Making me sick..

[in4sit]

It's nice to see that Obama keeps pushing "BUSH" when it come to our problems today... Yes, Bush did wrong,.. but Obama has not said ANYTHING about what he has done wrong,.. when is HE going to say.. "It's my fault now?"..

When does the blame start with Obama liberals??.. I know Obama was given a 1.3 trillion dollars deficit, but do you notice how he will not say what kind of deficit he will be passing on??.. At the rate he is spending.. what will he pass on?? Anyone have the numbers for that? Should he not be tellings us that as well?

[in4sit]

How long did Reagan blame Carter again?

I don't know.. you tell me.. and I guess I didn't see where I said anything about Reagan and Carter..

[freddyboy]

How long did Reagan blame Carter again?

Cool Aid . . .

I must have Cool Aid . . .

[in4sit]

So you only take notice when a Democrat does it.

When it is Obama... you bet. He was going to be our God!! the man with all the answers...

So, do you have the numbers or are you just saying you don't care what Obama passes on.. do you only care what Bush passed on?.. troll?

[in4sit]

Cool Aid . . .

I must have Cool Aid . . .

I was thinking the same thing lol.

[in4sit]

Suddenly someone who points out the hypocrisy in your argument is a troll

or a Kool Aid drinker, don't forget that!

[Shawna]

I don't know.. you tell me..

he can't.


and I guess I didn't see where I said anything about Reagan and Carter..

you didn't, but he needs a strawman, so he implies that you did.

[freddyboy]

Kool Aid*, atleast get your insults spelled correctly.

You missed the irony.

Think about it.

[crazy_wolf]

It's nice to see that Obama keeps pushing "BUSH" when it come to our problems today... Yes, Bush did wrong,.. but Obama has not said ANYTHING about what he has done wrong,.. when is HE going to say.. "It's my fault now?"..

When does the blame start with Obama liberals??.. I know Obama was given a 1.3 trillion dollars deficit, but do you notice how he will not say what kind of deficit he will be passing on??.. At the rate he is spending.. what will he pass on?? Anyone have the numbers for that? Should he not be tellings us that as well?

I didn't hear. What did BHO say about Bush?

[crazy_wolf]

How long did Reagan blame Carter again?

Did Reagan blame Carter?

[in4sit]

I didn't hear. What did BHO say about Bush?

Did you watch him talk tonight?? If not, Fox has it on their web page. Watch it.

[crazy_wolf]

Did you watch him talk tonight?? If not, Fox has it on their web page. Watch it.

Are you kidding? That would be worse than water boarding! :mrgreen:

[in4sit]

Are you kidding? That would be worse than water boarding! :mrgreen:

I know.. it was very hard to watch.

[crazy_wolf]

Yes he did, quite continually in fact. To the poster asking me to think about the irony, I am enjoying the deeper irony that Republicans are asking Obama to take responsibility for this. Reagan blamed Carter almost on a monthly basis the first 3 years of his term, it happens.

Well, I was too young to notice, so I can't say one way or the other. Maybe a little proof would back up your claim.

[in4sit]

Yes he did, quite continually in fact. To the poster asking me to think about the irony, I am enjoying the deeper irony that Republicans are asking Obama to take responsibility for this. Reagan blamed Carter almost on a monthly basis the first 3 years of his term, it happens.

Also to those of you complaining about deficits, who was the Vp that told us deficits don't matter?

really.. like what?? What did he blame him for?

[drock]

Yes he did, quite often in fact. To the poster asking me to think about the irony, I am enjoying the deeper irony that Republicans are asking Obama to take responsibility for this. Reagan blamed Carter almost on a monthly basis the first 3 years of his term, it happens.

Also to those of you complaining about deficits, who was the Vp that told us deficits don't matter?
the difference between reagan and obama is reagan wasnt involved in the mess carter created he was a governor at the time.this idiot obama was in the senate to help screw this country

[drock]

The economy he inherited, go figure.
the economy he helped screw up when the dems took back the senate

[drock]

impeach this s.o.b now

[crazy_wolf]

You could look it up yourself or just take my word that incoming presidents blame their predecessors aslong as it is politically viable.

Yes, I could. But since you made a specific claim that RR blamed JC monthly for his first three years, a broad stroke assertion that all new Presidents do it does not remove the burden of proof from you.

[drock]

The house of cards were set up well before 2006, nice try though.
your right b/c of the ******* dems in power that forced the real estate companies to allow people to buy houses they could not afford.started with carter in the 70"S and continued with clinton. that were it started stupid libs fault

[drock]

this president his wife and anyone he surrounds himelf with are nothing but crooks

[betwixt]

Yes he did, quite often in fact. To the poster asking me to think about the irony, I am enjoying the deeper irony that Republicans are asking Obama to take responsibility for this. Reagan blamed Carter almost on a monthly basis the first 3 years of his term, it happens.

Also to those of you complaining about deficits, who was the Vp that told us deficits don't matter?

Hello Cloud, welcome to the forums.

Usually when a poster makes some kind of broad statement like you have, they often bring some factual information in a link. If not it's looked upon as troll behavior.

Just a heads up.

[drock]

Sure
just look it up.carter started it clinton increased it. bush did try to stop it in '04 nobody wanted to listen even some stup repubs.you have th eidiot from california saying there is nothing wrong with fannie mae and freddie mac same from the queen barney frank

[Greyghost]

Kool Aid*, atleast get your insults spelled correctly.

So did you start an account just so you can flame people on spelling or so you can blame Bush and apparently Reagan?

[drock]

obama will be considered the worst president ever and thank god a 1 term mistake. he is in way over his head he is an idiot

[Physics Hunter]

It's nice to see that Obama keeps pushing "BUSH" when it come to our problems today... Yes, Bush did wrong,.. but Obama has not said ANYTHING about what he has done wrong,.. when is HE going to say.. "It's my fault now?"..

When does the blame start with Obama liberals??.. I know Obama was given a 1.3 trillion dollars deficit, but do you notice how he will not say what kind of deficit he will be passing on??.. At the rate he is spending.. what will he pass on?? Anyone have the numbers for that? Should he not be tellings us that as well?

Apparently you do not get Keynesian Medical Economics! If he makes you sick now it will make you 1.5 times better later.

[Physics Hunter]

Ah yes like post #29, or are people noting behaviors of Prominent Conservatives the only ones that have to show this proof?

Ah, no... that is just pre-proved:

Tax Cheat, Tax Cheat, Tax Cheat, Withdrew, Dead Fish, Tax Cheat, replaced in Senate by a crook, Govenor Resigned, withdrew, Tax Cheat, Took money from Dr. Death,.....

By the way I do not agree on Prez and Wife, as of yet unproven.

[Greyghost]

Ah yes like post #29, or are people noting behaviors of Prominent Conservatives the only ones that have to show this proof?

All you have done in this thread is flame the posters and make comments about Reagan blaming Carter without any proof and have completely derailed the OP's initial post. So yes, the behavior of a troll. :rolleyes:

[Middy]

The house of cards were set up well before 2006, nice try though.


The economy was doing very well under Bush, and unemployment was at record lows.....Of course, after 2007 when Pelosi and Reid took control of congress, and the
dirty deeds of Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd & Co, Maxine Waters, etal, came crashing down, forget it!

[drock]

That is really conveniant for your partisan view. The record lows in unemployment you are referring too occurred during his predecessors administration.
the record low unemployment was due to bush.look at the #s after 9/11

[Middy]

I just noted it was ironic that someone who insulted my motives can't spell, I'm not blaming anyone here, rather pointing out the obvious that Presidents often blame their predecessors for bad economic situations.

I don't recall GW bringing up Clinton's name as he took on a recession; nor do I recall him slamming any news media for the constant attacks they made against him every day of his office, as opposed to Obama's habit of whining about Fox News.

Neither did he lash out at commentators who were constantly bashing him, as our present leader has done.

He also didn't blame Clinton for treating the numerous terrorist attacks as criminal activity and for not agreeing to accept Bin Laden when he was offered to him by Sudan, or refusing to take him out when he had the opportunity to do so. I do admit that many on the right did bring that up often, but GW never did.

[Middy]

That is really conveniant for your partisan view. The record lows in unemployment you are referring too occurred during his predecessors administration.

I know that facts are not convenient for your partisan view, but:

The normal unemployment rate is 5.4%; this takes into consideration those who are unemployable and those not actively seeking employment.


When Clinton was in office the rates were as low of 3.8 % to a high of 6.5% or about an average of 5.3% while incurring no wars or anything major.


When GW Bush was in office rates were as low as 3.9% to a high of 6.3% or about an average of 5.3% while incurring 9/11 attacks and 2nd Gulf War.

http://www.kxnet.com/default.asp

[Middy]

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html

We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It's a fancy term for those "why didn't someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996

Great justification.........not.

[simssk]

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html

We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It's a fancy term for those "why didn't someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996

I don't believe the point was in "the facts"

The point was Bush did NOT blame Clinton for problems Bush inherited.

[Middy]

I don't believe the point was in "the facts"

The point was Bush did NOT blame Clinton for problems Bush inherited.

Thank you for understanding the gist of the post. Obviously, the lack of perception in some people comes in handy when they would rather skirt the issue.

[Middy]

Im missing the "record unemployment" numbers you claimed.

I'm missing the lower rate of employment under Clinton, as you claimed.

[Physics Hunter]

Still waiting for those record unemployment numbers under Bush. How about number of Jobs created?

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the United States has gained 2,866,000 net private-sector jobs (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bls.gov%2Fnews.release%2Fce wbd.t01.htm) between 2001, when President George W. Bush took office, and the first quarter of 2008. (According to the BLS, the United States has experienced a net loss of private-sector jobs each month (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bls.gov%2Fschedule%2Farchiv es%2Fempsit_nr.htm) since the first quarter of 2008 ended in March.) In contrast with Bush, the United States gained 10,749,000 net private-sector jobs during President Clinton's first term in office, from 1993 through 1996. The U.S. gained 10,270,000 net private-sector jobs during his second term, from 1997 through 2000.

so 3 million>20 million?

You have done an excellent job of proving that we need to overturn both the Senate and House to Republican majorities in 2010.

We need a new RNC leader, care to apply?

[Middy]

Still waiting for those record unemployment numbers under Bush. How about number of Jobs created?

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the United States has gained 2,866,000 net private-sector jobs (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bls.gov%2Fnews.release%2Fce wbd.t01.htm) between 2001, when President George W. Bush took office, and the first quarter of 2008. (According to the BLS, the United States has experienced a net loss of private-sector jobs each month (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bls.gov%2Fschedule%2Farchiv es%2Fempsit_nr.htm) since the first quarter of 2008 ended in March.) In contrast with Bush, the United States gained 10,749,000 net private-sector jobs during President Clinton's first term in office, from 1993 through 1996. The U.S. gained 10,270,000 net private-sector jobs during his second term, from 1997 through 2000.

so 3 million>20 million?

If you think you're making a point with your cut and paste facts from ?, you're greatly mistaken. Bush had to contend with 9/11, two wars, and Katrina. I had some problems with Bush, but he did a great job with the economy, and the recession that he inherited was very short-lived, thanks to the Bush tax cuts, and other policies. He also did a great job in keeping us safe for years after 9/11, in spite of all of the predictions that we were going to be attacked again.

The numbers of people I come across, even in my own bluest of areas, who actually are starting to miss the former President, is growing. Buyers' remorse is taking hold.

[RedStatePaPa]

How long did Reagan blame Carter again?

Link to this please.

[str8shtr1]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/164211/page/1

"...During his 1980 Labor Day speech at New Jersey's Liberty State Park, Republican presidential nominee Ronald Reagan listed the economic failures of his opponent, President Jimmy Carter..."

"Let it show on the record that when the American people cried out for economic help, Jimmy Carter took refuge behind a dictionary."

"Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?"

Here's some quotes of Bush blaming Clinton in 2008....yeah, in 2008...

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/07/28/bush-administration-blames-bill-clinton-for-deficit/

Thread dead no?

[LJ14]

It's nice to see that Obama keeps pushing "BUSH" when it come to our problems today... Yes, Bush did wrong,.. but Obama has not said ANYTHING about what he has done wrong,.. when is HE going to say.. "It's my fault now?"..

When does the blame start with Obama liberals??.. I know Obama was given a 1.3 trillion dollars deficit, but do you notice how he will not say what kind of deficit he will be passing on??.. At the rate he is spending.. what will he pass on?? Anyone have the numbers for that? Should he not be tellings us that as well?

Speaking of "numbers"..... what I'd like to hear is an explanation for WHY the midsummer budget numbers have been delayed. :eh:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/20/obama-hiding-the-budget-numbers-until-august-recess/

Obama is going to deflect as much as he can, and that's what all this "Blame Bush" distraction really is, just another deflection to keep the public eye off of what's really going on. He's a novice, in over his head, and because the problems are so serious, the old partisan tricks don't work any more. They come off shallow, illustrating his incompetence rather than covering it. Liberals only see what they want to see, so yeah... they buy in hook, line, and sinker. But for average Americans, the ones who aren't following every nuance of political debate the way we do... it's all starting to sound a bit hollow and whiney.

So, let Obama continue to dig his own political grave, I say. He looks like a child, in full-fledged weepy meltdown, blowing snot-bubbles while demanding the trinket he wants and kicking his feet on the ground at the unfairness of being told 'no'.

Like you, OP, I was annoyed at Obama's insistence that the deficit is all his predecessors fault, as if we couldn't see that he's doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on it. :rolleyes:
But... the fact is, we do see. Americans aren't as stupid as the liberal Democrats in power believe them to be. Everywhere I go now, people are talking. Average people. People who don't follow the day-to-day. And they're starting to see what you and I see.

Every time Obama commits himself to something other than TRUE LEADERSHIP, he's revealed as the amateur he is, and a few more Americans SEE IT. Take this business last night where he went on primetime TV and whined about Republicans. Does he really think we can't count? Does he not understand that we KNOW he's got the majorities he needs in Congress to pass anything Democrats want?... that we KNOW his accusations of obstruction are just another partisan defection meant to cover his inability to develop a vote-worthy plan?

I don't know about you, but I'm thinking... let's get a bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show. :razz:
Afterall, how many times to we get to see an American President decline the dignity of the office in favor of blubbering like a thwarted child? Snot-bubbles. Political deflections. They're pretty much the same thing at this point.

:))

[JudasGoat]

or a Kool Aid drinker, don't forget that!



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