Controversial Birth Certificate Bill

[redbone]

Why do we need a brith certificate bill? It should already be a requirement. Now people have questions about Obama becasue of his action against the US. American should not go half the time Obama is doing to our country.

http://www.redstate.com/britcom/2009/06/30/rep-marsha-blackburn-r-tn-is-first-woman-to-co-sponsor-controversial-birth-certificate-bill/


A popular Tennessee Congresswoman,Marsha Blackburn (R), has become the first woman and the first Tennessean to add her name to the list of co-sponsors for Representative Bill Posey’s (R-FL) proposed amendment (HR-1503 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503)).
The bill amends the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, and would require candidates for President of the United States to provide among other things, “…a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate…”.

[Charlie A]

If foresee much wailing and gnashing of teeth...

[zantax]

All it takes is one state, one, to pass such a law and us crazy BC "troofers" will finally get an answer. But we also need a state to pass a law requiring proof you are a "natural born citizen" to force the court to finally and definitively define the term. But going by recent history I think it more likely the federal courts would rule that states aren't entitled to make sure a candidate is eligible for office instead.

[content]

Why do we need a brith certificate bill? It should already be a requirement. Now people have questions about Obama becasue of his action against the US. American should not go half the time Obama is doing to our country.

http://www.redstate.com/britcom/2009/06/30/rep-marsha-blackburn-r-tn-is-first-woman-to-co-sponsor-controversial-birth-certificate-bill/


A popular Tennessee Congresswoman,Marsha Blackburn (R), has become the first woman and the first Tennessean to add her name to the list of co-sponsors for Representative Bill Posey’s (R-FL) proposed amendment (HR-1503 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503)).
The bill amends the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, and would require candidates for President of the United States to provide among other things, “…a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate…”.

I'm in Blackburn's disctrict. She is nothing more than a parrot for the far right and is of no real substance. Not really surprised by this.

[Charlie A]

All it takes is one state, one, to pass such a law and us crazy BC "troofers" will finally get an answer. But we also need a state to pass a law requiring proof you are a "natural born citizen" to force the court to finally and definitively define the term. But going by recent history I think it more likely the federal courts would rule that states aren't entitled to make sure a candidate is eligible for office instead.

No way. The states can decide how they cast their votes for President. Individuals don't have the right to vote for President under the Constitution; the electoral college does that on behalf of the several states. *gnashes teeth*

[nortman]

If this bill is even discussed in the press it wll be from the angle that it is just the GOP hatemongers taking another shot at President Obama. It is my belief that this bill will not do the GOP any favors, it will backfire on them.

[Vaard]

mccain still would have fought it just like he did during the campaign.......

[zantax]

No way. The states can decide how they cast their votes for President. Individuals don't have the right to vote for President under the Constitution; the electoral college does that on behalf of the several states. *gnashes teeth*


Well, the courts have recently made it abundantly clear that individual citizens have no standing in regard to a President's eligibility, I'm just extrapolating the logical extension of that absurd premise.

[zantax]

If this bill is even discussed in the press it wll be from the angle that it is just the GOP hatemongers taking another shot at President Obama. It is my belief that this bill will not do the GOP any favors, it will backfire on them.

If the GOP wants to avoid bad press, they had just better become democrats.

[Debbie Shafer]

It has been well known that anyone who serves as President of the United States must be a citizen, born in the US. This is the requirement plain and simple and has been for over 200 years. Why should criteria be changed to suit certain individuals. No foreigner should be able to hold this office! Present proof of citizenship, or don't run for the office. Obama has had an easy ride by the press, while others have to live up to high standards!

[Vaard]

It has been well known that anyone who serves as President of the United States must be a citizen, born in the US. This is the requirement plain and simple and has been for over 200 years. Why should criteria be changed to suit certain individuals. No foreigner should be able to hold this office! Present proof of citizenship, or don't run for the office. Obama has had an easy ride by the press, while others have to live up to high standards!

yeah, makes one wonder why mccain went to court to fight the relase of his birth certificate.........

[zantax]

yeah, makes one wonder why mccain went to court to fight the relase of his birth certificate.........


Probably because he wasn't eligible either.

[Vaard]

Probably because he wasn't eligible either.

could be......


i myself would support such a measure that each canidate must provide an official copy of their BC to even enter the primaries........

[misterblue]

Well, the courts have recently made it abundantly clear that individual citizens have no standing in regard to a President's eligibility, I'm just extrapolating the logical extension of that absurd premise.

Check out the American Grand Jury. CHarges of treason have been filed in NJ. The US attorney had to answer by 6-29-09. They what it dropped. Claiming imunity. Cheney and Pelosi also have to answer this as at some point they must have been asked to verify has citezenship. Citizenship is important. Both parents must have been a citizen for at least 10 years before his birth. It is said his father was never a US citizen. Also that he went to school in Indonesia when he was 7 or 8 years old. You had to be a Indonesian citizen to attend their school at that time. No dual citizenshio was allowed. It is said they he also travel on a Indonesian passport when he was in his 20s.
This is not the only case and more are being filed.

[See It Clearly]

All it takes is one state, one, to pass such a law and us crazy BC "troofers" will finally get an answer. But we also need a state to pass a law requiring proof you are a "natural born citizen" to force the court to finally and definitively define the term. But going by recent history I think it more likely the federal courts would rule that states aren't entitled to make sure a candidate is eligible for office instead.

Why? Why doesn't Blowbama just prove it and end it all?

Hell, he could even collect a cool $25 million for his time.

www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com (http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com) is offering HIM the cash to prove it.

[misterblue]

Well, the courts have recently made it abundantly clear that individual citizens have no standing in regard to a President's eligibility, I'm just extrapolating the logical extension of that absurd premise.

You think it is not important that we don't have a loyall Irianian as our president. Or during the cold war a citizen of the USSR. Our founding fathers thought it was important where the presidents loyalty was. Your parents must also be US citizens at least ten years before your birth to qualify. There are good reasons for this.

[ThrowCop]

As a persistent pain in the backside to the Troofers, it may come as some surprise but I fully support both this measure AND some method of clearing up the official definition of "natural born" citizen.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I just have a hard time believing anyone thinks you can get on the ballot in any state without having your legal team prove your eligibility requirements.

[ThrowCop]

I just have a hard time believing anyone thinks you can get on the ballot in any state without having your legal team prove your eligibility requirements.Agreed. But it is a simple measure to stop this nonsense.

And I would like to see a definition for NBC come about as well.

[misterblue]

I believe Mcains father was in the millitary. Macain was not born in the US but is qaulified because his father was serving our Country.

[See It Clearly]

I just have a hard time believing anyone thinks you can get on the ballot in any state without having your legal team prove your eligibility requirements.

Do you find it "hard" to believe that there have been no, nada, zero, zilch documentaries or coverage of his birth home or the home where he grew up? Nothing about Brothers or Sisters, Aunts (not including the unfortunate story of his Aunt in Boston), Uncles, relatives. No interviews with actual people who knew him, went to school with him, friends who rode ponies at birthday parties...

Sure seems like we know a lot of this information about all of the previous president's hometown's, childhood homes, etc.

If this is so "hard" to believe why has EVERY attempt been blocked to reveal any information, i.e. college transcripts, birth certificate?

[misterblue]

As a persistent pain in the backside to the Troofers, it may come as some surprise but I fully support both this measure AND some method of clearing up the official definition of "natural born" citizen.

The qualifacations are spelled out. Both parents must have been US citizens at least ten years before your birth. If you are born out of the country it must be because a parent is serving in the US military.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Do you find it "hard" to believe that there have been no, nada, zero, zilch documentaries or coverage of his birth home or the home where he grew up? Nothing about Brothers or Sisters, Aunts (not including the unfortunate story of his Aunt in Boston), Uncles, relatives. No interviews with actual people who knew him, went to school with him, friends who rode ponies at birthday parties...

Sure seems like we know a lot of this information about all of the previous president's hometown's, childhood homes, etc.

If this is so "hard" to believe why has EVERY attempt been blocked to reveal any information, i.e. college transcripts, birth certificate?

It's a kooky conspiracy theory. There is no way that Obama got on the ballot in fifty states without having to prove his base eligibility requirements to every single State Board of Elections. It's impossible.

[See It Clearly]

It's a kooky conspiracy theory. There is no way that Obama got on the ballot in fifty states without having to prove his base eligibility requirements to every single State Board of Elections. It's impossible.
You didn't answer the question.

[misterblue]

It's a kooky conspiracy theory. There is no way that Obama got on the ballot in fifty states without having to prove his base eligibility requirements to every single State Board of Elections. It's impossible.


Check out the American Grand Jury. There are charges of treason against Obahma. Its not a joke. The judge thinks its important.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Check out the American Grand Jury. There are charges of treason against Obahma. Its not a joke. The judge thinks its important.

So Obama has been levying war against the United States or providing overt aid and comfort to our enemies? Srsly?

[ThrowCop]

The qualifacations are spelled out. Both parents must have been US citizens at least ten years before your birth. If you are born out of the country it must be because a parent is serving in the US military.Uhm... that is incorrect on every single detail.

And I am talking about the difference between a citizen & a "natural born" citizen.

The language is indeed murky.

[ThrowCop]

Check out the American Grand Jury. There are charges of treason against Obahma. Its not a joke. The judge thinks its important.For ****'s sake, do some googling before you post such drivel.

[misterblue]

Check out the American Grand Jury. There are charges of treason against Obahma. Its not a joke. The judge thinks its important.


The US attorney answered on 6-26-09. Wants it dropped claiming imunity. This could be a catch 22. The judge could say. Prove that you qualify for imunity. Which puts Obahma back to square one.

[misterblue]

For ****'s sake, do some googling before you post such drivel.


You cant do a search?

[ThrowCop]

You cant do a search?There is no, "Grand Jury" and there is no judge, there is no charge of treason. Your claim is fraudulent.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

He provided his birth certificate. Get over it.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Check out the American Grand Jury. CHarges of treason have been filed in NJ. The US attorney had to answer by 6-29-09. They what it dropped. Claiming imunity. Cheney and Pelosi also have to answer this as at some point they must have been asked to verify has citezenship. Citizenship is important. Both parents must have been a citizen for at least 10 years before his birth. It is said his father was never a US citizen. Also that he went to school in Indonesia when he was 7 or 8 years old. You had to be a Indonesian citizen to attend their school at that time. No dual citizenshio was allowed. It is said they he also travel on a Indonesian passport when he was in his 20s.
This is not the only case and more are being filed.

Crazy BC troofer thread is thataway --->

[Tom394]

He provided his birth certificate. Get over it.

You need to take a look at the "One and Only BC thread"- your claim has been proven false by many experts.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

You need to take a look at the "One and Only BC thread"- your claim has been proven false by many experts.

Experts my ass.

:lol:

[zantax]

I just have a hard time believing anyone thinks you can get on the ballot in any state without having your legal team prove your eligibility requirements.

Then maybe you can find the relevant statute requiring them to prove it. No one else seems to be able to do it.

[zantax]

He provided his birth certificate. Get over it.


Simply false.

[Ninjacorpse]

Crazy BC troofer thread is thataway --->

Who is nuttier, your average troofer or sanford?:think:

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Who is nuttier, your average troofer or sanford?:think:

I'm betting he's one of 'em :lol:

[ThrowCop]

Experts my ass.

:lol:http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p20/ThrowCop/Other%20Pic%20Replies/Proctologist.jpg

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Simply false.

Just because the troofers won't admit it, doesn't mean he didn't.

[Ninjacorpse]

I'm betting he's one of 'em :lol:

Well he probably is now since the meltdown,or was it that caused the meltdown? lol

[zantax]

Just because the troofers won't admit it, doesn't mean he didn't.


You know better, you know it wasn't the actual birth certificate and you know it wasn't provided to anyone qualified or with the actual ability to authenticate it.

[Dr BloodMoney]

The US attorney answered on 6-26-09. Wants it dropped claiming imunity. This could be a catch 22. The judge could say. Prove that you qualify for imunity. Which puts Obahma back to square one.

You're confusing an actual civil law case with the silly "American Grand Jury" things. They are two seperate things. The law suits are simply silly law suits, however at least they are real and in court. The Grand Juries are make believe.

[rjhambone]

if the gop wants to avoid bad press, they had just better become democrats.

+1

:d

[sironin]

Check out the American Grand Jury. CHarges of treason have been filed in NJ. The US attorney had to answer by 6-29-09. They what it dropped. Claiming imunity. Cheney and Pelosi also have to answer this as at some point they must have been asked to verify has citezenship. Citizenship is important. Both parents must have been a citizen for at least 10 years before his birth. It is said his father was never a US citizen. Also that he went to school in Indonesia when he was 7 or 8 years old. You had to be a Indonesian citizen to attend their school at that time. No dual citizenshio was allowed. It is said they he also travel on a Indonesian passport when he was in his 20s.
This is not the only case and more are being filed.

That is factually incorrect. I suggest you educate yourself on the laws in Indonesia that both grant Indonesian citizenship to the foreign wife/children of a mixed marriage as long as the father/husband is Indonesian and still allow the foreign wife/children to retain their original citizenship. It is natural born Indonesian citizens that are not permitted to have dual citizenship.

Under US law, no action by the parent can revoke citizenship of children born in the US. Under US law, anyone born on American soil is an American citizen from birth, i.e. natural born citizen rather than a naturalized citizen (born in a foreign country but obtained US citizenship). The two American parent requirement is only for children born on foreign soil, such as McCain.

And you really should take further baseless speculation to the one, the only, BC thread.

[Thank you Troops]

I see no problem with upholding the Constitution of the US.

[zantax]

I see no problem with upholding the Constitution of the US.


Nutcase, "troofer", extremist...

[Guild-Sfire]

You know better, you know it wasn't the actual birth certificate and you know it wasn't provided to anyone qualified or with the actual ability to authenticate it.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


Wrong...

And why were there Birth announcements in both Hawaii Newspapers. of a son, born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H Obama....on Aug. 4 1961?

Did Obama go back in time?

[zantax]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


Wrong...

And why were there Birth announcements in both Hawaii Newspapers. of a son, born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H Obama....on Aug. 4 1961?

Did Obama go back in time?


The only way to verify a certificate of live birth is to have access to the state of Hawaii's physical record, you know, his actual birth certificate. And Hawaii'an law allowed unattended births to be recorded, all you had to do was make a statement saying he was born in Hawaii, no further proof required. The fact that it was in the paper proves nothing more then that someone asserted he was born there. And no, it wouldn't require a massive conspiracy that foresaw his one day running for President, there are plenty of benefits to being an American citizen beside the ability to run for President that provide motive for deception.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The only way to verify a certificate of live birth is to have access to the state of Hawaii's physical record, you know, his actual birth certificate. And Hawaii'an law allowed unattended births to be recorded, all you had to do was make a statement saying he was born in Hawaii, no further proof required. The fact that it was in the paper proves nothing more then that someone asserted he was born there. And no, it wouldn't require a massive conspiracy that foresaw his one day running for President, there are plenty of benefits to being an American citizen beside the ability to run for President that provide motive for deception.

You're right that there are benefits to being an American citizen. It's the natural-born part that doesn't add much to the proceedings...

There are only two real benefits to being a natural-born American citizen...one is the ability to run for president/VP (naturalized citizens CAN run for Congress, I believe they just can't be included in the succession) and the other is that a natural-born citizen can't be deported.

There simply isn't any good reason for Ann Dunham to have lied about where her son was born at the time. I'm pretty sure he wasn't being groomed for a presidential run from birth, and I don't know of any parent who plans for their children to do something stupid enough for them to get deported.

[Mohawk5]

Here we go again.

[obomanation]

It's a kooky conspiracy theory. There is no way that Obama got on the ballot in fifty states without having to prove his base eligibility requirements to every single State Board of Elections. It's impossible.

It would appear kooky in the normal galaxy of politics. But there is no way a two year old senator decides he should run for president. There is some heavy lifting here outside the normal sphere of the natural.

UNLIMITED INCOME for one, with no accounting for out of country pockets. There is control over things that have never happened before. His political pedigree from Chicago would have tainted anyone else and made it a problem. Whole records have been cleaned up, pasts have been made unsearchable and unknowable.

Kooky? Sure is. Pelosi and Fact Check do not pass the test of clearing Nutjob's elgibility. Call me kooky.

Let's have a real press conference since everything is wide open. People should be able to ask even kooky questions. Nutjob does not allow that. He retains more secrets as a Rosswell UFO site in the desert. Kooky.

When you bury the truth with another layer that dismisses any attempt to find the truth by such labeling as "conspiracy" and "troofers", you are pretty good. Clever.

Clinton didn't have sexual encounters either and that was all conspiracy. Seems this is a favorite tactic when hiding from the "troof".

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Here we go again.
Ayep

[ThrowCop]

It's too bad that it always comes to this (and I am quite guilty of helping it along) as the question of what makes one a "natural born" citizen is an interesting topic.

[zantax]

You're right that there are benefits to being an American citizen. It's the natural-born part that doesn't add much to the proceedings...

There are only two real benefits to being a natural-born American citizen...one is the ability to run for president/VP (naturalized citizens CAN run for Congress, I believe they just can't be included in the succession) and the other is that a natural-born citizen can't be deported.

There simply isn't any good reason for Ann Dunham to have lied about where her son was born at the time. I'm pretty sure he wasn't being groomed for a presidential run from birth, and I don't know of any parent who plans for their children to do something stupid enough for them to get deported.


Of course there was incentive, less paperwork in order for him to be a citizen and given the law at the time there is a question if he could have been made a citizen at all given his mothers age at the time of his birth if he was born out of the country.

[ksdb]

It's a kooky conspiracy theory. There is no way that Obama got on the ballot in fifty states without having to prove his base eligibility requirements to every single State Board of Elections. It's impossible.
It's not impossible at all. It's the whole point for the bill in the OP, because there's obviously no current requirement to show documentation that proves basic elegibility is being met.

[ksdb]

yeah, makes one wonder why mccain went to court to fight the relase of his birth certificate.........
He didn't go to court for this reason. Nice mischaracterization.

[timjy]

I see no problem with upholding the Constitution of the US.
Remember it is a flawed document to this band of thieves.

[ThrowCop]

Remember it is a flawed document to this band of thieves.Yeah, we should never have added those pesky Amendments...

[WorldWatcher]

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No problem what-so-ever on requiring any candidate to supply documentation that they actually qualify for any office to which they are seeking election.




>>>>

[Frau Blucher]

yeah, makes one wonder why mccain went to court to fight the relase of his birth certificate.........


He didn't want us all to know that he really is much older than we think!!!!:))

[joeschmoe]

If Obama was not born in Hawaii, yet Hawaii issued him a REAL certificate of live birth, then in effect he is a natural born citizen. It's not really Obama's fault. It is the result of America making Hawaii the 50th state and having the problem of making all the natives U.S. citizens at that time. It was a case of Obama's mother being in the right place at the right time when she got back from Kenya after giving birth to Obama. But, he did go to Pakistan when he was in College. The question would be, what passport did he use? His Indonesian passport?

http://forums.hannity.com/picture.php?albumid=2371&pictureid=27591

[zantax]

If Obama was not born in Hawaii, yet Hawaii issued him a REAL certificate of live birth, then in effect he is a natural born citizen. It's not really Obama's fault. It is the result of America making Hawaii the 50th state and having the problem of making all the natives U.S. citizens at that time. It was a case of Obama's mother being in the right place at the right time when she got back from Kenya after giving birth to Obama. But, he did go to Pakistan when he was in College. The question would be, what passport did he use? His Indonesian passport?

http://forums.hannity.com/picture.php?albumid=2371&pictureid=27591

Err no. Not if it was fraudulently obtained, and not even if it was obtained legitimately but he wasn't born in Hawaii.

[poorblackman]

mccain still would have fought it just like he did during the campaign.......

McCain would have been forced to produce a Panamanian birth certificate. He was not born on the millitary base nor on US territory. John McCain has "Acquired Citizenship" which is different from "Natural Born" citizenship. He should not have been allowed to even run for president.

[Trip]

All it takes is one state, one, to pass such a law and us crazy BC "troofers" will finally get an answer. But we also need a state to pass a law requiring proof you are a "natural born citizen" to force the court to finally and definitively define the term. But going by recent history I think it more likely the federal courts would rule that states aren't entitled to make sure a candidate is eligible for office instead.

Two courts, two seperate courts, actually recognized the term; they don't need to "define" the term. The idea that we'd go more than 200 years without having a concrete idea of what the qualifications for the highest office of the land demand is silly.

[Alone In Liberalville]

"Posey’s bill is controversial because there are those on both sides of the political spectrum who oppose the idea that a candidate for President or Vice-President should have to submit a copy of his or her birth certificate for inspection. The reasoning behind this opposition remains unclear."


REALLY!!!???

I can't image why any candidate might not want to show this!! I say get it passed before 2012 - but with a democratic house and senate that follow their leader blindlessly, of course it won't.

[zantax]

McCain would have been forced to produce a Panamanian birth certificate. He was not born on the millitary base nor on US territory. John McCain has "Acquired Citizenship" which is different from "Natural Born" citizenship. He should not have been allowed to even run for president.


So much for the "no ineligible candidate could get on the ballot". And if that doesn't do it google Roger Calero, who was born in Nicaragua and a green card holder but was on the ballot in '04 and '08 as the Socialist Worker Party candidate.

[Trip]

You're right that there are benefits to being an American citizen. It's the natural-born part that doesn't add much to the proceedings...

There are only two real benefits to being a natural-born American citizen...one is the ability to run for president/VP (naturalized citizens CAN run for Congress, I believe they just can't be included in the succession) and the other is that a natural-born citizen can't be deported.

There simply isn't any good reason for Ann Dunham to have lied about where her son was born at the time. I'm pretty sure he wasn't being groomed for a presidential run from birth, and I don't know of any parent who plans for their children to do something stupid enough for them to get deported.

Actually natural born is what adds everythign to the proceedings... requirements.

Being born on US soil is only a portion of natural born. Our founders wanted the President to have no allegiance to any other country. Allegiance is also conveyed by birth rite, as a child will always be entitled tothe country of his parents. Natural born was required of President because the founders did not want to have a monarch, or one in the King's line, merely give birth on US soil and then have a right to be installed into the Presidency.

If native born (birth on US soil) were sufficient, then every illegal alien born here would be able to be President (and they're not, even as adjudged by the Gray Court).

Ann Dunham didn't have to lie, nor did her parents. Someone only had to provide an affidavit testifying as to place of birth, or that Dunham had residency in Hawaii for more than a year beforehand, and there was no challenge.

[poorblackman]

So much for the "no ineligible candidate could get on the ballot". And if that doesn't do it google Roger Calero, who was born in Nicaragua and a green card holder but was on the ballot in '04 and '08 as the Socialist Worker Party candidate.

I guess they didn't get the memo.

[jprin]

I wonder how many screaming for the proof they'll never accept, are the same who championed changing the requirements so that Ahnold could run for Prez?

[Trip]

I wonder how many screaming for the proof they'll never accept, are the same who championed changing the requirements so that Ahnold could run for Prez?

What proof should they accept? A proof of birth location is only sufficient for "citizenship" status, and not natural born citizen.

[zantax]

I wonder how many screaming for the proof they'll never accept, are the same who championed changing the requirements so that Ahnold could run for Prez?


How are they related? Changing the requirements, if done in the legally proscribed manner is perfectly legal, occupying the office without meeting the current legal requirements is not.

[jprin]

How are they related? Changing the requirements, if done in the legally proscribed manner is perfectly legal, occupying the office without meeting the current legal requirements is not.

Fair question. They're related in the sense that the BC Troofers, based on their passion against Obama are relentlessly trying to delegitimize his election by questioning his eligibility. When Arnold was a popular Republican Governor, there was much buzz about changing the constitution allowing him to run for Prez solely because he was a popular Republican. Both are based on the rules, sure, but some are perfectly willing to change our constitution in order to support one man while stubbornly refusing to believe another meets the rules. Other than that, I agree completely with what you wrote.

[zantax]

Fair question. They're related in the sense that the BC Troofers, based on their passion against Obama are relentlessly trying to delegitimize his election by questioning his eligibility. When Arnold was a popular Republican Governor, there was much buzz about changing the constitution allowing him to run for Prez solely because he was a popular Republican. Both are based on the rules, sure, but some are perfectly willing to change our constitution in order to support one man while stubbornly refusing to believe another meets the rules. Other than that, I agree completely with what you wrote.

For the record I never supported a change. But comparing the two is like comparing embezzlement and taking out a loan. Both parties wanted some money and in many cases even intended to pay it back, but one did it legally and the other didn't.

[zantax]

Fair question. They're related in the sense that the BC Troofers, based on their passion against Obama are relentlessly trying to delegitimize his election by questioning his eligibility. When Arnold was a popular Republican Governor, there was much buzz about changing the constitution allowing him to run for Prez solely because he was a popular Republican. Both are based on the rules, sure, but some are perfectly willing to change our constitution in order to support one man while stubbornly refusing to believe another meets the rules. Other than that, I agree completely with what you wrote.

And as for "relentlessly trying to delegitimize his election", I maintain neither he nor McCain, or Calero for that matter were eligible. That I also happen to vehemently disagree with his policies is mere coincidence. I realize I can't convince you of that but it happens to be true.

[Trip]

Fair question. They're related in the sense that the BC Troofers, based on their passion against Obama are relentlessly trying to delegitimize his election by questioning his eligibility. When Arnold was a popular Republican Governor, there was much buzz about changing the constitution allowing him to run for Prez solely because he was a popular Republican. Both are based on the rules, sure, but some are perfectly willing to change our constitution in order to support one man while stubbornly refusing to believe another meets the rules. Other than that, I agree completely with what you wrote.

If the current occupant is legitimate and qualified under the rules, as established by the Constitution under Article II, then he cannot be "delegitimized". The converse is that a popular vote cannot ever cleanse or legitimize an unqualified candidate.

It's generally accepted that Schwarzenegger does not meet the qualifications for office. Some know enough about our law and history to know that the current occupant does not meet those qualifications either.

Both are based on recognition of the rules. One wants those rules applied as recognized over 200 years, the other wants them changed.

[ksdb]

I wonder how many screaming for the proof they'll never accept, are the same who championed changing the requirements so that Ahnold could run for Prez?

Not too many is my guess.

[Greyghost]

I'm in Blackburn's disctrict. She is nothing more than a parrot for the far right and is of no real substance. Not really surprised by this.

Oh look someone calling another conservative woman a tool of the right and nothing more. The sexism of the left is absolutely pathetic. They are truly afraid of women with intelligent minds. :rolleyes:

[who]

Oh look someone calling another conservative woman a tool of the right and nothing more. The sexism of the left is absolutely pathetic. They are truly afraid of women with intelligent minds. :rolleyes:
How in the hell is that sexist?

[Greyghost]

How in the hell is that sexist?

Do you not see how the left treats conservative women? Every day there is another thread on Sarah Palin for starters. Any time a conservative woman does anything that opposes Obama she is run into the ground personally by the left. If you don't see how the left is sexist by now then nothing I say will make a difference.

[Trip]

Do you not see how the left treats conservative women? Every day there is another thread on Sarah Palin for starters. Any time a conservative woman does anything that opposes Obama she is run into the ground personally by the left. If you don't see how the left is sexist by now then nothing I say will make a difference.

Yeah, you see the same attitude when the CNN anchor (black) asked Steele how it felt to be "on the wrong side of history" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtga9zGv_w). It is very racist and presumes that blacks should be on the Democratic plantation or they aren't anything.

It's very offensive and dehumanizing.

[Maelstrom]

Why do we need a brith certificate bill? It should already be a requirement. Now people have questions about Obama becasue of his action against the US. American should not go half the time Obama is doing to our country.

http://www.redstate.com/britcom/2009/06/30/rep-marsha-blackburn-r-tn-is-first-woman-to-co-sponsor-controversial-birth-certificate-bill/


A popular Tennessee Congresswoman,Marsha Blackburn (R), has become the first woman and the first Tennessean to add her name to the list of co-sponsors for Representative Bill Posey’s (R-FL) proposed amendment (HR-1503 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503)).
The bill amends the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, and would require candidates for President of the United States to provide among other things, “…a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate…”.

You know, it should not be considered controversial.

Unless, someone didn't meet the qualifications and had the power to challenge such a bill.

[TexasGreatGranny]

You know, it should not be considered controversial.

Unless, someone didn't meet the qualifications and had the power to challenge such a bill.

You need it added to the law that states the requirements for running for president. Simply that a copy of a valid US birth certificate has to be presented with all the other garbage. Found the bellow and thought it was interesting.


I have little interest in getting into the middle of the Obama birth issue, but yesterday Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so and he believes the issue can be resolved by having Obama answer one simple question:

How could a young man arrive in New York in early June 1981 without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly, only one month later, find the money for an around-the-world trip?

And, once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he carrying when he passed through U. S. Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, as concerned citizens, they must have the answers.

The ongoing debate over Obama's citizenship can now become a very short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel with? A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U. S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport,
3) He traveled with an Indonesian passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled on a U. S. passport in 1981? A: No, it is not possible. Pakistan was on the U. S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion:

When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981, he was traveling on either a British or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling on a British passport, that would be proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, and not in Hawaii as he claims.

And, if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport, that would imply that he relinquished whichever citizenship he had held, British or American, prior to being adopted in 1967 by his Indonesian step-father .

Whatever the truth of this matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as indicated by his speech before Congress, and his disastrous spending plan that Congress has passed, the sooner we learn the truth, the better.

Fred L . Languell Lcdr, USN, Ret
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[timjy]

Just repeating the obvious.It would be easier to just release obamas certificate and show it to someone.

[Blemonds]

Why do we need a brith certificate bill? It should already be a requirement. Now people have questions about Obama becasue of his action against the US. American should not go half the time Obama is doing to our country.

http://www.redstate.com/britcom/2009/06/30/rep-marsha-blackburn-r-tn-is-first-woman-to-co-sponsor-controversial-birth-certificate-bill/


A popular Tennessee Congresswoman,Marsha Blackburn (R), has become the first woman and the first Tennessean to add her name to the list of co-sponsors for Representative Bill Posey’s (R-FL) proposed amendment (HR-1503 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1503)).
The bill amends the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, and would require candidates for President of the United States to provide among other things, “…a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate…”.
If there are Constitutional requirements to be President of the United States, why shouldn't proof of meeting those requirements be demanded of candidates?