Parents Or Rapist Who is Worse

[DRS]

(CNN) -- Four boys ages 9 to 14 have been charged with sexually assaulting an 8-year old girl, police in Phoenix, Arizona, said Wednesday.

The girl was lured into a vacant storage shed by the suspects, who offered her chewing gum, police said at a news conference.

The girl was restrained while the boys -- ages 9, 10, 13 and 14 -- sexually assaulted her, police said of the July 16 incident.

All the suspects except for the 14-year-old live in the same apartment complex, according to Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill. The 14-year-old has been charged as an adult, Hill said.

Detectives said the girl was placed in the custody of Phoenix child protective services after the attack because of her parents' attitude toward her
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/22/arizona.juvenile.sexual.assault/index.html

The acts of these boys is sickening, but the fact she need protection from her parents because she was raped.

[Apatriot]

(CNN) -- Four boys ages 9 to 14 have been charged with sexually assaulting an 8-year old girl, police in Phoenix, Arizona, said Wednesday.

The girl was lured into a vacant storage shed by the suspects, who offered her chewing gum, police said at a news conference.

The girl was restrained while the boys -- ages 9, 10, 13 and 14 -- sexually assaulted her, police said of the July 16 incident.

All the suspects except for the 14-year-old live in the same apartment complex, according to Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill. The 14-year-old has been charged as an adult, Hill said.

Detectives said the girl was placed in the custody of Phoenix child protective services after the attack because of her parents' attitude toward her
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/22/arizona.juvenile.sexual.assault/index.html

The acts of these boys is sickening, but the fact she need protection from her parents because she was raped.


The rapists are worse, but the parents aren't far behind, due to the barbaric culture that they were raised in.

[Greyclouds]

That poor girl...

[snagswolf]

That story is odd in that it doesn't go into any kind of detail about the parents' attitude.

Even a blurb like "When asked to give details about the parents' attitude, detectives refused further comment", would have let the reader know the reporter was attempting to do their job.

[Hadassah]

That story is odd in that it doesn't go into any kind of detail about the parents' attitude.

Even a blurb like "When asked to give details about the parents' attitude, detectives refused further comment", would have let the reader know the reporter was attempting to do their job.

the last line in the story said that the families of the girl and the boys were from Liberia. maybe the reporter was trying to give us a clue. :think:

[Hadassah]

as for who is worse, the rapists or the parents.....definitely the parents. parents cannot protect their children from everything but they are supposed to do everything in their power to help their children through whatever life throws at them, whether it be getting a D- on the math final, having your prom date dump you, or being raped. It appears her parents are failing her.

[DRS]

If I had been one of the boys I would needed protective services from my parents as the entire woodshed would have been used on me

[FromAKtoAZ]

the last line in the story said that the families of the girl and the boys were from Liberia. maybe the reporter was trying to give us a clue. :think:


yes the whole story should be here, as it would explain some cultural differences. As Paul Harvey would say, Here is the rest of the story...

The girl and the boys charged are all from families that have come to the United States from the West African nation of Liberia (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/liberia), police said.

[FromAKtoAZ]

and my vote goes to all... The boys are terrible, they should ALL be tried as adults, and the parents (the article, seems to imply they were indifferent or even cruel to her) should be sent to parenting classes and counseling, and maybe they should never get the girl back. hmm... tough one really

[notluzn]

Both...

[snagswolf]

yes the whole story should be here, as it would explain some cultural differences. As Paul Harvey would say, Here is the rest of the story...
So we're just supposed to assume that folks from Liberia have an 'attitude' towards their kids when they're raped?

[Hadassah]

If I had been one of the boys I would needed protective services from my parents as the entire woodshed would have been used on me

Damn straight.

[Hadassah]

So we're just supposed to assume that folks from Liberia have an 'attitude' towards their kids when they're raped?


maybe the reporter was attempting to say "Hey, these parents are Muslim and we have all heard stories about how Muslim men are towards females who have been raped." without actually saying it. or maybe the reporter was told "off the record" what the parent's attitude was and was using the statement of where the families were from to give us a clue of what the reporter was told.

[Vaard]

not sure what the religion of liberia has to do with anything regarding this......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Liberia

It is estimated that as much as 40 percent of the population of Liberia practices either Christianity or Christianity combined with elements of traditional indigenous religious beliefs. [1] Approximately 40 percent exclusively practices traditional indigenous religious beliefs.[1] An estimated 20 percent of the population practices Islam.[1] A small percentage is Bahá'í, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, or atheist.[1]

[Buffalo]

That is so sad.

[Buffalo]

Many Liberian women are subjected to some very harsh lives.

[Vaard]

sadly, i think the "attitude" of the parents may have been one of indifference since rape is so widespread and prevalent in liberia.......

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=62311

According to the results of a government survey in 10 of Liberia's 15 counties for the period 2005-2006, 92 percent of the 1,600 women interviewed said they had experienced some form of sexual violence, including rape.


and can you believe rape was only made illegal in 2006 in liberia?

A law passed in December [2006] made rape illegal for the first time in Liberia - previously only gang rape was considered a crime. The new law forbids bail and carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.



but i must say i support the punishment for the crime......

[Samm]

sadly, i think the "attitude" of the parents may have been one of indifference since rape is so widespread and prevalent in liberia.......

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=62311

According to the results of a government survey in 10 of Liberia's 15 counties for the period 2005-2006, 92 percent of the 1,600 women interviewed said they had experienced some form of sexual violence, including rape.


and can you believe rape was only made illegal in 2006 in liberia?

A law passed in December [2006] made rape illegal for the first time in Liberia - previously only gang rape was considered a crime. The new law forbids bail and carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.



but i must say i support the punishment for the crime......

It certainly is not one world... :neutral:

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

sadly, i think the "attitude" of the parents may have been one of indifference since rape is so widespread and prevalent in liberia.......

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=62311

According to the results of a government survey in 10 of Liberia's 15 counties for the period 2005-2006, 92 percent of the 1,600 women interviewed said they had experienced some form of sexual violence, including rape.


and can you believe rape was only made illegal in 2006 in liberia?

A law passed in December [2006] made rape illegal for the first time in Liberia - previously only gang rape was considered a crime. The new law forbids bail and carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.



but i must say i support the punishment for the crime......

Reading that article...disheartening and sad as it is :frown:...said nothing about retribution punishment being the norm from the parents of these girls. It mentioned nothing about a 'attitude' from these parents towards the daughters after being a victim of this viscous crime. Nothing that would infer these girls were in some physical danger from their families.

So, I'm having to guess that the topic OP story had to have a separate element within it that made child protective services remove the child from her home? Perhaps the parents of that specific child where/are Muslim? Perhaps the reporter did not want to infer an 'honor killing' attitude or insult the Muslim population by spelling out what that attitude was due to a specific religious belief? What about the boys who raped the girl? Shouldn't they 'open' their wallets to the girls parents as the one Aunt in the article you posted did? Shouldn't this small community of Liberian immigrants seek their justice from the families of these boys...just as they do back home?

That last line most certainly leaves a wide area of speculation and odd placement for the ending of the short article. I know they are all juveniles...but the pit of the story seemed to be more towards this open odd placed sentence. I wonder if more information or clarification will be forth coming? :think:

~Mysty

[angelicmadrigal]

If I had been one of the boys I would needed protective services from my parents as the entire woodshed would have been used on me

Well maybe that's what these boys needed, other than a smack upside their heads by a boot.

[angelicmadrigal]

Many Liberian women are subjected to some very harsh lives.

Too bad they didn't get the memo "That doesn't fly here"

[ConstitutionHugger]

(CNN) -- Four boys ages 9 to 14 have been charged with sexually assaulting an 8-year old girl, police in Phoenix, Arizona, said Wednesday.

The girl was lured into a vacant storage shed by the suspects, who offered her chewing gum, police said at a news conference.

The girl was restrained while the boys -- ages 9, 10, 13 and 14 -- sexually assaulted her, police said of the July 16 incident.

All the suspects except for the 14-year-old live in the same apartment complex, according to Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill. The 14-year-old has been charged as an adult, Hill said.

Detectives said the girl was placed in the custody of Phoenix child protective services after the attack because of her parents' attitude toward her
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/22/arizona.juvenile.sexual.assault/index.html

The acts of these boys is sickening, but the fact she need protection from her parents because she was raped.

If that happened to any of my family members, the boys would need an army to protect them.
Because around here there are 3 things you just don't mess with: A mans family, truck, or dog, doing so would be very harmful to ones health. Strangely there is very little crime around here, I wonder why:think:

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

maybe the reporter was attempting to say "Hey, these parents are Muslim and we have all heard stories about how Muslim men are towards females who have been raped." without actually saying it. or maybe the reporter was told "off the record" what the parent's attitude was and was using the statement of where the families were from to give us a clue of what the reporter was told.Statistically not likely to be Muslim.

Religions: Christian 40%, Muslim 20%, animist 40%.

[jeepers]

sadly, i think the "attitude" of the parents may have been one of indifference since rape is so widespread and prevalent in liberia.......

http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=62311

According to the results of a government survey in 10 of Liberia's 15 counties for the period 2005-2006, 92 percent of the 1,600 women interviewed said they had experienced some form of sexual violence, including rape.


and can you believe rape was only made illegal in 2006 in liberia?

A law passed in December [2006] made rape illegal for the first time in Liberia - previously only gang rape was considered a crime. The new law forbids bail and carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.



but i must say i support the punishment for the crime......


"There is always a high influx of girls, mostly teenagers who come to this hospital complaining that they were raped. We offer them free medical treatment. They come from all over, Monrovia, Margibi, Bomi, Grand Cape Mount and Bong Counties," a doctor told IRIN, asking that his name not be used.

He said most of the rape victims reporting at Benson from other counties do not trust the health clinics in rural areas.

"Rape is now the new war in Liberia, because our girls are being destroyed by older men who should be protecting them. It is now a serious issue," he said.


Dear God. :(

[jeepers]

(CNN) -- Four boys ages 9 to 14 have been charged with sexually assaulting an 8-year old girl, police in Phoenix, Arizona, said Wednesday.

The girl was lured into a vacant storage shed by the suspects, who offered her chewing gum, police said at a news conference.

The girl was restrained while the boys -- ages 9, 10, 13 and 14 -- sexually assaulted her, police said of the July 16 incident.

All the suspects except for the 14-year-old live in the same apartment complex, according to Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill. The 14-year-old has been charged as an adult, Hill said.

Detectives said the girl was placed in the custody of Phoenix child protective services after the attack because of her parents' attitude toward her
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/22/arizona.juvenile.sexual.assault/index.html

The acts of these boys is sickening, but the fact she need protection from her parents because she was raped.


WTH? Gang rape by a third grader? :eek:

Yeah, her parents probably suck but I daresay that the parents of these four little turdbuckets pretty much suck rocks, too if this is what they've produced.

[Vaard]

Reading that article...disheartening and sad as it is :frown:...said nothing about retribution punishment being the norm from the parents of these girls. It mentioned nothing about a 'attitude' from these parents towards the daughters after being a victim of this viscous crime. Nothing that would infer these girls were in some physical danger from their families.

So, I'm having to guess that the topic OP story had to have a separate element within it that made child protective services remove the child from her home? Perhaps the parents of that specific child where/are Muslim? Perhaps the reporter did not want to infer an 'honor killing' attitude or insult the Muslim population by spelling out what that attitude was due to a specific religious belief? What about the boys who raped the girl? Shouldn't they 'open' their wallets to the girls parents as the one Aunt in the article you posted did? Shouldn't this small community of Liberian immigrants seek their justice from the families of these boys...just as they do back home?

That last line most certainly leaves a wide area of speculation and odd placement for the ending of the short article. I know they are all juveniles...but the pit of the story seemed to be more towards this open odd placed sentence. I wonder if more information or clarification will be forth coming? :think:

~Mysty

yeah, since the article doesnt explain the "attitude" problem of the parents, it is impossible to say what the problem was......


i was just saying that the parents may have acted indifferent to the rape since they probably came form a culture (of libera) where it is so prevalent that the parents didnt react in an agery or even concerned manner that may have caused the authorities to question the ability of the parents to deal with the child......


just specualation on my part........

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

yeah, since the article doesnt explain the "attitude" problem of the parents, it is impossible to say what the problem was......


i was just saying that the parents may have acted indifferent to the rape since they probably came form a culture (of libera) where it is so prevalent that the parents didnt react in an agery or even concerned manner that may have caused the authorities to question the ability of the parents to deal with the child......


just specualation on my part........

I think you're right.

[Hadassah]

Statistically not likely to be Muslim.


I was just guessing as to why the reporter would mention where the girl's family was from.

[Hadassah]

yeah, since the article doesnt explain the "attitude" problem of the parents, it is impossible to say what the problem was......


i was just saying that the parents may have acted indifferent to the rape since they probably came form a culture (of libera) where it is so prevalent that the parents didnt react in an agery or even concerned manner that may have caused the authorities to question the ability of the parents to deal with the child......


just specualation on my part........

you may be right.

[DRS]

If that happened to any of my family members, the boys would need an army to protect them.
Because around here there are 3 things you just don't mess with: A mans family, truck, or dog, doing so would be very harmful to ones health. Strangely there is very little crime around here, I wonder why:think:

Thank goodness for the rule of law, as disgusted as I am by the actions of these boys they are still kids and I would hope they are teachable and I want to know where they learned such behaviour.

[jeepers]

yeah, since the article doesnt explain the "attitude" problem of the parents, it is impossible to say what the problem was......


i was just saying that the parents may have acted indifferent to the rape since they probably came form a culture (of libera) where it is so prevalent that the parents didnt react in an agery or even concerned manner that may have caused the authorities to question the ability of the parents to deal with the child......


just specualation on my part........


I just read that the boys are ALSO immigrants from Liberia and that the girl was taken in after being DISOWNED by her family...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/07/23/20090723sexassault0723.html

There is more to this story.

[jeepers]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/23/phoenix.juvenile.assault/

[smyrna]

The older the child, the more probable they influenced that rape. The boys fathers would rec've the lowest marks in my book.

[Gabby]

I just read that the boys are ALSO immigrants from Liberia and that the girl was taken in after being DISOWNED by her family...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/07/23/20090723sexassault0723.html

There is more to this story.
I hope that the authorities keep this girl away from her parents and force her parents to pay child support.

Unfortunately the parent's reaction towards her rape is very typical of the type of culture they come from. A girl/woman is usually blamed for the rape. The argument is usually that she somehow enticed some good boys to have sex with her. After all, they would argue, why else would these boys think of such a thing? The fact that the girl's father said that nothing should be done to the boys demonstrates the cultural attitude towards women and rape. In this culture a girl is 'worthless' once she is raped. No one will marry her. It does not matter if the family is Christian, Muslim or some other religion. It's a cultural thing.

[ConstitutionHugger]

Thank goodness for the rule of law, as disgusted as I am by the actions of these boys they are still kids and I would hope they are teachable and I want to know where they learned such behaviour.

In my opinion once you rape someone, i mean actual rape not Statutory rape, you are no longer be fit to be called or treated as a human. Any body, even the mentally handicapped, know that when someone is screaming out for help and/or crying (which i am certain she was) that what is happening needs to stop, and that person is being hurt.

The reason why I said Statutory rape is not actual rape, is because all the cases I have seen were a 18-20 year old and a 16-17 year old whose parents found out that their "little angel" ain't so innocent and files charges even though the sex was consentual. I know this because it happened to a good friend of mine. Thankfully the charges against him were dismissed

[DRS]

In my opinion once you rape someone, i mean actual rape not Statutory rape, you are no longer be fit to be called or treated as a human. Any body, even the mentally handicapped, know that when someone is screaming out for help and/or crying (which i am certain she was) that what is happening needs to stop, and that person is being hurt.

The reason why I said Statutory rape is not actual rape, is because all the cases I have seen were a 18-20 year old and a 16-17 year old whose parents found out that their "little angel" ain't so innocent and files charges even though the sex was consentual. I know this because it happened to a good friend of mine. Thankfully the charges against him were dismissed

Listen we do not know what sort of eniroment these children came from, that coupled with their age means I want to understand them before even the idea of shooting a child comes up.

Like I said thank goodness for the rule of law.