Devil Makes Woman Kill and Skin Infant Son

[BillBrown]

Here's another Andrea Yates disciple. There have been a number of these Devil instigated child murders, in Texas, since Yates got her hand slapped instead of the needle. Yates showed these women how to kill their kids and avoid the death penalty.



3½-week-old boy stabbed to death


San Antonio police investigate a North Side home where a nearly 4-week-old infant was fatally stabbed.

In what police described as one of the most gruesome crimes against a child in recent memory, a newborn boy was stabbed, decapitated and mutilated early Sunday.

His 33-year-old mother claimed responsibility, police said.

Otty Sanchez told police that she was “hearing voices” and that the devil made her kill Scott Wesley Buchholtz Sanchez, whom she gave birth to June 30, San Antonio police spokesman Joe Rios said.

Sanchez used a steak knife to repeatedly stab the 3½ -week-old baby, then decapitate and mutilate him, Rios said. A police source said the baby was skinned and gutted.


MORE
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/2-week-old_baby_stabbed_to_death.html

[CountryGirl]

You know, I could have gone the rest of my life without reading this.

Yates disciple? I can't say. Insane? Definitely.

[LouC]

Scott Wesley Buchholtz Sanchez?

According to police, Sanchez lives in the home with her sister and the sister's two children, and Sanchez's mother stays in a small, separate structure behind the house.

There is way more to this story... :eek:

Poor child.

[troy]

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out or understand why insanity or extreme mental illness is an acceptable reason to not execute someone when they have committed an atrocity like this. What value do they have to the human race and why would we ever let them out if we didn't execute them.

[BillBrown]

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out or understand why insanity or extreme mental illness is an acceptable reason to not execute someone when they have committed an atrocity like this. What value do they have to the human race and why would we ever let them out if we didn't execute them.

I agree. There was another woman who cut off her baby's arms, at the shoulders, with a butcher knife and got away with it. The Devil had instructed her to do it, also.

Andrea Yates ran seminars on how to do this while she was in the pen.
This woman may well have been one of her students, or she could be acquainted with one of Yates' students.

[sgdp]

I just watched a documentary last night about this woman who killed 8 of her babies.

Smothered them for attention or something. :eek: People are sick!

[notluzn]

1 bullet and one in the head. save the planet

[Thank you Troops]

Remove God from society and look who is waiting to come in.

[super cool ski instructor]

1 bullet and one in the head. save the planet

Exactly!

I am really sorry I read about this... that child is now with God and not his psycho mother.

[King Cantona]

Andrea Yates is the woman who drowned her kids in Houston?......

An otherwise good mother suddenly flips and kills her kids.....

That's the very definition of mental illness surely?..........

[MrShotShot]

Twelve foot tree.

Five or so foot rope.

problem solved.

[brouski]

You talk as though this woman is some sort of evil genius.

[BillBrown]

You talk as though this woman is some sort of evil genius.

Yates is evil. I don't think anyone will dispute that.
In Texas, anyone who is able to kill 5 small children and escape the death penalty, is a criminal mastermind. Yates even got herself out of prison.

The Yates strategy has become the model for Texas women who want to kill their children.

1. Do it in a particularly odious fashion.
2. Claim to be working under the Devil's instructions.


NOTE- This does not work for men- only women.

[Sinister Rouge]

Remove God from society and look who is waiting to come in.


Yes, clearly this is because we say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas."
:rolleyes:


It has to do with the fact that we as a society can't bear to believe that women who do this are evil, so we call them insane. There is post-partum depression, and it's a legitimate medical issue that people need to be made aware of, but it normally doesn't lead to this kind of barbarism. God, the Devil, or the Great Pumpkin don't have a dog in this fight. This is about the judicial system letting evil people off the hook.

[Sinister Rouge]

SHOCKING UPDATE on this story as of 7/27/09:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU0S01&show_article=1

Unbelievably disgusting!


Oh my god.

That might be the most disturbing thing I've ever read.

[Angra Mainyu]

Remove God from society and look who is waiting to come in.
God is an anti-psychotic pill?

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

SHOCKING UPDATE on this story as of 7/27/09:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU0S01&show_article=1

Unbelievably disgusting!

Bills Op story link was bad enough..but this? Dear Heaven and Earth! This goes beyond any 'mental illness' claim that Yates used. This woman in this story had/has no history of postpartum depression..much less any history of psychotic breaks with reality..there is no pre-cursor event before killing and eating her child! That's a whole new kettle of fish in my book. :think:

Bullet, 12 foot tree, a steak knife maybe? Use whatever..but put it down like a rabid dog. :evil:

This is so gross, I can barely keep my coffee down..:sick::sick:...My God..what's gotten into some of these people? What's so damn hard or bad about being a parent that these whack jobs feel they have to do this type of thing? King Salomon's law needs to be applied here...eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth...you get the idea.

Let her fry....one less loon in the world that could infect the others around her. And by infect I mean rationalize out her behavior...'why' she did it...and why it's not her fault. Gonna make me hurl to see the circus drum up, or try to drum up sympathy for an obviously unsympathetic perp.

~Mysty

[Buffalo]

That's not the devil, that's sheer insanity. Holy crap. How terrible.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

God is an anti-psychotic pill?

No...He's not.

You miss the greater point. "IF" she was psychotic...she'd have a history yes? Psychotic's don't know any better then to hide from the populace..go through a 9 month pregnancy...just so they can lay in wait to kill it. This woman is anything but psychotic as a natural disease. Drugs...yeah..I'd buy that. Bad trip on some bad stuff...made her loose it. Sobered up and realized she's killed her kid..and all she could claim was 'the devil made me do it'. yeah..ok...whatever.

So turn it around..if God is supposedly by your statement a anti-psychotic..then the devil is proof of being psychotic? Odd logic don't ya think?

~Mysty

[Fitz]

No...He's not.

You miss the greater point. "IF" she was psychotic...she'd have a history yes? Psychotic's don't know any better then to hide from the populace..go through a 9 month pregnancy...just so they can lay in wait to kill it. This woman is anything but psychotic as a natural disease. Drugs...yeah..I'd buy that. Bad trip on some bad stuff...made her loose it. Sobered up and realized she's killed her kid..and all she could claim was 'the devil made me do it'. yeah..ok...whatever.

So turn it around..if God is supposedly by your statement a anti-psychotic..then the devil is proof of being psychotic? Odd logic don't ya think?

~Mysty
He's not missing the point.
Her having or not having a history of psychotic episodes is in no way related to the asinine statement he was replying to that this is somehow a result of god not being involved in society.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

He's not missing the point.
Her having or not having a history of psychotic episodes is in no way related to the asinine statement he was replying to that this is somehow a result of god not being involved in society.

yeah...he or she is missing the larger point..and obviously so are you. In reply to someone who states 'If we were a more God like or Christian nation, things like this wouldn't happen.' Now apply the statement...'God's an anti-psychotic?.' Now apply my post reply....see it now?

Regardless if we were a christian nation, muslim nation, buddist nation..whatever...one can't claim that religion can fix a true mental illness....especially psychotics....and then claim that a devil or 'the devil' is the cause for said mental illness. Cant have it both ways...see it now? Either one believes in the whole religious belief and scope of that religion which includes a two sides coin of good and evil..or one doesn't. This woman stating that the devil made her do it would imply indirectly that she believes in God..(doesn't even matter what flavor)...so obviously God isn't a anti-psychotic is He?

nice try though...always swing for the fence!

~Mysty

[super cool ski instructor]

Just this past Friday night I was holding my friend's baby. He was born 3 weeks ago. He was so tiny and so sweet. And he is a true blessing...he is our blessing.

And to think that someone can do something so utterly disgusting to an innocent child, probably the same size and with the same fragility as our little Kaden....it makes me sick. There is no punishment to severe.

[brouski]

No...He's not.

You miss the greater point. "IF" she was psychotic...she'd have a history yes? Psychotic's don't know any better then to hide from the populace..go through a 9 month pregnancy...just so they can lay in wait to kill it. This woman is anything but psychotic as a natural disease. Drugs...yeah..I'd buy that. Bad trip on some bad stuff...made her loose it. Sobered up and realized she's killed her kid..and all she could claim was 'the devil made me do it'. yeah..ok...whatever.

So turn it around..if God is supposedly by your statement a anti-psychotic..then the devil is proof of being psychotic? Odd logic don't ya think?

~Mysty

I'm guessing most psychotics didn't have much of a history before their first episode.

[Mimiheart]

No...He's not.

You miss the greater point. "IF" she was psychotic...she'd have a history yes? Psychotic's don't know any better then to hide from the populace..go through a 9 month pregnancy...just so they can lay in wait to kill it. This woman is anything but psychotic as a natural disease. Drugs...yeah..I'd buy that. Bad trip on some bad stuff...made her loose it. Sobered up and realized she's killed her kid..and all she could claim was 'the devil made me do it'. yeah..ok...whatever.

So turn it around..if God is supposedly by your statement a anti-psychotic..then the devil is proof of being psychotic? Odd logic don't ya think?

~Mysty
Postpartum psychosis is rare, but it does exist. This sounds almost textbook.

[BillBrown]

Postpartum psychosis is rare, but it does exist. This sounds almost textbook.

How's that?

[ExDem]

She could have legally done this 3.5 weeks ago.

[LouC]

Otty needs to be put down, I am against the death penalty but that isn't what I am advocating, she needs to be put down.

I am advocating the most kind and considerate thing we could do in this situation and the best thing for all of society as well.

[BillBrown]

Otty needs to be put down, I am against the death penalty but that isn't what I am advocating, she needs to be put down.

I am advocating the most kind and considerate thing we could do in this situation and the best thing for all of society as well.

That's not what will happen to her.
She'll be put into a hospital with free food, medical care and all the TV she can watch + Bingo three nights a week.

[LouC]

She could have legally done this 3.5 weeks ago.

Only the killing, not the rest.

It wouldn't have been her doing the killing 3.5 weeks ago either, that is the first lie of abortion.

I haven't met a woman yet that actually performed her own abortion.

[LouC]

That's not what will happen to her.
She'll be put into a hospital with free food, medical care and all the TV she can watch.

Yes I know.

I do not believe that is the humane thing to do for her.

I believe putting her down is.

[Mimiheart]

How's that?It usually affects women between two and four weeks after birth. One of the defining characterizations is hallucinations, often of G-d or another being telling the mother to harm themselves or the baby. It's not as common as postpartum depression, only affecting one in about 1000 births, but the mother doesn't have to have had any history of mental illness or drug use to have it.

[BillBrown]

It usually affects women between two and four weeks after birth. One of the defining characterizations is hallucinations, often of G-d or another being telling the mother to harm themselves or the baby. It's not as common as postpartum depression, only affecting one in about 1000 births, but the mother doesn't have to have had any history of mental illness or drug use to have it.

How can you distinguish between this and a woman feigning mental illness to beat the rap?

[Thank you Troops]

Just think, a few short weeks earlier and she would have been heralded as an example of a woman's right to choose.

[Mimiheart]

How can you distinguish between this and a woman feigning mental illness to beat the rap?
You'd have to be a psychiatrist actually examining her.

[Fitz]

How can you distinguish between this and a woman feigning mental illness to beat the rap?
What would she have to gain by pretending to be ******* insane, butchering and cannibalizing her kid then stabbing herself, versus say putting it up for adoption?

[BillBrown]

What would she have to gain by pretending to be ******* insane, butchering and cannibalizing her kid then stabbing herself, versus say putting it up for adoption?

A free living for the rest of her life. No bills to pay. No job. All the TV she can watch and BINGO three nights a week. The crazy act avoids the death penalty. It keeps her out of prison and puts her in a hospital environment.
Is that enough?

[Mimiheart]

A free living for the rest of her life. No bills to pay. No job. All the TV she can watch and BINGO three nights a week. The crazy act avoids the death penalty. It keeps her out of prison and puts her in a hospital environment.
Is that enough?Mental hospitals aren't really all fun and games. Quite frankly, if it is a form of psychosis, after she's recovered, living with the fact that she's killed her kid in such a heinous way will be far worse than being killed.

[Fitz]

A free living for the rest of her life. No bills to pay. No job. All the TV she can watch and BINGO three nights a week. The crazy act avoids the death penalty. It keeps her out of prison and puts her in a hospital environment.
Is that enough?
Gotcha, wasn't thinking about that angle

[Hadassah]

Yates is evil. I don't think anyone will dispute that.
In Texas, anyone who is able to kill 5 small children and escape the death penalty, is a criminal mastermind. Yates even got herself out of prison.

The Yates strategy has become the model for Texas women who want to kill their children.

1. Do it in a particularly odious fashion.
2. Claim to be working under the Devil's instructions.


NOTE- This does not work for men- only women.


There are plenty of people who dispute that Andrea Yates is evil. She's horribly ill, and has been for years, even before killing her children.

[Hadassah]

Bills Op story link was bad enough..but this? Dear Heaven and Earth! This goes beyond any 'mental illness' claim that Yates used. This woman in this story had/has no history of postpartum depression..much less any history of psychotic breaks with reality..there is no pre-cursor event before killing and eating her child! That's a whole new kettle of fish in my book. :think:

Bullet, 12 foot tree, a steak knife maybe? Use whatever..but put it down like a rabid dog. :evil:

This is so gross, I can barely keep my coffee down..:sick::sick:...My God..what's gotten into some of these people? What's so damn hard or bad about being a parent that these whack jobs feel they have to do this type of thing? King Salomon's law needs to be applied here...eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth...you get the idea.

Let her fry....one less loon in the world that could infect the others around her. And by infect I mean rationalize out her behavior...'why' she did it...and why it's not her fault. Gonna make me hurl to see the circus drum up, or try to drum up sympathy for an obviously unsympathetic perp.

~Mysty

According to what I read today, the mother did have a history of mental illness.

[Hadassah]

Mental hospitals aren't really all fun and games. Quite frankly, if it is a form of psychosis, after she's recovered, living with the fact that she's killed her kid in such a heinous way will be far worse than being killed.

Yeah, it'll be a real party for her.


She'll take her meds, start getting better, remember what she did, and spiral down again. What a horrible life.

[BillBrown]

Yeah, it'll be a real party for her.


She'll take her meds, start getting better, remember what she did, and spiral down again. What a horrible life.

You're assuming the woman is really nuts.
Its entirely possible she's not and has been influenced by Yates' teachings.

[sgdp]

You're assuming the woman is really nuts.
Its entirely possible she's not and has been influenced by Yates' teachings.

I wasn't aware sane people killed and ate their babies.

I mean, mice do. But...

[BillBrown]

I wasn't aware sane people killed and ate their babies.

I mean, mice do. But...

Stop and think a minute.
How do they know she ate parts of the baby?
Do you think they pumped her stomach?
I don't think they did. I think they're relying on what she told them.

[Gabby]

This woman is obviously deranged... she not only did horrible things to her baby, but she stabbed herself several times.

I don't know about the devil telling her to do anything.. by her own mind is apparently the personification of hell.

[sgdp]

Stop and think a minute.
How do they know she ate parts of the baby?
Do you think they pumped her stomach?
I don't think they did. I think they're relying on what she told them.

That is a good point, but she still killed her own child and then stabbed herself. I'm not sure she's all "there."

[BillBrown]

That is a good point, but she still killed her own child and then stabbed herself. I'm not sure she's all "there."

A criminal act- even a heinous one- does not necessarily mean that the perpetrator is insane. That is a misconception.
Very rarely does a defense of criminal insanity succeed, in court.

[sgdp]

A criminal act- even a heinous one- does not necessarily mean that the perpetrator is insane. That is a misconception.
Very rarely does a defense of criminal insanity succeed, in court.

I think "criminally insane" is a bit different than just plain ol' insane. To me, she plainly needs some psychiatric intervention.

[Hadassah]

You're assuming the woman is really nuts.
Its entirely possible she's not and has been influenced by Yates' teachings.

Yates's teachings?!?! The woman is psychotic! She is in a living hell! The prosecutors, the jury, the psychiatrists, the judge, the police.....they ALL knew she was severely mentally ill.

[BillBrown]

Yates's teachings?!?! The woman is psychotic! She is in a living hell! The prosecutors, the jury, the psychiatrists, the judge, the police.....they ALL knew she was severely mentally ill.

That's simply not true.


In 2002 a jury rejected Yates' insanity defense. She was sentenced to 40 years in prison.


She was given a new trial (on a technicality) and was judged criminally insane in 2006.

In neither trial is it accurate to say that the jury, judge, police, prosecutors and psychiatrists all thought she was insane. It didn't happen.

Sworn testimony was introduced, in her second trial, that Yates had conducted seminars, for other prison inmates, on how to fake mental illness.

No one who defends Yates has lost a child to that hideous hag.

[Mimiheart]

That's simply not true.


In 2002 a jury rejected Yates' insanity defense. She was sentenced to 40 years in prison.


She was given a new trial (on a technicality) and was judged criminally insane in 2006.

In neither trial is it accurate to say that the jury, judge, police, prosecutors and psychiatrists all thought she was insane. It didn't happen.

Sworn testimony was introduced, in her second trial, that Yates had conducted seminars, for other prison inmates, on how to fake mental illness.

No one who defends Yates has lost a child to that hideous hag.
I don't see why you think that's the case here, though.

[MarkieMarie]

This isn't hard to believe ! The Culture of death in The USA that champions a woman's right to dismember her baby at any gestational age gets the results later still. Why all the Shock and Horror in these posts? These things happen everyday in the government sanctioned genocide that dismembers thousands of babies on a daily basis.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

History of 'mental illness' or not; in Ptsd or not; does not make this (so called) woman any more or less sympathetic to a jury then Yates was. As Bill has pointed out..Yates got what she deserved in her original sentence..(personally, I think she should have gotten the death penalty..but I digress).but by some technicality was able to get a re-trial and let off the hook. Yates 'had' a diagnosed and medicated condition prior to her killing her kids..and yet , still got pregnant..kid after kid. This woman? One pregnancy...no pre diagnosed medicated condition that would even come close to explaining her actions. Her claiming 'the devil made me do it' is no more compelling then the 'twinkie made me do it' or 'the dog told me to do it'. It's a fine logic to think someone is simply nuts...hell, you'd have to be to do what this woman did...it becomes the difference between a death penalty case or a life in prison/mental facility case. There's no getting off for this woman..or there shouldn't be.

And if (very big if here) this woman, was pre-diagnosed with a mental illness and taking meds...then she had no business getting pregnant in the first damn place..much less being allowed to keep the child if that mental illness could be seen as a harm to herself or others. We can't have this story both ways guys. Either she was perfectly normal and everyone around her thought she was fine, allowing her to be alone with a new born...or...she was a nut bag who fell into a moment of psychosis and ate her kid out of no where with no precursor behavior.

My opinion..., the family is covering...'odd behavior' is being reported by neighbors..so the family knew she was a bit off...right? THEY (her family/mother/sister/baby daddy) did nothing about it..and are just as culpable in my opinion for leaving that poor child with a deranged mother.

Either way the chits fall on this one, she needs to be locked up for not only society sake, but her own safety as well...keeping her from getting pregnant again and possibly having another psychotic break..right? If she's just 'playing psychotic...then let her fry...pure an simple.

~Mysty

[Hadassah]

That's simply not true.


In 2002 a jury rejected Yates' insanity defense. She was sentenced to 40 years in prison.


She was given a new trial (on a technicality) and was judged criminally insane in 2006.

In neither trial is it accurate to say that the jury, judge, police, prosecutors and psychiatrists all thought she was insane. It didn't happen.

Sworn testimony was introduced, in her second trial, that Yates had conducted seminars, for other prison inmates, on how to fake mental illness.

No one who defends Yates has lost a child to that hideous hag.


OK, that is completely different than what I read after her second trial. Care to give me your source(s)? I'm going to go and do some more research on it as well. But before I do, I want to make a couple points.

#1 Sworn testimony does not make said testimony true.

#2 I'm not defending her, but rather looking at the circumstances. If Andrea were sane and did this, I'd be one of the first to condemn her.

[ExDem]

Only the killing, not the rest.

It wouldn't have been her doing the killing 3.5 weeks ago either, that is the first lie of abortion.

I haven't met a woman yet that actually performed her own abortion.

It still would have been legal. If you can throw the aborted baby in a dumpster, or just leave to alone to suffer until it is dead, why can't the mother eat it??? What is the difference? What would one be arrested on if she ate part of her aborted fetus? NOTHING. Remember, it isn't a baby if it isn't wanted.

[Pudge]

Remove God from society and look who is waiting to come in.

:rolleyes:

Yes. That MUST be it.

:rolleyes:

Couldn't be that this woman was severely mentally ill, right? No, has to be that people aren't being forced as much to pray to your deity.

:rolleyes:

It's even more absurd when you use God in this fashion- what kind of loving, caring God would allow an innocent baby to be killed, skinned, and dismembered? You want to play the God Card answer that. Where was God when this woman took a knife in her hand and held it over her infant son? If your God won't protect the innocent how can you believe he saves the guilty who are penitent?

Edit: I'm not excusing this woman, mentally ill or not, what she did should earn her a seat in the gas chamber.

[Asfc1967]

Remove God from society and look who is waiting to come in.


No worship a fictitious being, and look what is waiting to come. Use common sense, and things will be ok.

[Hadassah]

OK, that is completely different than what I read after her second trial. Care to give me your source(s)? I'm going to go and do some more research on it as well. But before I do, I want to make a couple points.

#1 Sworn testimony does not make said testimony true.

#2 I'm not defending her, but rather looking at the circumstances. If Andrea were sane and did this, I'd be one of the first to condemn her.

Still waiting for you to provide your sources.

[BillBrown]

Still waiting for you to provide your sources.


You made the claim that everyone- judges, prosecutors, police, jurors and psychiatrists thought Yates was insane.

I said that wasn't true.
Your claim was too ridiculous to reply to any other way.


Both trials were dedicated to whether Yates was legally sane or not.

Prosecutors, state psychiatrists and the jury, in the first trial, thought she was legally sane.

The same was true in the second trial except for the jury.



This is so elementary, that sources are not needed. It's basic stuff. This is what the trials were all about- Yates legal sanity. That there were people on both sides of the issue is self-evident.



As to the seminars Yates conducted in the pen, there were two women who attested to this. I found a reference to one of them. There was another one,who said the same thing I kept up with this hag's trial and I remember it.


Inmate Says Andrea Yates Said To Copy Her
HOUSTON (AP) ―


Andrea Yates once advised a fellow inmate that she could escape prosecution by pretending to be mentally ill and persuading a psychiatrist she suffered from serious disorders, according to court documents filed Thursday by prosecutors.

Felicia Doe, who spent four days in a jail block with Yates in 2002, told prosecutors last year that Yates instructed her not to eat, not to speak properly and not to be friendly or open in front of people if she wanted to "beat her case."

Yates, who is awaiting a new trial in the drowning of her young children, allegedly told Doe that if she could get the jail psychiatrist on her side, they could testify to her mental health, and they couldn't prosecute her if she was sick, according to the documents, which describe interviews with witnesses who could be called during Yates' trial...



http://cbs5.com/national/Andrea.Yates.Felicia.2.264214.html

[hillplus]

There are plenty of people who dispute that Andrea Yates is evil. She's horribly ill, and has been for years, even before killing her children.

+1

I have great compassion for her. If anyone is to blame, her husband is.

[BillBrown]

+1

I have great compassion for her. If anyone is to blame, her husband is.

I certainly don't have compassion for her. I recognize her as a criminal genius. Before her case I would have bet money that it was impossible to murder five kids and escape the death house- in Texas of all places.

Yates pulled that off.
Even her imitators, like Sanchez with her cannibal inovation , have limited themselves to only one kid.
They are no match for Yates.