A Firearm Perspective

[SaintVegas]

There were two men standing in front of my desk one day. One was British and the other American. They were in a rather heated argument about whether or not guns were necessary or desireable. The British man, of course, argued that guns were terrible and that there were far more crimes in the United States than in England for the reason that firearms were legal here and not there. The American argued that they were absolutely essential for him to protect himself as well as his family. Following that declaration, the conversation went something like this:

British Fellow: I don't need a gun. I have a large ax that I use for chopping wood back home. Let me ask you, if I came running at you with a large and very sharp ax, would you not be intimidated??

American Fellow: (laughs) Not really. I would just pull out my gun and shoot you.

:clap:

:))

[BillBrown]

There were two men standing in front of my desk one day. One was British and the other American. They were in a rather heated argument about whether or not guns were necessary or desireable. The British man, of course, argued that guns were terrible and that there were far more crimes in the United States than in England for the reason that firearms were legal here and not there. The American argued that they were absolutely essential for him to protect himself as well as his family. Following that declaration, the conversation went something like this:

British Fellow: I don't need a gun. I have a large ax that I use for chopping wood back home. Let me ask you, if I came running at you with a large and very sharp ax, would you not be intimidated??

American Fellow: (laughs) Not really. I would just pull out my gun and shoot you.

:clap:

:))

And he would probably get axed to death.

Anything short of a head shot, will leave an assailant alive for long enough to deliver a knife or swing an axe. I believe the line is 20'. If he's closer than 20', even with a lethal shot, you'll get axed or knifed.

[SaintVegas]

And he would probably get axed to death.

Anything short of a head shot, will leave an assailant alive for long enough to deliver a knife or swing an axe. I believe the line is 20'. If he's closer than 20', even with a lethal shot, you'll get axed or knifed.

Assuming the guy just stood there and allowed himself to get axed or knifed.

[BillBrown]

Assuming the guy just stood there and allowed himself to get axed or knifed.

Even if you turn and run. You can't build up enough velocity from a dead stop, to outrun a man 20' away from you who already has forward momentum.

[ArmyMAJretired]

My pistol holds 11 rounds, even assuming I miss a few, I can squeeze off quite a few.

Unless axman is high on meth he's going down.

JMHO

[BillBrown]

My pistol holds 11 rounds, even assuming I miss a few, I can squeeze off quite a few.

Unless axman is high on meth he's going down.

JMHO

He'll go down.

How long will it take him to die?

Pick a spot about 20' away. Imagine a man at a dead run coming at you.
For a handgun to stop him, he would have to drop like a rock as soon as soon as your bullet entered him.
People don't go down that way, when they're shot, even mortally wounded.

[SaintVegas]

Even if you turn and run. You can't build up enough velocity from a dead stop, to outrun a man 20' away from you who already has forward momentum.

I cannot speak for your ability, sir, but I do believe that I could, in fact, do just that. The police and military do so every day.

[Values]

And he would probably get axed to death.

Anything short of a head shot, will leave an assailant alive for long enough to deliver a knife or swing an axe. I believe the line is 20'. If he's closer than 20', even with a lethal shot, you'll get axed or knifed.

Bs...don't know much about weapons do you.
That 20 foot number is for someone to get their handgun out of it's holster.
It assumes you are not aware of anything going on and the attacker is soley bent on attacking you as quickly as they can. Neither happens very often in an actual knife/axe against gun situation.
Besides, my shotgun trumps your 20 feet.

[SaintVegas]

He'll go down.

How long will it take him to die?

Pick a spot about 20' away. Imagine a man at a dead run coming at you.
For a handgun to stop him, he would have to drop like a rock as soon as soon as your bullet entered him.
People don't go down that way, when they're shot, even mortally wounded.

If a man was coming at me at a dead run, 20' away or no, I would move aside. I have been in a similar situation (the man didn't have an ax or any weapon, for that matter) and didn't have a problem stepping aside.

If the man had a gaping hole in his person, he would be even less likely to shift his direction in accordance with my modified position.

[Values]

Even if you turn and run. You can't build up enough velocity from a dead stop, to outrun a man 20' away from you who already has forward momentum.

Where do you get this stuff?
I am afraid there are many people who could EASILY out run me with a20 foot lead, even if I were full steam already.:cry:

[SaintVegas]

Where do you get this stuff?
I am afraid there are many people who could EASILY out run me with a20 foot lead, even if I were full steam already.:cry:

Not to mention if the man in question had HOLES in his chest from the BULLETS you just fired into it.

:))

[ArmyMAJretired]

He'll go down.

How long will it take him to die?

Pick a spot about 20' away. Imagine a man at a dead run coming at you.
For a handgun to stop him, he would have to drop like a rock as soon as soon as your bullet entered him.
People don't go down that way, when they're shot, even mortally wounded.

You said it yourself, he'll go down. Once that happens he isn't a threath.

I don't care how long he bleeds, heck I might even call 911.

He wouldn't have to drop like a rock, just drop his ax so he can grab the bullet holes to stop the bleeding.

BTW do you know how much kinetic energy a high velocity 9mm bullet conducts?

Look at ballistic gel when it is hit.

[birddog1]

And he would probably get axed to death.

Anything short of a head shot, will leave an assailant alive for long enough to deliver a knife or swing an axe. I believe the line is 20'. If he's closer than 20', even with a lethal shot, you'll get axed or knifed.

I still like my chances better in a gun vs axe match over a bare hand vs axe match. I am guessing his aim might be off a bit and his swing a little weak after taking multiple 230 gr slugs.

[BillBrown]

I still like my chances better in a gun vs axe match over a bare hand vs axe match. I am guessing his aim might be off a bit and his swing a little weak after taking multiple 230 gr slugs.

I would too.
I got this from a State Highway Patrol course I took.
The punchline was to shoot for the lower torso of such an attacker, hoping you'll hit a pelvic bone, which will cause a lower skeletal collapse and cause him to drop.

Ive never tried it and hope to hell I never have to:)

[camarozz]

Both the axe and the handgun are valid tools for getting the job done. But if I had the choice, it would be the gun; quicker, lighter and swinging anything let alone an axe, can be highly inaccurate.

two assumptions are going on here; the axe wielding maniac has not made his presence known, and the victim does not move at all. Either of which is possible, but not very likely.

20 feet? :)) in 20 feet I can empty my handgun at him, and if I were even 30% accurate, (hitting him vs not) the guy will no longer be a threat; and I still will be moving, side stepping or whatever it takes not to get hurt if he still does not stop completely.