Mysterious Mystery; Tunguska Incident

[JudasGoat]

Was watching some things posted on YT dealing with the Tunguska event back in 1909. If you don't know, there was an explosion in the remote woodlands of Tunguska (Russia) that was estimated to be 1000 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on hiroshima. It leveled around 2100 square kilometers of trees (yet there were trees left standing near the blast center). No scientists went to the location until around 1927. even then the devastation was clearly apparrent. The blast was felt and recorded in London and the sky was lit up at night and mistaken for teh northern lights. You can look up and read further details if you like, it's pretty interesting.
There are some pretty smart people here so I was wondering what your thoughts are on what this are. Popular theories espoused;
Comet explosion a few miles above the impact area
antimater explosion
ufo explosion
black hole
asteroid explosion
some have even said it had something to do with some of Tesla's experiments.
what say you?

[curtis123]

I've seen documentaries about it. That's all the knowledge I have on it, but it's really fascinating.

One group recreated the tree blast pattern in a laboratory, using a small explosive at certain trajectories, and they duplicated it nearly exact.

They believe it was a small comet, if I recall, and there was no impact. It just exploded above the terrain. That's why trees directly below it were still standing, because the blast came straight down on them.

It couldn't have hit in a better spot. Just imagine if something like that hit in a densely populated area.

(Tesla's experiments?? People haven't changed much over the last century.)

[JudasGoat]

I've seen documentaries about it. That's all the knowledge I have on it, but it's really fascinating.

One group recreated the tree blast pattern in a laboratory, using a small explosive at certain trajectories, and they duplicated it nearly exact.

They believe it was a small comet, if I recall, and there was no impact. It just exploded above the terrain. That's why trees directly below it were still standing, because the blast came straight down on them.

It couldn't have hit in a better spot. Just imagine if something like that hit in a densely populated area.

(Tesla's experiments?? People haven't changed much over the last century.)

If you get the chance and haven't done so, you should check out some docu's about him and the stuff he did. It's a crime edison gets so much praise when Tesla clearly wiped his butt with him.
I read something saying that some new theories are that the lake near the site may be an impact site because it's only dated around 100 years old. Still, with the blast pattern it would seem that something still exploded over top of that area before making a crater/lake, if in fact that is what happened.

[ThrowCop]

I have read a couple of books on it & saw a documentary that simulated the effect that a comet exploding some distance above the ground. That seemed like the best fit with the felling of trees, etc.

[JudasGoat]

I have read a couple of books on it & saw a documentary that simulated the effect that a comet exploding some distance above the ground. That seemed like the best fit with the felling of trees, etc.

don't lie...

[curtis123]

If you get the chance and haven't done so, you should check out some docu's about him and the stuff he did. It's a crime edison gets so much praise when Tesla clearly wiped his butt with him.
I read something saying that some new theories are that the lake near the site may be an impact site because it's only dated around 100 years old. Still, with the blast pattern it would seem that something still exploded over top of that area before making a crater/lake, if in fact that is what happened.

Oh, I know of Tesla. Edison wasn't even in his league.

What I find funny is people suspecting his experiements causing a blast like that. They haven't changed much over the years.

[ThrowCop]

don't lie...okay, there was a comic I looked at...


:lol:

[Creefer]

Aliens. Maybe the moon castle launched a rocket at us.

[JudasGoat]

okay, there was a comic I looked at...


:lol:

:lol:

[JudasGoat]

Aliens. Maybe the moon castle launched a rocket at us.

hey, I liked his thread and thought it was interesting. :neutral:


I don't know what it was. Why would an exploding comet cause a few nights of daylight brightness that people could read books by? I would think an explosion would be an explosion and that's it. What caused the bright (and depending on what region of the world, different colored) light and "false dawn"?

[Quid]

hey, I liked his thread and thought it was interesting. :neutral:


I don't know what it was. Why would an exploding comet cause a few nights of daylight brightness that people could read books by? I would think an explosion would be an explosion and that's it. What caused the bright (and depending on what region of the world, different colored) light and "false dawn"?

tiny particles of debris floating in the atmosphere by the explosion would interact with the light of the sun before settling out of the air.

[JudasGoat]

tiny particles of debris floating in the atmosphere by the explosion would interact with the light of the sun before settling out of the air.

aaahhhh...that makes sense. Can you tell me this while we're at it?
If the moon rotates around the earth, and our day is russia/china's night, do they EVER see the moon? Lots of times I see the moon during the day and unless it's a new moon can always find it at night. How do we get to monopolize so much of the moon's presence?

[ThrowCop]

aaahhhh...that makes sense. Can you tell me this while we're at it?
If the moon rotates around the earth, and our day is russia/china's night, do they EVER see the moon? Lots of times I see the moon during the day and unless it's a new moon can always find it at night. How do we get to monopolize so much of the moon's presence?We got to the Moon first.

Possession is 9/10's of the law.

[Quid]

aaahhhh...that makes sense. Can you tell me this while we're at it?
If the moon rotates around the earth, and our day is russia/china's night, do they EVER see the moon? Lots of times I see the moon during the day and unless it's a new moon can always find it at night. How do we get to monopolize so much of the moon's presence?

We don't actually. Russia/china see the moon the same amount we do. As a matter of fact, you can see the moon during the day as often as you see it during the night. When it rises and where in the sky is determined by the moon's position in its orbit around Earth.

Earth rotates in its axis every 24 hours, but it takes the moon 22 days to revolve in its orbit around earth. So if it is 12 AM in the USA and we can see the moon directly above us in the sky then it is 12 PM in Russia and the moon is not visible. Fast forward 12 hours and it is now 12 AM in Russia with the moon visible and 12 PM in the USA with the moon not visible. Fast forward 11 days you will have the same situation, just the the moon will be visible during the day and not the night.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

I’ve seen a lot of the Documentaries on this over the years and it has been proven to be an aerial bust because of the dispersion pattern of the fallen trees. No evidence of what it was that caused it has been found thus, the comet theories developed.

My personal belief is that it was caused by an asteroid breaking apart a few miles above ground. Lots of data on that as has been shown. I believe that over the comet theory because the comet would’ve broken up too soon to have made it that close to the ground before vaporizing in an explosion.

The resulting fire over that many acres with its smoke filling the air and any remaining vapor trail would’ve been what people saw as the glow coming from the atmosphere.

The other theories are just to bizarre to consider.

[Quid]

It is also important to remember that the Moon's orbit is tilted 23º away from the earth's orbit around the sun. Combine this with it's 22 day orbital period, and that means that the moon doesn't rise and set in the sky in the same regular and predictable fashion as the sun. Don't get me wrong, with the right math, the moon position can be predicted millions of years into the future, it is just that with out a map/calender/math the moon position can SEEM random.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

shape-shifting sentient robots...

they've been around for ages...

[Cold_War_Warrior]

It is also important to remember that the Moon's orbit is tilted 23º away from the earth's orbit around the sun. Combine this with it's 22 day orbital period, and that means that the moon doesn't rise and set in the sky in the same regular and predictable fashion as the sun. Don't get me wrong, with the right math, the moon position can be predicted millions of years into the future, it is just that with out a map/calender/math the moon position can SEEM random.

All right then…if the crescent moon is near the horizon in our evening and can be seen at night…can’t the sky gazer in Asia also see the moon except in their daytime hours tomorrow?

If so, then are we not seeing into the future?

Also, how can a moving object occupy the same space and be seen at two points in time?

[Quid]

All right then…if the crescent moon is near the horizon in our evening and can be seen at night…can’t the sky gazer in Asia also see the moon except in their daytime hours tomorrow?

If so, then are we not seeing into the future?

Also, how can a moving object occupy the same space and be seen at two points in time?

No, not necessarily. If the moon rises and sets while it is still dark here (i.e. the moon rises after the sun goes down and sets before the sun comes up) then it is doing just the opposite for those on the other side for the planet, rising and setting while it is light out. If the moon can be seen here for a full night, (The moon rises and sunset and sets at dawn, then russia/asia did not see the moon at all during their daytime.

You must remember that if it is 12 AM here and 12 PM in Russia, they do NOT exist in the future. Events that occur at 12 PM there happen simultaneously with events that occur at 12 AM here. Just because it is noon there and midnight here doesn't mean that they are actually 12 hours more advanced into the future.

Our method of keeping time is based on our PHYSICAL position in relation to the sun. Our method of keeping time is also arbitrary because it is human construct. So, just because we can see the moon here at night and they can see the same moon during the day doesn't mean that the Moon is in the same place at two different points in time. It just means that two people happen to be looking at the moon simultaneously at at different points of a human created timeline based on sun position.

[King Cantona]

I saw a documentary about it, they still have people travelling from all over to the location, it was a meteor. That seems pretty clear to me anyway, just another unexplained phenomena...

[LouC]

Aliens. Maybe the moon castle launched a rocket at us.

Nah it was the Shard that done it, the Shard I tell ya...

[LouC]

I think the asteroid that exploded vaporized was mostly ice and that is why there is no real physical evidence.

Seems I remember in a documentary or some other show that some group was studying historical records (no not like in Galaxy Quest) to see if they could link the blast to a recorded comet.

Guess it never worked out.

[StoneScratcher]

Question: When is the earth's moon and the sun in the same position?

Answer: Every 18 years 11 1/3 days the earth moon and sun are in very nearly the same relative positions; for this reason solar and lunar eclipses recur in a cycle with this period. This cycle was known to the Chaldaeans (fl. 1000-540 BC) and was called the saros by them. Halley's comet reappears in a cycle whose period is about 75 years.

http://qanda.encyclopedia.com/question/earth-moon-and-sun-same-position-138069.html

Summer Moon Illusion
06.20.05


The lowest-hanging full moon in 18 years is going to play tricks on you this week. Sometimes you can't believe your eyes. This week is one of those times.
Step outside any evening at sunset and look around. You'll see a giant moon rising in the east. It looks like Earth's moon, round and cratered; the Man in the Moon is in his usual place. But something's wrong. This full moon is strangely inflated. It's huge!
You've just experienced the Moon Illusion.

Sky watchers have known this for thousands of years: moons hanging low in the sky look unnaturally big. Cameras don't see it, but our eyes do. It's a real illusion.

:think: But there's a problem. Airline pilots flying at very high altitudes sometimes experience the Moon Illusion without any objects in the foreground. What tricks their eyes?

Maybe it's the shape of the sky.:eh: Humans perceive the sky as a flattened dome, with the zenith nearby and the horizon far away. It makes sense: Birds flying overhead are closer than birds on the horizon. When the moon is near the horizon, your brain, trained by watching birds, miscalculates the moon's true distance and size.

Full article:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/20jun_moonillusion.html

[BillBrown]

Oh, I know of Tesla. Edison wasn't even in his league.

What I find funny is people suspecting his experiements causing a blast like that. They haven't changed much over the years.

Tesla did some amazing things we still can't reproduce.
He lighted an office building through the air, from several blocks away.
Did you ever read about his earthquake generator?