Micheal Jackson 'foul play' ?????

[tblaze]

Why are we always looking to place the blame on anyone but ourselves ?

Seems to me, the logical story is Micheal Jackson was addicted to drugs, he overdosed or combined the wrong drugs causing his death. Open and shut case.

Trying to place the blame elsewhere is doing more harm than good, especially with the media coverage. Look at real patients with real pain problems, most doctors where I am at are afraid to prescribe pain meds for this very reason. They are afraid to get their license revoked and sued for prescribing anything that will help. I know there are non narcotic pain meds but they have far more side effects and cause more problems than the normal narcotic ones provide.

Real people in Real pain suffer because of all if this and because of the war on drugs which is a bad situation for those suffering.

[reasonmclucus]

what if his handlers were concerned that he wasn't physically able to fulfill his concert contract. If he attempted to drop out for "health" reasons he could have been sued. However, death would exempt him from the contract and would increase sale of his music allowing them to continue to have an income.

[jeepers]

He killed himself with drugs, and he had help to do it. Can't get the drugs without a lot of people dealing for you. Yep, I mean that how it sounds. Whatever medical personell were involved in this case, they agreed to deal to the guy.

I can also get behind manslaughter or even second degree murder if that doctor was infusing propofol in his home when he went into arrest. What I wont' get behind is some whacked out conspiracy theory that someone was out to kill him.

[Talk2Bill]

i heard it was Marlin Monroe and Elvis.

[tblaze]

He killed himself with drugs, and he had help to do it. Can't get the drugs without a lot of people dealing for you. Yep, I mean that how it sounds. Whatever medical personell were involved in this case, they agreed to deal to the guy.

I can also get behind manslaughter or even second degree murder if that doctor was infusing propofol in his home when he went into arrest. What I wont' get behind is some whacked out conspiracy theory that someone was out to kill him.


I don't agree with manslaughter charges, micheal is the sole person responsible for taking whatever, it was his choice, his fault, end of story. Especially since they say he had DR shopping down to a science. You have to be responsible for yourself. How many other drug addicts die and and it is an open and shut case ? Just because he is famous doesn't remove him from being responsible. Even when you get prescribed something don't you go home and look it up and see what the drug is all about before taking it ?

The only exception I believe in is if the Dr. was IV'ing the proponal or whatever it was I might be up for a charge. It is a dangerous drug not ever meant to be in public hands, so that could be considered negligence on the dr's part.

No conspiracy here.

[BillBrown]

I don't think there is enough known to even have an opinion about it.

[Bob_George]

Obviously David Rockefeller and the New World Order conspired to kill Michael Jackson. No joke, I heard Alex Jones (the new darling of conservatives) say he wouldn't be surprised if the CIA killed Michael. But I've heard the same from some Michael Jackson fans. Not that the CIA killed him, that takes a special kind of idiot, but just that he was murdered and that his death wasn't accidental.

Joe Jackson, Michael's father by blood only, is just trying to stir up more controversy about Michael's death so the publicity he's receiving continues for a little while longer. So he's suggesting 'foul play'. But I think the most reasonable explanation of MJ's death is a combination of prescription drugs, too much strenuous exercise, the stress of starting a 50-date concert series in a couple of weeks and his history of bad health.

[sgdp]

Obviously David Rockefeller and the New World Order conspired to kill Michael Jackson. No joke, I heard Alex Jones (the new darling of conservatives) say he wouldn't be surprised if the CIA killed Michael. But I've heard the same from some Michael Jackson fans. Not that the CIA killed him, that takes a special kind of idiot, but just that he was murdered and that his death wasn't accidental.

Joe Jackson, Michael's father by blood only, is just trying to stir up more controversy about Michael's death so the publicity he's receiving continues for a little while longer. So he's suggesting 'foul play'. But I think the most reasonable explanation of MJ's death is a combination of prescription drugs, too much strenuous exercise, the stress of starting a 50-date concert series in a couple of weeks and his history of bad health.

I believe it was La Toya who said the doctors conspired to kill MJ, too.

[jeepers]

I believe it was La Toya who said the doctors conspired to kill MJ, too.

LaToya is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

[sgdp]

LaToya is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Or just a grieving family member. This is very common in unexpected deaths like this.

[jeepers]

Or just a grieving family member. This is very common in unexpected deaths like this.

It's common to wonder what the hell happened. It's not common to automatically think that your deceased family member was murdered.

Such drama.

Btw, I worked in critical care for many years and dealt with many sudden and unexpected deaths. Can't think of a single one where people talked about foul play. Dealing with grieving family members was a common occurrence.

LaToya's response isn't common.

[Paul31]

Obviously David Rockefeller and the New World Order conspired to kill Michael Jackson. No joke, I heard Alex Jones (the new darling of conservatives) say he wouldn't be surprised if the CIA killed Michael. But I've heard the same from some Michael Jackson fans. Not that the CIA killed him, that takes a special kind of idiot, but just that he was murdered and that his death wasn't accidental.

Joe Jackson, Michael's father by blood only, is just trying to stir up more controversy about Michael's death so the publicity he's receiving continues for a little while longer. So he's suggesting 'foul play'. But I think the most reasonable explanation of MJ's death is a combination of prescription drugs, too much strenuous exercise, the stress of starting a 50-date concert series in a couple of weeks and his history of bad health.
That Alex Jones is a real idiot. Why the Hell would the CIA want to kill Jackson?

[EnchantedFrog]

"Foul" is a word that is a natural fit when it is associated with Michael Jackson.

[5thIDSoldier]

It's Bush's fault. Has to be.

[uncledoom]

The two nuttiest people over there (Joe and LaToya) are crying foul play....no big surprise here.

[DLaw911]

He killed himself with drugs, and he had help to do it. Can't get the drugs without a lot of people dealing for you. Yep, I mean that how it sounds. Whatever medical personell were involved in this case, they agreed to deal to the guy.

I can also get behind manslaughter or even second degree murder if that doctor was infusing propofol in his home when he went into arrest. What I wont' get behind is some whacked out conspiracy theory that someone was out to kill him.But do you know where Tom Snedden was when MJ died? Remember, "Dom Sheldon is a cold man."

You never know!

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

He killed himself with drugs, and he had help to do it. Can't get the drugs without a lot of people dealing for you. Yep, I mean that how it sounds. Whatever medical personell were involved in this case, they agreed to deal to the guy.

I can also get behind manslaughter or even second degree murder if that doctor was infusing propofol in his home when he went into arrest. What I wont' get behind is some whacked out conspiracy theory that someone was out to kill him.

+1 :clap: Exactly Jeepers....

I believe the OP was trying to use the word 'culpability'...Micheal used the medical field like a 7-11...that shouldn't have happened. Laws were bent to provide a service that ultimately killed MJ. Doctors have the heavy weight of patient care, responsibility to their patients to create no harm in the treatments they prescribe..and follow the regulatory laws of said practice.

Micheal sought out pharmaceutical drugs to alleviate whatever 'pain' he thought he was in. It took a doctor ...or a slue of doctor's ...who could prescribe medications ...placing him on various types of pain medication. One problem with that...no one doctor was monitoring all the drugs and all the medical care MJ was supposedly receiving. Whatever doctor gave in (for reason's of money I would imagine) and gave MJ prophofol had to know he would be in deep dookie if ever found out. If there is a cover up..it's in this one point of MJ's death.

Manslaughter...seems light to me. Any doctor should have known the causative factors of using this medication in home without medical support waiting in the wings. It spelled disaster from the inception of the idea to even use such a drug for sleep. :rolleyes:

Micheal was allowed to request and receive whatever pharmaceuticals he wanted...that is on him. That some doctors gave into his wants due to money..that's on them; and they should be made to pay legally for whatever their part in his death was created due to their ultimate greed. Just my opinion...

~Mysty

[notluzn]

MJ killed himself but being a stupid druggie. O Well

[reasonmclucus]

+1 :clap: Exactly Jeepers....

I believe the OP was trying to use the word 'culpability'...Micheal used the medical field like a 7-11...that shouldn't have happened. Laws were bent to provide a service that ultimately killed MJ. Doctors have the heavy weight of patient care, responsibility to their patients to create no harm in the treatments they prescribe..and follow the regulatory laws of said practice.

Micheal sought out pharmaceutical drugs to alleviate whatever 'pain' he thought he was in. It took a doctor ...or a slue of doctor's ...who could prescribe medications ...placing him on various types of pain medication. One problem with that...no one doctor was monitoring all the drugs and all the medical care MJ was supposedly receiving. Whatever doctor gave in (for reason's of money I would imagine) and gave MJ prophofol had to know he would be in deep dookie if ever found out. If there is a cover up..it's in this one point of MJ's death.

Manslaughter...seems light to me. Any doctor should have known the causative factors of using this medication in home without medical support waiting in the wings. It spelled disaster from the inception of the idea to even use such a drug for sleep. :rolleyes:

Micheal was allowed to request and receive whatever pharmaceuticals he wanted...that is on him. That some doctors gave into his wants due to money..that's on them; and they should be made to pay legally for whatever their part in his death was created due to their ultimate greed. Just my opinion...

~Mysty

Such a situation creates an opportunity for someone to feel he or she can get away with murder. Most murders involve associates or family members. Associates can include disgruntled employees or business "partners".

LAPD needs to ask did any of his entourage have a motive for killing him? Might someone outside with a grudge have paid someone inside, with a need for money, to kill Jackson? The beneficiaries of his will, including the executors would have a motive considering the size of the estate.


The LA coroner's office has issued a subpoena for his medical records which could indicate more than just an interest in what medication he was taking.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/la-coroner-issues-subpoenas-for-medical-records-from-multiple-michael-jackson-doctors.html

conflicting news reports deal with Jackson's health some say he was completely healthy others have doubts.

http://www.fresnobee.com/columnists/hanson/story/1528357.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=5159680#Comments_Container

[Army Wife]

It's Bush's fault. Has to be.

.......odd I heard it from a caller to Al Sharpton's show that it was Sarah Palin who did it... (yes I am serious as a heart attack - some ditzy broad actually called in and claimed SP did it)

[jeepers]

Such a situation creates an opportunity for someone to feel he or she can get away with murder. Most murders involve associates or family members. Associates can include disgruntled employees or business "partners".

LAPD needs to ask did any of his entourage have a motive for killing him? Might someone outside with a grudge have paid someone inside, with a need for money, to kill Jackson? The beneficiaries of his will, including the executors would have a motive considering the size of the estate.


The LA coroner's office has issued a subpoena for his medical records which could indicate more than just an interest in what medication he was taking.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/la-coroner-issues-subpoenas-for-medical-records-from-multiple-michael-jackson-doctors.html

conflicting news reports deal with Jackson's health some say he was completely healthy others have doubts.

http://www.fresnobee.com/columnists/hanson/story/1528357.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=5159680#Comments_Container

I don't think that you're reading what you're linking to. Ther eis nothing in either article that suggests foul play like 'premeditated murder'. They are indeed investigating the crap out of this because they want to know who prescribed what drugs and when becuase like both Mysty and I are trying to tell you, there were obviously more than a few doctors who were willing to 'push' for the man.

And if they can figure out where the hell that Diprivan came from, someone's ass is serioiusly in a sling.

But first degree "I'm killing you because I want you dead' murder?

Show me something specific or spare me.

[jeepers]

Btw, few Elvis fans wanted to hear that he died of an overdose on the toilet, either.

[DLaw911]

MJ killed himself by being a stupid druggie. O WellYou mean just like smokers kill themselves by becoming nicotine addicts, or drinkers do the same by destroying their livers leading to death. They are all drugs.

[gdoane]

You mean just like smokers kill themselves by becoming nicotine addicts, or drinkers do the same by destroying their livers leading to death. They are all drugs.

Are you seriously suggesting that these smokers and boozers intended to kill themselves?

Most smokers don't know any better. The average age of first use for a smoker is under 14 years old. They weren't thinking about death, they weren't even mature enough to think about buying a car for pity's sake.

If these decisions were informed and generally made by adults rather than children, I'd be inclined to agree with your take but my experience with reality makes me take the viewpoint that while the decision is bad, it's not being made fully informed by mature adults either.

[reasonmclucus]

I don't think that you're reading what you're linking to. Ther eis nothing in either article that suggests foul play like 'premeditated murder'. They are indeed investigating the crap out of this because they want to know who prescribed what drugs and when becuase like both Mysty and I are trying to tell you, there were obviously more than a few doctors who were willing to 'push' for the man.

And if they can figure out where the hell that Diprivan came from, someone's ass is serioiusly in a sling.

But first degree "I'm killing you because I want you dead' murder?

Show me something specific or spare me.

Anytime there is a death that doesn't appear to be from natural causes, the police need to investigate the possibility of murder.

As an cop show viewer knows, proving Mr. X killed **** Robin requires demonstrating means, motive and opportunity. If Diprivan caused Jackson's death then he provided the means. Anyone with access to it and him would have had an opportunity -- a doctor who would illegally prescribe such dangerous drug illegally might accept money to kill.

Whether or not someone had a motive requires a police investigation of all of those close to him and particularly those who might potentially profit from his death including those who might be beneficiaries or executors of a will. If his business associates felt he would be unable to fulfill his contract they might have considered murdering him via a drug overdose to be a "good business" decision.

A professional killer almost got away with the perfect crime here several years ago. EMT's found a man apparently dead from falling and striking his head on a basement staircase. Unfortunately, for the killer the pathologist x-rayed the man's head and discovered the "bruise" was actually the entry wound from a 22 bullet.

Michael Jackson's death is of a suspicious nature and should be treated as such until the police can determine whether it was negligent homicide or murder one.

[gb2004]

According to TMZ, the police are now treating it like a homicide.

[DLaw911]

Are you seriously suggesting that these smokers and boozers intended to kill themselves?No more than MJ intended to kill himself.
Most smokers don't know any better. The average age of first use for a smoker is under 14 years old. They weren't thinking about death, they weren't even mature enough to think about buying a car for pity's sake.

If these decisions were informed and generally made by adults rather than children, I'd be inclined to agree with your take but my experience with reality makes me take the viewpoint that while the decision is bad, it's not being made fully informed by mature adults either.I agree. I was only responding to the assertion that MJ killed himself by being a druggie and I was pointing out that there are legal drugs, illegal drugs, and abused drugs. He had a physical addiction just like alcoholics and smokers have.
too bad the addiction was not to less dangerous drugs.

[reasonmclucus]

According to TMZ, the police are now treating it like a homicide.

It doesn't appear to be the type of drug that could be self administered so they about have to call it a homicide. The only question is if it is murder one.