Toddler Shot in Head at Ind. Wedding Reception

[jimjames418]

I don't care if he is only 18, this scum bag needs a needle in his arm.

LINK (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=8177760)
Police say an 18-month-old girl was shot in the head when a man opened fire at a wedding reception in Indiana after scuffling with other guests.

Lawrence police detective Gary Woodruff said the child, Yuridia Sosa, was in critical condition at Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis after surgery Sunday. Her mother, Mariela Rodriguez, and another woman were shot in the legs, but were expected to recover.
At least two shots were fired around 10 p.m. Saturday after three brothers fought with other wedding guests at a reception hall in Lawrence, a community within Indianapolis.

Officers arrested 21-year-old Francisco Ponce on a preliminary charge of attempted murder. His two brothers face lesser charges.

It's unclear whether the three men knew the bride and groom.

[Sinister Rouge]

Who brings a gun to a wedding?

[FidelisAdMortem]

Sounds like the mexicans cant handle their alcohol.

[Talk2Bill]

Who brings a gun to a wedding?

my father in law!?

[HSMaxim]

No doubt just more inner city gang violence coming out of another of our bastions of liberal ideals.

Free up jail space, bring back the chair.

[troy]

That gun should be in jail.

[gdoane]

Seems to me that Barney Fife here couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside of it.

Marksmanship is an art form and this clown had none. He used a gun like handing an illiterate a pen.

[Samm]

Who brings a gun to a wedding?

Many a father of the bride... ;)

[AKRoscoe0137]

Many a father of the bride... ;)

My father-in-law did.

[Samm]

My father-in-law did.

:)) And it looks like he is serious. ;)


Good thing it was a back yard wedding... formal weddings require pink shotguns.

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/pink_remnigton_shotgun.jpg

[Rep from Jefferson State]

HAHAHAHA gotcha
Wonder how many of these fine upstanding citizens voted Demo?

[Panhead0422]

:)) and it looks like he is serious. ;)


good thing it was a back yard wedding... Formal weddings require pink shotguns.

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/pink_remnigton_shotgun.jpgrofl
lmao

[Panhead0422]

Sounds like the mexicans cant handle their alcohol.

You are probably right, IF they had had a drink in each hand, nobody would have been shooting.

:whistle: :mrgreen:

[King Cantona]

No doubt just more inner city gang violence coming out of another of our bastions of liberal ideals.

Free up jail space, bring back the chair.

Yawn!!!!!!

Lest you forget, conservatives are the ones all in favour of people having guns.....

Inner city violence is because of 'liberal ideals'?.....

:)) You crack me up, are you a stand up comedian? Because if you're not, you're a loss to the profession....

[gdoane]

Yawn!!!!!!

Lest you forget, conservatives are the ones all in favour of people having guns.....

Inner city violence is because of 'liberal ideals'?.....

:)) You crack me up, are you a stand up comedian? Because if you're not, you're a loss to the profession....

The reason that only the bad guys have guns is because the liberal ideal is that law-abiding people should be disarmed. These bad guys shot three unarmed people. Ever hear much about armed people getting shot?

It's this simple: When good guys have the guns, bad guys get shot. When bad guys have the guns, good guys get shot. Conservatives choose the former, and liberals choose the latter.

Liberalism is the best thing to happen to bad guys since the invention of parole.

[King Cantona]

The reason that only the bad guys have guns is because the liberal ideal is that law-abiding people should be disarmed. These bad guys shot three unarmed people. Ever hear much about armed people getting shot?

I'm not sure what paper you read but I hear about armed people getting shot ALL the time, actually the 'liberal ideal' is that ALL people be disarmed, that wasn't even a very subtle attempt at spin there gdoane, I'm disappointed in you...

It's this simple: When good guys have the guns, bad guys get shot. When bad guys have the guns, good guys get shot. Conservatives choose the former, and liberals choose the latter.

Again with the spin, 'it's this simple', give over, nothing is as simple as conservatives try to paint it. In those scenarios you can't see one where EVERYONE gets shot? Seriously?....

Liberalism is the best thing to happen to bad guys since the invention of parole.

I realise that in your eyes prison is punishment and there should be no attempt at rehabilitation, just throw away the key and let them rot. Well luckily some of us are more progressive than others...

[MrShotShot]

I'm not sure what paper you read but I hear about armed people getting shot ALL the time, actually the 'liberal ideal' is that ALL people be disarmed, that wasn't even a very subtle attempt at spin there gdoane, I'm disappointed in you...



Again with the spin, 'it's this simple', give over, nothing is as simple as conservatives try to paint it. In those scenarios you can't see one where EVERYONE gets shot? Seriously?....



I realise that in your eyes prison is punishment and there should be no attempt at rehabilitation, just throw away the key and let them rot. Well luckily some of us are more progressive than others...

Sure, let's just ban guns and then folks will start hacking each other up with knives like they do in your neck of the woods.

I believe the talk in Parliment now is about banning kitchen knives and "club-like" weapons, right? Gonna make it hard to play cricket don't ya think?

[King Cantona]

Sure, let's just ban guns and then folks will start hacking each other up with knives like they do in your neck of the woods.

I believe the talk in Parliment now is about banning kitchen knives and "club-like" weapons, right? Gonna make it hard to play cricket don't ya think?

Say what you want about knife crime but I haven't heard of anyone being 'knifed' from more than two or three feet's distance and in the case outlined in this thread it shows how indisciminate guns are...

Of course knife crime needs to be stamped out and I'm fed up of hearing the right wing mantra, "guns don't kill people, people do" because I agree with Eddie Izzard's repost "so do monkeys if you give them enough guns"....

[snagswolf]

The reason that only the bad guys have guns is because the liberal ideal is that law-abiding people should be disarmed.

I'm not sure what paper you read but I hear about armed people getting shot ALL the time, actually the 'liberal ideal' is that ALL people be disarmed, that wasn't even a very subtle attempt at spin there gdoane, I'm disappointed in you...
Of course the 'liberal ideal' is that ALL people should be disarmed. We understand that.

However, the REALITY of the situation is, people who don't abide by the law aren't going to give up their guns, so the REALITY of the 'liberal ideal' is that you're only disarming law-abiding people.

And as usual, according to liberals, when reality and liberal ideals conflict, reality must be ignored.

[historynut]

Sure, let's just ban guns and then folks will start hacking each other up with knives like they do in your neck of the woods.

I believe the talk in Parliment now is about banning kitchen knives and "club-like" weapons, right? Gonna make it hard to play cricket don't ya think?

When I was a teenager the cops went after gang members with guns so most gang members carried knives. Had a lot less people getting hurt. Very hard to do a drive by with a knive, with a knife you have to walk up to the person to hurt them.

When you talk about banning guns you should remember that most of the people doing bad things with guns are banned from having guns because they are felons.

The areas with the largest amount of legal gun ownership also tend to have the lowest amount of crime.

[King Cantona]

And as usual, according to liberals, when reality and liberal ideals conflict, reality must be ignored.

Your reality may be ignored but REAL reality isn't ignored anymore than when conservative ideals conflict with reality...

There are a hell of a lot of countries in this world with worse murder rates than the US but in countries with gun control the murder rate is usually much lower, how do you reconcile that?....

[AutoRacer55]

my father in law!?

So THAT'S how they got the phrase shotgun wedding...

[DLaw911]

If the toddler had been packing she could have defended herself.

[snagswolf]

Your reality may be ignored but REAL reality isn't ignored anymore than when conservative ideals conflict with reality...

There are a hell of a lot of countries in this world with worse murder rates than the US but in countries with gun control the murder rate is usually much lower, how do you reconcile that?....
First of all, why did you chop off and ignore the part of my post where I made my argument? Have a bit of honesty please and rebut me with integrity.

As for the murder rate, yes freedom does have its costs. When you allow your citizens to have guns, there's going to be a certain percentage who abuse them. But we've decided in this country that our freedom is more important than complete safety, and our right to bear arms is not only one of our freedoms, but is essential in maintaining our other freedoms.

[King Cantona]

First of all, why did you chop off and ignore the part of my post where I made my argument? Have a bit of honesty please and rebut me with integrity.

I post ONLY the part of a post that I consider relevant, much the way that EVERY SINGLE poster on any message board does so I will let your inane post slide...

Don't question my integrity simply because I have a different worldview to you......

[trent89]

Your reality may be ignored but REAL reality isn't ignored anymore than when conservative ideals conflict with reality...

There are a hell of a lot of countries in this world with worse murder rates than the US but in countries with gun control the murder rate is usually much lower, how do you reconcile that?....


When I was a little kid everyone had a shotgun by the backdoor and you could go to any parking lot and find pickup trucks with gun racks in the back window usually with guns in them. Yet back then there was far less shootings, (no drive by's) and not many gun control laws.

How do you reconcile that ?

[historynut]

Your reality may be ignored but REAL reality isn't ignored anymore than when conservative ideals conflict with reality...

There are a hell of a lot of countries in this world with worse murder rates than the US but in countries with gun control the murder rate is usually much lower, how do you reconcile that?....

You mean like Switzerland where the murder rate is lower, sorry my mistake in Switzerland most house's have guns because most people are in the army.

I know you can't be talking about England because every time they make gun control
stronger there murder rate goes up.

In US but in the states with the weakest gun control laws the murder rate is usually lower, while in the states with the strongest gun control laws the murder rate is usually higher.

[King Cantona]

You mean like Switzerland where the murder rate is lower, sorry my mistake in Switzerland most house's have guns because most people are in the army.

I know you can't be talking about England because every time they make gun control
stronger there murder rate goes up.

In US but in the states with the weakest gun control laws the murder rate is usually lower, while in the states with the strongest gun control laws the murder rate is usually higher.

And yet in Canada much less murder with similar gun laws.....

[King Cantona]

When I was a little kid everyone had a shotgun by the backdoor and you could go to any parking lot and find pickup trucks with gun racks in the back window usually with guns in them. Yet back then there was far less shootings, (no drive by's) and not many gun control laws.

How do you reconcile that ?

Good question, times have changed and not for the better......

[snagswolf]

I post ONLY the part of a post that I consider relevant, much the way that EVERY SINGLE poster on any message board does so I will let your inane post slide...

Don't question my integrity simply because I have a different worldview to you......
So wait, you don't consider my argument, which I posted to rebut your claims, to be 'relevant'?

Wow. Just call it irrelevant and then ignore it?

And you're claiming to have integrity?

Now THAT'S funny.

And I'm not questioning your integrity because of your 'world view'. I'm questioning it because you refuse to participate in honest debate.

[Angra Mainyu]

You mean like Switzerland where the murder rate is lower, sorry my mistake in Switzerland most house's have guns because most people are in the army.

They have to keep their rifles locked up at all times with trigger guards and a whole other ton of rules for keeping their firearms. It's not as deregulated as you think.

[trent89]

Good question, times have changed and not for the better......

I think it proves the point that more laws and regulation really isn't the solution.

So what is the solution ? I don't have the answer to that, I don't think it is black and white like everyone wants to argue. Banning all weapons, won't fix the problem, putting an assualt rifle in every home won't solve the problem either.

I had a dilemma myself after having children, what to do about the guns which are laying around the house, which when growing up wasn't a problem. Times have changed so what is the answer ? I decided right or wrong, to show my son the guns, take him shooting, explain to him what guns can do and how to use them. I told him were they were and anytime he wanted to go target shooting to let me know. I explained to him never to take them to school or play around with them due to the danger. I think a lot of the problem is that everyone wants to lock up the guns and not tell the kids anything about them. So kids being curious, find something hidden away are going to find something hidden away and start screwing around with them, usually with tragic results. I did keep them out of reach during the toddler years of course. I think education is the best way to go in this situation. Many others have followed my advice without problems other. It would also depend on how responsible you feel your kids are also. A little bit of common sense seems to work.

[sgtmac_46]

Who brings a gun to a wedding?

Gang members?

[sgtmac_46]

Yawn!!!!!!

Lest you forget, conservatives are the ones all in favour of people having guns.....

Inner city violence is because of 'liberal ideals'?.....

:)) You crack me up, are you a stand up comedian? Because if you're not, you're a loss to the profession....

Conservatives are in favor of gang members having guns? Find a post that backs that one up, skippy. ;)

Conservatives are in favor of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS having guns.......and the kind of gang member skum who shoots up a wedding being HANGED! You crack ME up. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

I realise that in your eyes prison is punishment and there should be no attempt at rehabilitation, just throw away the key and let them rot. Well luckily some of us are more progressive than others... I wouldn't call stupid ideas 'progressive'..........but as for rehabilitation, the fact that most of our street gangs STARTED in prison kind of refutes the notion of rehabilitation. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

Your reality may be ignored but REAL reality isn't ignored anymore than when conservative ideals conflict with reality...

There are a hell of a lot of countries in this world with worse murder rates than the US but in countries with gun control the murder rate is usually much lower, how do you reconcile that?....

Actually the murder rate in the US is only higher than those in Europe based on the VERY inconvenient fact that over half of all murders in the US are committed by African Americans........AMERICA in general doesn't have a 'Gun violence' problem......we have an AFRICAN AMERICAN violence problem.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in any given year, african americans account for between 52% and 54% of the TOTAL murder rate, while being 13% of the population.

In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm



Outside of areas that are prominently African American we see MURDER RATES as low or lower than anywhere in the Eurotrash paradise.....folks can spare me the allegations of 'racist facts'.......those are HARD STATISTICS, not opinions.....deal with it.



The FACTS are that the homicide rate in the US does NOT REMOTELY correlate with legal firearm ownership rates.......the strongest correlation to homicide in the US is RACE! In fact LEGAL firearm ownership rates are INVERSELY proportional in the US to homicide rates........with the highest rates of LEGAL firearm ownership rates being in communities with the LOWEST homicide rates.

Now, I know, I know.......you'll attempt to spin this issue by making some reference to poverty, blah, blah, blah......but the POINT is that whatever the reason for the hugely disparate homicide rates......LEGAL FIREARMS ownership is not correlated with it......RACE is, regardless of the reason, be it poverty or some sort of other social phenomenon......it is not firearm ownership that has any sort of causal relationship to homicide rates.

Now how do you reconcile THAT skippy? ;)

[King Cantona]

The FACTS are that the homicide rate in the US does NOT REMOTELY correlate with legal firearm ownership rates.......the strongest correlation to homicide in the US is RACE! In fact LEGAL firearm ownership rates are INVERSELY proportional in the US to homicide rates........with the highest rates of LEGAL firearm ownership rates being in communities with the LOWEST homicide rates.

Now, I know, I know.......you'll attempt to spin this issue by making some reference to poverty, blah, blah, blah......but the POINT is that whatever the reason for the hugely disparate homicide rates......LEGAL FIREARMS ownership is not correlated with it......RACE is, regardless of the reason, be it poverty or some sort of other social phenomenon......it is not firearm ownership that has any sort of causal relationship to homicide rates.

Now how do you reconcile THAT skippy? ;)

I reconcile it as a direct result of the social inequality in the US, there skippy, is that a short enough answer for you?...

And your Eurotrash reference gives me the impression that you have no immediate plans to visit Europe, if so can I breathe a collective sigh of relief on behalf of all Europeans....:cool:...

[King Cantona]

I wouldn't call stupid ideas 'progressive'..........but as for rehabilitation, the fact that most of our street gangs STARTED in prison kind of refutes the notion of rehabilitation. ;)

Well it kinda refutes the notion that you know how to run your prisons.....;).....

[King Cantona]

Conservatives are in favor of gang members having guns? Find a post that backs that one up, skippy. ;)

I'll show you a post saying that you're in favour of gang members having guns when you show me where I said I was in favour of it...;)...

Conservatives are in favor of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS having guns.......and the kind of gang member skum who shoots up a wedding being HANGED! You crack ME up. ;)

Well personally I'm in favour of no one having guns but whatever floats your boat and also I'm not in favour of the death penalty but we're different but I'm right and you're wrong...;)...

[sgtmac_46]

Well personally I'm in favour of no one having guns but whatever floats your boat and also I'm not in favour of the death penalty but we're different but I'm right and you're wrong...;)...
You're not right.....but you may be delusional. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

Well it kinda refutes the notion that you know how to run your prisons.....;).....

And you know what about running prisons? Seems every measure of crime in the UK is equal to or greater than the US except the homicide rate, and we've established that rate doesn't correlate to firearms ownership.

[Samm]

Say what you want about knife crime but I haven't heard of anyone being 'knifed' from more than two or three feet's distance and in the case outlined in this thread it shows how indisciminate guns are...

Of course knife crime needs to be stamped out and I'm fed up of hearing the right wing mantra, "guns don't kill people, people do" because I agree with Eddie Izzard's repost "so do monkeys if you give them enough guns"....

Is that why is England outlawing unregistered knives? :rolleyes:

[sgtmac_46]

I reconcile it as a direct result of the social inequality in the US, there skippy, is that a short enough answer for you?... You can make whatever excuse you want, but the FACT is that it refutes your idiotic 'Guns causes violence' theory......as the HIGHEST legal gun ownership rates in the US correlate to EQUAL and LOWER homicide rates than in Europe.

As for 'Social Inequality', you may be referring to wealth inequality and poverty......and i've got plenty of evidence to slap THAT little canard out of the ball park as well, and illustrate that poverty does not directly correlate with high homicide rates.

As for short answers.......if that's all your capable of, I guess I really can't expect any more of you. ;)
And your Eurotrash reference gives me the impression that you have no immediate plans to visit Europe, if so can I breathe a collective sigh of relief on behalf of all Europeans....:cool:... So long as you and your fellow Europeans aren't breathing that sigh of relief directly in my face we'll both be happy......socialized dentistry is a mother! :))

[sgtmac_46]

Is that why is England outlawing unregistered knives? :rolleyes:

Just when the Eurotrash think they have that violence problem legislated away......:))

[sgtmac_46]

O.B.A.M.A

Obviously Brave And Much Appreciated

Overcame Bias And Mad ********

Sounds like a bumper sticker.....which likely makes it the best argument you're capable of.

It does, however, far surpass your cultural PTSD argument, intellectually speaking.

[Samm]

I reconcile it as a direct result of the social inequality in the US, there skippy, is that a short enough answer for you?...

And your Eurotrash reference gives me the impression that you have no immediate plans to visit Europe, if so can I breathe a collective sigh of relief on behalf of all Europeans....:cool:...

Social inequity? What the **** are you talking about? Are you insinuating that blacks in America are so underprivileged in society that it is expected and ok that they commit 7 times more murders per capita than their socially privileged white neighbors? :eh:

That is as about the dumbest thing I have seen in this discussion since the OP was posted.

[King Cantona]

Social inequity? What the **** are you talking about? Are you insinuating that blacks in America are so underprivileged in society that it is expected and ok that they commit 7 times more murders per capita than their socially privileged white neighbors? :eh:

That is as about the dumbest thing I have seen in this discussion since the OP was posted.

I have in the past posted dumb statements, of course everything you post is very intellectual and factual with no right wing bias...:rolleyes:...

But that post wasn't in the least bit 'dumb', why do you righties always put words in my mouth? Of course I'm not insinuating that it is expected or ok that black people commit 7 times more murders than whites...

But you live in a country where racial inequality is there for everyone (except righties) to see, no matter how hard you try to promote yourself as a country where everyone is equal we all know they're not, or not yet...

Or are you making the racist statement that black people are just prone to being law breaking killers? Which is it to be then?...

[Epic_Dude]

That gun should be in jail.


The bullets did the killing, though in my state, Accessory gets the full sentence, so...Yes. Lock that gun up!

[King Cantona]

And you know what about running prisons? Seems every measure of crime in the UK is equal to or greater than the US except the homicide rate, and we've established that rate doesn't correlate to firearms ownership.

Correction......

YOU'VE established something that obviously strikes a chord with you, even that hasn't been established to me, please feel free to attempt to do so...

[King Cantona]

Is that why is England outlawing unregistered knives? :rolleyes:

Are they really, thank you for clearing that up.......:cool:.......

[King Cantona]

You can make whatever excuse you want, but the FACT is that it refutes your idiotic 'Guns causes violence' theory......as the HIGHEST legal gun ownership rates in the US correlate to EQUAL and LOWER homicide rates than in Europe.

Really....

I doubt that very much but you're just another rightie blowing hot air without any facts to back you up...

"The HIGHEST legal gun ownership rates in the US correlate to EQUAL and LOWER homicide rates than in Europe", this is a frankly preposterous claim...

[King Cantona]

And you know what about running prisons?

I know nothing about running prisons...

But it seems that maybe I know as much as your department of correction.....

[historynut]

They have to keep their rifles locked up at all times with trigger guards and a whole other ton of rules for keeping their firearms. It's not as deregulated as you think.

You mean there like the US where they have to keep their rifles locked up at all times with trigger guards and have a whole other ton of rules for keeping their firearms.

Maybe you should check the laws in the US.

[historynut]

I have in the past posted dumb statements, of course everything you post is very intellectual and factual with no right wing bias...:rolleyes:...

But that post wasn't in the least bit 'dumb', why do you righties always put words in my mouth? Of course I'm not insinuating that it is expected or ok that black people commit 7 times more murders than whites...

But you live in a country where racial inequality is there for everyone (except righties) to see, no matter how hard you try to promote yourself as a country where everyone is equal we all know they're not, or not yet...

Or are you making the racist statement that black people are just prone to being law breaking killers? Which is it to be then?...

I think he was pointing out the fact that blacks do the most murders.

[Samm]

I have in the past posted dumb statements, of course everything you post is very intellectual and factual with no right wing bias...:rolleyes:...

But that post wasn't in the least bit 'dumb', why do you righties always put words in my mouth? Of course I'm not insinuating that it is expected or ok that black people commit 7 times more murders than whites...

But you live in a country where racial inequality is there for everyone (except righties) to see, no matter how hard you try to promote yourself as a country where everyone is equal we all know they're not, or not yet...

Or are you making the racist statement that black people are just prone to being law breaking killers? Which is it to be then?...

You are right... there is social (racial was your original adjective to which I responded) injustice in this country. For instance, did you know that it is almost impossible for a lower middle class white kid to get into any prestigious private college? But regardless of that injustice, lower middle class kids do not commit a disproportionate amount of crimes let alone murders. Go figure... :rolleyes:

[Claymore]

Yawn!!!!!!

Lest you forget, conservatives are the ones all in favour of people having guns.....

Inner city violence is because of 'liberal ideals'?.....

:)) You crack me up, are you a stand up comedian? Because if you're not, you're a loss to the profession....

People that respect human life and know how to properly handle firearms are 1000% safer than ignorant, inconsiderate, inebreaited wannabe gangstas.

[Vaard]

People that respect human life and know how to properly handle firearms are 1000% safer than ignorant, inconsiderate, inebreaited wannabe gangstas.

but those ignorant, inconsiderate, inebreaited wannabe gangstas are still covered under the 2A, right?

[King Cantona]

You are right... there is social (racial was not your original adjective to which I responded) injustice in this country.

Social and NOT racial was the original adjective that I used....

[King Cantona]

People that respect human life and know how to properly handle firearms are 1000% safer than ignorant, inconsiderate, inebreaited wannabe gangstas.

Interesting statistic that you've plucked out of the air there Claymore...

[Samm]

Social and NOT racial was the original adjective that I used....

Yes... my fault... I did some editing before posting and neglected to delete the "not."

But you have made my point... you changed "social" to "racial" and the two are not interchangeable.

[King Cantona]

Yes... my fault... I did some editing before posting and neglected to delete the "not."

But you have made my point... you changed "social" to "racial" and the two are not interchangeable.

Hallelula.........

Something that we agree on........

Up to a point.......;)........