Suggestions to change the pansy "tea party" name?

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

So Stimulus Part Deux is going to be upon us soon. With so many people getting fed up with the endless spending perhaps now is the time to really rise up, and bring some moderates (and even liberals) with us.

It is becoming apparent that people are appreciating the politicians that are taking a stand, and people that were in the dark before are waking up to the reality that this administration is toxic to our economy and way of life.

I anticipate that there will be protests when the libs start yet another money/power/pet project grab. Enough is enough a long time ago.

But first, I think a little flippin' proactiveness might be in order, which is something the GOP seems to lack. I say, first ditch the "tea party" term. It's not time for tea, it's time for a full press revolt.

I have some ideas on renaming the protest, but I'd like to hear some creative ones from the forum members. We also need to get the GOP leadership dialed into the process. It's time to take it to the streets in an aggressive (nonviolent) way. It's time to be heard.

Thoughts?

(pansy meaning "sissy"...before I get thrown into TTTM)

[ddye]

I think that "rebranding" a movement that's supposed to be a grassroots movement smacks of corporatism, which is the opposite of what a grassroots movement is supposed to be.

Doug

[Sinister Rouge]

You clearly don't understand why it's called the Tea Party.
It's named after the Boston Tea Party, the humorous moniker we gave to an event in 1774 when some guys sneaked onto some East India Tea Company ships and tossed the cargo into Boston Harbor.

[Vaard]

You clearly don't understand why it's called the Tea Party.
It's named after the Boston Tea Party, the humorous moniker we gave to an event in 1774 when some guys sneaked onto some East India Tea Company ships and tossed the cargo into Boston Harbor.

well, it has nothing in common with the original tea parties.......


it actually is more like the whiskey rebellions that happned once the US was formed......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

You clearly don't understand why it's called the Tea Party.
It's named after the Boston Tea Party, the humorous moniker we gave to an event in 1774 when some guys sneaked onto some East India Tea Company ships and tossed the cargo into Boston Harbor.
The first "tea party" didn't have to do with taxes, it had to do with "stimulus spending". See the problem? Plus, it is made fun of by the LMSM, which doesn't help the cause, right? People associate the Boston Tea Party as a revolt against taxation, which this is not (although it could be tied in now with cap and tax and socialized health care).

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

I think that "rebranding" a movement that's supposed to be a grassroots movement smacks of corporatism, which is the opposite of what a grassroots movement is supposed to be.

Doug

It shouldn't have been named that to begin with.

I also disagree that these events are held during the week or on major holidays.

We shouldn't evolve, Doug?

[ModerateVoice]

well, it has nothing in common with the original tea parties.......


it actually is more like the whiskey rebellions that happned once the US was formed......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

Well, from a marketing point of view Whiskey Rebellion does sound a little more "butch" than the dainty moniker of Tea Party.

Whiskey Rebellion........I like it! Its a little rough around the edges, it allows the liberals to fantasize that such gatherings are attended by surly biker types, and just plain sounds more festive than a tea party.

[PaleoPaul]

Even though the historical movement was called "Tea Party," it still sounds...I dunno.

A tea party is a game 5 year old girls play...so with that kinda name...*shrug*

[pattyk]

I agree.

Tea Party is indeed a sissyfied liberal type of code pinko girlyman name.

The Revolution comes to mind.....................

[Vaard]

Well, from a marketing point of view Whiskey Rebellion does sound a little more "butch" than the dainty moniker of Tea Party.

Whiskey Rebellion........I like it! Its a little rough around the edges, it allows the liberals to fantasize that such gatherings are attended by surly biker types, and just plain sounds more festive than a tea party.

not to mention that the original whiskey rebellion was stamped out by george washington.......

[ddye]

It shouldn't have been named that to begin with.

I also disagree that these events are held during the week or on major holidays.

We shouldn't evolve, Doug?
"Evolving"doesn't mean to act like Lee Atwater in 1988 when he decided to "rebrand" the word "family" for the GOP.

It smacks of cynicism, which again, is the antithesis of what a grassroots movement should be about. Rebrand it and it'll be like every other politically sponsored "movement".

Sorry you don't like the name, everybody else seems to be OK with it.

Doug

[markyjs]

The whole "Tea Party" thing sucks... IMHO.

Look, suppose you hired someone to perform a service for you... say represent your interests in a particular forum. If they failed to represent your interests to your satisfaction, would you hold a sit-in in your office to show them how dissatisfied you were with their job performance? I think not. I believe you would get rid of them and hire someone who would better represent your interests.

Likewise, if there are so many people who are dissatisfied with the representation in government that they are receiving from the folks they hired for that job, those people should use their vote to kick them out of office next time. Hell, if there are that many dissatisfied folks out there, it should be possible to impeach some Congress-critters outright. (Is that possible?)

I'm not against their efforts... I just think that either many of those protesting do not vote... or else they are simply a minority with sour-grapes syndrome.

[Residential Bob]

Tea with no cream or sugar party.

[BillBrown]

The name should be something connected with anti- Bolshevism.
I'll think on it.

[troy]

Tea Party does sound kind of limp wristed. Whiskey Rebellion sounds good, but I suspect many don't have a clue about the history of the Whiskey Rebellion, so it may not be a good choice if you have to explain it. Revolution sounds a little too extreme. I say keep trying. There has to be an acceptable and appropriate name with some teeth to it.

[BillBrown]

The American Resistance Movement.

The White Rose - Google it.

[sgdp]

"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

That's all I've got at the moment. :doh:

[ModerateVoice]

The White Rose - Google it.

Interesting bit of history there............still sucks for a tough-sounding name.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

American Resistance Movement

Although when I googled it to see if it was taken, there is a grassroots group by that name.

What about:

American Independance Movement (AIM)

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Interesting bit of history there............still sucks for a tough-sounding name.
I agree. Going from Tea Party to White Rose doesn't seem like a great step.

[Trip]

American Resistance Movement

Although when I googled it to see if it was taken, there is a grassroots group by that name.

What about:

American Independance Movement (AIM)

The first "target" logo that comes out of "AIM" will give my fuel to the assertion of "rightwing extremism".

[BillBrown]

The Liberty Underground

[troy]

The Liberty Underground

Something with regard to liberty or freedom is on the right track in my opnion.

[BillBrown]

Sons of Liberty - - Revolutionary patriot group that embraced Republicanism in the United States during the 1760s and 1770's and routinely engaged in acts of violent resistance against British government officials and prominent loyalist sympathizers. The Boston branch of the Sons of Liberty met under the Liberty Tree, from which they would post messages or hang and burn effigies of their enemies.

PC would make us call it the Sons and Daughters of Liberty.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

The first "target" logo that comes out of "AIM" will give my fuel to the assertion of "rightwing extremism".

Yes, I think of it as taking aim at spending, corruption, loss of values, etc., but I think you are right that it will get twisted around quickly to make us appear like gun-toting lunatics, which most of us are. :D

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Something with regard to liberty or freedom is on the right track in my opnion.

I agree.

And how do you incorporate the name into the events themselves?

[BillBrown]

I agree.

And how do you incorporate the name into the events themselves?

Jefferson spoke frequently of the "tree of liberty".
Maybe we could work on that angle.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Jefferson spoke frequently of the "tree of liberty".
Maybe we could work on that angle.

Interesting. Maybe from that...the Branch for Liberty (as in the 4th branch). Let me know what you come up with! I did like the Liberty Underground too, but it brings to mind the Democratic Underground, which is gross, or the Weatherman Underground, which is likewise distasteful.

Hopefully people will think about it. I do sincerely want the name changed. It's lame.

There is a small part of me that thinks that if we can come up with something, that perhaps Sean would promote it, since he really was the key player in the first Tea Parties that took place.

I do like the Liberty angle. I think the freedom angle might miss the mark, since we are free to leave/move if we don't like the country, which the LMSM would point out day 1.

[ISYairio]

Taxed Enough Already...

Sounds fine to me...

[ddye]

Interesting bit of history there............still sucks for a tough-sounding name.
A "tough-sounding name"? Are you ****ing KIDDING ME? Do you think the poor Democrats will quake in fear of a "tough-sounding name"?

"Wow, the Tea Parties were OK, but man, this new, Manly Testosterone, We're Gonna Kick Your Ass Party has scared me to death!"

Puleeze.

Doug

[AvgGuyIA]

Call it the Tax Rebellion.

[Trip]

A "tough-sounding name"? Are you ****ing KIDDING ME? Do you think the poor Democrats will quake in fear of a "tough-sounding name"?

"Wow, the Tea Parties were OK, but man, this new, Manly Testosterone, We're Gonna Kick Your Ass Party has scared me to death!"

Puleeze.

Doug

Doug's Unbelievably Moderate Battalion ?

[wildcat87]

Jefferson spoke frequently of the "tree of liberty".
Maybe we could work on that angle.

I've got it. Acorns of Liberty.........

no?

[wildcat87]

The first "target" logo that comes out of "AIM" will give my fuel to the assertion of "rightwing extremism".

Besides, it's taken.

American Indian Movement (AIM)

[ModerateVoice]

A "tough-sounding name"? Are you ****ing KIDDING ME? Do you think the poor Democrats will quake in fear of a "tough-sounding name"?

"Wow, the Tea Parties were OK, but man, this new, Manly Testosterone, We're Gonna Kick Your Ass Party has scared me to death!"

Puleeze.

Doug

Wow, Doug, have you completely lost your sense of humor?!

[rckirby]

Well, from a marketing point of view Whiskey Rebellion does sound a little more "butch" than the dainty moniker of Tea Party.

Whiskey Rebellion........I like it! Its a little rough around the edges, it allows the liberals to fantasize that such gatherings are attended by surly biker types, and just plain sounds more festive than a tea party.

Whiskey rebellion.....I like it too.....and it was in Western PA to boot!!!!

(You'd be surprised at how many conservative and moderate P'burgher's are on this forum!!)

[ddye]

Wow, Doug, have you completely lost your sense of humor?!
Not at all, I honestly thought you were serious. If you were joking...good show, and I mean that.

If you had been serious though, I do think that the "Manly Testosterone, We're Gonna Kick Your Ass Party" sounds like a winner, for those who need that kind of verbal validation.

Doug

[rckirby]

not to mention that the original whiskey rebellion was stamped out by george washington.......

Hmmmm........this might be more appropo than I first realized: (Emphasis mine)

By the summer of 1794, tensions reached a fevered pitch all along the western frontier as the settlers' primary marketable commodity was threatened by the federal taxation measures. Finally, the civil protests became an armed rebellion. The first shots were fired at the Oliver Miller Homestead in present day South Park Township, Pennsylvania, about ten miles south of Pittsburgh. As word of the rebellion spread across the frontier, a whole series of loosely organized resistance measures were taken, including robbing the mail, stopping court proceedings, and the threat of an assault on Pittsburgh. One group, disguised as women, assaulted a tax collector, cropped his hair, coated him with tar and feathers, and stole his horse.

George Washington and Alexander Hamilton, remembering Shays' Rebellion from just eight years before, decided to make Pennsylvania a testing ground for federal authority. Washington ordered federal marshals to serve court orders requiring the tax protesters to appear in federal district court. On August 7, 1794, Washington invoked martial law to summon the militias of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and several other states. The rebel force they fought was likewise composed of Pennsylvanians, Virginians, and possibly men from other states.[6]

But, since I don't care for 'whiskey' per se....I think the Yukon Jack Rebellion would fit nicely. :)

[rckirby]

A "tough-sounding name"? Are you ****ing KIDDING ME? Do you think the poor Democrats will quake in fear of a "tough-sounding name"?

"Wow, the Tea Parties were OK, but man, this new, Manly Testosterone, We're Gonna Kick Your Ass Party has scared me to death!"

Puleeze.

Doug

Don't worry Doug, enough of us know you are a closet conservative and you don't have to be askeered.

[nebcon]

The whole "Tea Party" thing sucks... IMHO.

Look, suppose you hired someone to perform a service for you... say represent your interests in a particular forum. If they failed to represent your interests to your satisfaction, would you hold a sit-in in your office to show them how dissatisfied you were with their job performance? I think not. I believe you would get rid of them and hire someone who would better represent your interests.

Likewise, if there are so many people who are dissatisfied with the representation in government that they are receiving from the folks they hired for that job, those people should use their vote to kick them out of office next time. Hell, if there are that many dissatisfied folks out there, it should be possible to impeach some Congress-critters outright. (Is that possible?)

Every time there appears to be enough outrage, it seems that we haven't reached the threshold. There were people on this board hinting at armed insurrection during the original TARP vote but it didn't take long for everyone to settle back into their more comfortable partisan positions. If such people can't even take advantage of an election so soon after such an affront to their Constitutional role as "we the people" then I don't see where the tea parties are any threat to anyone. The RNC need not fear them. Come election time they can simply point to the opposition and yell "boo!" and Republicans will fall back in line, including the tea partyers. They have them, there is no denying it.

[nebcon]

A "tough-sounding name"? Are you ****ing KIDDING ME? Do you think the poor Democrats will quake in fear of a "tough-sounding name"?

None of the politicians do.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

A "tough-sounding name"? Are you ****ing KIDDING ME? Do you think the poor Democrats will quake in fear of a "tough-sounding name"?

"Wow, the Tea Parties were OK, but man, this new, Manly Testosterone, We're Gonna Kick Your Ass Party has scared me to death!"

Puleeze.

Doug

Then why are your feathers so ruffled? Afraid that if we get momentum something terrible might happen?

[Trip]

Besides, it's taken.

American Indian Movement (AIM)

American Revolution Movement? (ARM)

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/ARM.gif


too scary for doug?

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Every time there appears to be enough outrage, it seems that we haven't reached the threshold. There were people on this board hinting at armed insurrection during the original TARP vote but it didn't take long for everyone to settle back into their more comfortable partisan positions. If such people can't even take advantage of an election so soon after such an affront to their Constitutional role as "we the people" then I don't see where the tea parties are any threat to anyone. The RNC need not fear them. Come election time they can simply point to the opposition and yell "boo!" and Republicans will fall back in line, including the tea partyers. They have them, there is no denying it.

Perhaps something that includes 'Accountability'.

I'm not saying this is an Republican issue. There are some Democrats that aren't happy with the way things are headed either.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

American Revolution Movement? (ARM)

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/ARM.gif


too scary for doug?

:))

That is great!

[BasicGreatGuy]

Every time there appears to be enough outrage, it seems that we haven't reached the threshold. There were people on this board hinting at armed insurrection during the original TARP vote but it didn't take long for everyone to settle back into their more comfortable partisan positions. If such people can't even take advantage of an election so soon after such an affront to their Constitutional role as "we the people" then I don't see where the tea parties are any threat to anyone. The RNC need not fear them. Come election time they can simply point to the opposition and yell "boo!" and Republicans will fall back in line, including the tea partyers. They have them, there is no denying it.

There is a lot of ugly truth in your post Nebcon. Too many are sitting around waiting to be led, instead of doing the leading, as employers of this Republic. The tea party movement has lacked consistency, cohesiveness, and clarity.

The board has been filled with Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson threads. And this is supposed to be from people that are focused and in the "know," when it comes to the governance of this Republic?

The purpose and action of any movement is much more important than trying to rebrand the package, because it is effeminate to some. Once again, a lack of real focus.

[Trip]

American Revolution Movement? (ARM)

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/ARM.gif


too scary for doug?

What about the gloved hand holding up the Liberty Tree in my sig? Call it "ROOTS"

..... wait... that's been done before.

:))

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

American Revolution Movement? (ARM)

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/ARM.gif


too scary for doug?

:))

That is great!

[ModerateVoice]

American Revolution Movement? (ARM)

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/ARM.gif


too scary for doug?

:)) Brilliant :))

[Trip]

There is a lot of ugly truth in your post Nebcon. Too many are sitting around waiting to be led, instead of doing the leading, as employers of this Republic. The tea party movement has lacked consistency, cohesiveness, and clarity.

The board has been filled with Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson threads. And this is supposed to be from people that are focused and in the "know," when it comes to the governance of this Republic?

The purpose and action of any movement is much more important than trying to rebrand the package, because it is effeminate to some. Once again, a lack of real focus.

I agree there.

Some months ago I went to the leads of all (ok "some of") the disparate Internet group sites and tried to get them to unite in one coherent group... but none of them would do it because it meant forfeiting any control they imagined they had.

There's no unified focus.

[bitterclinger84]

I think we should avoid things like "Revolution" "Resistance" "Underground". We may feel like the minority, but I don't think we are. Something that appeals to the masses, that gets our message across. (I'm still thinking...)

[nebcon]

There is a lot of ugly truth in your post Nebcon. Too many are sitting around waiting to be led, instead of doing the leading, as employers of this Republic. The tea party movement has lacked consistency, cohesiveness, and clarity.

The board has been filled with Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson threads. And this is supposed to be from people that are focused and in the "know," when it comes to the governance of this Republic?

The purpose and action of any movement is much more important than trying to rebrand the package, because it is effeminate to some. Once again, a lack of real focus.

What probably saddens me the most is the people that talk of walking away from the republic or taking up arms, and yet heap derision upon us for refusing to validate unconstitutional policies and liars by trying to use our vote to validate true Constitutional ideas. Because after all we all know that it is so much harder to break the bonds of party then it is to break out the guns and start shooting at your fellow citizens.

[ModerateVoice]

How about Teapartiers United For Freedom (T.U.F.F.)..........?

..........nah, TUFF sounds too much like an 80's hair metal band.







EDIT: I was right. I did a Google search........some pretty boys stole it as a band name 25 years ago.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq143/Roadsong66/tuff-1.jpg

[Trip]

I think we should avoid things like "Revolution" "Resistance" "Underground". We may feel like the minority, but I don't think we are. Something that appeals to the masses, that gets our message across. (I'm still thinking...)

People wanted "change" for sure, but I don't think necessarily the change they're getting force-fed. And it would be a revolution of sorts to restore our constitutional government, and one long overdue. This is not a single party issue.

Despite the repeated assertions of some notably rabid partisan adherents asserting otherwise, it should disturb all Americans.

Having a single party in power, even if it were Republicans, would not please me in the least, less so if they were pushing through an agenda in the dark of night.

[Trip]

Teapartiers United For Freedom (T.U.F.F.)..........?

..........nah, TUFF sounds too much like an 80's hair metal band.

Yeah, maybe pink teacups too, just so we dont get confused with the pink pistols.

;)

[bitterclinger84]

People wanted "change" for sure, but I don't think necessarily the change they're getting force-fed. And it would be a revolution of sorts to restore our constitutional government, and one long overdue. This is not a single party issue.

Despite the repeated assertions of some notably rabid partisan adherents asserting otherwise, it should disturb all Americans.

Having a single party in power, even if it were Republicans, would not please me in the least, less so if they were pushing through an agenda in the dark of night.

I just think that the majority of Americans are reluctant to be part of a "Revolution". It sounds cool in the movies but...

[troy]

How about Teapartiers United For Freedom (T.U.F.F.)..........?

..........nah, TUFF sounds too much like an 80's hair metal band.







EDIT: I was right. I did a Google search........some pretty boys stole it as a band name 25 years ago.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq143/Roadsong66/tuff-1.jpg


How about Tea Partiers in Truth (TIT). Didn't think so.

[BasicGreatGuy]

I agree there.

Some months ago I went to the leads of all (ok "some of") the disparate Internet group sites and tried to get them to unite in one coherent group... but none of them would do it because it meant forfeiting any control they imagined they had.

There's no unified focus.

The movement ( such as it is ) is dying out as fast as it started. When you have a movement that seeks to be led by political pundits and political entertainers, it is an empty and dead movement. It is rather pathetic that the employers ( as a whole ) keep acting like victim employees.

It appears that a lot of people thought that protesting on tax day would be enough to get Washington's attention. And as Nebcon said, many of these same people are back to their partisan Kool-Aid drinking lifestyle complaining about the lack of direction and statesmenship in their own government.

If the American people truly cared about freedom and liberty, they wouldn't allow the employees to lie to them, steal from them, and rape them time and time again. I am convinced that most people don't truly care. And it is this same group, that doesn't believe they deserve the government they are getting. Children being led by children. It is rather pathetic.

There is always an excuse. There is always someone else to blame. It is much easier to play the victim, than sacrifice your all. That is what "We The People" ( as a whole ) have become.

[BillBrown]

How about Teapartiers United For Freedom (T.U.F.F.)..........?

..........nah, TUFF sounds too much like an 80's hair metal band.








EDIT: I was right. I did a Google search........some pretty boys stole it as a band name 25 years ago.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq143/Roadsong66/tuff-1.jpg

Those are boys?
I'd never a thunk it.

[BasicGreatGuy]

What probably saddens me the most is the people that talk of walking away from the republic or taking up arms, and yet heap derision upon us for refusing to validate unconstitutional policies and liars by trying to use our vote to validate true Constitutional ideas. Because after all we all know that it is so much harder to break the bonds of party then it is to break out the guns and start shooting at your fellow citizens.

The Kool-Aid addiction runs deep my friend. Most are hung go, as long as they have someone leading them that is willing to take the heat.

It is back to "my party's crap doesn't stink as bad as your party's crap" mantra. In my opinion, lazy victimhood mentality people don't deserve freedom and liberty. They deserve government diapers, a thumb in their mouth, and chains upon their feet. Political cowards.

[rckirby]

There is a lot of ugly truth in your post Nebcon. Too many are sitting around waiting to be led, instead of doing the leading, as employers of this Republic. The tea party movement has lacked consistency, cohesiveness, and clarity.

The board has been filled with Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson threads. And this is supposed to be from people that are focused and in the "know," when it comes to the governance of this Republic?

The purpose and action of any movement is much more important than trying to rebrand the package, because it is effeminate to some. Once again, a lack of real focus.

Many of us on this forum ARE focused, but are just average citizens.....

I get so mad and frustrated, I guess I could go out on a street corner with a sign about my disgust for our government.....to no avail.

We can sit here on this forum, and smugly discuss the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, while the average American has no clue.

But many of the Average American's are waking up to realize that something stinks in Denmark, without even knowing the details of the Constitution.

Other than posting our frustration here, there's not much to do......at least the Tea Parties (or whatever they will evolve into) are a sign that citizens are waking up..... albeit 'incohesive' right now.....

When is the last time you saw old and young, D and R, AMERICAN's show up by the thousands for any kind of protest against the government?????

You want us to get back to our principles, you want us to get off our butts, yet when the average American tries to to that, they get put down for not having a "leader", or being coordinated or cohesive.....

I'll tell you what BGG....I like your patriotism.....start something and let us know it is BGG that is spearheading it.....if its within my realm to get there, I will.....

You are just as guilty as those you ridicule.....and I normally agree with you, but this post just ticked me off.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

There is a lot of ugly truth in your post Nebcon. Too many are sitting around waiting to be led, instead of doing the leading, as employers of this Republic. The tea party movement has lacked consistency, cohesiveness, and clarity.

The board has been filled with Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson threads. And this is supposed to be from people that are focused and in the "know," when it comes to the governance of this Republic?

The purpose and action of any movement is much more important than trying to rebrand the package, because it is effeminate to some. Once again, a lack of real focus.
Part of the reason the "tea party" movement lacked the items you mentioned is because it never should've been called that to begin with. It was not about taxation, it was about spending. Reporters from the LMSM shoved microphones into people's faces and asked what taxes of yours are you protesting? There was a total lack of clarity. Then came the whole tie into to tea bags, etc. Not to mention, it just sounds stupid, as many have said. It's hard to get fired up about a "tea party".

You may disagree with rebranding, as does Doug, but it needs to be done if they are going to ever succeed in the future, IMO. And some of the names that people have already mentioned would appeal to a younger group as well. What 21 year old wants to say they went to a "tea party"? Now call it a more assertive name "resistance" "revolution" etc., and they will go just because it sounds rebellious. It's all in the marketing, and that is what the cons lack.

[PeterGriffin]

You guys were getting close with the hair band. I thought everybody knew how to toughen up a name....umlauts! And maybe some other random character assimilations.

So you go from wimpy little Tea Party to metalhead inspired Ŧëä Pärtŷ See that? Instant bad azz!

[Clamp]

How about the, "Its finally cool to complain about government spending now that the people I voted for lost the election", parties?

The last half dozen administrations have been destroying the Country, not just the current one.

Tea parties don't accomplish ****. Everyone needs to stop wasting their time with this crap and come up with real solutions, and inform their representatives of those solutions.

Too many spend the majority of their time bitching about the reps they didn't vote for, instead of actually accomplishing something.

[Clamp]

Part of the reason the "tea party" movement lacked the items you mentioned is because it never should've been called that to begin with. It was not about taxation, it was about spending. Reporters from the LMSM shoved microphones into people's faces and asked what taxes of yours are you protesting? There was a total lack of clarity. Then came the whole tie into to tea bags, etc. Not to mention, it just sounds stupid, as many have said. It's hard to get fired up about a "tea party".

You may disagree with rebranding, as does Doug, but it needs to be done if they are going to ever succeed in the future, IMO. And some of the names that people have already mentioned would appeal to a younger group as well. What 21 year old wants to say they went to a "tea party"? Now call it a more assertive name "resistance" "revolution" etc., and they will go just because it sounds rebellious. It's all in the marketing, and that is what the cons lack.

Take over the Constitution Party. That'd be a start.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

You guys were getting close with the hair band. I thought everybody knew how to toughen up a name....umlauts! And maybe some other random character assimilations.

So you go from wimpy little Tea Party to metalhead inspired Ŧëä Pärtŷ See that? Instant bad azz!

Typical lib trying to lead us astray. :))

Somewhere some Republican is saying "Really?"

[rckirby]

How about the, "Its finally cool to complain about government spending now that the people I voted for lost the election", parties?

The last half dozen administrations have been destroying the Country, not just the current one.

Tea parties don't accomplish ****. Everyone needs to stop wasting their time with this crap and come up with real solutions, and inform their representatives of those solutions.

Too many spend the majority of their time bitching about the reps they didn't vote for, instead of actually accomplishing something.

We write, we call, we fax, we email, we protest.....to no avail.....

Some day, when EVERYONE is truly affected by what's going on, and not just foreseeing it....there WILL be many more in the streets.

Insulting us peons now, in our infancy, is just....well....insulting.....

[PeterGriffin]

Typical lib trying to lead us astray. :))

Somewhere some Republican is saying "Really?"

Come on, Motörhead is scary badass, and they only have ONE umlaut.

[troy]

Many of us on this forum ARE focused, but are just average citizens.....

I get so mad and frustrated, I guess I could go out on a street corner with a sign about my disgust for our government.....to no avail.

We can sit here on this forum, and smugly discuss the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, while the average American has no clue.

But many of the Average American's are waking up to realize that something stinks in Denmark, without even knowing the details of the Constitution.

Other than posting our frustration here, there's not much to do......at least the Tea Parties (or whatever they will evolve into) are a sign that citizens are waking up..... albeit 'incohesive' right now.....

When is the last time you saw old and young, D and R, AMERICAN's show up by the thousands for any kind of protest against the government?????

You want us to get back to our principles, you want us to get off our butts, yet when the average American tries to to that, they get put down for not having a "leader", or being coordinated or cohesive.....

I'll tell you what BGG....I like your patriotism.....start something and let us know it is BGG that is spearheading it.....if its within my realm to get there, I will.....

You are just as guilty as those you ridicule.....and I normally agree with you, but this post just ticked me off.

I have to second what you've said here. Many people take time on these boards to discuss the issues and then veer off for entertainment value...nothing wrong with that and if it were otherwise, I would leave these boards never to return...not that anyone would care. Anyone on here would be wise not to assume how people are or are not contributing to making a change. Would it be wise of me to assume that anyone on here with a five digit post count spends too much time on here and therfore couldn't possibly contribute anything tangible...I didn't think so. I for one am very involved in local politics and I actually attend city council meetings and I'm involved in charitable events and I take the time to write my elected representatives. I also take time to have a little fun once in awhile. I took along time away from these boards and others because I needed a break from the rhetoric plus the weather started getting nice and I wanted to ride as much as possible. Never assume to know what is going on behind the scenes in peoples lives when they're not on this board.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

We write, we call, we fax, we email, we protest.....to no avail.....

Some day, when EVERYONE is truly affected by what's going on, and not just foreseeing it....there WILL be many more in the streets.

Insulting us peons now, in our infancy, is just....well....insulting.....

Very insulting, which is why I didn't respond.

I think that if you have a big enough group of people, some might start to take notice. It needs to be organized, and that's really what we have been missing. There are MILLIONS like you and I. We just need to get together with a clear message.

[ModerateVoice]

Come on, Motörhead is scary badass, and they only have ONE umlaut.

I met Lemmy once, and trust me, he's scarier in person.

[Trip]

You guys were getting close with the hair band. I thought everybody knew how to toughen up a name....umlauts! And maybe some other random character assimilations.

So you go from wimpy little Tea Party to metalhead inspired Ŧëä Pärtŷ See that? Instant bad azz!

Ŧëä ¶ä®tŷ! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Tidepool/8194/us-flag2.gif

[BillBrown]

Ŧëä ¶ä®tŷ! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Tidepool/8194/us-flag2.gif

That flag needs to be upside down:)

[BasicGreatGuy]

Many of us on this forum ARE focused, but are just average citizens.....

I get so mad and frustrated, I guess I could go out on a street corner with a sign about my disgust for our government.....to no avail.

We can sit here on this forum, and smugly discuss the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, while the average American has no clue.

But many of the Average American's are waking up to realize that something stinks in Denmark, without even knowing the details of the Constitution.

Other than posting our frustration here, there's not much to do......at least the Tea Parties (or whatever they will evolve into) are a sign that citizens are waking up..... albeit 'incohesive' right now.....

When is the last time you saw old and young, D and R, AMERICAN's show up by the thousands for any kind of protest against the government?????

You want us to get back to our principles, you want us to get off our butts, yet when the average American tries to to that, they get put down for not having a "leader", or being coordinated or cohesive.....

I'll tell you what BGG....I like your patriotism.....start something and let us know it is BGG that is spearheading it.....if its within my realm to get there, I will.....

You are just as guilty as those you ridicule.....and I normally agree with you, but this post just ticked me off.
It is time people got ticked off. If my post ticked you off, that is for you to work through and come to terms with as you see fit.

"I'll tell you what BGG....I like your patriotism.....start something and let us know it is BGG that is spearheading it.....if its within my realm to get there, I will....."

And that is exactly the mentality I am talking about. I am already spearheading things. Am I perfect every day in my walk? No. I am doing my very best though. I am not sitting around waiting for someone else to come up with ideas and sacrifice their time and energy. I don't play the excuse or victim song. I never have and I never will.

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine


There is so much more one can do, than posting on this message board. There are lots of simple things that people can do in their own community, if they will take some time. It is sad that so many employers feel so helpless, when they are the ones that are supposed to be in charge. It is no wonder that our Republic is as screwed up as it is. The employers ( as a whole ) either don't care or don't know what they should do to get government back on track. As such, they are sitting around waiting for tomorrow to be different, while engaging in the same activities and mindset themselves day after day. It is one thing to help provide direction and focus to your fellow Americans. It is quite another to try and instill a love for freedom and liberty in their heart and soul. I do my best every day with the former. The latter is not my responsibility nor is it within my power to instill.

I am not trying to purposefully irritate and incite people. The truth hurts sometimes. I have no problems stepping on my own toes as it were. I am not about to play patty cake with my fellow Americans.

[PeterGriffin]

I met Lemmy once, and trust me, he's scarier in person.

I had his cell phone number in the mid 90's (think I got it from a random girl, don't recall for sure) and it was a hobby for a couple of months for me and my buddies to prank call him when we got drunk.

"'Allo? 'Oo is this? 'Ow did you get this number?" followed by a string of epithets that would peel paint. Good times.

[RWReaganfan]

How about the, "Its finally cool to complain about government spending now that the people I voted for lost the election", parties?

The last half dozen administrations have been destroying the Country, not just the current one.

Tea parties don't accomplish ****. Everyone needs to stop wasting their time with this crap and come up with real solutions, and inform their representatives of those solutions.

Too many spend the majority of their time bitching about the reps they didn't vote for, instead of actually accomplishing something.

Both of my Senators are Republicans, ny Congressman is a Republican, and in the last presidential election, the Republican won my state.

I am losing everything because the dum basses in the other states voted for liberals!

My representation is fine! I have a problem with everyone else's representatives being morons!

[Trip]

That flag needs to be upside down:)

I got a lot of flack for having an upside down flag in my sig (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/Flagwav-distress-s-1.gif) for months.

And some compared it to being a flag burner. :sigh:

[Clamp]

We write, we call, we fax, we email, we protest.....to no avail.....

Some day, when EVERYONE is truly affected by what's going on, and not just foreseeing it....there WILL be many more in the streets.

Insulting us peons now, in our infancy, is just....well....insulting.....

No insult intended. I was at the first tea party in Morristown, NJ. Not a bad turnout, but it seemed too many were just there to complain about Obama. Minimal realistic solutions offered.

[BillBrown]

I got a lot of flack for having an upside down flag in my sig (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/Flagwav-distress-s-1.gif) for months.

And some compared it to being a flag burner. :sigh:

Really? They probably didn't know what it meant. Maybe they will appreciate it now.

[ModerateVoice]

I had his cell phone number in the mid 90's (think I got it from a random girl, don't recall for sure) and it was a hobby for a couple of months for me and my buddies to prank call him when we got drunk.

"'Allo? 'Oo is this? 'Ow did you get this number?" followed by a string of epithets that would peel paint. Good times.

I met him backstage after the Yardbirds played the House of Blues on Sunset. I was standing in a circle with Lemmy, Steve Luthakar, and Ron Jeremy. I thought to myself, "okay this is a weird story no one will ever believe." Lemmy glared angrily at an Easy Rider t-shirt I was wearing, glared at me, glared at the shirt.........I mumbled something and walked away.

[ModerateVoice]

Ŧëä ¶ä®tŷ! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Tidepool/8194/us-flag2.gif

IT NEEDS TO HAVE MORE TESTOSTERONE!!!! ....put something "evil" where the stars are.

.........that was a joke, Doug.

[PeterGriffin]

Another idea: Instead of calling them "Tea Parties", call them "Tractor Pulls". I mean, hell, they're 90% of the way there already.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Both of my Senators are Republicans, ny Congressman is a Republican, and in the last presidential election, the Republican won my state.

I am losing everything because the dum basses in the other states voted for liberals!

My representation is fine! I have a problem with everyone else's representatives being morons!

And then there are those of us that live in areas (CA) in which trying to make a point with our representatives is like yelling into a well. I feel like my service is best served making phone calls, etc. and trying to reach out to family/friends in states where their voices might be heard and calling representatives of other states that might be on the fence.

But, we're just dummies on a forum board doing nothing meaningful. :rolleyes:

[Trip]

Really? They probably didn't know what it meant. Maybe they will appreciate it now.

Yeah, we went through all the flag regs and history and some stood on the ground it was only for dire personal emergency. I got called a lawyer for my argument, which was sort of a roundabout compliment.. maybe. Some actually doing so on their homes have had police come to their door.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Another idea: Instead of calling them "Tea Parties", call them "Tractor Pulls". I mean, hell, they're 90% of the way there already.

Elitist.

[BillBrown]

And then there are those of us that live in areas (CA) in which trying to make a point with our representatives is like yelling into a well. I feel like my service is best served making phone calls, etc. and trying to reach out to family/friends in states where their voices might be heard and calling representatives of other states that might be on the fence.

But, we're just dummies on a forum board doing nothing meaningful. :rolleyes:

The people telling you that should have a very low post count, if it's meaningless- don't you think?
I haven't noticed.
The next time your told that look in the poster's upper right hand corner.

[ModerateVoice]

And then there are those of us that live in areas (CA) in which trying to make a point with our representatives is like yelling into a well.

I lived in Santa Monica for two years, I feel your pain. I think I was the only conservative in SM.......my friends used to "out me" as a conservative for kicks when we were at parties. Talk about getting along with folks one minute, they find out you are conservative, and before you know it you are standing in the corner alone still trying to be polite to the host by eating their crappy organic food even though no one will talk to you anymore........okay, a slight exaggeration, but honestly, that's a mean bunch in Santa Monica when they find out you're conservative.

[troy]

And then there are those of us that live in areas (CA) in which trying to make a point with our representatives is like yelling into a well. I feel like my service is best served making phone calls, etc. and trying to reach out to family/friends in states where their voices might be heard and calling representatives of other states that might be on the fence.

But, we're just dummies on a forum board doing nothing meaningful. :rolleyes:

I know exactly where you're coming from. I live in Washington State and we're on our way to destroying ourselves fiscally and economically just like California. The people here love taxes and government programs and spending. They actually voted to increase the already high state gas tax to pay for an improved freeway and highway system...something the politicians in this state run on every election, but never do anything about except taking our money and producing nothing. Heck, I can't stand Seattle or the surrounding area...its not safe anymore. I pack a weapon anytime I go that way, but soon I won't be able to do that if they get their way.

[rckirby]

It is time people got ticked off. If my post ticked you off, that is for you to work through and come to terms with as you see fit.

"I'll tell you what BGG....I like your patriotism.....start something and let us know it is BGG that is spearheading it.....if its within my realm to get there, I will....."

And that is exactly the mentality I am talking about. I am already spearheading things. Am I perfect every day in my walk? No. I am doing my very best though. I am not sitting around waiting for someone else to come up with ideas and sacrifice their time and energy. I don't play the excuse or victim song. I never have and I never will.

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine


There is so much more one can do, than posting on this message board. There are lots of simple things that people can do in their own community, if they will take some time. It is sad that so many employers feel so helpless, when they are the ones that are supposed to be in charge. It is no wonder that our Republic is as screwed up as it is. The employers ( as a whole ) either don't care or don't know what they should do to get government back on track. As such, they are sitting around waiting for tomorrow to be different, while engaging in the same activities and mindset themselves day after day. It is one thing to help provide direction and focus to your fellow Americans. It is quite another to try and instill a love for freedom and liberty in their heart and soul. I do my best every day with the former. The latter is not my responsibility nor is it within my power to instill.

I am not trying to purposefully irritate and incite people. The truth hurts sometimes. I have no problems stepping on my own toes as it were. I am not about to play patty cake with my fellow Americans.

BGG, I HAVE been trying to get to know my state reps...I have actually gone to a townhall meeting when 5 people showed up and 1 was his mother.....only to find out that he was on my son's soccer team in high school....

I left hopeful that he had the right idea, but sad because no one showed up. (And I left work early to get there).

There are many of us average Americans out here who yearn for some leadership.....it is not me...maybe its you...

I preach every chance I get at work and with my family/friends.....but until there is a galvanizing figure, we will wallow and be unorganized.....

Not everyone can be a leader....or knows how to be.....but we will rise up with the right leader.

[nebcon]

Many of us on this forum ARE focused, but are just average citizens.....

I get so mad and frustrated, I guess I could go out on a street corner with a sign about my disgust for our government.....to no avail.

We can sit here on this forum, and smugly discuss the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, while the average American has no clue.

But many of the Average American's are waking up to realize that something stinks in Denmark, without even knowing the details of the Constitution.

Other than posting our frustration here, there's not much to do......at least the Tea Parties (or whatever they will evolve into) are a sign that citizens are waking up..... albeit 'incohesive' right now.....

When is the last time you saw old and young, D and R, AMERICAN's show up by the thousands for any kind of protest against the government?????

You want us to get back to our principles, you want us to get off our butts, yet when the average American tries to to that, they get put down for not having a "leader", or being coordinated or cohesive.....

I'll tell you what BGG....I like your patriotism.....start something and let us know it is BGG that is spearheading it.....if its within my realm to get there, I will.....

You are just as guilty as those you ridicule.....and I normally agree with you, but this post just ticked me off.

You are assuming that BGG or I, or any of us do nothing in our community, when you have no idea what we do or not do. You claim that we sit and criticize and that is all. you have no idea.

Those of us that want change in our government cannot begin to present a united front when we cannot debate amongst ourselves the proper direction, and the people we wish to see lead that direction, and allow dissent when some of us are treated with the same hatred as the opposition.

Any of us dare say we disagree with Governor Palin and suddenly we are no better than the people that say truly hateful things about her. We express distrust in the party leadership and we again are called "haters". We try to tell Republican voters the equivalent of "no no no, your doing it wrong" and we are labeled haters.

Excuse me, but I have good reason for doubting the resolve of the tea party movement as a whole. Time and again I have heard tough talk. We just had an election and yet I was called a traitor and worse by people simply because I would not vote for AND VALIDATE a candidate that supported cap and trade among other damaging policies. A policy that now the same people that suggested that I did not love my country are so upset about.

[rckirby]

The people telling you that should have a very low post count, if it's meaningless- don't you think?
I haven't noticed.
The next time your told that look in the poster's upper right hand corner.

She was answering my post to BGG (37000+ posts)

There is a lot of ugly truth in your post Nebcon. Too many are sitting around waiting to be led, instead of doing the leading, as employers of this Republic. The tea party movement has lacked consistency, cohesiveness, and clarity.

The board has been filled with Sarah Palin and Michael Jackson threads. And this is supposed to be from people that are focused and in the "know," when it comes to the governance of this Republic?

The purpose and action of any movement is much more important than trying to rebrand the package, because it is effeminate to some. Once again, a lack of real focus.

[rckirby]

You are assuming that BGG or I, or any of us do nothing in our community, when you have no idea what we do or not do. You claim that we sit and criticize and that is all. you have no idea.

Those of us that want change in our government cannot begin to present a united front when we cannot debate amongst ourselves the proper direction, and the people we wish to see lead that direction, and allow dissent when some of us are treated with the same hatred as the opposition.

Any of us dare say we disagree with Governor Palin and suddenly we are no better than the people that say truly hateful things about her. We express distrust in the party leadership and we again are called "haters". We try to tell Republican voters the equivalent of "no no no, your doing it wrong" and we are labeled haters.

Excuse me, but I have good reason for doubting the resolve of the tea party movement as a whole. Time and again I have heard tough talk. We just had an election and yet I was called a traitor and worse by people simply because I would not vote for AND VALIDATE a candidate that supported cap and trade among other damaging policies. A policy that now the same people that suggested that I did not love my country are so upset about.

I don't think I ever intimated that you or BGG weren't involved.....but you put the average folk down who are attending tea parties......you should be happy that the average citizen is waking up....instead of insulting them.

So, you guys were 'ahead' of the game by voting 3rd party, where many of us woke up late to the party......and knew enough about BO to vote against him.

You Third Partiers have a wonderful point....but putting down the average citizen for not yet "getting it" as quickly as you did is...like I said above ...is insulting. To many of us, you folks come off as bad as the 'elitists' on the left.

And you don't give us credit that we are slowly coming around to your way of thinking.....but to insult us while we are evolving, just makes us defensive.....you should be encouraging us....not disparaging us.

[Trip]

Interesting. Maybe from that...the Branch for Liberty (as in the 4th branch). Let me know what you come up with! I did like the Liberty Underground too, but it brings to mind the Democratic Underground, which is gross, or the Weatherman Underground, which is likewise distasteful.

Hopefully people will think about it. I do sincerely want the name changed. It's lame.

There is a small part of me that thinks that if we can come up with something, that perhaps Sean would promote it, since he really was the key player in the first Tea Parties that took place.

I do like the Liberty angle. I think the freedom angle might miss the mark, since we are free to leave/move if we don't like the country, which the LMSM would point out day 1.

Evidently Revere struck medallions that were given to the original Sons of Liberty. Curiously not a one of these medallions are known to exist today.

The medallion in my sig is similiar to what they believe was on the medallion but was given out in plastic with the premiere of Walt Disney's 1957 movie "Johnny Tremain." I found the image of both sides of the Disney medallion online from someone who had already sold it. I made a point of watching Johnny Tremain the night of the 4th and was somewhat amazed to see several Biblical references in the early portion of the film. My, how we've changed.

[Unaffiliated]

I think that "rebranding" a movement that's supposed to be a grassroots movement smacks of corporatism, which is the opposite of what a grassroots movement is supposed to be.

Doug

Exactly. The Boston Tea Party wasn't named the Boston Tea Party to brand a planned event with guest speakers and cheering audience. It was a spontaneous reaction to a tax. It was named by, hell, probably by a newspaper editor and it stuck.

[rckirby]

Exactly. The Boston Tea Party wasn't named the Boston Tea Party to brand a planned event with guest speakers and cheering audience. It was a spontaneous reaction to a tax. It was named by, hell, probably by a newspaper editor and it stuck.

The movement will evolve naturally as more people wake up.....especially when their quality of life is destroyed.

[gb2004]

Wow, Doug, have you completely lost your sense of humor?!

Did he ever have one?

[PeterGriffin]

"32 Funny Cars"?

[nebcon]

I don't think I ever intimated that you or BGG weren't involved.....but you put the average folk down who are attending tea parties......you should be happy that the average citizen is waking up....instead of insulting them.

So, you guys were 'ahead' of the game by voting 3rd party, where many of us woke up late to the party......and knew enough about BO to vote against him.

You Third Partiers have a wonderful point....but putting down the average citizen for not yet "getting it" as quickly as you did is...like I said above ...is insulting. To many of us, you folks come off as bad as the 'elitists' on the left.

And you don't give us credit that we are slowly coming around to your way of thinking.....but to insult us while we are evolving, just makes us defensive.....you should be encouraging us....not disparaging us.

Not putting you down. I simply am skeptical, and frankly you are one of the few that will even acknowledge that we were rght. Most are still eluding to accusations of treason and other things. It might occur to you, if you have time to sit down and consider it, that perhaps despite our skepticism, we are secretly hoping that this time the resolve is real.

Unfortunately, I see far too much on this board to dampen that hope, to say so. Just consider it.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Evidently Revere struck medallions that were given to the original Sons of Liberty. Curiously not a one of these medallions are known to exist today.

The medallion in my sig is similiar to what they believe was on the medallion but was given out in plastic with the premiere of Walt Disney's 1957 movie "Johnny Tremain." I found the image of both sides of the Disney medallion online from someone who had already sold it. I made a point of watching Johnny Tremain the night of the 4th and was somewhat amazed to see several Biblical references in the early portion of the film. My, how we've changed.

I don't even recall that movie, but I'll check it out.

I like the Liberty theme. It is what our founding fathers envisioned.

[PredFan]

The name "Tea Party" means something. Leave it.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

The name "Tea Party" means something. Leave it.
What does it mean, in terms of relating to the Stimulus bills?

[WildRose]

So Stimulus Part Deux is going to be upon us soon. With so many people getting fed up with the endless spending perhaps now is the time to really rise up, and bring some moderates (and even liberals) with us.

It is becoming apparent that people are appreciating the politicians that are taking a stand, and people that were in the dark before are waking up to the reality that this administration is toxic to our economy and way of life.

I anticipate that there will be protests when the libs start yet another money/power/pet project grab. Enough is enough a long time ago.

But first, I think a little flippin' proactiveness might be in order, which is something the GOP seems to lack. I say, first ditch the "tea party" term. It's not time for tea, it's time for a full press revolt.

I have some ideas on renaming the protest, but I'd like to hear some creative ones from the forum members. We also need to get the GOP leadership dialed into the process. It's time to take it to the streets in an aggressive (nonviolent) way. It's time to be heard.

Thoughts?

(pansy meaning "sissy"...before I get thrown into TTTM) It's a shame that someone who is a teacher considers the guys at the Boston Tea Party (for which the Tea Party movement was named) were pansies.

If anyone thinks the name is lame they are sorely lacking in education. Why not educate instead of placate?

[WildRose]

What does it mean, in terms of relating to the Stimulus bills?Google "Tea Tax" and Stamp rebellion.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Google "Tea Tax" and Stamp rebellion.
Thanks for the non answer. The tea parties (as presented to the folks attending) were a supposed revolt. I asked, against what? Taxes?

And just for the record, I'm not going to get into a 40 post debate with you. I've noticed that you have a way of taking over threads lately, and I don't really want that here, in all due respect.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

It's a shame that someone who is a teacher considers the guys at the Boston Tea Party (for which the Tea Party movement was named) were pansies.

If anyone thinks the name is lame they are sorely lacking in education. Why not educate instead of placate?

Who said that they were lame? IT WAS TEA. See how that was appropriate at the time? You don't see where it just is just silly and weak in this circumstance? Do you always spin this much?

[WildRose]

No it was never represented as a "revolt" they were represented as a protest.

The tea parties in the spirit of the Boston Tea party were organized as protests against tax increases, insane spending, and people no longer feeling "represented" by their elected officials in Washington.

The Boston Tea party and stamp revolt were all about tax increases and "taxation without representation". They didn't feel it was their duty to pay for the king's ridiculous spending when they, the colonists, were not being represented, or getting their money's worth.

But then I'd think a teach would know that and be able to make the connection.

If you don't want to get into a debate or discussion, don't start a thread.

[WildRose]

IT WAS TEA. See how that was appropriate at the time? You don't see where it just is just silly and weak in this circumstance? Do you always spin this much?


No but I apparantly have an understanding and appreciation for hitory, both distant and recent which you lack.

[Blindeye101]

I am trying to come up with a few.

"I Am Your Boss"
"People Iterated Stupid Spending"

[BillBrown]

No but I apparantly have an understanding and appreciation for hitory, both distant and recent which you lack.

I like hitory, too. It's intereting :))

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

It occured to me this morning - how about:

We the People

Doesn't that capture the spirit of these events?

[Mohawk5]

How about we just forget logos and tear **** up the way liberals do when they protest.

It seems to get what they want done.

[MasterBlaster]

So Stimulus Part Deux is going to be upon us soon. With so many people getting fed up with the endless spending perhaps now is the time to really rise up, and bring some moderates (and even liberals) with us.

It is becoming apparent that people are appreciating the politicians that are taking a stand, and people that were in the dark before are waking up to the reality that this administration is toxic to our economy and way of life.

I anticipate that there will be protests when the libs start yet another money/power/pet project grab. Enough is enough a long time ago.

But first, I think a little flippin' proactiveness might be in order, which is something the GOP seems to lack. I say, first ditch the "tea party" term. It's not time for tea, it's time for a full press revolt.

I have some ideas on renaming the protest, but I'd like to hear some creative ones from the forum members. We also need to get the GOP leadership dialed into the process. It's time to take it to the streets in an aggressive (nonviolent) way. It's time to be heard.

Thoughts?

(pansy meaning "sissy"...before I get thrown into TTTM)
I have no idea as to what you are trying to say? The tea parties are named after the Boston Tea Party. Brave future Americans acting upon what they felt was right. This was one of many acts that led to the American Revolution.

Is your knowledge of history overshadowed by little girls sitting around a table?

And of course, the ignorant sexual use by the liberals around here is expected from them.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

So the criticism seems to have evolved around the name "tea party"......sorry for using a "histroical game changing event" to label the more recent ralleys.

You see...many of us APPRECIATE our history.

Funny how Obama ridiculed us for our tea party's. I do not recall him ridiculing those that protested the results of the gay marriage prop 8....AND THAT WAS A VOTE they were protesting.

And funny how he refers to those against his health care plan as "fear mongerers"....

So now if we wish to speak our minds we are fear mongerers?

What the hell is this country (the population) coming to?
By your logic, those idiot organizers of the Million Man March should have just called their event A TEA PARTY. What in the heck were they thinking? :rolleyes:

That would have made about as much sense. They could've shown up with placards reading 'no taxation without representation' wandering around trying to find a cohesive theme.

By the way, my family attended the first event, and it was quite clear that everyone had a different notion about what the event was even about. That's why we didn't go on the 4th of July's event. Hard to rally around 47 different messages, know what I mean? And if you do, you will get hit hard by the left claiming "We won. You lost. Get over it. You're just mad your side lost." Lack of specificity sort of backs that position.

[Trip]

By your logic, those idiot organizers of the Million Man March should have just called their event A TEA PARTY. What in the heck were they thinking? :rolleyes:

That would have made about as much sense. They could've shown up with placards reading 'no taxation without representation' wandering around trying to find a cohesive theme.

By the way, my family attended the first event, and it was quite clear that everyone had a different notion about what the event was even about. That's why we didn't go on the 4th of July's event. Hard to rally around 47 different messages, know what I mean? And if you do, you will get hit hard by the left claiming "We won. You lost. Get over it. You're just mad your side lost." Lack of specificity sort of backs that position.

Everyone does indeed have a different notion about what it's about.

But those have gradually coalesced. There's a lot that our government is doing to rob our freedom and this done in the dark of night.

I did a few posters for the first one that seemed to work:
Socialism Chains (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/tparty/SocialismChains2.jpg)
Bailout The Constitution (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/tparty/BAILOUT.jpg)
Rescue Liberty (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/tparty/RESCUE.jpg)

[IndyBec]

Patriots for America

Our government. America for the individual, not for the corporation, the special interest, or the politician.

[animalnut]

I see nothing wrong with using the term Tea Party. It is symbolic of our ancestors' protest against intrusive government and the unfair taxes were just part of it.

[animalnut]

By your logic, those idiot organizers of the Million Man March should have just called their event A TEA PARTY. What in the heck were they thinking? :rolleyes:

That would have made about as much sense. They could've shown up with placards reading 'no taxation without representation' wandering around trying to find a cohesive theme.

By the way, my family attended the first event, and it was quite clear that everyone had a different notion about what the event was even about. That's why we didn't go on the 4th of July's event. Hard to rally around 47 different messages, know what I mean? And if you do, you will get hit hard by the left claiming "We won. You lost. Get over it. You're just mad your side lost." Lack of specificity sort of backs that position.

I thought their message was quite clear. Almost every sign I saw was protesting the massive deficit and outrageous spending.

You could start your own movement and name it whatever you choose. It's people who are angry who will ultimately make a difference. I agree with your stance on the spending, but I just disagree with calling the Tea Parties a pansy name. It is symbolic, and most people know that.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

I thought their message was quite clear. Almost every sign I saw was protesting the massive deficit and outrageous spending.

You could start your own movement and name it whatever you choose. It's people who are angry who will ultimately make a difference. I agree with your stance on the spending, but I just disagree with calling the Tea Parties a pansy name. It is symbolic, and most people know that.

Let's be honest, maybe 1/2 the signs were about spending. Some were anti-Obama, and some were anti-taxation. Let's keep in mind, when the first Tea Party took place, the question posed to the crowds was "what taxes are you protesting?" by the LMSM. These were organized prior to the cap and tax, etc. so having it be a protest against taxation didn't make sense. In my honest opinion, it was a bit of a disaster. And again, my family participated. There was no clear message. It never should've been called a Tea Party. Who came up with that? Wasn't it Santelli when he went on his rant (which I loved, BTW)? It wasn't a well thought out plan. The GOP needs to be specific, or else we will just be appearing (perhaps rightfully so) that we are chasing our tails around.

I'm not calling the original Tea Partiers pansies. I'm saying it sounds silly today...because, well, a Tea Party sounds like just that - a Tea Party. They are totally different events.

You're free to disagree though, these are just my thoughts.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Patriots for America

Our government. America for the individual, not for the corporation, the special interest, or the politician.

That's got a great sound to it. I haven't heard anything like that yet...

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Everyone does indeed have a different notion about what it's about.

But those have gradually coalesced. There's a lot that our government is doing to rob our freedom and this done in the dark of night.

I did a few posters for the first one that seemed to work:
Socialism Chains (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/tparty/SocialismChains2.jpg)
Bailout The Constitution (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/tparty/BAILOUT.jpg)
Rescue Liberty (http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp337/tjmccann/tparty/RESCUE.jpg)

Those signs make perfect sense. But you are probably more politically astute than the majority of people that attended. You understood what it was all about.

[Trip]

Those signs make perfect sense. But you are probably more politically astute than the majority of people that attended. You understood what it was all about.

PM, well thank you for that benefit, however some even here would put the emphasis on the first syllable of that word. ;) One person's politically astute is another's paranoia or partisanship these days. I never saw party being as important as ideals, or more specifically the foundations of the country, which has left me feeling on the outs lately.

By the way, my strange avie today is from another expression of liberty in the Disney archives, a classic set in the time period of the American revolution.
Doctor Syn: The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDYId2Ab1o8)(1964)

[Stantz]

Earl Grey Festivity

[WreckedParty]

The whole "Tea Party" thing sucks... IMHO.

Look, suppose you hired someone to perform a service for you... say represent your interests in a particular forum. If they failed to represent your interests to your satisfaction, would you hold a sit-in in your office to show them how dissatisfied you were with their job performance? I think not. I believe you would get rid of them and hire someone who would better represent your interests.

Likewise, if there are so many people who are dissatisfied with the representation in government that they are receiving from the folks they hired for that job, those people should use their vote to kick them out of office next time. Hell, if there are that many dissatisfied folks out there, it should be possible to impeach some Congress-critters outright. (Is that possible?)

I'm not against their efforts... I just think that either many of those protesting do not vote... or else they are simply a minority with sour-grapes syndrome.


The thing is, were being taxed and going to be taxed even more without representation, how can you call a vote that was pushed without sufficient time to read a bill representation? Congress has no checks and balances anymore, and they are violating every ethics rule that were supposed to prevent this kind of nonsense. Its time for us to oust the political thugs we have now, and state that were not going to let them get away with this crap anymore (and its been going on for quite a while).

[brody]

The "Tea Party" monicker would have been better if the message "No Taxation Without Representation" (the purpose of the original Tea Party) had been attached to it and stressed from the very beginning.

We all know what they are all about, but it leaves some wondering "What are these Tea Parties actually all about?"

By not promoting a clear intent, they have left themselves open to accusations of them being "simply another Obama haters' rally" and the like.

Isn't "No Taxation Without Representation" the message that is intended?

[RowdyTexan]

The TEA party name is what we started with and honestly we shouldn't get caught up in 'dressing up' the movement. It started out of protest of all the taxing, spending and general out of control this government has gotten. Drawing on the inspiration of the original Tea party as a way of saying enough is enough is what the TEA Party movement is about. I'm gonna agree with Doug... :wall: .... No corporatism, lets keep it simple.

The history of the Boston Tea Party is something that all Americans share regardless of political affiliation. If we start trying to name it and organize it then it's going to take on the political personality of those doing the organizing. Then you run the risk of losing a part of the movement that have differing stances on things.

[animalnut]

The "Tea Party" monicker would have been better if the message "No Taxation Without Representation" (the purpose of the original Tea Party) had been attached to it and stressed from the very beginning.

We all know what they are all about, but it leaves some wondering "What are these Tea Parties actually all about?"

By not promoting a clear intent, they have left themselves open to accusations of them being "simply another Obama haters' rally" and the like.

Isn't "No Taxation Without Representation" the message that is intended?

Most of the signs I saw were protesting the pork in the stimulus package, and the stimulus package itself.

[Trip]

The "Tea Party" monicker would have been better if the message "No Taxation Without Representation" (the purpose of the original Tea Party) had been attached to it and stressed from the very beginning.

We all know what they are all about, but it leaves some wondering "What are these Tea Parties actually all about?"

By not promoting a clear intent, they have left themselves open to accusations of them being "simply another Obama haters' rally" and the like.

Isn't "No Taxation Without Representation" the message that is intended?

Yes, taxation without representation is a part, but so is government exceeding its bounds and many have more grave concerns that there are those who are undermining our national sovereignty and, thereby, in violation of their very oath of office. This leads to the question of Treason. Taxation presumes at least the interests and benefit of the country, which is not necessarily true here. As with the first Tea Party, it's far more than just taxation: it's about freedoms.

[animalnut]

Let's be honest, maybe 1/2 the signs were about spending. Some were anti-Obama, and some were anti-taxation. Let's keep in mind, when the first Tea Party took place, the question posed to the crowds was "what taxes are you protesting?" by the LMSM. These were organized prior to the cap and tax, etc. so having it be a protest against taxation didn't make sense. In my honest opinion, it was a bit of a disaster. And again, my family participated. There was no clear message. It never should've been called a Tea Party. Who came up with that? Wasn't it Santelli when he went on his rant (which I loved, BTW)? It wasn't a well thought out plan. The GOP needs to be specific, or else we will just be appearing (perhaps rightfully so) that we are chasing our tails around.

I'm not calling the original Tea Partiers pansies. I'm saying it sounds silly today...because, well, a Tea Party sounds like just that - a Tea Party. They are totally different events.

You're free to disagree though, these are just my thoughts.

I understand your frustration. I only saw one or two anti-Obama signs, and they were about the spending - blaming him for saddling someone's grandchildren with the deficit.

To me it doesn't remind me of a Tea Party - it reminds me of our forefathers who had had enough of the British oppression, and yes, taxation without representation. It may have come from Santelli - he's really the one that got the country fired up. What's sad is that the Rasumussen poll today showed that 44% of people generally feel the government is doing too much. 31% actually feel the government is NOT doing ENOUGH. They must be living in caves.

[brody]

Funny, I have heard nothing (and I mean NOTHING) about the recent July 4th Tea Parties anywhere in the media - not even on FOX or talk radio.

So, should I conclude that they might as well never even have happened?

[Trip]

Funny, I have heard nothing (and I mean NOTHING) about the recent July 4th Tea Parties anywhere in the media - not even on FOX or talk radio.

So, should I conclude that they might as well never even have happened?

They were poorly timed, poorly publicized and, obviously, poorly executed, which doesn't help the movement.

[RowdyTexan]

Funny, I have heard nothing (and I mean NOTHING) about the recent July 4th Tea Parties anywhere in the media - not even on FOX or talk radio.

So, should I conclude that they might as well never even have happened?

You could. And you would be mistaken.

The point isn't to get on the evening news but to start getting people active in grassroots groups and that is what's happening. We don't need media coverage for this to work. People knocking on doors and getting together as neighborhoods and talking about how best to tell our elected representatives that we're watching is what this movement is striving for. Change through accountability. The TEA Party movement is about no longer giving consent through silence.

[ayatollah jimminy carter]

The name should be something connected with anti- Bolshevism.
I'll think on it.
How about The Counter Revolution?

[ayatollah jimminy carter]

I have no idea...
And of course, the ignorant sexual use by the liberals around here is expected from them.
It wasn't the liberasls who got that ball rolling.

[Nevarwinter]

I think that "rebranding" a movement that's supposed to be a grassroots movement smacks of corporatism, which is the opposite of what a grassroots movement is supposed to be.

Doug

Well, when it comes right down to it, in the left the PotUS can say he's mobilizing grassroots organizations and it can be considered grassroots. If a conservative minded individuals get together without any help, then its considered astroturf.

You guys own the "grassroots" thing, so rebranding the tea party is immaterial, right?

[brody]

I see that the points I made in my recent posts here were also made by another as recently as the previous page - which I should have read.

How about The Counter Revolution?
Uh, the "Progressive Movement" is the "Counter Revolution".

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

The thing is, were being taxed and going to be taxed even more without representation, how can you call a vote that was pushed without sufficient time to read a bill representation? Congress has no checks and balances anymore, and they are violating every ethics rule that were supposed to prevent this kind of nonsense. Its time for us to oust the political thugs we have now, and state that were not going to let them get away with this crap anymore (and its been going on for quite a while).

The people chose to elect representatives that would pass a bill without reading it. That doesn't mean that there isn't representation. I totally agree, more accountability has to be brought to the forefront. A poll today shows 30% want more government. That is a large population.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

The "Tea Party" monicker would have been better if the message "No Taxation Without Representation" (the purpose of the original Tea Party) had been attached to it and stressed from the very beginning.

We all know what they are all about, but it leaves some wondering "What are these Tea Parties actually all about?"

By not promoting a clear intent, they have left themselves open to accusations of them being "simply another Obama haters' rally" and the like.

Isn't "No Taxation Without Representation" the message that is intended?

I would have to say no to the last question. A) We are represented and B) The first Tea Party was in protest to the power/money/spending spree of the TARP 1 and the Stimulus Package.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

The TEA party name is what we started with and honestly we shouldn't get caught up in 'dressing up' the movement. It started out of protest of all the taxing, spending and general out of control this government has gotten. Drawing on the inspiration of the original Tea party as a way of saying enough is enough is what the TEA Party movement is about. I'm gonna agree with Doug... :wall: .... No corporatism, lets keep it simple.

The history of the Boston Tea Party is something that all Americans share regardless of political affiliation. If we start trying to name it and organize it then it's going to take on the political personality of those doing the organizing. Then you run the risk of losing a part of the movement that have differing stances on things.
Not if it's a purely non partisan movement, which is should be.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Funny, I have heard nothing (and I mean NOTHING) about the recent July 4th Tea Parties anywhere in the media - not even on FOX or talk radio.

So, should I conclude that they might as well never even have happened?
My husband was looking for information and couldn't find much. His statements about that fact prompted me to ask myself what the future is for the "Tea Parties", which is why I started this thread. The interest is already greatly diminished, which I find to be a shame.

[LibHunter]

"The Great American Congressional Smackdown"

"RAW" Revolt Against Wiberawism

"A Good Old Fashion Politician Skinnin' "

"A Pelosi Hunt"

"A Reid Wackin' "

"Wack -a- Pol"

"Hang 'Em High"

[Trip]

"The Great American Congressional Smackdown"

"RAW" Revolt Against Wiberawism

"A Good Old Fashion Politician Skinnin' "

"A Pelosi Hunt"

"A Reid Wackin' "

"Wack -a- Pol"

"Hang 'Em High"


Hmm, that last one's been done, but perhaps with a TWIST...

Bad Trip, bad pun!

[JeffR]

I always though "tea party" was an odd choice, since the protests have nothing to do with taxes.

[agent_86]

They have everything to do with taxation without representation.

Printing money that is unbacked, is the equivalent to taxing, except you don't have to actually raise taxes. You just pretend you're helping them.

Outrageous spending = taxing someone at some point. For a government to give, it must first take.

Is this really that hard to understand?

[JeffR]

They have everything to do with taxation without representation.

Printing money that is unbacked, is the equivalent to taxing, except you don't have to actually raise taxes. You just pretend you're helping them.

Outrageous spending = taxing someone at some point. For a government to give, it must first take.

Is this really that hard to understand?
We should have started these tea parties during the last administration!

[agent_86]

We should have started these tea parties during the last administration!

Maybe so, but Bush did not rampage spend for six months straight. He just did it once at the end of his term. And in case you don't recall, the people melted comm lines into Washington to help their representatives decide NOT to enact it... yet they did anyway.

That was the start of the movement.

[JeffR]

Maybe so, but Bush did not rampage spend for six months straight. He just did it once at the end of his term. And in case you don't recall, the people melted comm lines into Washington to help their representatives decide NOT to enact it... yet they did anyway.

That was the start of the movement.
The excess printing of money and outrageous spending occurred throughout his administration. We could have had tea parties on April 15, 2008.

[agent_86]

The excess printing of money and outrageous spending occurred throughout his administration. We could have had tea parties on April 15, 2008.

That is true, but comparing Obama's spending with Bush's is like comparing my wife's shoe collection with Imelda Marcos' collection.