Say NO to Socialized Medicine!

[suec]

I've been listening to Mark make several comments on health care. Just want to correct a few of those comments. People who qualify for Medicare with a disability MUST wait 29 months before they are qualified for Medicare health coverage. (There are a few exceptions, but those are very few) How do I know this? My husband has terminal cancer, and is on Medicare disability.

We now pay over $1K, yes, you read it right, over $1000.00 a month for our health insurance. That DOES NOT include the over $300.00 per month my employer pays. Health insurance does get much higher as we age, especially if you work for a small business, or are self-employed. But...WE BUDGET FOR IT! No big house or new cars, no fancy vacations, we choose to pay for our health insurance!

But...with all this being said, if we had Obamacare when my husband was diagnosed with his cancer (2 years ago) I believe he would be DEAD now! He would have been considered too high risk for the aggresive treatment he received, ie: over the age of 55 and overweight. Although he is terminal, he is living a quality life and enjoying our 5 children and nine grandchildren.

Last, but not least...Obama, keep your filthy government hands off my healthcare!!!!

Any comments???

[polearch]

I've been listening to Mark make several comments on health care. Just want to correct a few of those comments. People who qualify for Medicare with a disability MUST wait 29 months before they are qualified for Medicare health coverage. (There are a few exceptions, but those are very few) How do I know this? My husband has terminal cancer, and is on Medicare disability.

We now pay over $1K, yes, you read it right, over $1000.00 a month for our health insurance. That DOES NOT include the over $300.00 per month my employer pays. Health insurance does get much higher as we age, especially if you work for a small business, or are self-employed. But...WE BUDGET FOR IT! No big house or new cars, no fancy vacations, we choose to pay for our health insurance!

But...with all this being said, if we had Obamacare when my husband was diagnosed with his cancer (2 years ago) I believe he would be DEAD now! He would have been considered too high risk for the aggresive treatment he received, ie: over the age of 55 and overweight. Although he is terminal, he is living a quality life and enjoying our 5 children and nine grandchildren.

Last, but not least...Obama, keep your filthy government hands off my healthcare!!!!

Any comments???
you are being brainwashed by some media. I am a Canadian and i would not change it for your American system. You are listening to people who do not know what they are talking about. Sure there are some that fall through the cracks sometimes. Just like the American system. But we are all covered here medically. In the US there are 40 million people wish they had medical insurance .

[suec]

Troll!

[rightside]

you are being brainwashed by some media. I am a Canadian and i would not change it for your American system. You are listening to people who do not know what they are talking about. Sure there are some that fall through the cracks sometimes. Just like the American system. But we are all covered here medically. In the US there are 40 million people wish they had medical insurance .


Is that why working Canadians are coming to America to get healthcare that Canada will not provide , the only way Canada will have better healthcare is if Obamacare passes, I will trade you Obama for Harper , Obama would have a rule that you can't leave your Country for treatment .

[dwestcorp]

Tiny Tim Cratchit would have died under Ebanezer Obama Health Care plan.
Is Obama anti life or just anti American.
I urge all congress to vote against Obama Health Care Plan, it has not worked in Canada, France or England or any other country that has tried it, if you had cancer would you like to go without medications that could extend your life and time with your family and friends.
Older Americans deserve the right to die with dignity, not in a Hospice, if it is not of there choosing.

[egs21]

I've been listening to Mark make several comments on health care. Just want to correct a few of those comments. People who qualify for Medicare with a disability MUST wait 29 months before they are qualified for Medicare health coverage. (There are a few exceptions, but those are very few) How do I know this? My husband has terminal cancer, and is on Medicare disability.

We now pay over $1K, yes, you read it right, over $1000.00 a month for our health insurance. That DOES NOT include the over $300.00 per month my employer pays. Health insurance does get much higher as we age, especially if you work for a small business, or are self-employed. But...WE BUDGET FOR IT! No big house or new cars, no fancy vacations, we choose to pay for our health insurance!

But...with all this being said, if we had Obamacare when my husband was diagnosed with his cancer (2 years ago) I believe he would be DEAD now! He would have been considered too high risk for the aggresive treatment he received, ie: over the age of 55 and overweight. Although he is terminal, he is living a quality life and enjoying our 5 children and nine grandchildren.

Last, but not least...Obama, keep your filthy government hands off my healthcare!!!!

Any comments???

I have no idea what the best solution for healthcare is, but I will say this: No matter how hard you budget, if healthcare and insurance costs continue to rise by 6-9% annually and continue to outpace both inflation and real wages, all the budgeting in the world won't matter because eventually you won't be able to afford it. This is not debatable. Cost are rising too fast and it is not sustainable. If the GOP has a alternative idea (besides keeping the current broken system) then they need to come forth with it. I haven't heard of any detailed plans from the GOP, only their criticisms of the Dems plan.

[billevans242]

But first I would like to thank Mr. Levin for his outstanding views on american freedom, the constitution of this country, and his fight for the conservative values that have made this country so great! I am a student at a medical school here in Houston and one of my instructors is an obama/ohprah loving liberal who from time to time enjoys sharing her political love for these two and I as a reagan conservative have to sit and listen to it and of course respect her opinions as do all republications, but when it comes time for me to share my views on this health care debate, my opinions are always interrupted with negative remarks like "you will never get a medical job if our presidents' bill doesn't get passed" and so forth. This type of insults go on even on my facebook site as my opinions of Palins' illigitamite grandbaby are brought up. I come from parents who taught me that a child has to have a father and mother to receive a legitamate name or it is considered "bastard". This type of comment nevers comes across in a right way to my liberal friends, should I be bothered by this? Having liberals in office give off the wrong signals to our countrymen and women, and so if this healthcare plan goes into effect, I am afraid that many of us will suffer before this administration is through. Thank you again Mark for a wonderful book and for you being a great american.

[USAFgrVet]

Here is an example of socialistic medicine. An employee who will be un-named went to his homeland country due to the death of his mother. He met up with his siblings. While there, he and his siblings contracted the dreaded Swine Flue. The siblings received a mild case. Our employee on the other hand did not. He is currenlty hospitalized in his homeland but not for medicine as it is too expensive due to the large out-breaks. He is in the hospital to let the flu run it's course and to keep him hydrated. No medicine just an IV bag. His doctor who is in the States cannot prescribe anything as he is in a foriegn country. Many people have died and will die when it comes to the decision of the government of who and what treatment if any a person will get. This bill is a matter of life and death and is designed to take our rights away and erode the private health care industry away.

The economy took a killing on the auto industry which was the bread and butter of the stated and of our city. What has helped us keep some posture has been and currently is the health care industry. Our hospitals have expanded and continue to grow. If the Obama plan comes into play, say goodbye to private practices, goodbye Priority Health, goodbye Blue Care, just say goodbye to all heatlh organizations as this plan will kill it. It forces people into government plans. Companies will no longer offer health care because anyone who does not have health care when the bill comes into affect cannot join a private health care plan. The cost for the companies would be large so they will not offer insurance, so you would fall to the government controlled plan. I ask, Obama, where is our choice to choose? What about our right to remain in our exhisting plan? What you fail to tell us is that your actions will force all private plans to close. This is the opening of pandora's box.

I say to all...get involved. Email your friends, family, etc...tell them to call and or write their senators and representatives now and not later. If you question this...then research and read on.

I am a Vet, I was in a war, I fought and stood for the rights and freedoms of others. This bill goes against all that I and my fellow Americans fought for. For the sake of our freedom, vote no on this bill. Get involved. May God Bless America and all that she stands for.

[RainbowGal5652]

I agree wholehearetdly. Listening to Mark Levin, on Friday, I heard that our elderly, even those over 65, will be targeted to be denied healthcare. Also,
children born with disabilities, such as CP and other chronic health problems.
I myself am 52 yrs old and in need of 2-3 joint replacements. Where does this leave me? We need to pay attention and let our representatives know how we feel, or we are in danger of losing all of our rights!

[jobu55]

if the repubs dont vote for health care they should give up there
goverment health care
what are thay saying it's good for them but not us
what a joke the party of no is

[mamapajamas]

you are being brainwashed by some media. I am a Canadian and i would not change it for your American system. You are listening to people who do not know what they are talking about. Sure there are some that fall through the cracks sometimes. Just like the American system. But we are all covered here medically. In the US there are 40 million people wish they had medical insurance .

(sigh!) Is that bogus "40 million" number STILL floating around?

When you eliminate illegal aliens, young people who'd rather have a new car than health insurance, people temporarily between jobs (not layoffs, but rather people who are in the process of transferring from one job to another), and freakin' MILLIONAIRS who DON'T NEED insurance coverage, the number is closer to about 15 million. Why on earth should I pay for Bill Gates' medical coverage when he can write a freakin' CHECK to pay for his medical bills???

15 million in a nation of 360 million.

And MOST of those 15 million people already qualify for Medicare or Medicaid, but haven't enrolled for whatever reasons of their own.

The "40 million" thing is totally bogus, like the "3 million homeless" during the Reagan Administration that turned out to be actually 300,000. Oooops... somebody goofed and moved the decimal! Turned out that "goof" was deliberate to make the situation look much worse than it actually was.

Further, we're talking about INSURANCE, not actual medical care.

It is illegal for any hospital to turn away a patient who shows up in the ER, no matter ability to pay.

[mamapajamas]

if the repubs dont vote for health care they should give up there
goverment health care
what are thay saying it's good for them but not us
what a joke the party of no is

If anyone votes FOR this boondoggle, they should be required to be the FIRST to sign up for it.

Oh-- wait-- someone actually came up with a resolution to require them to do exactly that, and Pelosi wouldn't even let it get to the floor for a vote.

Congresscritters have a "sweetheart" medical package, the likes of which you and I will NEVER see. If it came about as a private policy, you and I would never be able to afford it.

What on earth makes you think the same idiots who brought us Medicare and Medicaid can actually manage a health insurance system???????

[rightside]

(sigh!) Is that bogus "40 million" number STILL floating around?

When you eliminate illegal aliens, young people who'd rather have a new car than health insurance, people temporarily between jobs (not layoffs, but rather people who are in the process of transferring from one job to another), and freakin' MILLIONAIRS who DON'T NEED insurance coverage, the number is closer to about 15 million. Why on earth should I pay for Bill Gates' medical coverage when he can write a freakin' CHECK to pay for his medical bills???

15 million in a nation of 360 million.

And MOST of those 15 million people already qualify for Medicare or Medicaid, but haven't enrolled for whatever reasons of their own.

The "40 million" thing is totally bogus, like the "3 million homeless" during the Reagan Administration that turned out to be actually 300,000. Oooops... somebody goofed and moved the decimal! Turned out that "goof" was deliberate to make the situation look much worse than it actually was.

Further, we're talking about INSURANCE, not actual medical care.

It is illegal for any hospital to turn away a patient who shows up in the ER, no matter ability to pay.


And don't forget the SCHIP program which covers a Family of four who make up to eighty eight thousand dollars a year.


Obamas health plan will kill Senior citizens and re-distribute their money for Illegal aliens.

[polearch]

I agree that some Canadians do go to the states because of some waiting times but most time it is people that do not want to wait. Most of it is for joints or hip replacement. Not much life threatening cases. In life or death situations you are attended to right away as this has happened to me with Congestive Heart Failure. We do not have people here losing their homes cause the medical bills are so high as i have personally seen in the U.S. Also the unemployed and the very poor are looked after also. There is no one without medical care:exclaim:

[polearch]

It is true that it is illegal to turn some-one away from the emergency room if they have no insurance and some hospitals also close cause they can not afford to keep it up. They do not get enough government grants.

[rightside]

It is true that it is illegal to turn some-one away from the emergency room if they have no insurance and some hospitals also close cause they can not afford to keep it up. They do not get enough government grants.


No money ,no service for Illega laliens, the ycome and close hospitals down and stop quality care , deport all Illegal Aliens.

[rightside]

I agree that some Canadians do go to the states because of some waiting times but most time it is people that do not want to wait. Most of it is for joints or hip replacement. Not much life threatening cases. In life or death situations you are attended to right away as this has happened to me with Congestive Heart Failure. We do not have people here losing their homes cause the medical bills are so high as i have personally seen in the U.S. Also the unemployed and the very poor are looked after also. There is no one without medical care:exclaim:


Canada will gain tourism if Obama care passes, and canadians won't have any place to go for their drugs tha tthe government does'nt cover ,or for specialist . Obamacare is Communism.

[Andee]

Betsy McCoy is one of the few who have read the new House Healthcare Bill and as such, she is doing what she can to alert everyone and thus, I am passing on a few of her comments. She was interviewed by Fred Thompson and she will be posting to his website is my understanding. I am not sure of her web address but believe she said: www.defendyourhealthcare.com.us (http://www.defendyourhealthcare.com.us)

The money O says he will save is from taking away medical treatment for the elderly..coming straight out of budgeted funds for them and to the tune of $500 billion! On page 425 of this bill, paraphrased: Every five years, every senior will go in for a consultation. This will teach them how to end their lives for the betterment of society (this means your mom and dad, grandparents, etc.), through how to decline nutrition, liquids and enter into Hospice care which most of us know what doom and gloom that is!

It wants to employ the British Comparative Effectiveness Research tools based on the birthday. Example is: macular degeneration; a new drug is out that will halt the onslaught of this condition, however, you cannot get help until you are blind in that eye! Absurd!

Pushing and heading this is the brother of Emmanuel Rahm in O's cabinet..should have been up on this one! He says, incurable or irreversible conditions should not get basic healthcare! Nice guy huh?

On pages 16 and 17, it is noted that you will not, that is right, will not keep your private insurance but you will be faced with very high taxation for a lot less healthcare even for those middle aged and younger!

This is a nasty bill and you need to tell all you know, call/email your legislators not once, but many, many times to kill this bill and kill it now before it kills those that you love the most...your parents, elderly relatives, etc.

It is also rumored that they will be going after the disabled and that includes our vets! Of all the atrocities!

This administration needs to go and we all should be calling for Pelosi to step down and now. Tell your legislators, they do not stand up against her and this bill, they will not be returned to office...this gets their attention..then follow through in 2010 in appropriate.

Thank you.

[Andee]

No money ,no service for Illega laliens, the ycome and close hospitals down and stop quality care , deport all Illegal Aliens.
Great thoughts.............is there a reason the Mexicans, illegals that is, are being given all for free while he intends to kill the seniors?

[Andee]

Not only that, we pay for great insurances for our legislators, they do not pay a dime for it nor for their retirement which is usually in the milions.

[rightside]

Great thoughts.............is there a reason the Mexicans, illegals that is, are being given all for free while he intends to kill the seniors?


Yes, to gain absolute power and turn America into a Communist Country.

[Cathy A. Kelleher]

Your thoughts on Socialized Medicine are shared by many of us! Moreover, we, as American citizens must at this critical time step up and take back control of our destiny.

Please go to www.9/12dc.org (http://www.9/12dc.org) and get the word out. We have a flyer that we are circulating throughout the US and would love to have someone from every single community in America help us get the word out.

Tell your friends and neighbors to BE in DC on 9/12! Numbers do matter! Lets show the White House and the Media once and for all that we are Mad as Hell and we aren't going to take it anymore!

Cathy

[brianks2000]

I totally agree if this Health care reform is going to be shoved down our throats, then The health care for Government employees including the President and his family have to be the first to sign up. This should be a mandatory addendum to the bill!!!

They should not have a problem with it right!, if so why? and then the american people should say sorry, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. SIGN UP AS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, or else we will fine you repeadly till you do.

[Edmee777]

I am a 67 yr old Health Care Social Worker. I have to add that for a paraplegic friend and for many of my elderly patients as well, the Health Care Reform bill commandeered by the Pelosi, Reid, Obama mob, excuse me, team....is terrifying them. Please research the details they won't talk about. Details that disabled and elderly people feel, sends them out on an ice flow to die, like the myth of the olden days. Yes, excess is excess, but we must be very careful to not have what I am labeling, 'benign euthanasia' as is now written into this bill. When home health care is cut, when procedures are denied; as my friend fears would be to make his quality of life better and healthier, this is the result. Also, one point requires that the elderly and disabled be counseled every five years on end of life issues. The pressure is to "inform" them of the high cost of their continuing life.
Friend has high anxiety going into this battle for his life as does many of my patients as they are reading the details of the Health Care Reform being proposed and it scares the daylights out of them. He is a classic case of what the Health Care Reform would not do for him and he knows it. He made the comment to me that "I'd better get these procedures now as if the Reform goes forward, they will deny it in the future." This hospitalization and procedures (under his current Medicare and Medicaid) will prevent further infections, exhaustion, malnutrition, dehydration and an excrutiatingly painful death. He can live a very productive life at the wheelchair level, taking care of his grandchildren, return to his independence, and continue to drive his truck that he outfitted with a winch that lifts his wheelchair out of the back of the truck, swings it around to the driver side door...he lifts himself out of the driver seat and onto the wheelchair. Once seated he can push buttons to get the winch back in place until he returns and then reverses the process. It is amazing to watch. Please visualize this process and then call all your congressmen/women and tell them you do not want the current Health Care reform. Then, be sure to watch the next one as sly people don't just stop...they will continue, as the value of life is slim for some...Pelosi, Reid Obama, etc are NOT PRO LIFE!!
The priority list just published by CDC for the flu vaccine is further proof....over 65 isn't even on the list...with their own dubious explanations of course.

[windstar3x3]

Your nations financial future and a healthcare system that mirrors the last centuries Germany looms large. The political tactics employed to effect it is little better than the brownshirts of back then and getting worse.

Posturing of good economic news is far more sinister than it seems, misreporting housing as way up has sinister ulterior motives. People got together with Obama's constant drum beat of it's 'gonna get worse before it gets better' and the Marxist medicine bill went down in defeat. Then demorats pulled a fast one in convincing people that the bill would not come up again for months causing many to let down their guard. Just like 'magic' Obama is NOW going on an everyday Crusade to get his Marxist medicine bill passed quickly, the news mentioned daily town hall meetings. Take note that at this very place and time the demorats are using their stooges in the media to proclaim an end to the recession and of course with happy, happy, happy, la, la, la days back, there's no need to oppose the Marxist medicine bill this time ! Expect the Passing of the Marxist medicine bill to be like a bolt of lightning hitting. It's all so simple, tell a few lies and add a bunch of unsuspecting fools, whom you can tell them what they want to hear, and then hit 'em with a sucker punch T.K.O. Reminds me of ole slick willy sucker punching Elian Gonzales relatives who were care takers of Elian. You'd think some people would be punch drunk the way the demorats keep using the old play book over and over so much, and yet they remain, every time, utterly clueless. Of course immediately after the Marxist medicine bill passes they then announce that the mysterious instant recession announcement was all a mistake, bend over and grab yer ankles suckers !
Scotty: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice SHAME ON ME.
It just shouldn't be this easy for them.

...........................


Obama said recently that he wanted the bill to pass because its what the people want. Of course the liar is ignoring the demorats that have been openly dismayed at the anger of their constituents when they went home. Obama is trying to say, People blame yourselves when we pass this legislation by hook or by crook. He/they really think they are gonna get a pass on getting burned for this.

[Once a Marine]

Our President & his cronies wants to "Thin the Herd".Get rid of the seniors & Abort thousands of babies.Employe lots of folks in the Gov. run health care system,like the UK.The UK's largest employer is there Gov.Health Care System with 1.4 million employees.

[Once a Marine]

I think history is repeating itself,Germany in the 1920's & 30's!

[Once a Marine]

I think the whole admin.should step down.I think that the elections in 2010 may be corrupted,that is why all or most of the Dem.Congress folks are so brazen about Obama care.Kind of makes you think,you may have a election like the one Iran just had.

[Once a Marine]

Look how the Gov.Manages The U.S.Postal Service & the V.A.,as for Mr.Obama and The speaker of the house,they act more like Represenitives of the former Soviet Union,than Americans.

[Joshua6556]

After your done stopping health care reform because it leads to socialism will you continue your fight against other socialism programs the USA funds. Like schools (if you can't afford school you shouldn't go) why am I paying for your kids education. Stop Medicare, Medicaid and the veterans hospitals please it cost way to much and does not work...it can't work because it's socialized medicine ran by the government. Than people over 65 can get a private insurance policy that they deserve and will treat them so much better. No more Police, Firefighters,Military,Emergency services. If you want your city safe hire a guard company. Out with Libraries.. want a book buy one! And any other program funded buy our tax dollars. Just think of what a great world we could live in. Come on you grassroots movers and shakers make it happen. Just scream a little louder!!!!!! I can not afford health care but I am healthy and I live in Miami. I will be fine its only a few hour boat ride to Cuba to be seen by a doctor for free. Lol its less time for the trip than the wait would be in the emergency room here. You are great people keep up the good work
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[Joshua6556]

It is like when Gore won Florida a few years ago. Elections must be rigged.

[jmadison7]

Your thoughts on Socialized Medicine are shared by many of us! Moreover, we, as American citizens must at this critical time step up and take back control of our destiny.

Please go to www.9/12dc.org (http://www.9/12dc.org) and get the word out. We have a flyer that we are circulating throughout the US and would love to have someone from every single community in America help us get the word out.

Tell your friends and neighbors to BE in DC on 9/12! Numbers do matter! Lets show the White House and the Media once and for all that we are Mad as Hell and we aren't going to take it anymore!

Cathy


Dear Cathy,

For some reason your link is not working.

Did you mean the page with Mr. Beck on it? "We The People...?" That is, the 9.12 Project Network? Well I think you can get to it from there.

I am thinking the original link was

912dc.org/ (http://912dc.org/)

The way it is programed, well you just have to cut and paste it or type it w/o the www. Perhaps b/c you are supposed to get to that page through the other site I spoke of.

The other link you can use to get to it is the one I first state:

http://wesurroundthemusa.ning.com/

[jmadison7]

Is that why working Canadians are coming to America to get healthcare that Canada will not provide , the only way Canada will have better healthcare is if Obamacare passes, I will trade you Obama for Harper , Obama would have a rule that you can't leave your Country for treatment .


So not so. Millions of folks in the UK, Canada, Sweden, etc would love to have our system, particularly when and if they were to find they were seriously ill. We in the US are in a position to work hard on maintaining what we in healthcare call "best practices." This gets tougher to do in a universal/socialized system, where, it invariably will become the only real game in town pretty much. In fact, I just read an article that spoke of foks in England scrapping monies to bypass their system and obtain private health insurance.

What's more, the death rate for certain cancers in UK, for example, is that of third world nations--no where near ours. Cancer is still a great threat to all people of all ages--as high as the population of growing elderly and those that don't look to do healthier things, like fish and just plain ole eating lower on the food chain, and employing vigorous 30 minute exercise on a daily basis--to a lower but still significant portion of our population of transplant patients that must take immunosuppressants for life and so that puts them at a much higher risk for cancers. I am critical care RN that has worked in a major pediatric heart/lung transplant center. Yes, these kids, as well as other transplanted patients, are at higher risk for many things, and one such disease process is cancer.


What's more, we are a nation of > 300 million people and growing. What other, significantly less populated nations are struggling to "have" is mathematically impossible here in the USA without severe taxation across the board. Surely it will come should this horrendous bill get a majority--and even with that kind of taxation, which will completely destroy our economic survival, as well as severe controls and denials (phrased differently by politicians and bureaucrats of course, b/c politically they will have to say that "all" are covered) and delays and severe limits will be inevitable.

Besides the serious governmental overstepping--led in my view by the failure of folks to truly know and understand in general much less depth things like the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, and The Federalist Papers--absolutely essential for understanding the purpose, application and the good of our system of government (which is all about limiting government and not allowing it to become our economic and healthcare controllers)--the whole bill just sn't feasible. It is basically a matter of pragmatics. For even if Obama and other do go back on various promises they used in the campaign, and now in their attempts to pull people toward a "buy-in" quality coverage for the bulk of most Americans if not all will be lost--and at a very high rate of taxation and a great loss of our freedoms. Things like time-sensitive treatments and diagnostics and follow-ups and all forms of "best practices" will unquestionably be compromised. I've beg some of these folks to tell me how, pragmatically speaking, they will not be compromised. And I certainly didn't here anything detailed, enlightening, specific, or clear from Mr. Specter in PA.

I am waiting for the spin to die down from the far left so that I can hear about the devil in the details. Read as we might, does anyone see specifics in application. And how do the numbers really add up????

So, even if daddy government does jerk us up to a 50-60% or > taxation (of which I would gladly die before I would care to see it), how in God's Green Earth will they STILL NOT HAVE TO LIMIT, deny, delay, or somehow otherwise ration and exclude care?

How so for this particular population?

Is anyone really serious or truly realistic about that? I demand to see some details on actual application--and no fuzzy mathematics--and not some idiotic and ridiculous flow chart!

[jmadison7]

I am sorry. Somehow I quoted the wrong person. Somehow my actions timed out here. ???scratching head???

I was quoting from the person that was attempting to tell us how wonderful the Canadian system is over that in the US.

[jmadison7]

It is true that it is illegal to turn some-one away from the emergency room if they have no insurance and some hospitals also close cause they can not afford to keep it up. They do not get enough government grants.


Yes, if the hospital gets a lot of government money, indigent care is mandated. It is not always great, but it is a sight better than those in other countries see for their indigent population.

What's more, a lot of folks w/o healthcare coverage that could get coverage simply don't both doing so. I have seen this with a fair enough percentage of folks in their 20's or even 30s--yes, mostly single folks. But also w/ folks that have families. Most of us would not sleep at night if we knew our families were not covered. And there is a reason that college students must pay for health insurance upon registration unless they can show that they are already covered by the parents or themselves. So, why do you think the require that? The college kids that are covered have to read through the bill or their parents do, and then they have to sign that they have coverage. After that the amount of charge for it on their bill comes off. Most kids and even parents don't look closely enough or think to do so. So, I also wonder, especially with state schools, if those numbers from those kids' applications are counted into their state statistic. ????
But my point was, there are folks that do have access to healthcare coverage, but they don't care to sign-up for it. I know a half a dozen 20 something year olds that work for a subcontractor that allows then to make some reasonably good money. Enrollment time comes, they ignore filling it out.

[jmadison7]

Is that why working Canadians are coming to America to get healthcare that Canada will not provide , the only way Canada will have better healthcare is if Obamacare passes, I will trade you Obama for Harper , Obama would have a rule that you can't leave your Country for treatment .


So not so. Millions of folks in the UK, Canada, Sweden, etc would love to have our system, particularly when and if they were to find they were seriously ill. We in the US are in a position to work hard on maintaining what we in healthcare call "best practices." This gets tougher to do in a universal/socialized system, where, it invariably will become the only real game in town pretty much. In fact, I just read an article that spoke of foks in England scrapping monies to bypass their system and obtain private health insurance.

What's more, the death rate for certain cancers in UK, for example, is that of third world nations--no where near ours. Cancer is still a great threat to all people of all ages--as high as the population of growing elderly and those that don't look to do healthier things, like fish and just plain ole eating lower on the food chain, and employing vigorous 30 minute exercise on a daily basis--to a lower but still significant portion of our population of transplant patients that must take immunosuppressants for life and so that puts them at a much higher risk for cancers. I am critical care RN that has worked in a major pediatric heart/lung transplant center. Yes, these kids, as well as other transplanted patients, are at higher risk for many things, and one such disease process is cancer.


What's more, we are a nation of > 300 million people and growing. What other, significantly less populated nations are struggling to "have" is mathematically impossible here in the USA without severe taxation across the board. Surely it will come should this horrendous bill get a majority--and even with that kind of taxation, which will completely destroy our economic survival, as well as severe controls and denials (phrased differently by politicians and bureaucrats of course, b/c politically they will have to say that "all" are covered) and delays and severe limits will be inevitable.

Besides the serious governmental overstepping--led in my view by the failure of folks to truly know and understand in general much less depth things like the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, and The Federalist Papers--absolutely essential for understanding the purpose, application and the good of our system of government (which is all about limiting government and not allowing it to become our economic and healthcare controllers)--the whole bill just sn't feasible. It is basically a matter of pragmatics. For even if Obama and other do go back on various promises they used in the campaign, and now in their attempts to pull people toward a "buy-in" quality coverage for the bulk of most Americans if not all will be lost--and at a very high rate of taxation and a great loss of our freedoms. Things like time-sensitive treatments and diagnostics and follow-ups and all forms of "best practices" will unquestionably be compromised. I've beg some of these folks to tell me how, pragmatically speaking, they will not be compromised. And I certainly didn't here anything detailed, enlightening, specific, or clear from Mr. Specter in PA.

I am waiting for the spin to die down from the far left so that I can hear about the devil in the details. Read as we might, does anyone see specifics in application. And how do the numbers really add up????

So, even if daddy government does jerk us up to a 50-60% or > taxation (of which I would gladly die before I would care to see it), how in God's Green Earth will they STILL NOT HAVE TO LIMIT, deny, delay, or somehow otherwise ration and exclude care?

How so for this particular population?

Is anyone really serious or truly realistic about that? I demand to see some details on actual application--and no fuzzy mathematics--and not some idiotic and ridiculous flow chart!

[CHUG]

So not so. Millions of folks in the UK, Canada, Sweden, etc would love to have our system, particularly when and if they were to find they were seriously ill. We in the US are in a position to work hard on maintaining what we in healthcare call "best practices." This gets tougher to do in a universal/socialized system, where, it invariably will become the only real game in town pretty much. In fact, I just read an article that spoke of foks in England scrapping monies to bypass their system and obtain private health insurance.

What's more, the death rate for certain cancers in UK, for example, is that of third world nations--no where near ours. Cancer is still a great threat to all people of all ages--as high as the population of growing elderly and those that don't look to do healthier things, like fish and just plain ole eating lower on the food chain, and employing vigorous 30 minute exercise on a daily basis--to a lower but still significant portion of our population of transplant patients that must take immunosuppressants for life and so that puts them at a much higher risk for cancers. I am critical care RN that has worked in a major pediatric heart/lung transplant center. Yes, these kids, as well as other transplanted patients, are at higher risk for many things, and one such disease process is cancer.


What's more, we are a nation of > 300 million people and growing. What other, significantly less populated nations are struggling to "have" is mathematically impossible here in the USA without severe taxation across the board. Surely it will come should this horrendous bill get a majority--and even with that kind of taxation, which will completely destroy our economic survival, as well as severe controls and denials (phrased differently by politicians and bureaucrats of course, b/c politically they will have to say that "all" are covered) and delays and severe limits will be inevitable.

Besides the serious governmental overstepping--led in my view by the failure of folks to truly know and understand in general much less depth things like the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, and The Federalist Papers--absolutely essential for understanding the purpose, application and the good of our system of government (which is all about limiting government and not allowing it to become our economic and healthcare controllers)--the whole bill just sn't feasible. It is basically a matter of pragmatics. For even if Obama and other do go back on various promises they used in the campaign, and now in their attempts to pull people toward a "buy-in" quality coverage for the bulk of most Americans if not all will be lost--and at a very high rate of taxation and a great loss of our freedoms. Things like time-sensitive treatments and diagnostics and follow-ups and all forms of "best practices" will unquestionably be compromised. I've beg some of these folks to tell me how, pragmatically speaking, they will not be compromised. And I certainly didn't here anything detailed, enlightening, specific, or clear from Mr. Specter in PA.

I am waiting for the spin to die down from the far left so that I can hear about the devil in the details. Read as we might, does anyone see specifics in application. And how do the numbers really add up????

So, even if daddy government does jerk us up to a 50-60% or > taxation (of which I would gladly die before I would care to see it), how in God's Green Earth will they STILL NOT HAVE TO LIMIT, deny, delay, or somehow otherwise ration and exclude care?

How so for this particular population?

Is anyone really serious or truly realistic about that? I demand to see some details on actual application--and no fuzzy mathematics--and not some idiotic and ridiculous flow chart!


You must either be joking or delusional if you think millions of people in the UK would swap our healthservice for yours. The NHS may have many faults but for the vast majority of its patients it's there when you need it, and you don't get a hefty bill at the end of treatment that you hope your insurance will cover.

[KingDavid]

Obamacare will never happen in the United States of America. There are specific reasons for this that are simply too numerous to mention. Providence will not allow Obamacare, it's that simple. People are getting upset over nothing. The Democratics are their own worst enemies and even if we weren't changing the political paradigm in America by stopping their town halls in their tracks they'd turn against each other in a heartbeat. Some Democrats still listen to the voice of God and they'll never allow Obamacare.

[KingDavid]

You have to realize that just because something works well for one people does not mean it can be transposed to another people. America is a unique nation with a unique history and a unique set of problems. Most of the 47 million uninsured simply do not want healthcare coverage because they have dropped out of society wholesale, I speak of drug addicts, illegal immigrants, angry minorities, etc. I would challenge someone to show me an educated, working person who makes a good living and wants health insurance but can not get it. Even if you can show me, I am certain they will have other problems that they don't talk about which show why they can't get insurance.

[CHUG]

Oh I completely agree, the NHS system wouldn't work for the USA. The cost would be crippling.

I do find it amusing however that those who are opposed to healthcare reform in both our countries tend to point to the other system as a horror story of what might happen if the reformer get their way.

[CexEdgeld]

Yes it is a shame that anyone would purposely take someone elses work and say its their own. Its the same thing with other kinds of works, like writing of poetry and/or stories, it is something that is not right as it is taking credit away from the rightful one that should get the credit in the first place. _________________Young female drivers (http://bmwboy.blogsome.com/)

[patriciarnbsn]

if the repubs dont vote for health care they should give up there
goverment health care
what are thay saying it's good for them but not us
what a joke the party of no is

You have got to be kidding me! If your dems vote for this plan they should be forced to recieve it. Many have been asked at town hall meetings if they would take the government option only to skirt the question. Have you read the bill?? Do you want the government to have access to your bank account. Do you want them to offer you a pain pill instead of a pacemaker? (as suggested by elpresidente') The fact is if you need medical attention all emergenct rooms must provide it (I am a former ER/ICU nurse) and there are social workers available to assist if you cannot afford treatment or meds. There are free clinics. I know this because I have worked with the homeless. We have the absolute best medical care in the world. I have had patients from all over the world because the medications or treatments are not available in their homeland. The "party of no" has offered alternatives to this plan such as the ability to cross state lines to purchase insurance which would bring costs down (OB is against this). There are changes needed but this is way over the line and will change life as we know it. Obama keeps refering to "his" bill. Does he have a bill we're not aware of? Has he read the currnet bill? Judging by his comments I would have to say no unless he's just flat out lying (he would never do that). I'm sorry you feel this way because you will be in for a rude awakening. There is already a nursing shortage which will be magnified when the government decides to control the pay scale. I'm sure this will apply to our doctors also. And as far as his comment about doctors amputating a diabetics foot to make money:think: ?? That is done only as a last resort. I have NEVER witnessed such activity. I personaly had a family member in need of a lung transplant that had no insurance. John's Hopkins hospital did the transplant free of charge and she was treated no different than any patient with insurance. This bill is frightening and we should do everything in our power to stop it. PLEASE read the bill. The life of you and your loved ones will be dramaticaly affected............

[patriciarnbsn]

So not so. Millions of folks in the UK, Canada, Sweden, etc would love to have our system, particularly when and if they were to find they were seriously ill. We in the US are in a position to work hard on maintaining what we in healthcare call "best practices." This gets tougher to do in a universal/socialized system, where, it invariably will become the only real game in town pretty much. In fact, I just read an article that spoke of foks in England scrapping monies to bypass their system and obtain private health insurance.

What's more, the death rate for certain cancers in UK, for example, is that of third world nations--no where near ours. Cancer is still a great threat to all people of all ages--as high as the population of growing elderly and those that don't look to do healthier things, like fish and just plain ole eating lower on the food chain, and employing vigorous 30 minute exercise on a daily basis--to a lower but still significant portion of our population of transplant patients that must take immunosuppressants for life and so that puts them at a much higher risk for cancers. I am critical care RN that has worked in a major pediatric heart/lung transplant center. Yes, these kids, as well as other transplanted patients, are at higher risk for many things, and one such disease process is cancer.


What's more, we are a nation of > 300 million people and growing. What other, significantly less populated nations are struggling to "have" is mathematically impossible here in the USA without severe taxation across the board. Surely it will come should this horrendous bill get a majority--and even with that kind of taxation, which will completely destroy our economic survival, as well as severe controls and denials (phrased differently by politicians and bureaucrats of course, b/c politically they will have to say that "all" are covered) and delays and severe limits will be inevitable.

Besides the serious governmental overstepping--led in my view by the failure of folks to truly know and understand in general much less depth things like the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, and The Federalist Papers--absolutely essential for understanding the purpose, application and the good of our system of government (which is all about limiting government and not allowing it to become our economic and healthcare controllers)--the whole bill just sn't feasible. It is basically a matter of pragmatics. For even if Obama and other do go back on various promises they used in the campaign, and now in their attempts to pull people toward a "buy-in" quality coverage for the bulk of most Americans if not all will be lost--and at a very high rate of taxation and a great loss of our freedoms. Things like time-sensitive treatments and diagnostics and follow-ups and all forms of "best practices" will unquestionably be compromised. I've beg some of these folks to tell me how, pragmatically speaking, they will not be compromised. And I certainly didn't here anything detailed, enlightening, specific, or clear from Mr. Specter in PA.

I am waiting for the spin to die down from the far left so that I can hear about the devil in the details. Read as we might, does anyone see specifics in application. And how do the numbers really add up????

So, even if daddy government does jerk us up to a 50-60% or > taxation (of which I would gladly die before I would care to see it), how in God's Green Earth will they STILL NOT HAVE TO LIMIT, deny, delay, or somehow otherwise ration and exclude care?

How so for this particular population?

Is anyone really serious or truly realistic about that? I demand to see some details on actual application--and no fuzzy mathematics--and not some idiotic and ridiculous flow chart!


Thank you..........a voice of reason:hug:

[W.E.C.S.G]

Well, the cat is out of the bag - Snowe voted to keep the individual mandate so its very likely that she and the blue dogs will sell us out the Bacus bill or Wyden-Bennett fake compromises.....

http://townhall.com/blog/g/a14a2e37-3a56-4ad5-a5dc-b85d08474004?comments=true#comments

Stop the Individual Mandate and the whole bill will unravel for lack of funding and mandatory participation in the scheme!

Senator Bunning offered an Amendment in the Finance committee today to kill the Individual Mandate in the Bacus bill - it failed by 14-9 vote - a bad result for stopping Obamacare.....

All R except Snowe voted Against the Individual Mandate - now we know were they stand...

All D voted for it....of course

This is NOT a good result......If Snowe voted for it, then she is likely to vote for a Fake "compromise" bill with mandates.....and will vote for closure with D.....

Well, they cant hide now - they will push the defacto takeover with the Individual Mandate!

This is a very dangerous period because Nationalization will still occur even without an overt government run insurance plan like this "public option" provision everyone keeps fixating on - Wyden/Bennett and the Bacus bill are prime examples of this.

Here are the core elements what will be contained in the “health care reform compromise” after the so-called “public option” is in all likelihood dropped:


(a) Federal Regulation aka HEALTH CZAR/DEATH PANELS
(b) Employer/Individual Mandates aka NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE
(c) Government Subsidies aka MIDDLE CLASS MEDICAL WELFARE

With the Federal Government setting the rules, forcing everyone to participate, and is paying the bills for most of the middle class through subsidies how is this anything other than Nationalization?

Here is a great link from a CATO study by Micheal Cannon about how the takeover will work without a public option or COOP:


http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon

People need to be up in arms about this - they need to Flood Senator Snowe's email, etc to get her to change this vote NOW!

Also, the so-called "blue dogs" need to be targeted too - they need to know we are on to their support for a de facto takeover.....

We are in bad shape I fear, but at least we know what is going on now and can mount a reaction....

You have had several great articles and are leading the charge against the Obamacare Mandates - I just wish the rest of the conservative media would get a clue and catch on soon before its too late....

We should be attacking these Individual Mandates daily! Please continue to do your utmost to alert the conservative media and the GOP Senators and Represenatives about what is going on here with Obamacare!

This is the "bridge over" or foot in the water they need to get to fully socialized medicine!

[amabo]

One comment on the "Just Say No" phrase. America just could not say no to drugs and you won't be able to say no to public health care. Why? Because I think some of you are thinking free drugs!

[putputpanorama]

One comment on the "Just Say No" phrase. America just could not say no to drugs and you won't be able to say no to public health care. Why? Because I think some of you are thinking free drugs!

Now I know Canada makes good beer.

And other things I'm sure.