Hey moon hoax theorists! LRO is in lunar orbit now. Sooooo...

[Darkblade]

whatchu goin a do about it? It can and will resolve the lunar landing sites, not only the landers, and buggies but the larger equipment they left behind that can only get into the positions they were left in by human transport.... whatchu goin' a do when the LRO comes for you?

[Safiel]

To commemorate the LRO, let's have some classic Buzz Aldrin vs the hoax whackos. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU <47 seconds>

[Darkblade]

go Buzz! (octogenarian national hero kicks young idiot's zero accomplishment's but being an obnoxious flat-earther loser's ass on live TV!) Woot!

[Dual867PowerMac]

Dark, are you seriously asking me to take NASA's word on something — again? They killed Thomas Ronald Baron and his wife and step-daughter and I suspect they killed Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White.

And I happen to think Sibrel deserved the punch. He's a good filmmaker, but a lousy interviewer.

Alex Jones he isn't.

[Darkblade]

dual... the LRO will provide photo proof of not only the apollo landers and human activity on the moon but the old soviet landers and rovers. further the precursor is a foreign orbiter that will only be able to resolve the landers s a s a 2 pixel wide object but the shadows as ten pixel long objects. in short it won't just be NASA's word.

[Dual867PowerMac]

dual... the LRO will provide photo proof of not only the apollo landers and human activity on the moon but the old soviet landers and rovers. further the precursor is a foreign orbiter that will only be able to resolve the landers s a s a 2 pixel wide object but the shadows as ten pixel long objects. in short it won't just be NASA's word.
Okay... :)

[Darkblade]

Dark, are you seriously asking me to take NASA's word on something — again? They killed Thomas Ronald Baron and his wife and step-daughter and I suspect they killed Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White.

And I happen to think Sibrel deserved the punch. He's a good filmmaker, but a lousy interviewer.

Alex Jones he isn't.and if you feel Aldrin was justified to punch the lunar hoax guy why do you feel that? if Aldrin was a fraud the wasn't the interviewer right? in that case wouldn't Aldrin's punch be in connection with keeping up some nefarious facade?

[Dual867PowerMac]

and if you feel Aldrin was justified to punch the lunar hoax guy why do you feel that? if Aldrin was a fraud the wasn't the interviewer right? in that case wouldn't Aldrin's punch be in connection with keeping up some nefarious facade?
Doesn't matter. Sibrel was being an ass.

[Wookinstien]

go Buzz! (octogenarian national hero kicks young idiot's zero accomplishment's but being an obnoxious flat-earther loser's ass on live TV!) Woot!

Now THAT is a synopsis!!! :))

[LouC]

whatchu goin a do about it? It can and will resolve the lunar landing sites, not only the landers, and buggies but the larger equipment they left behind that can only get into the positions they were left in by human transport.... whatchu goin' a do when the LRO comes for you?

The HB crowd and the Hoagland Groupies are already denying future LRO and current LCROSS images will be unaltered and claim they will be sanitized by NASA before they are released.

Little shoe wearing monkeys will never trust NASA.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I don't understand why the hoax guys can't just sit back and enjoy the greatest accomplishments of time. It's like people in England denying that Columbus found another land.

[LouC]

I don't understand why the hoax guys can't just sit back and enjoy the greatest accomplishments of time. It's like people in England denying that Columbus found another land.

What I love is people like Richard Hoagland.

He is one piece of work.

He has debunked Apollo Moon Landing HB theories because they, if true, would refute his Dark Mission Moon theories.

Theories of evidence that ancient civilizations existed on the Moon and left artifacts that he has allegedly found captured in Apollo pictures taken by Apollo astronauts on the Moon.

Irony at it's finest.

Nut job conspiracy theorist debunking nut job conspiracy theorists. :))

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, unlike an iPhone, it takes the NASA cameras weeks before the pictures are ready to get released to the public.

How ****ing sweet would it have been if Mac was able to Crazy Glue an iPhone onto the LRO and live stream video back in real times?

[Darkblade]

lol. too bad for them some of the photos are from emerging space powerssuch as India, China, and Japan.

"Oooooh i don't trust LRO because NASA would just photoshop it to keep their credibility! er wait!? what do you mean several countries not necessarily up with helping NASA maintain its prestige will also have photos? nooooo! they must be in on it too!"

never mind that the USSR RDFed the telemetry stream and would have certainly noticed time and angle discrepancies and other tell tale signals of falsification.

[LouC]

Yeah, unlike an iPhone, it takes the NASA cameras weeks before the pictures are ready to get released to the public.

How ****ing sweet would it have been if Mac was able to Crazy Glue an iPhone onto the LRO and live stream video back in real times?

Spin little shoe wearing monkey, spin like the wind.

iPhone and crazy glue?

I would have thought a little shoe wearing monkey would at least have supported his own kind and suggested using Gorilla Glue instead.

[Darkblade]

or the some quarter of a million people ultimately involved with doing the missions didn't leak details of the hoax in over 4 decades... but the nation can't even keep top secret CIA and budget items secret through one election cycle.

[Darkblade]

but they were an elite cadre of super secret NASA ninjas that would take a suicide pill rather than spill the beans. to this day they are not allowed to be hypnotised, go under anesthesia at the dentist or take perscription meds or drink alcohol even.

and the proof is there for you all to see! Mr Aldrin clearly used the Dim Mak on that interviewer. the poor reporter is going to die at a time only Aldrin knows....

[MrShotShot]

but they were an elite cadre of super secret NASA ninjas that would take a suicide pill rather than spill the beans. to this day they are not allowed to be hypnotised, go under anethesia at the dentist or take perscription meds or drink alcohol even.

Perhaps the same ninjas that secretly wired the WTC for demolition without any of the thousands of folks who work there seeing them do it.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

or the some quarter of a million people ultimately involved with doing the missions didn't leak details of the hoax in over 4 decades... but the nation can't even keep top secret CIA and budget items secret through one election cycle.

THAT is what I've been saying for years (and in another thread the other day). Those guys expect me to believe that all those people, and their family members, kept a secret for 4 decades. My wife can't keep a secret for 2 days.

And yes, all other countries with space programs are in on it too. I mean, come one. Do I look that stupid (no answers please)?

[Ninjacorpse]

Yeah, it's always the ninja's. :rolleyes:

[Darkblade]

:) it was the Dim mak i tell ya! Aldrin's a ninja!

[LouC]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/lswm.jpg

Stooooopid NASA Ninja's!

[CrusaderFrank]

What's really weird is that we keep going back. Why? What's the point?

No atmosphere. No Water. We hit golf balls there. Why keep going back to a barren, lifeless world that was never inhabited to take yet more pictures, albeit weeks later, of rocks and stuff.

We'd be better off and safer colonizing Antarctica than the Moon.

Is this really time effort and money well spent to take higher resolution pictures then we already have and release them weeks later?

[LouC]

What's really weird is that we keep going back. Why? What's the point?

No atmosphere. No Water. We hit golf balls there. Why keep going back to a barren, lifeless world that was never inhabited to take yet more pictures, albeit weeks later, of rocks and stuff.

We'd be better off and safer colonizing Antarctica than the Moon.

Is this really time effort and money well spent to take higher resolution pictures then we already have and release them weeks later?

That has been explained.

Non little shoe wearing monkeys understand the "why".

[CrusaderFrank]

That has been explained.

Non little shoe wearing monkeys understand the "why".

It has been explained, but like the "We lost the Mars Orbiter because we confused Imperial measurements with Metric" it's another NASA explanation that makes no sense.

No atmosphere, no water, never inhabited (trust us on that) but we keep going back because it's such a darn fascinating place and we're going to colonize it one day.

Ummm, yeah, sure we are.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

What's really weird is that we keep going back. Why? What's the point?

No atmosphere. No Water. We hit golf balls there. Why keep going back to a barren, lifeless world that was never inhabited to take yet more pictures, albeit weeks later, of rocks and stuff.

We'd be better off and safer colonizing Antarctica than the Moon.

Is this really time effort and money well spent to take higher resolution pictures then we already have and release them weeks later?

You're not much of an adventurer are you?

[Darkblade]

reasons to go to the moon: rare helium isotope that produces no radioactive byproducts when used as fusion reactor fuel can be mined there.rare metals also. water is there in the craters. (i don't know where one of the posters got the opposite idea) best advanced astronomy site ever... practice for eventual colonization of mars etc. best place to shakedown life support, food, radiation shielding and other technology and knowledges needed for deep space missions. its safer. if there is an issue rescue is easier.

also geology and study of origins of solar system and earth, some mining and manufacturing. could act as a space dry dock and shipyards for building larger space going vessels. for example moon material such as titanium and steel could be mined, refined and fabricated easier and cheaper than and in greater quantities than could be reasonably lifted off the earth.

advanced propulsion engines could be more safely made and tested there than on the earth. it is almost impossible to get RTG generators approved for launch here on earth due to enviro-weenies and kooks suing.

[Socrates]

I never really understood why people have such difficulty accepting that we went to the moon. I mean, it's not like it's rocket sci....um...never mind. :D

Seriously though, why is it so difficult to believe? It's not as if it's an insurmountable technical challenge or anything. Frankly, it would be more difficult to fake it and keep everyone but the few who don't believe it in the dark than it would to just go there.

[Safiel]

reasons to go to the moon: rare helium isotope that produces no radioactive byproducts when used as fusion reactor fuel can be mined there.rare metals also. water is there in the craters. (i don't know where one of the posters got the opposite idea) best advanced astronomy site ever... practice for eventual colonization of mars etc. best place to shakedown life support, food, radiation shielding and other technology and knowledges needed for deep space missions. its safer. if there is an issue rescue is easier.

also geology and study of origins of solar system and earth, some mining and manufacturing. could act as a space dry dock and shipyards for building larger space going vessels. for example moon material such as titanium and steel could be mined, refined and fabricated easier and cheaper than and in greater quantities than could be reasonably lifted off the earth.

advanced propulsion engines could be more safely made and tested there than on the earth. it is almost impossible to get RTG generators approved for launch here on earth due to enviro-weenies and kooks suing.

I would prefer to see it taken out of the government's hands though and run on a for profit basis in the free market. There is much to be exploited on the moon. Yes, the initial capitalization requirements will be staggering but the rewards will be huge.

[Alaric]

Another reason: The vacuum pressure on the moon is much lower than can be achieved in most vacuum chambers here on Earth. High tech vacuum pumps don't even get close. Diffusion pumps reach 10^-6 torr range, turbo pumps 10^-8, and cryo-pumps can reach about 10^-9 torr. But the pressure on the moon is 10^-12 torr, or about a thousand times better vacuum than what we can get here. By comparrison, near Earth orbital vacuum pressures are 10^-3 torr to 10^-7 torr. The moon's high "natural vacuum" environment would make it an ideal place for the manufacture of some semiconductors and other materials as well as particle accelerator research. The vacuum would also enable the refining of metals to purities impossible to achieve on Earth.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

i wonder if the moon will eventually be like the "Americas" regarding how it will be carved up. i guess all the countries with space programs will fight it out for the territory on the moon.

[LouC]

i wonder if the moon will eventually be like the "Americas" regarding how it will be carved up. i guess all the countries with space programs will fight it out for the territory on the moon.


Who will be the "Native Lunians"?

[CrusaderFrank]

You're not much of an adventurer are you?

I'm extremely adventurous, I just have no great vested interested in proving that we're the most technologically advanced civilization that ever existed in the Solar System

[LouC]

...I just have no great vested interested in proving that we're the most technologically advanced civilization that ever existed in the Solar System

Neither do I.

At least we have that in common Frank.

[Samm]

dual... the LRO will provide photo proof of not only the apollo landers and human activity on the moon but the old soviet landers and rovers. further the precursor is a foreign orbiter that will only be able to resolve the landers s a s a 2 pixel wide object but the shadows as ten pixel long objects. in short it won't just be NASA's word.

Proof? It is far easier to fake pixels in a digital photograph than it is to fake a Moon landing... as I'm sure Frank will point out when the photos are published.

[Alaric]

...I just have no great vested interested in proving that we're the most technologically advanced civilization that ever existed in the Solar System

FWIW, odds are that we are probably the most technologically advanced civilization that we will ever encounter now or in the future, and for that matter, probably the only civilization, technological or otherwise in any part of space that we can feasibly reach.

That is not to say that there aren't other advanced civilizations, the odds favor there being many of others, probably millions throughout the universe. But space is so vast that the odds of two civilizations ever crossing paths in the same space and time are extremely small. It would be a very rare and remarkable event if two advanced species crossed paths.

We may find life, but if we do the odds are again against it being intelligent - making us in essence the closest thing to gods (emphasis on lower case g) in our part of the universe. The jury is still out on whether that is an evolutionary advantage or detriment - little g gods have the power to create and destroy.

[muhadeeb99]

FWIW, odds are that we are probably the most technologically advanced civilization that we will ever encounter now or in the future, and for that matter, probably the only civilization, technological or otherwise in any part of space that we can feasibly reach.

That is not to say that there aren't other advanced civilizations, the odds favor there being many of others, probably millions throughout the universe. But space is so vast that the odds of two civilizations ever crossing paths in the same space and time are extremely small. It would be a very rare and remarkable event if two advanced species crossed paths.

We may find life, but if we do the odds are again against it being intelligent - making us in essence the closest thing to gods (emphasis on lower case g) in our part of the universe. The jury is still out on whether that is an evolutionary advantage or detriment - little g gods have the power to create and destroy.

Just a bit of thought. We occupy a small bit of the universe comparable to a farm house located a few hundred miles from the largest city. Thats on a galaxy scale. In our Milky Way we are in the outlying district where the address is on a stick with a post-it note on it.

[LouC]

FWIW, odds are that we are probably the most technologically advanced civilization that we will ever encounter now or in the future, and for that matter, probably the only civilization, technological or otherwise in any part of space that we can feasibly reach.

That is not to say that there aren't other advanced civilizations, the odds favor there being many of others, probably millions throughout the universe. But space is so vast that the odds of two civilizations ever crossing paths in the same space and time are extremely small. It would be a very rare and remarkable event if two advanced species crossed paths.

We may find life, but if we do the odds are again against it being intelligent - making us in essence the closest thing to gods (emphasis on lower case g) in our part of the universe. The jury is still out on whether that is an evolutionary advantage or detriment - little g gods have the power to create and destroy.

If there is more intelligent life existing in our neighborhood of the universe it is a really good bet they will find us.

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

whatchu goin a do about it? It can and will resolve the lunar landing sites, not only the landers, and buggies but the larger equipment they left behind that can only get into the positions they were left in by human transport.... whatchu goin' a do when the LRO comes for you?

Prove it.

[LouC]

Proof? It is far easier to fake pixels in a digital photograph than it is to fake a Moon landing... as I'm sure Frank will point out when the photos are published.

Frank, the little shoe wearing monkey, has already 10 ways from Sunday dismissed any LRO pictures that will eventually come out as being buggered and "sanitized" by evil NASA.

[RedStatePaPa]

FWIW, odds are that we are probably the most technologically advanced civilization that we will ever encounter now or in the future, and for that matter, probably the only civilization, technological or otherwise in any part of space that we can feasibly reach.

That is not to say that there aren't other advanced civilizations, the odds favor there being many of others, probably millions throughout the universe. But space is so vast that the odds of two civilizations ever crossing paths in the same space and time are extremely small. It would be a very rare and remarkable event if two advanced species crossed paths.

We may find life, but if we do the odds are again against it being intelligent - making us in essence the closest thing to gods (emphasis on lower case g) in our part of the universe. The jury is still out on whether that is an evolutionary advantage or detriment - little g gods have the power to create and destroy.

Oh God I hope they aren't liberals. :lol:

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

FWIW, odds are that we are probably the most technologically advanced civilization that we will ever encounter now or in the future, and for that matter, probably the only civilization, technological or otherwise in any part of space that we can feasibly reach.

That is not to say that there aren't other advanced civilizations, the odds favor there being many of others, probably millions throughout the universe. But space is so vast that the odds of two civilizations ever crossing paths in the same space and time are extremely small. It would be a very rare and remarkable event if two advanced species crossed paths.

We may find life, but if we do the odds are again against it being intelligent - making us in essence the closest thing to gods (emphasis on lower case g) in our part of the universe. The jury is still out on whether that is an evolutionary advantage or detriment - little g gods have the power to create and destroy.

+1

I read an article years ago right along those lines. It also hypothesized that by the time a civilization reaches the point when they can travel great distances, they also have the ability, and likelihood, of destroying themselves. Thus, lowering the chance that two civilizations ever cross.

[CrusaderFrank]

So why are China, Japan and India mapping the Moon?

I mean if there's nothing there and if the Pentagon did such a great job with Clementine, why do three separate nations feel the need to go and DO THEIR OWN MAPPING?

[Alaric]

If there is more intelligent life existing in our neighborhood of the universe it is a really good bet they will find us.

That depends. If they are intelligent enough they may just decide to avoid us like the plague.

[Darkblade]

So why are China, Japan and India mapping the Moon?

I mean if there's nothing there and if the Pentagon did such a great job with Clementine, why do three separate nations feel the need to go and DO THEIR OWN MAPPING?prestige of becoming a space power.

[Darkblade]

both China and i think India are planning on manned missions to the moon. you know what the hoax theorists say is impossible due to radiations and other stuffs.

[CrusaderFrank]

Like NASA, China and India have realized that the prize that waits on the Moon is worth taking a chance on deep frying a few astronauts.

[CrusaderFrank]

prestige of becoming a space power.

China and India and Japan have so little faith in the maps that NASA/Pentagon have published that they are each independently drawing their own maps.

If the Clementine images were so ****ing fantastic why the need to make their own maps?

Spin it however you want.

[LouC]

China and India and Japan have so little faith in the maps that NASA/Pentagon have published that they are each independently drawing their own maps.

If the Clementine images were so ****ing fantastic why the need to make their own maps?

Spin it however you want.

The only spin is from you the little shoe wearing monkey.


NEW DELHI -- Scientists have better maps of distant Mars than the moon where astronauts have walked. But India hopes to change that with its first lunar mission.

Chandrayaan-1 -- which means "Moon Craft" in ancient Sanskrit -- lifted off from the Sriharikota space center in southern India at 8:50 p.m. EDT Tuesday in a two-year mission aimed at laying the groundwork for further Indian space expeditions.

Chief among the mission's goals is mapping not only the surface of the moon, but what lies beneath. If the launch is successful, India will join what's shaping up as a 21st-century space race, with Chinese and Japanese crafts already in orbit around the moon.

LINK (http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_world/story/1263931.html)

A renewal of robotic lunar exploration is ready for liftoff in 2007--and not by the United States. This year, China is set to launch its first lunar orbiter, followed by the summer sendoff of a mega-powerful mooncraft from Japan.

Both nations are kick-starting a barrage of robotic survey ships that shoot for the Moon, including lunar missions by India and the United States in 2008.

LINK (http://www.space.com/news/070102_asia_moonprobes.html)

Her are two articles that again will help lift that veil of ignorance before your eyes should you choose to read and comprehend them.

If not you will once again return with further inane comments such as your post above.

[CrusaderFrank]

The only spin is from you the little shoe wearing monkey.

Her are two articles that again will help lift that veil of ignorance before your eyes should you choose to read and comprehend them.

If not you will once again return with further inane comments such as your post above.

Take time in between insults to read what you once in a while.

"NEW DELHI -- Scientists have better maps of distant Mars than the moon where astronauts have walked. But India hopes to change that with its first lunar mission."

No one trusts the official NASA Moon maps! How can you not see that?! The very article you posted shows how full of crap NASA is!

Three countries now need to get their own maps even after the bang up job Clementine did in the 90's. The technology that existed then allowed the Pentagon to take pictures through Earth atmosphere that were so detailed you could see that my lawn chairs needed to be repainted. But when it came time to publish their Moon pics, they pixelate at a resolution of 2 miles. Yeah, that makes sense.

No one trusts NASA Moon maps, that's why India China and Japa are spending the money for their own maps

[Darkblade]

lol its a scientific bagdhad bob :))

[MrShotShot]

Take time in between insults to read what you once in a while.

"NEW DELHI -- Scientists have better maps of distant Mars than the moon where astronauts have walked. But India hopes to change that with its first lunar mission."

No one trusts the official NASA Moon maps! How can you not see that?! The very article you posted shows how full of crap NASA is!

Three countries now need to get their own maps even after the bang up job Clementine did in the 90's. The technology that existed then allowed the Pentagon to take pictures through Earth atmosphere that were so detailed you could see that my lawn chairs needed to be repainted. But when it came time to publish their Moon pics, they pixelate at a resolution of 2 miles. Yeah, that makes sense.

No one trusts NASA Moon maps, that's why India China and Japa are spending the money for their own maps

Right, because as we know, technology hasn't advanced one iota since the early 90s and there is no way to do anything better in 2009 than was done in 1994. :wall:

[CrusaderFrank]

Right, because as we know, technology hasn't advanced one iota since the early 90s and there is no way to do anything better in 2009 than was done in 1994. :wall:

We had the technology in 1994 to take Moon pic that resolve down to a few yards, maybe better, but NASA, I'm sorry I mean the Pentagon since they launched Clementine, choose to keep the results to themselves and only post pictures that were no better than 2, (I rechecked and it's 5 miles, not 2) miles resolution.

[Kazsirk]

I think the best first people to send to the moon would not be astronauts or not just trained space people.

We should send families men women and children.

colonial villiages with underground compounds
yes biology scientist and yes astronomy scientist but also adventures and actors too. the more interest the more money the more money the more people the more people the more advancement to continue to move out into space.

if we don't go out soon we never will.
kaz

[uncledoom]

Here's what really happened....:rolleyes:

A very good movie by the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One

[MrShotShot]

We had the technology in 1994 to take Moon pic that resolve down to a few yards, maybe better, but NASA, I'm sorry I mean the Pentagon since they launched Clementine, choose to keep the results to themselves and only post pictures that were no better than 2, (I rechecked and it's 5 miles, not 2) miles resolution.

But that still doesn't mean that it can't be done better now. So to imply that China and India are doing this because NASA was trying to hide something is a bit of a stretch.

Let me ask you, if the Chinese and Indian photos come back showing the exact same thing as the NASA photos did, will you admit that you are wrong? Or will you spin some kind of theory of a global space conspiracy?

[LouC]

We had the technology in 1994 to take Moon pic that resolve down to a few yards, maybe better, but NASA, I'm sorry I mean the Pentagon since they launched Clementine, choose to keep the results to themselves and only post pictures that were no better than 2, (I rechecked and it's 5 miles, not 2) miles resolution.

Which hoaxer did you check with to get your theories about resolution?

[Pauper66]

You're not much of an adventurer are you?

I like my adventures 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea.

We know more about Deep Space than we do about the Deep Oceans on this very planet.

That is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

[LouC]

Right, because as we know, technology hasn't advanced one iota since the early 90s and there is no way to do anything better in 2009 than was done in 1994. :wall:

Construction of Clementine began in 1992.

The technology incorporated was obviously pre 1992.

[CrusaderFrank]

But that still doesn't mean that it can't be done better now. So to imply that China and India are doing this because NASA was trying to hide something is a bit of a stretch.

Let me ask you, if the Chinese and Indian photos come back showing the exact same thing as the NASA photos did, will you admit that you are wrong? Or will you spin some kind of theory of a global space conspiracy?

Again, don't worry. In another week or so, once the LRO gets over its motion sickness we will get the clearest, squeaky cleanest pictures of the Moon ever released by NASA. No more smudges or ink stains or anything.

[CrusaderFrank]

Construction of Clementine began in 1992.

The technology incorporated was obviously pre 1992.

Google Moon pixelates at 5 miles in most of the areas of interest, yet is good down to 20 ft at the Apollo Landing sites.

See the problem?

[LouC]

Google Moon pixelates at 5 miles in most of the areas of interest, yet is good down to 20 ft at the Apollo Landing sites.

See the problem?

I do think there is pixelation going on and it has nothing to do with google.

Okay that, despite being a bit off on facts, I think I can understand and help you understand.

First off Frank the Google Moon mosaic is not just Clementine images.

The Apollo Landing sites that are in much greater detail are that way because they are images taken from the Lunar Orbiters that were sent to the Moon in the 60's to scout Apollo landing sites.

Those images were not digital images.

The Clementine digital image resolution varied depending on altitude of the orbiter from 7 meters to 22 meters per pixel.

That is from 22 feet to 65 feet per pixel with each pixel representing one dot on your computer monitor.

LM's were approximately 18' feet on the diagonal from pad to pad and would not have shown up in the Clementine digital imagery.

LRO resolution is supposed to be down to 1/2 meter.

The google moon mosaic is not highly detailed for good reason.

Peoples computers could not handle the data stream.

You can order a set of Clementine CD Roms with the images in complete detail.

That map of the Moon you see at google Moon is rendered down from a set of 88 CD's full of image data.

[CrusaderFrank]

I do think there is pixelation going on and it has nothing to do with google.

Okay that, despite being a bit off on facts, I think I can understand and help you understand.

First off Frank the Google Moon mosaic is not just Clementine images.

The Apollo Landing sites that are in much greater detail are that way because they are images taken from the Lunar Orbiters that were sent to the Moon in the 60's to scout Apollo landing sites.

Those images were not digital images.

The Clementine digital image resolution varied depending on altitude of the orbiter from 7 meters to 22 meters per pixel.

That is from 22 feet to 65 feet per pixel with each pixel representing one dot on your computer monitor.

LM's were approximately 18' feet on the diagonal from pad to pad and would not have shown up in the Clementine digital imagery.

LRO resolution is supposed to be down to 1/2 meter.

The google moon mosaic is not highly detailed for good reason.

Peoples computers could not handle the data stream.

You can order a set of Clementine CD Roms with the images in complete detail.

That map of the Moon you see at google Moon is rendered down from a set of 88 CD's full of image data.

In my best Ed McMahon, "I did not know that"

[LouC]

In my best Ed McMahon, "I did not know that"

Glad to be of help Frank.

[PredFan]

whatchu goin a do about it? It can and will resolve the lunar landing sites, not only the landers, and buggies but the larger equipment they left behind that can only get into the positions they were left in by human transport.... whatchu goin' a do when the LRO comes for you?

This is the first post, the OP. Have not read any of the others but I'll bet that someone will claim NASA will doctor the photos from the LRO to cover it all up.

[PredFan]

Dark, are you seriously asking me to take NASA's word on something — again? They killed Thomas Ronald Baron and his wife and step-daughter and I suspect they killed Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White.

And I happen to think Sibrel deserved the punch. He's a good filmmaker, but a lousy interviewer.

Alex Jones he isn't.

Post #4

Murder?!?!?! More extreme than I expected.

[PredFan]

FWIW, odds are that we are probably the most technologically advanced civilization that we will ever encounter now or in the future, and for that matter, probably the only civilization, technological or otherwise in any part of space that we can feasibly reach.

That is not to say that there aren't other advanced civilizations, the odds favor there being many of others, probably millions throughout the universe. But space is so vast that the odds of two civilizations ever crossing paths in the same space and time are extremely small. It would be a very rare and remarkable event if two advanced species crossed paths.

We may find life, but if we do the odds are again against it being intelligent - making us in essence the closest thing to gods (emphasis on lower case g) in our part of the universe. The jury is still out on whether that is an evolutionary advantage or detriment - little g gods have the power to create and destroy.


The Drake Equasion is woefully inadequate. It's like a Model T, important as a step in progress but way out-dated. It fails to take into account numerous findings from astrophysics and astronomy. But my arguments do support your point, but I would go further and say that we are most likely the most advanced race in our galaxy and possibly the universe. AND we landed on the moon.

[PredFan]

You can argue the reasons for China and India to map the moon, but, going back to the OP, as soon as they do we will know the truth about the Apollo Moon landings.

Moon Landing Hoaxers, your days are numbered and your time is running out.

[Darkblade]

The Drake Equasion is woefully inadequate. It's like a Model T, important as a step in progress but way out-dated. It fails to take into account numerous findings from astrophysics and astronomy. But my arguments do support your point, but I would go further and say that we are most likely the most advanced race in our galaxy and possibly the universe. AND we landed on the moon.
especially given that we now know red dwarf stars can house earth like planets and binaries can too. that increases likely habitable worlds many many many times.

[Samm]

Glad to be of help Frank.

It may just be my imagination Lou, but that looked like progress. ;)

[LouC]

It may just be my imagination Lou, but that looked like progress. ;)

Yes it was.

We both came away with something positive.

[PredFan]

especially given that we now know red dwarf stars can house earth like planets and binaries can too. that increases likely habitable worlds many many many times.

Depends upon what you define as earth-like. Binary stars would have a habitable zone so close to the stars that the garvitational pulls from both would make complex life next to impossible.

[Darkblade]

Depends upon whay you determine as earth-like. Binary stars would have a habitable zone so close to the stars that the gravitational pulls from both would make complex life next to impossible.with reference to Binaries that depends on some complex factors. like distance between stars size/type and some lesser factors thrown in too.

[PredFan]

with reference to Binaries that depends on some complex factors. like distance between stars size/type and some lesser factors thrown in too.

That's what I mean. All those factors reduce the number of planets that could sustain complex life forms considerably.

If you are talking about binary star systems, there is a maximum distance befre they are not binary systems. The habitable zones are a funcetion of heat, radiation, and gravity. The pull from two stars would create quite a bit of heat on any planet. get enough distance from the two stars and you would have such a wobbly (for lack of a better term) orbit that the surface of any planet would be too unstable.

[Darkblade]

there was an article a few moths ago about scientists rethinking the rarity of suitable binary systems for liveable planets.

[LouC]

That's what I mean. All those factors reduce the number of planets that could sustain complex life forms considerably....

How can we assume that. :question:

[Darkblade]

similar to this article but discussing life zones parameters for binaries: http://www.universetoday.com/2009/06/10/planet-forming-disk-discovered-orbiting-binary-system/