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agent_86
June 30th, 2009, 12:20 pm
Not Obama, but Shreveport Mayor Cedric Glover:

Recorded phone call between victim and Mayor.
http://www.conservativedrink.com/media/GloverInterview-060809-Video.asp

Interview with victim:
http://cdn1.libsyn.com/guntalk/090614guntalkA.mp3?nvb=20090630144234&nva=20090701145234&t=05b4cfebe48f58dadbc44

The victim states what happened that day:

Here in Shreveport, LA, a little more than a week ago, to be exact, it was Friday, June 5th, about 9:45 in the evening. I was driving my pick-up from the Downtown Airport to my home. My wife had called and asked me to pick up an order she had called in to a local restaurant. I was about a block and a half from the restaurant when I noticed flashing lights behind me. I can honestly say that I didn’t have a clue as to why I was being stopped, but I instantly pulled over.

Right after I stopped, I got out of my truck and walked toward the tailgate. I kept my hands where he could see them and I stopped right there by the back bumper. Right there I was directly in his headlights, and I wanted to be sure he could see that I wasn’t carrying any kind of weapon, and I didn’t pose any type of threat to him.

Well he got out of his vehicle and walked toward me.

He stopped a little short of what I’d consider conversation distance, and he looked at me and said, “Do you have any firearms in your vehicle?”

I didn’t really expect him to ask me that. And I didn’t know why he asked, but I answered and said “Yes”

He asked where they were. And I really didn’t understand why he was asking me these questions. But I told him the truth, and I said “My pistol is between the drivers seat and the console.

He instantly turned and walked to the drivers side door, opened it, and removed my pistol. I stayed at the back of the truck. He approached me, held my HK 45 Compact up, and dropped the magazine. He then asked if there was a shell in the chamber, and I said, “Yes sir, there is.” He ejected it onto the ground, locked the slide back, and walked back to his patrol unit and got in it.
After the stop was completed, and my gun was was returned, I thought about the events that had happened.

I called the mayor of Shreveport, on Monday June 8th. Late in the day he finally called me back. I told him that I was very uncomfortable standing on a busy street without my hand gun, and I did not believe the officer had any reason, or right to remove it from my vehicle.

He told me that during a traffic stop "My rights were suspended." At first I couldn't believe he said that. Then, I thought “no one is going to believe me when I tell them he said that” so I turned on my digital recorder and recorded the rest of our conversation.

He said my right to drive off after a policeman stops me was suspended. He was comparing my Constitutional Rights with driving off after a policeman stops you - something that is against the law.

He didn't even know what RIGHTS are.

Laws on the books:
“Art. 215.1. Temporary questioning of persons in public places; frisk and search for weapons”

“A. A law enforcement officer may stop a person in a public place whom he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit an offense and may demand of him his name, address, and an explanation of his actions.”

“B. When a law enforcement officer has stopped a person for questioning pursuant to this Article and reasonably suspects that he is in danger, he may frisk the outer clothing of such person for a dangerous weapon. If the law enforcement officer reasonably suspects the person possesses a dangerous weapon, he may search the person.”

“C. If the law enforcement officer finds a dangerous weapon, he may take and keep it until the completion of the questioning, at which time he shall either return it, if lawfully possessed, or arrest such person.”

“D. During detention of an alleged violator of any provision of the motor vehicle laws of this state, an officer may not detain a motorist for a period of time longer than reasonably necessary to complete the investigation of the violation and issuance of a citation for the violation, absent reasonable suspicion of additional criminal activity. However, nothing herein shall prohibit a peace officer from compelling or instructing the motorist to comply with administrative or other legal requirements of Title 32 or Title 47 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950.”

Added by Acts 1968, No. 305, §1. Amended by Acts 1982, No. 686, §1; Acts 1983, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 32, §1; Acts 1997, No. 759, §3, eff. July 10, 199

Link is dead, but apparently he endorsed Obama
http://www.ktbs.com/news/Glover-backs-Obama-8554

Here is the Mayor selling the idea of more police for his city:
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3539545&referralPlaylistId=playlist

His bio:

The youngest son of Elizabeth Bradford Glover and the late Clarence Ernest Glover Sr., Cedric Bradford Glover, is a lifelong resident of Shreveport, LA, and was educated in the public and private schools of Caddo Parish. Early on, Cedric’s parents instilled in him and his siblings a sense of community and civic commitment.

These traits manifested themselves early in Cedric’s life. He started, what, at that time was the only black Boy Scout Troop in the entire NORWELA Council area. He later served with the Volunteers of America Lighthouse program as a Program Coordinator. During this time, he was elected Treasurer of the Shreveport Chapter of the NAACP, and President of the Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Club.

As President of the MLK Civic Club, Cedric had an opportunity to lead and advance an entire neighborhood. At that time, the MLK area was beset by the twin scourges of crack cocaine and gang violence and void of any constructive activities for the community’s young people. Cedric was active in efforts that culminated with the deployment of Operation THOR in the MLK area. Operation THOR, an acronym for Take, Hold, Organize, and Return, represents the largest mobilization of law enforcement in Northwest Louisiana history.

Prompted by the urging of many, Cedric offered himself as a candidate for the Shreveport City Council District A seat. In of November 1990, Cedric became the youngest individual ever elected to the Shreveport City Council. While on the City Council, he served terms as Council Chairman, Chairman of the Public Safety Committee, and was selected as Public Official of the Year by the Shreveport Chapter of the National Association of Social Workers. He also received the Louisiana Municipal Association’s Community Achievement Award three times, as well as the Shreveport Negro Chamber of Commerce Political Achievement Award.

As Councilman, Cedric also secured more than thirty million dollars in capital construction dollars for his district, and increased the Parks and Recreation budget by 30 percent and declared war on liquor stores selling to minors, resulting in the first liquor license revocations in the City’s history. He also championed and advanced the concept of Community Oriented Policing, at a time when most in law enforcement saw little value in it. During his tenure on the Council, he was a board member of the Greater Shreveport Economic Development Committee, Goodwill Industries, the Metropolitan YMCA, and became the youngest graduate of the Leadership Louisiana Program.

In October of 1995, Cedric was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives. During that time, as a member of the House, he was elected to the Executive Committee of the Louisiana Legislative Black Caucus. He was also selected as Legislator of the Year by the Rural Caucus, and selected as Legislator of the Month by the Louisiana Municipal Association, Citizens Against Crime Inc. for instituting the first computer automated crime victim notification system in the entire state of Louisiana.

On November 7, 2006, Cedric B. Glover, made history as the first African American Mayor of his hometown, Shreveport, LA. He considers it an honor to serve as Mayor and strives daily to make Shreveport, ‘the next great city of the South’!’

Find Out More About the City of Shreveport at: www.shreveportla.gov

Billy_Bob
June 30th, 2009, 12:30 pm
Liberal = you have no rights unless i say so...

hatman
June 30th, 2009, 12:32 pm
Good grief. Do you have a problem with this police procedure to ensure their safety?
The police officer did absolutely nothing wrong and tying this to Community Organizer who's confiscating guns is disingenous at best.

Billy_Bob
June 30th, 2009, 12:38 pm
Good grief. Do you have a problem with this police procedure to ensure their safety?
The police officer did absolutely nothing wrong and tying this to Community Organizer who's confiscating guns is disingenous at best.

1. This Officer EXCEEDED his statutory authority. The subject was removed from the weapon. there was no need to obtain it from the area it was placed. There was "no threat"

2. In keeping with concealed weapons permit laws the officer was informed, not that the officer didn't already know when the license plate was run and his CWP was noted on the screen.

3. A terry frisk is limited to the person and his reachable IMMEDIATE AREA..

shannytown
June 30th, 2009, 12:53 pm
Good grief. Do you have a problem with this police procedure to ensure their safety?
The police officer did absolutely nothing wrong and tying this to Community Organizer who's confiscating guns is disingenous at best.
The officer has to have PROBABLE CAUSE to pull someone over. Was probable cause given as to the reason you were pulled over? If not, the person pulled over has a right to sue for non compliance of the law that the offficer failed to uphold.

Billy_Bob
June 30th, 2009, 12:57 pm
The officer has to have PROBABLE CAUSE to pull someone over. Was probable cause given as to the reason you were pulled over? If not, the person pulled over has a right to sue for non compliance of the law that the offficer failed to uphold.

That would be "Reasonable Suspicion" of a crime being committed. Probable cause is what is required to get a warrant for search or arrest...simple suspicion is cause enough to further investigate.

TCUFan
June 30th, 2009, 1:08 pm
OK, first of all, did the policeman actually leave the scene with the gun in his possession?

No, I don't think he did. It doesn't even sound like the officer was that rude. If I get pulled over, I'm going to tell him there is a pistol in my truck and I have a concealed handgun permit so that he can rest a little easier and we can conclude whatever business we have in comfort. If I feel at any time my rights are abrogated by the officer, that's what a lawyer is for.

If the officer wants to check that the weapon is there, he can. It's not a problem for me, because that is RESPONSIBLE gun ownership. Considering that many of the residents of our county still have rifles in the gun rack of their pickups, you'd think our deputies would be a little more nervous. They aren't, and the last time one was killed, it was because a drunk hit him while he had someone pulled over.

Gun owners expect rights, the right to keep their firearms on their person at any time is chief. The man's gun was not taken. The officer merely insured that a weapon was not going to be used on him. They do something very similar when they roll up on to an attempted burglary and a homeowner is holding the intruder for the police at gunpoint. They temporarily take the homeowner's weapon, mostly because the homeowners are generally pretty nervous at catching someone in their home and they want to avoid Mr. Homeowner accidentally shooting them in the ass because he's jumpy. They do not leave the house with Mr. Homeowner's gun. Unless Mr. Homeowner has an outstanding warrant or has unloaded the gun into the intruder before the police get there and the details of the shooting are a little...sketchy.

Being a police officer is a dangerous business and it's getting more and more dangerous all the time. We freak out when we see officers using gear that looks like it belongs on the streets of Baghdad, but hey, YOU have it, why can't they? Always try to be on an equal playing field.

TCUFan

jimmyc123
June 30th, 2009, 1:17 pm
In Texas an officer can temporarily take a handgun during a traffic stop -

A trooper may disarm a licensee anytime he or she feels that safety is at risk. The trooper will return the gun at the end of the traffic stop when the threat to safety has passed.


http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/stop.htm

Wayne_L
June 30th, 2009, 1:18 pm
I have a CPL so I have more than a passing interest in this. In this case I believe this person had an agenda. When your pulled over by a police officer, stay in the car. The minute you open the door, you are perceived as a threat and you are putting your life in jeopardy, especially on a busy street.

Anyway if this individual didn't feel safe on the street in the presence of a police officer, why did he leave his pistol in the car in the first place? He never mentioned that he told the police officer that he held a CPL either, which is dumb. I'm not going to research LA gun law but here in Michigan if you have a CPL and get pulled over you are required to tell the police you have a CPL. It's probably a legal issue of access to the pistol, since it was in his car and the car was not secured by the police I think a good lawyer could argue that this person still retained control of his pistol.

MrShotShot
June 30th, 2009, 1:23 pm
I think y'all are confusing the issues. The issue isn't what the officer did, the issue is that the Mayor feels that Constitutional rights are suspended during traffic stops.

Really? Tell that to the thousands of people who have gotten off b/c it was determined that the police did something that violated their Constitutional rights.

RTchoke
June 30th, 2009, 1:26 pm
The way I am reading this, I see more of an issue with the statement "He told me that during a traffic stop "My rights were suspended." as opposed to the securing of his weapon until the conclusion of the traffic stop.

RTchoke
June 30th, 2009, 1:28 pm
I think y'all are confusing the issues. The issue isn't what the officer did, the issue is that the Mayor feels that Constitutional rights are suspended during traffic stops.

Really? Tell that to the thousands of people who have gotten off b/c it was determined that the police did something that violated their Constitutional rights.

Bingo.