transformers is anti god and pro evolution

[Gopher P]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

[fjccommish]

It's make believe.

[Fire Watch]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting
It isn't being FORCE fed to anyone. People go willingly to be entertained..and even pay for the privilege. It sounds like you're wanting to implement a Christian version of Sharia law in the US. How Biblical and Christlike is that?

[JStasc08]

I seriously doubt any people are basing their religious beliefs on a movie about robots from space. It's really nothing to worry about.

[CMike11]

Respectfully, lighten up.

[Why Theory?]

I seriously doubt any people are basing their religious beliefs on a movie about robots from space. It's really nothing to worry about.
Dude, robots from space are about as good as anything else to base a religion on.

[javsterg]

Elias (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0270470/): Since God created man, and man created the Transformers, the Transformers are like a gift from God, Randal!
clerks 2

[LouC]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

:think:

Did that Bible thingie say that God fellow "only" created life on earth or was it really that it said only "God" created life on earth?

[Dual867PowerMac]

It isn't being FORCE fed to anyone. People go willingly to be entertained..and even pay for the privilege. It sounds like you're wanting to implement a Christian version of Sharia law in the US. How Biblical and Christlike is that?
It's still heresy. Optimus Prime is an obvious allusion to L. Ron Hubbard.

[gdoane]

I seriously doubt any people are basing their religious beliefs on a movie about robots from space. It's really nothing to worry about.

Wasn't that basically what the "Heaven's Gate" suicides were about? Some spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp Comet would give them a ride if they'd put on new Nike's and drink some Koolaid or something like that?

We'd better alert the authorities to be on the lookout for a run on Sneakers and drink mixes at the Wal-Mart!

[PredFan]

It's still heresy. Optimus Prime is an obvious allusion to L. Ron Hubbard.

It's not THAT obvious, you are the only one that thinks that.

[captusa]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

Where in the bible does it indicate that your Deity did NOT create life on other planets in other galaxies ?
Being ominpotent and omnipresent HE could have populated several billion planets before and/or while he populated earth.
Genesis says HE created the Sun to light the day.
There are billions of suns in each of billions of galaxies.
They might light the day on billions of other planets.
Afterall our sun lights the day on 7 other planets and several moons light the night on Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus.

And with so many Chistians predicting the return of Jesus and Armeggedon to be soon how can the end of the world in 2012 be un-Christian ?

And as was pointed out, it is make believe.
It's a movie.
And it's a science-fiction movie.
Science-FICTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How was the movie pro-evolution ?

[biggles53]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

"Venting" AND kidding...right?

"god creat[ing] life on earth" is most certainly NOT a fact! It is in itself a "bias (sic) opinion" of those who choose to believe in the unsupported assertion that deities exist. Given that the moviemakers would make it clear that their's is a FICTION, they're actually being more honest and straightforward than those who share your beliefs.....

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Good grief...

[Clintville]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting
YOU CANNOT STOP US! WE HAVE YOUR CHILDREN!

Seriously, they are just movies. Also, remember, out in the world, there are going to be people that have differing opinions then you (not that what you said about the specific movies is true), and we live in a religiously free country, and our society is not going to lean towards your religion or beliefs (because I think most Christians don't think like you on this) pertaining to free speech.

[captusa]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. .........

Underlined and emphasis mine.

Were you equally appalled by Bambi that CLAIMED animals of different species talk to each other in English ?
Or Disney's Cinderella where IT WAS CLAIMED the heroine cohabitted with talking mice ?
When one goes to most movies it is expected that you suspend some beliefs in reality.
It is even required when you watch Leave it to Beaver or the Lucy Show.
I hope you got some satisfaction from your venting.
No harm and no foul but I suggest you lighten up.

[Vaard]

i have already been assured that it was a conservative movie......

[TCUFan]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

Heads up: It's just a movie.

TCUFan

[Alaric]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting


A long time ago in a galaxy far away...

There was a hokey religion that attracted a great following here on Earth in the latter 1970s when a move was made about its prophecies.

I'm sure you saw the movie, and probably didn't even give it a second thought.

[Alaric]

Were you equally appalled by Bambi that CLAIMED animals of different species talk to each other in English ?
Or Disney's Cinderella where IT WAS CLAIMED the heroine cohabitted with talking mice ?
When one goes to most movies it is expected that you suspend some beliefs in reality.


Why would one need to suspend belief in talking mice, skunks, and deer when one believes that a book that contains a talking donkey is inerrant and infallible?

[Wookinstien]

You are punking us right?

[Gabby]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

God gave us the gifts of imagination and humor. We are supposed to use these gifts.

I really do hope you are kidding.

[coolidge]

I watched the movie and loved every action packed minute of it. I didn't take it for anything more than just a sci-fi movie with great fighting scenes. I will gladly leave my religious views at the door and watch an entertaining sci-fi movie.

[czzzaar]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

They said the same crap about Star Wars. Pack of idiots.

[Finality]

The Transformers movies are the basis of my new anti-god, pro-evolution religion.

Well, maybe not Transformers 2. I heard that one sucked.

Maybe it'll be a combination of Transformers 1 and Star Trek, until Transformers 3 comes out--

____________________
Patrick Oden (http://www.patrickoden.com/)

[Kelzan]

God gave us the gifts of imagination and humor. We are supposed to use these gifts.

I really do hope you are kidding.

I could be wrong, but I sense he is pulling a Colbert.

[Hereintheusa]

The OP has to be a joke. Has to be!!!!!!!!

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

You are punking us right?

Judging from his other posts, I'd say no.

[CHUG]

Wasn't that basically what the "Heaven's Gate" suicides were about? Some spaceship behind the Hale-Bopp Comet would give them a ride if they'd put on new Nike's and drink some Koolaid or something like that?

We'd better alert the authorities to be on the lookout for a run on Sneakers and drink mixes at the Wal-Mart!

Heaven's Gate was an entire organisation qualifying for a Darwin Award.

[sgtmac_46]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting


Where in the bible did it say god only created life on earth?

[sgtmac_46]

i have already been assured that it was a conservative movie......

Is that what the martian told you?

[sgtmac_46]

I could be wrong, but I sense he is pulling a Colbert.

Actually that would be a Jonathan Swift........Colbert stole his schtick.

[mwevans1234]

A long time ago in a galaxy far away...

There was a hokey religion that attracted a great following here on Earth in the latter 1970s when a move was made about its prophecies.

I'm sure you saw the movie, and probably didn't even give it a second thought.

Zardoz?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9VQQ4yrmiKU/R2qQubdpduI/AAAAAAAAAAs/i8dVtxBMBOI/s320/zardoz6.jpg

[Buffalo]

Zardoz?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9VQQ4yrmiKU/R2qQubdpduI/AAAAAAAAAAs/i8dVtxBMBOI/s320/zardoz6.jpg
Gayest cowboy ever.

[MrCapitalism]

So is it conservative or anti-god? I have to know whether or not I want to see trucks turn into walking robots with machine guns and missiles based off a toy. I wouldn't want to support the atheist left like I did when I saw Return of the Jedi.

[Vaard]

Is that what the martian told you?

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1534711

[Thor]

And the award for "Most Ridiculous Thread of the Week" goes to.....

[brouski]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[sgtmac_46]

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1534711

Yeah, but you don't believe anything else those posting that say, why did you pick this topic to agree with them on? ;)

[Dancer]

I liked the movie (the first one was better imho). I loved that Obama was the president who personally sent the idiot government official to be in 'charge' of NEST and who shut it down and endangered the world. I loved that Obama went into hiding when things started looking bad.

If I were to say there was media bias in this movie, it was not favorable to those who are currently in the office of POTUS.

I saw nothing religious in this movie whatsoever. No mention of religion made in any way, shape, or form. I am fine with that.

[badkarma]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting
Whelp, there really isn't more than meets the eye here. You are a loon.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'.

Why would anyone be 'appalled' by the fantasy notion of robots (like those in the movie) coming to earth from space? BTW: We already have robots in space...their called satellites, Hubble telescope, and the Mars rover...and lets not forget the International Space Station itself....just to name a few. We even have several 'robots' right here on earth...computers, cell phones, almost anything with a micro chip. What is there to be appalled by? God gave to man the ability to think and problem solve. We create as we were created. Seems pretty kosher to me.

they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive.

Are you sure you watched the movie? In the Transformer movie, the 'robots' are most certainly 'alive'. All of them coming/generated/ created from a cube called the 'All Spark'. I suppose with some reaching you could make some leaps of logical thought and try to apply christian faith/standards to that particular point in the movie..but it would be a stretch. :confused:

this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth.

Think on the story of Moses...in the desert, talking to the burning bush. The question is asked by Moses...if God has/had created worlds before? God's (short) answer...There are worlds without number before you and after you that are only accountable only to me. Hmmmm...sounds like we aren't the 'only child' after all in the many universes....

im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

Two comments: If any one person is of a certain faith....there are several....and is easily offended by offerings of this world...then why do said faithful go out into the world and look for experiances that are of the world? Seems almost counter intuitive to me. Is it not said in the bible to be in the world but not of it?

Second, movies that have story lines that deal with the end of the world are far from new fodder for Hollywood. Heck, it's not even a fresh concept to write about or make a movie on. Seems every decade there is some new movie or book that delves into the possibility of the world ending. :rolleyes: The entire ending of the the Christian bible focuses solely on this point. So how offensive is it really when the very religion you claim (Christianity) uses the same idea in it's doctrine?

Me thinks you dost protest too much....

~Mysty

[ThrowCop]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just ventingAre you a retread of ee cummings?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

are you a retread of ee cummings?
:)) :)) :))

(note...for YEARS I though cummings was the person who wrote "Winnie the Pooh")

[Dr. Funkenstein]

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1534711&highlight=transformers

Oy the irony.

[Greyclouds]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

1. Not every movie should be themed around Romano-Christian ideals in a multicultural society such as ours.

2. The concept of "extra-terrestrials" is not contrary to the Bible.

3. If you wish to shield American Youth from these "unChristian" ideas, you might want to move to a different country or make a new one. Freedom of expression is an individual right in the United States.

[supreme_war_Pig]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

So, you think every movie should have the same storyline? Sounds a bit boring, eh?

[mrclean]

Anti-God and pro-evolution?

Sounds like my kind of movie!

[birddog1]

God gave us the gifts of imagination and humor. We are supposed to use these gifts.

I really do hope you are kidding.

Apparently God gave out socks and underwear to some people instead of imagination and humor.

[birddog1]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

Let me find my heretic beating stick and we will put a stop to this right away. Has anyone seen my torch lately?

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Apparently God gave out socks and underwear to some people instead of imagination and humor.


Let me find my heretic beating stick and we will put a stop to this right away. Has anyone seen my torch lately?

:)):)):)) Are you trying to ruin my new flat screen monitor? Almost blew coffee all over it reading these two posts! ROLFLMAO!!!!

Funny....very funny....heheheeh

~Mysty

[Fitz]

So many semi-serious replies to a ridiculously obvious troll thread, Poe's law in action

[Rorus Raz]

Transformers is anti-good movie.

[SaintVegas]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

It's a movie. Fiction. If you don't want to see it, then don't see it. If you don't want your children seeing it, don't let them.

I believe that the majority of people will quite safely see that there is a difference between fiction and reality.

Let me guess, you don't like Harry Potter either because it "endocrinates" american youth that there is magic?

[captusa]

Why would one need to suspend belief in talking mice, skunks, and deer when one believes that a book that contains a talking donkey is inerrant and infallible?
Good point.

[captusa]

The OP has to be a joke. Has to be!!!!!!!!

Poe's Law:
Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

[notluzn]

Robots like the Transformers are more believable than Talking Snakes, Flooded Earth, 6000 year old earth and Rapture.

[captusa]

Actually that would be a Jonathan Swift........Colbert stole his schtick.

When Gulliver's Travels was published someone did right to the publisher to expose the hoax pointing out that there was no record of Gulliver's ship leaving any English port at the time.

Some complained vigorously over his "Modest Proposal" while others thought it made sense.

[Dual867PowerMac]

It's not THAT obvious, you are the only one that thinks that.
:doh:

I guess my attempt at humor was pretty bad, huh? I promise I'll try to do a better job next time. :angel:

[captusa]

So many semi-serious replies to a ridiculously obvious troll thread, Poe's law in action

Apology.
I hadn't noticed you had already cited Poe's Law.

[Kelzan]

Anti-God and pro-evolution?

Sounds like my kind of movie!

Mine too. And if it is conservative too like I've heard then it's really my kind of movie.

[Dual867PowerMac]

...Talking Snakes...
Our priest made a good point during the RCIA course last year on this: it actually wasn't the snake talking. It was the voice of Satan speaking through the snake.

Don't laugh. It makes sense. Satan is not all-knowing nor is he more powerful than God.




...Flooded Earth...
It was most likely a localized flood, but from their point of view, it probably looked like the entire planet.




...6000 year old earth...
This is clearly a misinterpretation. A "day" in the purview of Genesis undoubtedly did not literally mean a twenty-four hour period.




...and Rapture.
Link 1 (http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp)
Link 2 (http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article111.htm)

[Kelzan]

Judging from his other posts, I'd say no.

Unless all of his posts are gags. He does seem to be doing a cartoonish caricature of Conservatives in his posts kind of like Steven Colbert, or the cartoonish caricature Olbermann does of Liberals on his comedy show.

[CMike11]

Our priest made a good point during the RCIA course last year on this: it actually wasn't the snake talking. It was the voice of Satan speaking through the snake.

That's not what the bible says.


Don't laugh. It makes sense. Satan is not all-knowing nor is he more powerful than God.

Actually Satan is a servant of G-D.

[shaveking]

This IS a joke/satire post right?

... right?

[notluzn]

We put those people hear things and see thing in Institutions with padded walls. Or we put them in jail for being crazy.

True on the flooding.

Rapture is just a fun story or wishful thinking.Our priest made a good point during the RCIA course last year on this: it actually wasn't the snake talking. It was the voice of Satan speaking through the snake.

Don't laugh. It makes sense. Satan is not all-knowing nor is he more powerful than God.





It was most likely a localized flood, but from their point of view, it probably looked like the entire planet.





This is clearly a misinterpretation. A "day" in the purview of Genesis undoubtedly did not literally mean a twenty-four hour period.





Link 1 (http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp)
Link 2 (http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article111.htm)

[CID_0687]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting
You're silly.

It's a fictional movie...before that in was a fictional cartoon series that I remember watching 20 years ago.

I'm a Christian, and I can tell you, and others that think the way you do, have no idea what you are talking about.

Lighten up Francis.

[FreeAndClear]

Actually that would be a Jonathan Swift........Colbert stole his schtick.


Poor little Irish Babies. He was gonna eat them he was...

[captusa]

Poor little Irish Babies. He was gonna eat them he was...

Swift suggested the Irish solve their famine problem by eating their babies.
He NEVER suggested that he, an Englishman, would take an Irish baby from the mouth of a starving Irishman.

[Lone Star]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

I believe in evolution, does that make me "anti god"? This movie was not a "anti god" flim at all.

[TheBurningRed]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

Seriously, you gotta be kidding! I'm sorry but if you are being offended by a SCI-FI movie with giant robots that turn into jets, cars, or what have you. Then you gotta be close to being slightly crazy.
Also why do you think if someone completely makes a movie that goes against your religious beliefs (or think it does), then you paint them as a "liberals"? Heck do you know if the director or producers religious or political beliefs? I don't and frankly I don't care what they are.
I pay money to get entertained at the movies for possible suspension of disbelief and to get away from the ho-humness of everyday BS. Then again just don't go see UP, heck you would find or pull the most whacked out stuff from that.

[birddog1]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[ISYairio]

If Unicron and Primus get introduced in future Transformers movies, does this mean it becomes creationist/intelligent design?

lol

[notluzn]

If Unicron and Primus get introduced in future Transformers movies, does this mean it becomes creationist/intelligent design?

lol

Actually, that is the plan for the next movie. Unicron is coming.

[ISYairio]

Actually, that is the plan for the next movie. Unicron is coming.

Yeah.

Great... this one was quite strong on the graphics and fighting... how much higher are they going to take it, depending on how big they make him?!

lol

[Plasmaball]

It isn't being FORCE fed to anyone. People go willingly to be entertained..and even pay for the privilege. It sounds like you're wanting to implement a Christian version of Sharia law in the US. How Biblical and Christlike is that?

**** i agree with FW.
I feel all dirty.

[Plasmaball]

I liked the movie (the first one was better imho). I loved that Obama was the president who personally sent the idiot government official to be in 'charge' of NEST and who shut it down and endangered the world. I loved that Obama went into hiding when things started looking bad.

If I were to say there was media bias in this movie, it was not favorable to those who are currently in the office of POTUS.

I saw nothing religious in this movie whatsoever. No mention of religion made in any way, shape, or form. I am fine with that.

You need to think of when they are back at Nest. After going to china to deal with somethings( wont spoil). They are doing a debriefing when the government liaison comes in and takes about what is going on( or for plot device, and catching the audience up on events from the past two years.)
Anyways Prime transforms and Epps(tyrese) i think says to the ogv. Liaison:

You have to wonder, If god made us in his image, Then who made them?

Which the answer is simple, Primus.

[Plasmaball]

Yeah.

Great... this one was quite strong on the graphics and fighting... how much higher are they going to take it, depending on how big they make him?!

lol

i have no idea how they are going to pull it off.
Planet sized Tf that can only be killed y the power of the matrix......But in tf2 wait......Uh...

They should have used the Key to vecta sigma for this movie. Would have made more sense i think.

[BillyBobUSA]

Good grief...


I agree.


This has to be the silliest thread I have seen in months.

[Megeara]

You need to think of when they are back at Nest. After going to china to deal with somethings( wont spoil). They are doing a debriefing when the government liaison comes in and takes about what is going on( or for plot device, and catching the audience up on events from the past two years.)
Anyways Prime transforms and Epps(tyrese) i think says to the ogv. Liaison:

You have to wonder, If god made us in his image, Then who made them?

Which the answer is simple, Primus.


I think ^that^ bolded quote is the only thing relatively close to religion in the movie. Its ridiculous that we take a Sci-Fi movie, try to relate it to religion, then are appalled when it doesnt fit in the parameters. Just plain silly.

Other than wanting to staple a map to Michael Bay's forehead, and being grossly upset with the abruptness of the ending, the movie was okay. IMHO I think Bay could have been a little less lazy and made this movie ten times better than he did.

[uncledoom]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

The main reason I think the OP is kidding is heshe spelled God lower case (god). Isn't that a no-no?

Also, you just answered your own question. God did create life on earth...but since robots come from outer space, obviously someone or something else created them...duh.

[neoINDIE]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

Seems to me that if you were firm in your beliefs, this kind of thing wouldn't bother you.

just sayin...

[DRS]

Just a word of advice to the OP avoid ice age

[Foxtrot]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

the idea that robots came from space isn't at all related to evolution - the theory of how life on EARTH began, nothing to do with outer space - and you can believe in both God and evolution.

but I can see why you might think that; O'Reilly was talking a couple of weeks ago about how Meagan Fox (the main chick) made some fanatical liberal comments against "bible-thumpers" and so called "gay bashers" in middle America, and how such a comment made against any other group of people would be unacceptable. even if she's hot, that's not cool.

[Gopher P]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

[Quid]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..


Why should MY entertainment follow the morals and myths of YOUR Bible?

And as much as you don't want to admit it, the Bible is NOT an authoritative source of history, science, or even a decent moral framework.

I would imagine that you are only one who is bothered by these "problems" you see in a FICTIONAL movie.

[Marleysdaddy]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible.
Sometimes those basic principles don't fit with what we observe in the real universe.
i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed?? I believe there have been numerous movies based on the Bible that claimed a young earth, or the existence of Adam and Eve, and I can't remember any outrage.
for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.
The difference is that EXPELLED was supposed to be non-fiction, Transformers is fiction.

P.S. Expelled got a lot of flak because it was basically a documentary on how to commit various informal fallacies.

[coolidge]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..
I am understanding your premise. I don't think comparing Expelled with a science fiction movie is quite accurate. Let's compare Ben Stein's documentary with the melodrama of Michael Moore's works of emotional insecurity. That would be more suited for debate.

[jungulator]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

Ummm dude, it's FICTION. I really doubt anyone really believes that giant robots from space are going to come down to earth and shatter your perception of the universe. If so, you should seriously consider purchasing a new hat of the tin foil kind.

[uncledoom]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

Question: How can science fiction be contradicted?

[neoINDIE]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

God forbid anyone should have different beliefs than you.

[snagswolf]

what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth.
Um, use the force of government to shut people up?




But I'm sure that's already occurred to you.

[captusa]

Originally Posted by Gopher P
what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth.
Repealing the 1st Amendment would be a start.

[captusa]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

People protested EXPELLED by not paying money to see it.
People did pay money to see The Bible, The Ten Commandments, The Passion of the Christ and many other movies that might have agreed with your religious beliefs.
AND anyone in this country can criticize any movie they wish.
You criticized Transformers because you believed it contradicted your religious beliefs.
People criticized expelled because was a dishonest representation of facts.
Everyone is free to view either movie if the wish to pay the price.
Where is the double standard ?

[Gopher P]

Um, use the force of government to shut people up?

But I'm sure that's already occurred to you.

Repealing the 1st Amendment would be a start.

the government should silence people who promote evil and unmoral values that is common sense. the first amendment applies to protecting patriots and true americans..nothing else

i dont like the idea that when ben stein made a movie about the lies of evolution he was attacked. but when a movie comes out that talks about aliens coming from space..that is accepable. total double standard

[snagswolf]

the government should silence people who promote evil and unmoral values that is common sense. the first amendment applies to protecting patriots and true americans..nothing else
See, now you've pushed it too hard and revealed yourself as an obvious troll.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of 'subtle'.

[-American-]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

So where in the Bible does it say all life is only on Earth and is static and unchanging? Also why did you spell God with a lower case g? For someone who is trying to portray themselves as reeeeeally religious it's rather strange you'd spell God with a lower case g. Sniff...sniff....I smell a troll.

[Dancer]

You need to think of when they are back at Nest. After going to china to deal with somethings( wont spoil). They are doing a debriefing when the government liaison comes in and takes about what is going on( or for plot device, and catching the audience up on events from the past two years.)
Anyways Prime transforms and Epps(tyrese) i think says to the ogv. Liaison:

You have to wonder, If god made us in his image, Then who made them?

Which the answer is simple, Primus.Lol, You're right. I totally blew right past that. My thought was that God made us in his image spiritually, not physically (how can a God with no physical form make us in his physical image?).

That being the case, the same God could have made them in his (spiritual) image as well.

ROFL, should we move this to the RF? ;) :razz:

[Groundhog]

See, now you've pushed it too hard and revealed yourself as an obvious troll.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of 'subtle'.



:)):))

His Troll-Fu needs more practice.

[Wookinstien]

the government should silence people who promote evil and unmoral values that is common sense. the first amendment applies to protecting patriots and true americans..nothing else

i dont like the idea that when ben stein made a movie about the lies of evolution he was attacked. but when a movie comes out that talks about aliens coming from space..that is accepable. total double standard

A swing and a miss....

[Wookinstien]

Everyone here knows that all of this evolved from children's toys and should not be taken seriously....


Really all this from a toy robot and a cartoon designed to sell the toy robot.


:think:

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

Everyone here knows that all of this evolved from children's toys and should not be taken seriously....


Really all this from a toy robot and a cartoon designed to sell the toy robot.


:think:

sometimes objects can become the inspiration and source material for stories, folklore, mythology...

[Marleysdaddy]

the government should silence people who promote evil and unmoral values that is common sense. the first amendment applies to protecting patriots and true americans..nothing else


I'm certainly glad that you won't ever be a Supreme Court Justice.

That being said, this thread seems like a perfect example of Poe's Law. (http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law)

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

[Marleysdaddy]

For someone who is trying to portray themselves as reeeeeally religious it's rather strange you'd spell God with a lower case g.

Why? It's not like that is it's first name...

[uncledoom]

the government should silence people who promote evil and unmoral values that is common sense. the first amendment applies to protecting patriots and true americans..nothing else

i dont like the idea that when ben stein made a movie about the lies of evolution he was attacked. but when a movie comes out that talks about aliens coming from space..that is accepable. total double standard

:wall::wall:

[Mohawk5]

It's a comic/cartoon/movie that is FICTION!!!!

Are you really going there? BTW why isn't this in the Religion area?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

It's a comic/cartoon/movie that is FICTION!!!!

Are you really going there? BTW why isn't this in the Religion area?
Because I can't talk about the Decepticons respectfully...:(

[CHUG]

Reading his posts on this and other threads methinks that Gopher P is taking the P.

[captusa]

the government should silence people who promote evil and unmoral values that is common sense. the first amendment applies to protecting patriots and true americans..nothing else
And the government has the final decision on what is evil and unmoral.
The framers of the Constitution should have been more specific. They could have said what they meant.Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion except Christianity, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech of true patriots , or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble iff they are true patriots and Christians, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances iff they are true patriots and Christians.
.
Too bad they were not smart enough to get it right






i dont like the idea that when ben stein made a movie about the lies of evolution he was attacked. but when a movie comes out that talks about aliens coming from space..that is accepable. total double standard

Ben Stein's movie implied that what he was presenting was the truth.
It was a documentary.

If a movie comes out that talks about aliens coming from space implied it was a true documentary there might have been some criticism.

Would you have been satisfied if the movie had a disclaimer that it was science fiction ?
Did you think The Lion King was a filmed nature documentary ?



It is amusing to continue to assume you are serious.

[Wookinstien]

sometimes objects can become the inspiration and source material for stories, folklore, mythology...

and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... ;)

[Plasmaball]

im sorry if my first post was a bit confusing..my objection is that the basic story of transformers contradicts religious belief that all life is on earth, static and unchanging. these are basic principles we learn in the Bible. i dont like how these people in the film industry keep producing filth like this. imagine for a moment the outrage if a movie was made that said the earth is 5000 years old or that Adam and Eve really existed??

for example..how much flak did EXPELLED by Ben Stein get?? but yea..lets make a movie with alien robots from outter space and no one has a problem with it.

there IS a double standard..

This makes my head hurt on so many levels.

[gdoane]

Everyone here knows that all of this evolved from children's toys and should not be taken seriously....


Really all this from a toy robot and a cartoon designed to sell the toy robot.


:think:

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the whole robots are evolution idea. If machines are getting smarter, I'm not seeing it. The only reason VCR's stopped blinking "12:00" all day long was because they took the clock displays off of them because nobody ever set the things anyway.

Machines are getting dumber, not evolving.

[Blindeye101]

I seriously doubt any people are basing their religious beliefs on a movie about robots from space. It's really nothing to worry about.

Now you tell me.
I just finished my Shrine to Starscream.:((

I was about to sacrifice my Windows 95 CD.

[Wookinstien]

Now you tell me.
I just finished my Shrine to Starscream.:((

I was about to sacrifice my Windows 95 CD.

Oh GREAT! THANKS! for the spoiler. Now the movie is ruined!!!



wait




What's a Starscream?

Is that like rocky Road?

[blackcatrun]

anyone see the new transformers movies? i was taken to one by a friend and was appallaed that the story claims the robots 'come from space'. they are basically aliens..even though they are not alive. this is a total contradiction to the biblical fact that god only created life on earth. im tired of liberal filmmakers injecting their bias opinion into the threater..now 2012 is coming out in a few months and it is based on the pagan calaender that the earth is dead at 2012. what can we do to put a stop to this kind of unchristian beliefs being fed to american younth..sorry i am just venting

I havent seen the movie but it looks like it rocks. Cant just enjoy a movie to enjoy the movie?

Really? Only on earth? An entire universe to build on and only one planet has life?

Surely you jest? A devine creator such as God making only one planet with life is very narrow and some what self centered on your part.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

My second revised and updated fan-fiction :mrgreen:

=======================

Transformers: In the Beginning…..
(Fan-Fiction)

In the beginning, Quintesson was the god responsible for the creation of Cybertron and for creating life on Cybertron. On Cybertron, Quintesson was considered the creator of everything, a genuine Cybertronian god. Quintesson, according to Cybertronian legend and folklore, was the first and original Cybertronian, a being which was claimed to be the size of the entire Universe, and was made up of the best metal and mineral materials the Cosmos had to offer, including the purest of the pure gold and the purest of the pure diamonds. The best technologies of the Cosmos, flowed through him and in him; he was the most perfect superior being, a living god. Everything with Quintesson was possible and with him, everything became possible. Quintesson, the Cybertronian god, was omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent as Cybertronian historical and spiritual records claimed.

Quintesson created the Cybertronians. When he created the Cybertronians, they were merely fundamentally quantum mechanical and physical beings, their exoskeletons having skins of heavily strong yet flexible organic metal. They were silicon-based lifeforms rather than carbon-based. Possessing nanotechnological and zeptotechnological constructs, these Cybertronians were capable of massive amounts of quantum computing. They were created with extraordinary strength and power. However, they had no will of their own. They possessed a rudimentary level of intelligence that enabled them to follow commands and instructions, yet they had no will of their own and no awareness of themselves. These early Cybertronians needed the instructions and commands of Quintesson in order for them to be able to perform anything. The Cybertronians that Quintesson created, thus, were merely functional, with no thought of their own and no power to make decisions for themselves. The Cybertronians were bred and born out of Quintesson’s power and might, but they followed whatever whim Quintesson had and these Cybertronians obeyed all of Quintesson's commands and instructions. One day, Quintesson decided to give them free will and for them to adapt to and learn from their environment. With this, Quintesson summoned the Cube – the Allspark – a remnant from when the Cosmos was born and, like Quintesson himself, was itself the beginning and the end, spanning from eternity to eternity.

Within the Allspark contained life-giving energy that made it possible to bestow free-will upon Cybertronians and for them to be able to make their own decisions and choose their own destiny. With the energy of the Allspark, the Cybertronians were no longer mere slaves to the Quintesson. As with anything at the beginning, the first Cybertronians who had been given a spark were a jumble of chaos and disorder. However, Quintesson guided them and nurtured them, provided Energon for them – which was one of the main sources of sustenance for the Cybertronians composed mainly of materials that convert into hydraulics and nuclear fusion within them and which enabled them to grow, stay healthy and functional through millennia. Quintesson taught them the ways of technology and civilization. When Quintesson saw the grandeur of what he had done, he kept and hid the Allspark at a location where only he knew of its location and existence on Cybertron. Quintesson, realizing the often fragile nature of life, decided to keep the Allspark on Cybertron, once as an act of Quintesson’s faith in his creation that, ultimately, although they had been given free will, they would choose their fate in accordance with the natural cosmic laws of freedom, life, liberty, happiness, justice, goodness and truth; the other, as a covenant and testament to his creation, a proof of Quintesson’s ever-enduring legacy and power, and the truth of his existence.

After some time, the first fully intelligent and sentient Cybertronians finally emerged. After some millions of years of evolution and a period of peace, progress and technological advancements unlike what was seen in the known universe, Quintesson thought that it was time. Quintesson decided it was best that he left to allow the Cybertronians to choose their own destiny through their free will and to allow them to fluorish on their own.

At first, although the Cybertronians as sentient beings were special in their own unique way, they were simply sentient machines, exoskeletal metallic protoforms that were not capable of anything special. They continued to learn and adapt, but their earlier social interactions were uniform and awkward. Cybertronian archaeological records indicate that early Cybertronians led stoic, if not unremarkable existences. Their ability of feeling a whole range of emotions and senses eventually developed in response to evolution as the Cybertronians tried to survive a harsh environment where they knew they had to stand and look out for one another if they were to survive and preserve themselves as a species. As time passed on and as they continued to evolve and learn, the Cybertronians developed language, writing, culture and other knowledge, technology, and skills that the Quintesson had intended for them to learn with their newfound freedom that would lead the way for them to advance their civilization into newer and better heights. They were bred and born and the spark of one Cybertronian were passed on from one to another, thus the Cybertronians continued their lineage and ancestry and all their records of knowledge, technology, culture, and civilization were kept and stored. However, Cybertron had seen its share of threats from both within and without. Cybertron at the beginning was a violent planet, filled with so much danger and hazard for the fledgling species. Aside from the periods of mass extinctions as a result of planetary changes, Cybertron was in the part of the universe where other equal and/or superior technological planetary civilizations took interest in it.

Not only did Cybertronians then got preoccupied with dealing with the innate natural problems of their planet from cataclysmic volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, and other geological, weather and climate disturbances, and other such natural disasters, but from time to time they also had to deal with extraterrestrial invasions which at times threatened their very existence.

However, because of the resilience and strength of the Cybertronians as a species and as a race, and the persistence of their will to survive, they continued to advance, adapt and evolve. Cybertron and Cybertronians endured and overcame. After millions of more years, their evolution took them to a path where the Cybertronians were finally able to shift and change their shapes and blend in with their environment at will as a defense mechanism to protect themselves from other hostile entities and environments. The Cybertronians enhanced this gift of evolution through their ingenuity and technology and soon thereafter were able to perform technological feats far advanced than those who wanted to enslave them. From their superior technological advancements in teleportation, weaponry, advanced quantum computing, quantum genetic computing and engineering, advanced quantum metallurgy, and other such technologies, the Cybertronians began to incorporate these technologies into themselves and they began to possess special and unique abilities much superior to any other civilization in the known universe. As their evolution and technology took them into this path, after yet again millions of years, the perfection of their evolution and technology continued to evolve and develop throughout the years.

As a civilization, they have developed and grown to the point that they effectively and efficiently dealt with all threats to their existence and repelled those who would do them harm and damage. Eventually, over a period of time, those threats died down because of the ingenuity, evolutionary and technological superiority, and the sheer strength of the Cybertronian race. They had fought and defeated their invaders, and they had proven that with unique Cybertronian ingenuity and technology, they could manipulate and control themselves, their environment and their planet at will. Although their species came the closest to becoming the perfect sentient beings in the Cosmos, who were able to live virtually for thousands, if not millions of years, if not for eternity, the Cybertronians still had their limitations and were aware of them. As with any other life form, they too deteriorated, aged, felt pain, got hurt, got wounded, and sometimes they too encountered the end of their lives. The one common denominator in all of this to retain their vibrancy and their functionality was the consumption of Energon, a vital source of sustenance for Cybertronians to maintain their health, wellness and functionality.

During that period of upheaval and immediately thereafter, however, seeing as they thought they had become masters of their destiny and had become quite proud of their accomplishments as a species, race, and civilization, the Cybertronians then started to create something that would best represent Cybertron in the absence of the Quintesson. Their reasoning was that they needed a genuine representation and manifestation of Cybertron’s uniqueness, heritage, superiority and power, all while at the same time giving life to something that could always protect and defend Cybertron and its inhabitants from all threats to it. As is the nature of higher-form, intelligent, and self-aware beings, they had yearned for something far larger than themselves in the physical absence of a god; something that they could believe in in whose superiority and primacy their species and race could be manifested in.

To be continued.....

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

Continued.....

The Cybertronians then created Unicron, and with the power of the Allspark emanating from identified areas on Cybertron, life was bestowed upon Unicron. Unicron, who, through the wonders of Cybertronian genetic engineering and manipulation grew to be as large as Cybertron itself, served as a god in the absence of the Quintesson. As technology continued to evolve and advance and as Cybertronian civilization continued to progress, and as the demands for Energon continued to ever increase because of wonder after wonder they have created and other such feats, and the massive needs of their homeworld, some factions of Cybertron decided that in order for their race to survive and advance further, they must aggressively set out to the stars and search for and locate places teeming with Energon, and to fight for these sources of Energon, even if it meant they had to eliminate all life from these planetary systems that may or may not be capable of opposing them. To this group, only the harvesting of Energon was important; everything else was secondary. Energon was a resources that could virtually be found in every part of the Cosmos, from one corner of the Universe to another. It was merely a matter of travelling to these locations that oftentimes could be separated by many light-years.

Others, however, did not agree with this position. Although they agreed to search for sources of Energon wherever they may be found, they denounced slavery, violence and subjugation of other species and planetary systems to attain this goal. This group sought peace, harmony, mutual respect, and cooperation with other worlds in order to obtain Energon, instead of bringing war, death, destruction, violence, misery, and suffering. They vowed to harvest Energon in systems where life was absent and to leave those places where life, no matter how basic they were, may already exist. Thus, two groups, two parties had been born out of this moral and power struggle: those whose goal was the aggressive expansion of the species into the far reaches of the Cosmos and obtaining the desired resources through brute strength and force, and those whose goal was the respect for life, happiness, freedom, and liberty throughout the Cosmos – as was the ideal and the way of the Quintesson – in the quest to gain and obtain these resources. Some claimed that it was Unicron who ultimately influenced the more aggressive and warlike stance of the Cybertronians with regards to survival and self-preservation, and the ultimate superiority of Cybertronians above all other lifeforms. Others, however, were influenced by the teachings of a simple, yet wise Cybertronian whose knowledge was far advanced his years. His name was Vector Sigma, and he was the one who taught the values and principles of tolerance, freedom, liberty, humility, and respect. Vector Sigma claimed that the Quintesson and all the other ancient prophets and wise beings of Cybertron spoke through him and in him.

With the quest to locate and harvest Energon, thus, the Cybertronian Seekers, both whose intentions were good and malicious, were sent out to the far reaches of space. Some of these Seekers sought out Energon in systems they knew were devoid of life and which they, therefore, deemed safe for harvesting; and forged cooperation with any advanced civilization they encountered with harvesting and obtaining Energon. The other groups of Seekers, however, went after other planetary systems and pillaged their resources, eliminating and exterminating those who got in their way. As punishment, the first ones these groups of Seekers went after were systems who earlier in the history of Cybertron attempted to unsuccessfully conquer and enslave Cybertron. To them, it was a sweet revenge that they meted out to all these planetary civilizations who once attempted to conquer and subjugate them. The hunters eventually became the prey, the subjugators became the subjugated. With the sheer power of the Cybertronian forces, these systems ultimately became enslaved and, at worst, they were completely exterminated. Some were completely destroyed.

Word finally got out of thousands of planetary systems who fell under the punishing might at the hands of some Cybertronians who believed in the superiority and mastery of their race and civilization in their mission to search and obtain Energon. Out of this moral and power struggle eventually came infighting. Out of this infighting came full-scale conflict and finally, after millions of years of relative internal peace and harmony, advancements, progress, and productivity, the first full-scale war came to Cybertron where brother fought against brother, sister against sister, parents against offsprings. After the deaths and destruction on Cybertron, Unicron and Vector Sigma in principle negotiated an end to the war which had lasted for millions of years and which had ravaged Cybertron. Accounts suggested that Vector Sigma – being the figurehead and symbol of tolerance, respect, freedom, and justice whom many other Cybertronians believed in, followed, and considered as their leader – witnessing the destruction and deaths the war had brought to his beloved planet, looked for an end to the conflict that engulfed Cybertron by offering to sacrifice himself in exchange for an immediate end to the war. In exchange, Vector Sigma’s only wish was for Unicron to exile himself far, far away from Cybertron - to the farthest reaches of space. The two Cybertronians agreed, their agreement finally sealed. Thus Vector Sigma was sacrificed to end the First Cybertronian War. Vector Sigma had then been cremated immediately thereafter, as was the custom of Cybertronians whose loved ones had passed on. Vector Sigma’s body had been carried by fellow Cybertronians who had become his loyal followers – the noble Primes, sons of Primus.

Vector Sigma’s body was then finally gently placed on the cremation platform by the Primes with their father. Vector Sigma’s lifeless body lay under the incinerating flames of Cybertron as the Primes and their father watched with sadness. The Primes grieved and mourned. After awhile, Primus and his sons went home and left the cremation chamber. On the third day, Primus and some of his sons went back to the cremation chamber where Vector Sigma was cremated. Vector Sigma’s body was not there any longer. However, to their astonishment, they saw one object on the cremating platform where Vector Sigma’s body used to lie that was untouched by the fire. They were not quite sure what it was, as all of the bodies of the Cybertronians who went through the same process eventually vanished, leaving only dust and sand in their wake. Primus took a closer look at the object, touched it, and finally held it in his hands. He then felt a surge of power and energy run through him. Primus’s body further got energized and powered up as he held the object, however it did not adversely affect him. Primus at once saw a vision as he stood looking up. In his vision, he saw Vector Sigma. Vector Sigma spoke to him:

“Use this Matrix for good, compassion, and justice Primus, noble father of the Primes. Only then would the holder and keeper of this Matrix, which possesses powers and energies unbeknownst to any other Cybertronian and whose holder and keeper will be able to unlock powers and energies on the living and the non-living, be able to earn the right to hold, keep, and possess this Matrix which I leave you as a token of my love for those who had served with me, those who had followed me, those who had defended me, and also as a token of my deep love for my native planet. Go in peace. May the spark of the Quintesson be with you and may you be blessed for all the days of your lives…”

To be continued.....

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At that moment, the sons of Primus who were with him at that moment helped him regain his thoughts and awareness back. As soon as his thoughts and awareness returned, Primus then told his sons of the vision and all at once gave respect and praise to their leader, master, and friend who had since passed on.

Unicron, meanwhile, kept his part of the bargain and exiled himself to some far off location in depths of space, never to be seen or heard from again since that moment. However, before he left, he had already sowed his influence and teachings on one of the Primes which ensured that his legacy continued and lived on on Cybertron, even in his exile. This Prime was going to be known as The Fallen Prime, or simply, The Fallen.

About a million years have yet passed again, and after a period of relative peace, progress, prosperity and advancements, Cybertron was engulfed in turmoil once again as some Cybertronians had set to find the Allspark. Led by Commander Megatron, one of the rulers of Cybertron and some others in this circle, and influenced and taught by The Fallen as to the superiority of the Cybertronian race and the Cybertronian destiny of conquering and dominating the Cosmos, the group which had for many years become popularly known on Cybertron as the Decepticons, searched for the Allspark on Cybertron and finally sucessfully located it. With the Allspark in his hands, Megatron would be able to create, raise, and amass an army never before seen in the history of the universe. With the Allspark, Megatron’s, and other Cybertronians who shared his beliefs, dreams of cosmic conquest would be realized and Cybertronians would then emerge as the most superior species in the known universe, and eventually, the entire Cosmos.

However, the opposition, known in Cybertron as the Autobots, led by a direct descendant of the Primes, Commander Optimus Prime, also one of the Cybertronian rulers, tried to stop Megatron. After Megatron and the Decepticons managed to locate the Allspark, war again engulfed the planet. The Decepticons, despite first locating the Allspark initially, failed to have it in their absolute control because they could not manage to get into the ultimate chamber where it was hidden. Ultimately, the Autobots, through their manifest connections with the Quintesson and their will to fight for good and justice, managed to outsmart the Decepticons and finally were able to get into the chamber and lay their hands first on the Allspark. The Autobots, fearing that the Allspark would fall on Decepticon hands as they closed in on them, moved the Allspark and launched it into space with the intent of searching for it and locating it later on. Upon learning this, Megatron followed the trajectory of the Allspark and followed it to the far reaches of space...