Is this an Islam thing, or a Liberia thing?...

[tha malcontent™]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/07/23/20090723abrk-phxsexassault23-ON.html

^The 8 Year Old Brought Shame on her Father for being Raped...

I Love Cultures that are Living in the 15th Century... In OUR Country...

:)

peace...

[Dual867PowerMac]

Notice how the religion of peace is not explicitly mentioned in the story?

In many parts of Africa, women often are blamed for being raped for “enticing” men or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

"Many parts of Africa."

Uh-huh... :rolleyes:

[JStasc08]

Well, the Liberians quoted in the article confirm that it's part of Liberian culture while Islam isn't even practiced by a plurality of the population there, so I'm inclined to believe it's a cultural thing.

[Vaard]

where does it say the family was muslim?

twice as many christians live in liberia than muslims........

[Buffalo]

I think Vaard provided data in another thread showing something like 9/10 women in Liberia have been sexually assaulted. Also, Christianity is the predominant religion there. I would not assume Christianity was the reason for the families actions towards this poor little girl. I'm going with, it's a region destroyed by poverty and civil war, resulting in some pretty ****ed up lives for many many people, especially women, and some ****ed up cultural attitudes.

[snagswolf]

It's looking more and more like it's a 'Liberia' thing. Hell, the country just got around to outlawing rape only 3 three years ago.

Here's a local news story on the event, which includes a video of interviews with several of the parents of those involved.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/crime/gang_rape_07_22_2009

They're all a bunch of ****ing morons, and should be gang deported.

[Vaard]

I think Vaard provided data in another thread showing something like 9/10 women in Liberia have been sexually assaulted. Also, Christianity is the predominant religion there. I would not assume Christianity was the reason for the families actions towards this poor little girl. I'm going with, it's a region destroyed by poverty and civil war, resulting in some pretty ****ed up lives for many many people, especially women, and some ****ed up cultural attitudes.

yes, 92% of the women interviewed in liberia have said they have had some sort of sexual violence acted on them.....


and it wasnt until decemeber of 2006 that rape was even made a crime in liberia... prior to that, only gang rapes were considered a criminal act.....


here is abreakdown of the religions of liberia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Liberia

It is estimated that as much as 40 percent of the population of Liberia practices either Christianity or Christianity combined with elements of traditional indigenous religious beliefs. [1] Approximately 40 percent exclusively practices traditional indigenous religious beliefs.[1] An estimated 20 percent of the population practices Islam.[1] A small percentage is Bahá'í, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, or atheist.[1]


here is the article i linked previously about rape in liberia.....

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=62311

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Well, the Liberians quoted in the article confirm that it's part of Liberian culture while Islam isn't even practiced by a plurality of the population there, so I'm inclined to believe it's a cultural thing.

Muslims are only 20% of the population in the entire country, so the chances are greater it's more of a cultural thing rather than religion-based. Vaard made some excellent points.

[tha malcontent™]

If only it was the Rape I was Questioning...

Try again.

:)

peace...

[Buffalo]

If only it was the Rape I was Questioning...

Try again.

:)

peace...
What are we supposed to try to do again? Reexamine it to ferret out the link to Islam? When it's been pointed out in the "failed" tries that the attitude of the parents is widespread in Liberia, where they are from, even though most of the population is not Islamic? What exactly are you getting at, starting the thread, getting some good responses then posting this cryptic message?

[tha malcontent™]

What are we supposed to try to do again? Reexamine it to ferret out the link to Islam? When it's been pointed out in the "failed" tries that the attitude of the parents is widespread in Liberia, where they are from, even though most of the population is not Islamic? What exactly are you getting at, starting the thread, getting some good responses then posting this cryptic message?

There has been NO Evidence that outside of Islam, an 8 Year Old Rape Victim is Normally Turned out by their Family...

Specifics and Distinctions...

And either way, Islam is NOT in Good Company when it is being Compared to Tribes that are not Far Removed from the Most Base Actions of this Species.

Those Tribes are Slighty FARTHER Behind the 15th Century Actions of Islam...

Islam SHOULD be above this kind of Barbaric, Animalistic Crap...

And if not, then like the Catholics... Reformation may be in Order.

:)

peace...

[BrittleBullet]

What are we supposed to try to do again? Reexamine it to ferret out the link to Islam? When it's been pointed out in the "failed" tries that the attitude of the parents is widespread in Liberia, where they are from, even though most of the population is not Islamic? What exactly are you getting at, starting the thread, getting some good responses then posting this cryptic message?

:popcorn:

[Buffalo]

There has been NO Evidence that outside of Islam, an 8 Year Old Rape Victim is Normally Turned out by their Family...

Specifics and Distinctions...

And either way, Islam is NOT in Good Company when it is being Compared to Tribes that are not Far Removed from the Most Base Actions of this Species.

Those Tribes are Slighty FARTHER Behind the 15th Century Actions of Islam...

Islam SHOULD be above this kind of Barbaric, Animalistic Crap...

And if not, then like the Catholics... Reformation may be in Order.

:)

peace...
Ignoring the situation in Liberia to make a point that Islam is the only draconian cultural influence left in the world? It's a ****ing rampant issue, regardless of religious background, and these immigrants have brought their attitudes here. Yes, some Islamic societies are ass backwards. Some blame the victim of rape. Got something other than conjecture and bias to show what happened here is Islamic based?

[notluzn]

It's not frownd upon in Islam.

[Buffalo]

Check out the history of Liberia sometime to see just how much **** this region has been through in the last thirty years. Check out Samuel Doe and Charles Taylor. Check out how absolutely ****ed the people over there have gotten it. Islam? Don't think that's the problem.

There's no excuse for how these parents seem to have responded to this.

[JStasc08]

There has been NO Evidence that outside of Islam, an 8 Year Old Rape Victim is Normally Turned out by their Family...

Specifics and Distinctions...

And either way, Islam is NOT in Good Company when it is being Compared to Tribes that are not Far Removed from the Most Base Actions of this Species.

Those Tribes are Slighty FARTHER Behind the 15th Century Actions of Islam...

Islam SHOULD be above this kind of Barbaric, Animalistic Crap...

And if not, then like the Catholics... Reformation may be in Order.

:)

peace...

No evidence apart from the fact that the Liberians quoted in this article clearly state that it is part of THEIR culture, which has a minority of Muslims. Of course, if you really wish make the claim that the parents actions are representative of Islam, you are welcome to provide a passage from the Quran or a hadith confirming such.

On a side note, it's pretty disturbing that someone can read an article about a raped eight year old and use it for the admonishment of a religion, rather than the perpetrators of the crime.

[Buffalo]

No evidence apart from the fact that the Liberians quoted in this article clearly state that it is part of THEIR culture, which has a minority of Muslims. Of course, if you really wish make the claim that the parents actions are representative of Islam, you are welcome to provide a passage from the Quran or a hadith confirming such.

On a side note, it's pretty disturbing that someone can read an article about a raped eight year old and use it for the admonishment of a religion, rather than the perpetrators of the crime.
Welcome to the internet.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

If only it was the Rape I was Questioning...

Try again.

:)

peace...
The 8 Year Old Brought Shame on her Father for being Raped

Hardly. You failed In Your attempt Here and Vaard and others have Proven that Quite Handily.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Ignoring the situation in Liberia to make a point that Islam is the only draconian cultural influence left in the world? It's a ****ing rampant issue, regardless of religious background, and these immigrants have brought their attitudes here. Yes, some Islamic societies are ass backwards. Some blame the victim of rape. Got something other than conjecture and bias to show what happened here is Islamic based?It's done in this country and by some fundamentalist Christians too. Happened to my aunt when she was raped. Ever been to a rape trial? I have. The defense does everything in their power to blame the victim. So don't pretend it doesn't happen here.

*******-ness abounds regardless of country or religion.

[tha malcontent™]

The 8 Year Old Brought Shame on her Father for being Raped

Hardly. You failed In Your attempt Here and Vaard and others have Proven that Quite Handily.

Hardly what?...

What was the Father Turning his Back over then?...

She's a ****ing 8 year old... She's a Victim... There is NO other Rational way to look at this, and only Animals would Blame an 8 Year Old for her Rape.

Am I on another Planet?

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

It's done in this country and by some fundamentalist Christians too. Happened to my aunt when she was raped. Ever been to a rape trial? I have. The defense does everything in their power to blame the victim. So don't pretend it doesn't happen here.

*******-ness abounds regardless of country or religion.

We are Talking about an 8-Year-Old, Emma... NOT your Aunt.

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

No evidence apart from the fact that the Liberians quoted in this article clearly state that it is part of THEIR culture, which has a minority of Muslims. Of course, if you really wish make the claim that the parents actions are representative of Islam, you are welcome to provide a passage from the Quran or a hadith confirming such.

On a side note, it's pretty disturbing that someone can read an article about a raped eight year old and use it for the admonishment of a religion, rather than the perpetrators of the crime.

It's because almost ALL of the People who Suffer Under Islam, wouldn't be the way they are without it's Tyranny...

Islam is at the Root of Women getting Stoned to Death in Iran...

Homosexuals being Executed in the ME...

It's not what a Person would Normally do to another Person in those Circumstances, it's what Religion Influences People to do...

And as the Catholics had their Reformation, so will Islam.

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

yes, 92% of the women interviewed in liberia have said they have had some sort of sexual violence acted on them.....


and it wasnt until decemeber of 2006 that rape was even made a crime in liberia... prior to that, only gang rapes were considered a criminal act.....


here is abreakdown of the religions of liberia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Liberia

It is estimated that as much as 40 percent of the population of Liberia practices either Christianity or Christianity combined with elements of traditional indigenous religious beliefs. [1] Approximately 40 percent exclusively practices traditional indigenous religious beliefs.[1] An estimated 20 percent of the population practices Islam.[1] A small percentage is Bahá'í, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, or atheist.[1]


here is the article i linked previously about rape in liberia.....

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=62311

This isn't about Rape in Liberia... It's about an 8 Year Old in America who is being Turned on by her Father because she was Raped...

If it's a Liberian Cultural Thing to make an 8 Year Old Victim of Rape out to be the Bad Person, then so be it...

My Money says this is an Islamic thing...

:)

peace...

[captusa]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/07/23/20090723abrk-phxsexassault23-ON.html

^The 8 Year Old Brought Shame on her Father for being Raped...

I Love Cultures that are Living in the 15th Century... In OUR Country...

:)

peace...

Liberia is 40% Christian and 20% Moslem and 40% other.

[tha malcontent™]

Liberia is 40% Christian and 20% Moslem and 40% other.

I Know what Islam is in the ME... It's the Same in Liberia

They Stone Women to Death over Simple Accusations of Infidelity and they Execute Homosexuals for being Homosexual...

The Question isn't whether or not Non-Western Islam is a Barbaric 15th Century Religion that Oppresses, Tortures, Murders and Rapes, it's whether or not this 8 Year Old Rape Victim is another Victim of Islam AFTER the Rape.

Is she?... Is her Father an Islamist?...

We'd Certianly KNOW for a Fact if he was a Fundementalist Christian, because the "Free Press" wouldn't Spit it's Wine out of it's Mouth Telling us...

:)

peace...

[JStasc08]

It's because almost ALL of the People who Suffer Under Islam, wouldn't be the way they are without it's Tyranny...

Islam is at the Root of Women getting Stoned to Death in Iran...

Homosexuals being Executed in the ME...

It's not what a Person would Normally do to another Person in those Circumstances, it's what Religion Influences People to do...

And as the Catholics had their Reformation, so will Islam.

:)

peace...

I'll admit barbarities take place all over the Middle East but seeing as how this case involves Liberian culture, in which Islam has very little influence, and no passage of the Quran or the hadiths mentions anything that would justify the parents reaction, I don't see the point you're trying to make with this thread.

[tha malcontent™]

I'll admit barbarities take place all over the Middle East but seeing as how this case involves Liberian culture, in which Islam has very little influence, and no passage of the Quran or the hadiths mentions anything that would justify the parents reaction, I don't see the point you're trying to make with this thread.

Because this is EXACTLY the way Islamists Act Towards their Victimized Daughters... It's just usually NOT an 8 Year Old, so this Case Disgusts me to an even Greater Level.

Assuming this "Father" is an Islamist...

Haven't had that Verified yet.

You see, the Left is Regularly Painting ALL Christians with the Broad Brush of one **** by the Name of Phelps, when that is simply Assinine...

There are Governments and Religious Leaders of 100's and 100's of Millions of Muslims who Advocate for the Stoning of Women, Execution of Homosexuals and the Anialation of Israel and all Jews...

Christianity in the Modern Day can NOT be Honestly Compared to what Islam is, and what it is doing... Specifically Non-First-World Islam... The one's we are Currently at War with.

:)

peace...

[notluzn]

Also you can kill 50 million people and the defense will defend. thats their JOB. Nice spine blaming AmericaIt's done in this country and by some fundamentalist Christians too. Happened to my aunt when she was raped. Ever been to a rape trial? I have. The defense does everything in their power to blame the victim. So don't pretend it doesn't happen here.

*******-ness abounds regardless of country or religion.

[tha malcontent™]

Also you can kill 50 million people and the defense will defend. thats their JOB. Nice spine blaming America

It's Amazing, ain't it...

:)

peace...

[JStasc08]

Because this is EXACTLY the way Islamists Act Towards their Victimized Daughters... It's just usually NOT an 8 Year Old, so this Case Disgusts me to an even Greater Level.

Assuming this "Father" is an Islamist...

Haven't had that Verified yet.

You see, the Left is Regularly Painting ALL Christians with the Broad Brush of one **** by the Name of Phelps, when that is simply Assinine...

There are Governments and Religious Leaders of 100's and 100's of Millions of Muslims who Advocate for the Stoning of Women, Execution of Homosexuals and the Anialation of Israel and all Jews...

Christianity in the Modern Day can NOT be Honestly Compared to what Islam is, and what it is doing... Specifically Non-First-World Islam... The one's we are Currently at War with.

:)

peace...

This may be exactly the way ARAB Islamists act towards a rape victim, however this is not an example of how the religion of Islam or it's holy books commands that women be treated in this circumstance. You are more than welcome to bring Arab culture into this discussion but any mention of Islam is simply an attempt to disparage the faith. If you disagree, you are still welcome to present examples from the Quran or the hadiths that support the actions of the parents in this case.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

We are Talking about an 8-Year-Old, Emma... NOT your Aunt.

:)

peace...
And I'm saying that people in THIS country blame the victim, and I've seen it happen. Don't try to paint me like I'm defending it either. It's despicable, whatever the reason.

[snagswolf]

And I'm saying that people in THIS country blame the victim, and I've seen it happen.
Why is it every time someone from America criticizes something going on in the world, liberals have a knee-jerk reaction to criticize America for the same thing? Any relative scale is ignored in the desperate desire to imply that we are "just as bad".

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Why is it every time someone from American criticizes something going on in the world, liberals have a knee-jerk reaction to criticize America for the same thing? Any relative scale is ignored in the desperate desire to imply that we are "just as bad".

I'm not saying we are 'just as bad'. I'm saying it happens here, too. In Liberia, it appears to be a cultural thing more than religious, but here there are those who blame the victim (not many I know of would blame a child, tho').

[snagswolf]

I'm not saying we are 'just as bad'. I'm saying it happens here, too.
I didn't claim you 'said' we were just as bad, I claimed you implied it.

And you did, right here:

It's done in this country and by some fundamentalist Christians too. ... So don't pretend it doesn't happen here.
and here:

And I'm saying that people in THIS country blame the victim, and I've seen it happen.
Your implication is clear. We shouldn't be criticizing others because we are 'just as bad'.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

I didn't claim you 'said' we were just as bad, I claimed you implied it.

And you did, right here:


and here:


Your implication is clear. We shouldn't be criticizing others because we are 'just as bad'.

I can't help it if you can't understand what you're reading.

[snagswolf]

I can't help it if you can't understand what you're reading.
Ok.

:))

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Have a glorious day. Me... I'm headed to bed. Ah well.

[tha malcontent™]

Don't try to paint me like I'm defending it either. It's despicable, whatever the reason.

I said NOTHING of the Sort, Emma... Sounds like a Guilty Conscience to me...

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

Your implication is clear. We shouldn't be criticizing others because we are 'just as bad'.

Of course it is... But there won't be enough Honesty Available for a Concession on that one! ;)

:)

peace...

[sgdp]

Love me some ignorance.

[tha malcontent™]

Love me some ignorance.

This is a heinous practice we are well aware of with followers of Islam—-blaming the rape victim. But these Liberians are likely not Muslims, so I was interested to learn that this cultural problem was coming into the US with other refugee cultures as well.

Tell me who said that...

:)

peace...

[gdoane]

"Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."

The causative problem here, as I see it, is not the refugees, or the immigration, it's that they cluster together in a small area and bring their Chinatowns and Little Italy's and such where the melting pot of America really doesn't cook.

These people were all from Liberia, they were all clustered in one small area and they were able to recreate Liberia on American soil.

I'm amazed that no one has mentioned that Liberia is an American invention. The nation was supposed to be a place for freed African slaves to return to Africa, and form a wonderful nation for Blacks.

If you believe in the America is a melting pot concept (I do), then obviously there shouldn't be any Chinatowns or Little Italy places where immigrants can go and hide from American laws and standards of conduct.

Bringing a Liberian into the USA would not result in this. Bringing Liberians into the USA and putting them all into the same place did. We had a little Liberia here in Arizona.

The whole idea of America is to join and be a part of it, not live here and be apart from it.

[tha malcontent™]

If this Father was a Fundamentalist Christian or a Mormon, that would have Lead the News...

Interesting that there is still no Verification.

:)

peace...