Broke 6 CFI Light bulbs...

[Gunslinger]

Wife was cooking dinner this evening when I heard a crash in the kitchen.

Long story short, a ceiling fan which was installed improperly became unseated from the roof and fell to the floor, shattering the 6 CFI light bulbs my wife insisted we start using.

I remembered reading something about the bulbs being hazardous and had her leave the room while I looked up the 'proper' cleanup methods on the internet.

Open all of the windows.
Turn the AC off.
Air out the room.
Don't use a broom or vaccum....

... plastic bag shoes and use cardboard/paper to lift the debris and paper towels with gloves to get everything else.

Disposal is even more of a chore.

A 5 minute cleanup turned into a 2 hour hazmat drill.

Never again. Every one of these things is out of my house.

I'll go back to my old bulbs.

Anyone else not using these CFI's?

[Safiel]

The Achilles heal of the CFL bulbs. Hazmat if you break them. I use them myself, but I don't have kids around the house. I use incandescents in the places where there is an increased hazard of breakage <workshop, etc.>.

I can clearly understand and sympathize with your position.

I use them because you can stick a much brighter shining CFL bulb in a socket which would only accommodate a low wattage incandescent bulb.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

If I break one, I'll just sweep it up and throw it away.

CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing – an average of 4 milligrams. By comparison, older thermometers contain about 500 milligrams of mercury – an amount equal to the mercury in 125 CFLs.

Pfft.

[doodle5]

JANUARY THIS YEAR LOWES HAD A SPECIAL DISCOUNT ON REGULAR BULBS, we bought many, they give off better light in room. Unscrew them throw them away, no big deal.

Carlene

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

I prefer the CFLs. They last forever.

[WhiteHatBobby]

The cap and trade law would ban regular incandescent bulbs by removing the "rough service" exemption that allows manufacturers to use 130-volt bulbs.

[LouC]

Wife was cooking dinner this evening when I heard a crash in the kitchen.

Long story short, a ceiling fan which was installed improperly became unseated from the roof and fell to the floor, shattering the 6 CFI light bulbs my wife insisted we start using.

I remembered reading something about the bulbs being hazardous and had her leave the room while I looked up the 'proper' cleanup methods on the internet.

Open all of the windows.
Turn the AC off.
Air out the room.
Don't use a broom or vaccum....

... plastic bag shoes and use cardboard/paper to lift the debris and paper towels with gloves to get everything else.

Disposal is even more of a chore.

A 5 minute cleanup turned into a 2 hour hazmat drill.

Never again. Every one of these things is out of my house.

I'll go back to my old bulbs.

Anyone else not using these CFI's?

Moral of the story: Have Ceiling Fans and all Lighting Fixtures properly installed before use.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Moral of the story: Have Ceiling Fans and all Lighting Fixtures properly installed before use.

*warily eyeing ceiling fan above my head*

Mornin' Lou :hug:

[birddog1]

Wife was cooking dinner this evening when I heard a crash in the kitchen.

Long story short, a ceiling fan which was installed improperly became unseated from the roof and fell to the floor, shattering the 6 CFI light bulbs my wife insisted we start using.

I remembered reading something about the bulbs being hazardous and had her leave the room while I looked up the 'proper' cleanup methods on the internet.

Open all of the windows.
Turn the AC off.
Air out the room.
Don't use a broom or vaccum....

... plastic bag shoes and use cardboard/paper to lift the debris and paper towels with gloves to get everything else.

Disposal is even more of a chore.

A 5 minute cleanup turned into a 2 hour hazmat drill.

Never again. Every one of these things is out of my house.

I'll go back to my old bulbs.

Anyone else not using these CFI's?

In my experience they are a lot harder to break than a traditional bulb. I was installing a new ceiling fan last week and dropped one off the top of a ladder and it didn't break, just landed with a hard thud and rolled across the floor.

I have a strong feeling that due to our sue happy culture the health hazard of those bulbs is grossly exaggerated. I have a hard time believing that they are any more hazardous than the traditional florescent bulbs that have been around for decades and we never hear any uproar over them.

[Gunslinger]

Moral of the story: Have Ceiling Fans and all Lighting Fixtures properly installed before use.

When we bought our house almost 2 years ago, this fan was already in place and aside from using it as a 'light' in the kitchen, it was never rotated (turned on).

After inspection, the previous home owners basically just screwed it into the electrical box in the roof.

That's it. They just screwed it in.

No lug bolt, washer or any other form of attachment.

:wall:

[LouC]

*warily eyeing ceiling fan above my head*

Mornin' Lou :hug:

Morning Emma :hug:

People, some, are overly fixating on CFL's which is understandable considering the political climate.

Doesn't mean I think it is right to do so.

Fluorescent tube lighting in your office and in many homes, in kitchens under cabinets, or as shop and work room lights all have Mercury in them as well, and have the same clean up process as the CFL's.

Some of the older Mercury switch wall thermostats have more Mercury in them than 600 CFL bulbs.

Best advice, if you don't want to use them, then don't.

Beyond that make certain you aren't using them in improperly installed fixtures if you do plan to use them.

[MrShotShot]

I converted most of my house over to CFLs two years ago - with the exception of some of the dimmable switches and outdoor fixtures.

Here are my observations:

-The stated lifetime of the bulbs is a crock. I've had 30% fail since installation. I take a sharpie and note the install date on each one.

-I actually prefer the light quality over tradiational bulbs. I know that most don't, but I like it.

-To me, the biggest advantage is the lack of heat the bulbs give off compared to traditional bulbs. This is very much welcomed in places like bathrooms.

-As far as cleanup goes, as was stated above, it's no different than traditional flourescent tubes that we've been using for decades.

All in all, I'm pleased with them in general, but they don't quite live up to the hype.

[Apatriot]

I prefer the CFLs. They last forever.

I agree. I had one fixture that was taking a bulb a year. Since I put in the CFL almost 3 yrs ago, I haven't had to change that bulb. I'm exchanging all my bulbs for CFLs as they die. I haven't replaced a CFL yet in the 3 yrs since I started exchanging them.

I agree in terms of the mercury. While I'm not going to let the kids help clean them up, I'm not going to put on the hazmat suit either.

If I were gunslinger, I'd be mad at whoever installed the fan. If someone had been in the room, that would have really hurt someone.

[gdoane]

I think the mercury danger is a bit overrated, kind of like lead paint. It's not like you're going to eat the stuff.

I find CFL lights to be nearly useless in my home application because I have an X10 automated house lighting system.

Of the 25 lighting fixtures in my house, 15 of them are capable of X10 dimming. You can't use dimmers with CFL light bulbs. That's 60% of my lighting which has adjustable brightness and cannot use CFL.

Of the remaining 10 fixtures, 2 are in bathrooms which need good, natural lighting for grooming and personal care. The blue-shifted cold lighting of CFL is less than ideal for such purposes, leaving 8 fixtures which I might consider CFL.

The workshop requires precision work with power tools and brilliant, accurate lighting. Again, CFL does not do the job. Scratch another two fixtures leaving 6 fixtures which I might consider for CFL.

The walk-in closets for choosing my outfits require color accuracy and the cold, harsh blue-shifted and red-depleted so-called "white" light of CFL does not perform accurate color presentation. Scratch another two fixtures leaving 4 fixtures I might consider for CFL.

That would be my pantry, my storage shed, my kitchen and my porch light. None of which are on often enough to realize any significant money savings from the vaunted energy miser capabilities of the ugly lighting from the CFL. My porch light is motion sensor activated, my kitchen doesn't get used much (if you'd eat my cooking you'd know why), and storage areas are just that, they're on and off for getting in and out.

CFL's are practically useless to me. They're only viable in 16% of my lighting fixtures and those fixtures combined account for less than 5% of my daily lighting use.

I'm not buying the stupid things and pretending I'm saving the environment by making my home unliveable. CFL's are not practical devices. They're like buying a Prius and pretending you own a real car.

[LouC]

I converted most of my house over to CFLs two years ago - with the exception of some of the dimmable switches and outdoor fixtures.

Here are my observations:

-The stated lifetime of the bulbs is a crock. I've had 30% fail since installation. I take a sharpie and note the install date on each one.

-I actually prefer the light quality over tradiational bulbs. I know that most don't, but I like it.

-To me, the biggest advantage is the lack of heat the bulbs give off compared to traditional bulbs. This is very much welcomed in places like bathrooms.

-As far as cleanup goes, as was stated above, it's no different than traditional flourescent tubes that we've been using for decades.

All in all, I'm pleased with them in general, but they don't quite live up to the hype.

-The stated lifetime of the bulbs is a crock. I've had 30% fail since installation. I take a sharpie and note the install date on each one.

The stated lifetime is an average bulb life.

Your bulbs life may not be average from day one.

Excessive cycling is a definite life shortening factor.

Bad wiring is a very big bulb life shortening factor.

[birddog1]

I think the mercury danger is a bit overrated, kind of like lead paint. It's not like you're going to eat the stuff.

I find CFL lights to be nearly useless in my home application because I have an X10 automated house lighting system.

Of the 25 lighting fixtures in my house, 15 of them are capable of X10 dimming. You can't use dimmers with CFL light bulbs. That's 60% of my lighting which has adjustable brightness and cannot use CFL.

Of the remaining 10 fixtures, 2 are in bathrooms which need good, natural lighting for grooming and personal care. The blue-shifted cold lighting of CFL is less than ideal for such purposes, leaving 8 fixtures which I might consider CFL.

The workshop requires precision work with power tools and brilliant, accurate lighting. Again, CFL does not do the job. Scratch another two fixtures leaving 6 fixtures which I might consider for CFL.

The walk-in closets for choosing my outfits require color accuracy and the cold, harsh blue-shifted and red-depleted so-called "white" light of CFL does not perform accurate color presentation. Scratch another two fixtures leaving 4 fixtures I might consider for CFL.

That would be my pantry, my storage shed, my kitchen and my porch light. None of which are on often enough to realize any significant money savings from the vaunted energy miser capabilities of the ugly lighting from the CFL. My porch light is motion sensor activated, my kitchen doesn't get used much (if you'd eat my cooking you'd know why), and storage areas are just that, they're on and off for getting in and out.

CFL's are practically useless to me. They're only viable in 16% of my lighting fixtures and those fixtures combined account for less than 5% of my daily lighting use.

I'm not buying the stupid things and pretending I'm saving the environment by making my home unliveable. CFL's are not practical devices. They're like buying a Prius and pretending you own a real car.

I have no personal experience with them but I ran across a brand of CFls last week that claimed they were compatible with a dimmer.

[LouC]

I have no personal experience with them but I ran across a brand of CFls last week that claimed they were compatible with a dimmer.

Yes there are dimming friendly CFL's.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

The walk-in closets for choosing my outfits

I'm not sure why, but that made me giggle a bit. No offense :lol:

[jeepers]

I use both types. I prefer the lighting with old-fashioned bulbs. After much sterm and drang, I made DH change out the ceiling ones in the laundry area because I just couldn't SEE in the place.

I use them where I can, and where it doesn't work and I'm feeling like I've got a candle in a cave, I go with the regular ones. I've got older eyes and it's annoying to spend your life feeling like you're a mole in a hole.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

I use both types. I prefer the lighting with old-fashioned bulbs. After much sterm and drang, I made DH change out the ceiling ones in the laundry area because I just couldn't SEE in the place.

I use them where I can, and where it doesn't work and I'm feeling like I've got a candle in a cave, I go with the regular ones. I've got older eyes and it's annoying to spend your life feeling like you're a mole in a hole.

I'm glad it's not just me. I gotta have LIGHT lol.

Last night, me and the other nurse (who's a bit older than me) were checking blood; patient had only dim lights on in room, so as we're trying to read we're sloooowly backing up until we look up and find ourselves out in the hallway. :))

I need more carrots LOL

[gdoane]

I have no personal experience with them but I ran across a brand of CFls last week that claimed they were compatible with a dimmer.

Not an X10 Dimmer. Let me try to explain. Most dimmer switches work by varying the voltage, for example a 120 volt lamp through a standard dimmer gets 60 volts for half the brightness, but the voltage is still a sine wave at 60 Hz.

X10 and other electronic dimmers don't work that way. They chop the waveform, making it resemble a square wave more than a sine wave which will drive the electronics in a CFL nuts. The result is the same for an incandescent bulb, but for a bulb expecting pure sine wave, not so much.

Even worse, the fluorescent light ballasts in CFL's introduce electrical noise which can (and do) interfere with wiring signal devices like X10 and remote phone jacks which use electrical outlets.

CFL's are noisy little suckers too. I could show you with an audio amp hooked to an inductive pickup what they're doing and you'd hear the whine at 300 Hz. The real emission, the primary, is at 60 Hz but the human ear can't really hear below 300 Hz so what you hear is the FOUTH HARMONIC. Yep, the radiation is real and NASTY. You don't even need test equipment to prove it. Just take any portable AM radio, tune it to static off-station and wave it near the noisy bulb. VVVVVMMMMMTTTT!! VVVVVMMMMMTTTTT!!! That's RF radiation, interference actually and in a world where RF is a tool that includes your cell phone, your Wi-Fi, your car remote and your burglar alarm system, it's your enemy.

80% of surges and line noise generated in household wiring are caused by appliances and devices in the home. CFL's are reputed to make for a cleaner planet but they pollute the bejeepers out of your home electrical system.

[LouC]

I'm glad it's not just me. I gotta have LIGHT lol.

Last night, me and the other nurse (who's a bit older than me) were checking blood; patient had only dim lights on in room, so as we're trying to read we're sloooowly backing up until we look up and find ourselves out in the hallway. :))

I need more carrots LOL

I hate Nurses that come in a room and flip all the lights on at night then leave leaving them all on so I lie there in bed being blinded and incapable of going to sleep.

I literally had to shout at one Nurse on multiple occasions to come back and shut the frigging lights off. :snooty:

She and I also got into words over her perfume...

I am lying there literally near death with pneumonia and on oxygen having difficulty breathing and in she comes with knock a bull elephant down nasty perfume that instantly causes me more problems not to mention the horrible chemical taste it would leave in my mouth....

It was so bad I called the patient advocate office to see how I could get the problem addressed.

People who are not chemical sensitive are so insensitive and clueless, she took it personal and got in a huff cause I 'didn't like the smell", but it has nothing to do with the smell.

Oops I sort of went off here... :D

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

I hate Nurses that come in a room and flip all the lights on at night then leave leaving them all on so I lie there in bed being blinded and incapable of going to sleep.

I literally had to shout at one Nurse on multiple occasions to come back and shut the frigging lights off. :snooty:

She and I also got into words over her perfume...

I am lying there literally near death with pneumonia and on oxygen having difficulty breathing and in she comes with knock a bull elephant down nasty perfume that instantly causes me more problems not to mention the horrible chemical taste it would leave in my mouth....

It was so bad I called the patient advocate office to see how I could get the problem addressed.

People who are not chemical sensitive are so insensitive and clueless, she took it personal and got in a huff cause I 'didn't like the smell", but it has nothing to do with the smell.

Oops I sort of went off here... :D

Good for you.

For the record, I don't flip the lights on (I have reading glasses that work fine in low light, just didn't have them on at the time last night). The only time I do turn on the lights is if I'm starting an IV. I give warning, and most patients are happy to have me have a bit of light when I do that lol. And after I've given their HS meds, I go through and make sure lights are off and doors are closed. (unless, of course, they don't want that...)

Not sure what they teach in schools nowadays, but back in my day (sound like an old fart, eh?) we'd get our asses kicked into next week for wearing perfume. Every hospital I've worked has that spelled out in their dress code too. Seems she needed a refresher.

[Safiel]

When we bought our house almost 2 years ago, this fan was already in place and aside from using it as a 'light' in the kitchen, it was never rotated (turned on).

After inspection, the previous home owners basically just screwed it into the electrical box in the roof.

That's it. They just screwed it in.

No lug bolt, washer or any other form of attachment.

:wall:

I have done quite a few fan installations/repairs for people. The things I have seen defy belief.

The most common problem occurs in older homes. Houses that were built more than thirty years ago before ceiling fans became a common item. In most cases, the ceiling light fixtures are just that, ceiling LIGHT fixtures. They are not designed nor rated for either the weight of the fan or the stress of the fan turning. When I install or repair a fan for somebody, I insist the fixture be upgraded to ceiling fan grade.

Unfortunately, if your buying a house, the only way you can be sure is to take the whole fan down to check the fixture. Pain in the butt, but as was found out the hard way, is worth the trouble.

[gdoane]

I hate Nurses that come in a room and flip all the lights on at night then leave leaving them all on so I lie there in bed being blinded and incapable of going to sleep.

If I'm paying $600 per day to stay in a room then you'd better believe I'm turning EVERYTHING on. For that kind of money, I'm coming home with a SUNTAN!!

I literally had to shout at one Nurse on multiple occasions to come back and shut the frigging lights off. :snooty:

Word of advice: Never shout at people who can legally stick you with sharp objects. They can do things to you the CIA would be indicted for and get away with it.

She and I also got into words over her perfume...

I am lying there literally near death with pneumonia and on oxygen having difficulty breathing and in she comes with knock a bull elephant down nasty perfume that instantly causes me more problems not to mention the horrible chemical taste it would leave in my mouth....

Run a shift with a nurse and you might appreciate the fact that they don't come in smelling like they've been running laps because basically, they have. That's why they wear scrubs like the gym outfit of the hospital.

It was so bad I called the patient advocate office to see how I could get the problem addressed.

I didn't even know such a thing existed. "Patient Advocate Office"?? What the heck is that? The complaint department? Dude, if you're dealing with an "office" that starts out with a political correctness flavor from the very name, you're going to deal with liberals and get nothing good from it.

People who are not chemical sensitive are so insensitive and clueless, she took it personal and got in a huff cause I 'didn't like the smell", but it has nothing to do with the smell.

Oops I sort of went off here... :D

I have a sort of opposite take. If you have a "sensitivity" then it's YOUR obligation to deal with it, not anyone elses. If you're sensitive to light, then YOU buy the sunglasses. Your problems are your responsibility to deal with and expecting others to bow and scrape to deal with your issues is just flat out unreasonable.

[jeepers]

I'm glad it's not just me. I gotta have LIGHT lol.

Last night, me and the other nurse (who's a bit older than me) were checking blood; patient had only dim lights on in room, so as we're trying to read we're sloooowly backing up until we look up and find ourselves out in the hallway. :))

I need more carrots LOL


:))

Oh honey, even with bifocals I can be like WHA? Lights on, lights dim, glasses on, wait doesn't work, whip them off. ARGH.

You want me to find a small grease spot on a tiny navy blue tshirt in the dark so that I can spray it?

Screw the planet, turn on the STROBE!

:))

[jeepers]

In nursing school we're advised not to come into work smelling like the perfume counter at Macy's for exactly the reasons that Lou described. It's perfectly fine to use deoderant and that sort of thing, but excessive fragrance is frowned upon.

I also know what it's like to have pneumonia and have a reaction to perfume, and I'm not normally 'sensitive'. Mom sent me some handlotion as a gift at some point. I'm home, ill in bed and it's winter. The dry skin on my hands started to hurt. I get up, grab the stuff and put some on. It started a coughing fit that didn't stop until I washed the damn stuff off. I literally couldn't breathe.

As to overhead lights, that's a double edged sword. If you're 'assessing' a patient, sorry, the lights have to be on. I'm not going to see your oxygen starved blue lips in the dark. You don't, however, leave them on like it's an operating room, when you leave. I'm talking about non-critical patients, but that assessment has to happen at some point, because non-critical patients can sometimes go into distress and end up needing some time in the ICU.

But if you're just sliding in for some quick basic vital signs, etc, you can do it with soft side lighting and minimizing the disruption to sleep is important. When I did some nights, I would often just use the light from the hallway if that would work.

[LouC]

If I'm paying $600 per day to stay in a room then you'd better believe I'm turning EVERYTHING on. For that kind of money, I'm coming home with a SUNTAN!!

Good for you if that is what you choose to do.

When I am lying there recovering from nearly dying and trying to find a minute of sleep that hasn't come in days because of how sick I have been and some hospital staff leaves lights on that are glaring in my eyes and preventing me form getting that sleep I am going to raise a stink and not give a **** about having pasty white skin or well toned skin.

Word of advice: Never shout at people who can legally stick you with sharp objects. They can do things to you the CIA would be indicted for and get away with it.

Advice taken.

I would not have let her do more than take my vitals because it was obvious why she worked the graveyard shift.

Run a shift with a nurse and you might appreciate the fact that they don't come in smelling like they've been running laps because basically, they have. That's why they wear scrubs like the gym outfit of the hospital.

That is just stupid, makes no sense.

I didn't even know such a thing existed. "Patient Advocate Office"?? What the heck is that? The complaint department? Dude, if you're dealing with an "office" that starts out with a political correctness flavor from the very name, you're going to deal with liberals and get nothing good from it.

Well, your ignorance of the subject noted, it was beneficial to this Conservative to speak with the patient advocate, and the issues with the nurse were resolved by doing so when direct patient to nurse contact had not done so and when speaking to the nurse supervisor hadn't either.

The nurses behavior was interfering with patient care.

I have a sort of opposite take. If you have a "sensitivity" then it's YOUR obligation to deal with it, not anyone elses. If you're sensitive to light, then YOU buy the sunglasses. Your problems are your responsibility to deal with and expecting others to bow and scrape to deal with your issues is just flat out unreasonable.

Boy that would save lots of patient intake time, no more of those silly questions like "Are you allergic to any medications", the patients can just deal with any such issues themselves because it is their responsibility and thus their obligation.

Good for you having your own take.

A fairly idiotic one in my opinion.

But good for you.

I hope should you ever find yourself in an accident out on the highway or else where that you deal with it and don't expect EMT's or Police to handle your problems for you.

Cause your problems are your responsibility to deal with and expecting others to bow and scrape to deal with your issues is just flat out unreasonable.

[ChloeP]

Gunslinger...why do you want to destroy our planet?
Don' you love the Earth???















/sarcasm

[notluzn]

I love my CFI bulbs. Got them cheap and have out lasted all of my regular bulbs. I'm no hippie but a penny saved is a penny earned.

[Lego-Man]

I prefer the CFLs. They last forever.

They also produce headaches.

[Gunslinger]

Wifes looking at upgrading the fixture some time this week and just putting a functional light back in place of the fan.

It was more of an issue then she wants to deal with again and I absolutely hate fans. They dry out my eye balls...

:)

[gdoane]

Good for you if that is what you choose to do.

When I am lying there recovering from nearly dying and trying to find a minute of sleep that hasn't come in days because of how sick I have been and some hospital staff leaves lights on that are glaring in my eyes and preventing me form getting that sleep I am going to raise a stink and not give a **** about having pasty white skin or well toned skin.

My Uncle was just in a hospital a few months ago involving a heart bypass surgery and he had total 100% control of all room lighting from his bed. It's not exactly high tech to shut off a light remotely. Besides, I can sleep with lights on. It's not as if eyelids are the newest invention.

Advice taken.

I would not have let her do more than take my vitals because it was obvious why she worked the graveyard shift.

New Years Eve, 2008 found my girlfriend and I in St. Mary's Hospital, Grand Junction, CO following her Uncle's stroke. I met, first-hand, the "graveyard shift" of medical professionals and they were first-rate.

The night shift isn't where the rookies go. Supervisors don't assign that way. The day shift is where supervisors want people who need supervision. The better experienced people who don't need much supervision tend to wind up on the night shift because they do the job.

That is just stupid, makes no sense.

Cleanliness makes a lot of sense in a hospital, and stinking like a gym sock doesn't reflect cleanliness.


Well, your ignorance of the subject noted, it was beneficial to this Conservative to speak with the patient advocate, and the issues with the nurse were resolved by doing so when direct patient to nurse contact had not done so and when speaking to the nurse supervisor hadn't either.

I don't use mouthpieces, I can speak for my own self and I don't need any "advocate" to stand on my own two feet and speak my mind.

The nurses behavior was interfering with patient care.

Obviously not, since you weren't being ignored.


Boy that would save lots of patient intake time, no more of those silly questions like "Are you allergic to any medications", the patients can just deal with any such issues themselves because it is their responsibility and thus their obligation.

If a patient can answer questions like that, then it's not an emergency.

Good for you having your own take.

A fairly idiotic one in my opinion.

But good for you.

I'm not the one who didn't realize that eyelids are capable of blocking light. I think that might be idiotic too.

I hope should you ever find yourself in an accident out on the highway or else where that you deal with it and don't expect EMT's or Police to handle your problems for you.

I don't. I carry a first aid kit, a fire extinguisher and a .357 Magnum in my truck to deal with problems as they might arise. You wouldn't believe me if I told you what I know about 911 but suffice it to say that first response is way too damned slow. I can handle my problems faster than the 20 minutes it takes for an ambulance or a cop car to get to deal with the issue.

Cause your problems are your responsibility to deal with and expecting others to bow and scrape to deal with your issues is just flat out unreasonable.

They are. What don't you understand about that? Do you not own a fire extinguisher? Is your plan for a kitchen fire to dial 911 and hope that the truck comes fast enough to save your house? Is your plan for a car accident to hope to put on your seat belt in the 200 milliseconds before your head busts the windshield in a head-on crash?

I'm hardcore conservative and EVERY emergency is your responsibility. NO emergency is the responsibility of government.

Here's why:

People are everywhere. The government, by design, is not. I don't want a government to be everywhere dealing with all issues. Do you?

[LouC]

My Uncle was just in a hospital a few months ago involving a heart bypass surgery and he had total 100% control of all room lighting from his bed. It's not exactly high tech to shut off a light remotely. Besides, I can sleep with lights on. It's not as if eyelids are the newest invention.

Thanks for that irrelevant anecdote about your uncle having a remote to control all the lighting in his room.

Too bad he isn’t cut from the same strong cloth as you so he could have done his own bypass and not have to rely on others to deal with his responsibility.

Guess what, I was born with eyelids, I am well familiar with them since I have been using them for 52 years now.

Thanks for that irrelevant piece of personal trivia that you can sleep with the lights on.

New Years Eve, 2008 found my girlfriend and I in St. Mary's Hospital, Grand Junction, CO following her Uncle's stroke. I met, first-hand, the "graveyard shift" of medical professionals and they were first-rate.

The night shift isn't where the rookies go. Supervisors don't assign that way. The day shift is where supervisors want people who need supervision. The better experienced people who don't need much supervision tend to wind up on the night shift because they do the job.

Thanks for that unproven blanket opinion, when you have reviewed staffing decisions at the hospital I was in get back to me.

Cleanliness makes a lot of sense in a hospital, and stinking like a gym sock doesn't reflect cleanliness.

That statement doesn’t take the stupid or the nonsensical out of your original statement.

A nurse wearing overpowering perfume has nothing to do with a hospital being clean.

Body odor from her would have been much more preferable to the chemical fumes coming from what ever it was she dosed herself with before coming on shift.

I don't use mouthpieces, I can speak for my own self and I don't need any "advocate" to stand on my own two feet and speak my mind.

Guess you have never been in a position where speaking for yourself required “going up the line” of command or responsibility.

At each point in the process I spoke for myself, when that failed at that level I went to the next and continued speaking for myself until it was resolved.

Glad to know you have never had to take any issue to the "next" level.

Some people live charmed lives I guess.

Obviously not, since you weren't being ignored.

That is stupid.

Being ignored is not the only way a nurse can interfere with patient care.

If a patient can answer questions like that, then it's not an emergency.

More idiotic opinion.

Never mentioned an emergency for one thing, plus there are often times when a person in a hospital is not in a position to lucidly monitor the medications that they may be given.

I'm not the one who didn't realize that eyelids are capable of blocking light. I think that might be idiotic too.

No one, to my knowledge, didn’t realize that eyelids block light, to a degree that is.

Yes it would be idiotic for someone to not realize that.

I will keep that in mind for the chance that I run across such a person.

I don't. I carry a first aid kit, a fire extinguisher and a .357 Magnum in my truck to deal with problems as they might arise. You wouldn't believe me if I told you what I know about 911 but suffice it to say that first response is way too damned slow. I can handle my problems faster than the 20 minutes it takes for an ambulance or a cop car to get to deal with the issue.

Just curious, did you make your fire extinguisher, did you make your truck, did you make your gun, did you make the fuel in your truck or the ammo for your gun?

No?

Then you really are only dealing with “your” problems by the grace of others labor.

So much for Mr. Independent.

Congratulations for your bravado though in claiming to be independently prepared, nothing wrong with being prepared, prepared for most any situation that you are still conscious and physically able to deal with that is.

I really do pray that you are never in an emergency situation that you can’t handle on your own so all of that independent tough guy bravado doesn’t bite you in the ass.

They are. What don't you understand about that? Do you not own a fire extinguisher? Is your plan for a kitchen fire to dial 911 and hope that the truck comes fast enough to save your house? Is your plan for a car accident to hope to put on your seat belt in the 200 milliseconds before your head busts the windshield in a head-on crash?

I own fire extinguishers, I also know how to use them unlike most homeowners who have them.

I also own another tool to use in case of fire in my home, it is called a phone with 911 on speed dial.

I would do everything I could on my own to fight the fire but I would also utilize outside sources if they are available and I felt they were needed.

If I were building a house I would use every tool and resource I have available to do so, why wouldn‘t I do the same to try to save my house in an emergency.

My plans for a car crash are first trying to avoid them, second being as prepared as I can in case one can’t be avoided, that includes putting on belts before taking the car into traffic and not taking them off until I am parked again and leaving the car.

My plan also includes an emergency kit in the trunk.

But you know what?

I have had to call a tow truck because my problem went beyond my ability to fix and I had to bow and scrape and be unreasonable involving others in my responsibility.

I'm hardcore conservative and EVERY emergency is your responsibility. NO emergency is the responsibility of government.

Here's why:

People are everywhere. The government, by design, is not. I don't want a government to be everywhere dealing with all issues. Do you?

I have never said I want a government everywhere dealing with everything.

Never said emergencies are the sole responsibility of government Mr. Hardcore Conservative.

I will, figuratively speaking, reach for a branch hanging over the river I am being swept down despite the fact the branch might be connected to a tree on city property.

People are all over the place.

The fire department in town is staffed by people, fine people, the ambulance service the same, so is the local hospital for most conditions.

I will do as much as I can on my own but I will not eschew reaching out to others if I am not able to deal with "it" on my own.

[notluzn]

They also produce headaches.So does Alcohol. I've never gotten a headache from these bulbs. I got tired of replacing the standard buld every year.

I'm not saying that it should be manditory to have these CFI bulbs but why not try to save a tad bit money on replacing them. HomeDepot has great deals on them.

Also, I don't see people getting all upset when there are other newer product coming out. Don't you get tired of the older crap sometimes and want newer?

[MrShotShot]

So does Alcohol. I've never gotten a headache from these bulbs. I got tired of replacing the standard buld every year.

I'm not saying that it should be manditory to have these CFI bulbs but why not try to save a tad bit money on replacing them. HomeDepot has great deals on them.

Also, I don't see people getting all upset when there are other newer product coming out. Don't you get tired of the older crap sometimes and want newer?

Hey now, don't be getting all crazy with this technology stuff.

What was good enough for Thomas Edison is good enough for me.

[sironin]

They also produce headaches.

I usually get those when around any fluorescent that has a malfunctioning ballast. Generally a malfunctioning ballast was either poorly made or damaged by higher than expected variance in power supply than the engineer expected. This can sometimes be fixed by installing a power conditioner on the mains and replacing the damaged bulb. If the new bulb also starts flickering, it's time to try a different brand.

I personally have burnt out quite a few CFLs and some very expensive LED bulbs in finding out that the bulbs were ultimately not the problem. It was my wiring.

[historynut]

While compact fluorescent light bulbs do save energy and last longer there is one problem. The bulbs contain small amounts of mercury, a neurotoxin.

Mercury is a potent neurotoxin, and it's especially dangerous for children and fetuses.

To safely get rid of them people have to take them to a hazardous-waste collection day or a special facility. Most people just throw them in the trash which goes in landfill and then ends up in the groundwater.

[blackcatrun]

So does Alcohol. I've never gotten a headache from these bulbs. I got tired of replacing the standard buld every year.

I'm not saying that it should be manditory to have these CFI bulbs but why not try to save a tad bit money on replacing them. HomeDepot has great deals on them.

Also, I don't see people getting all upset when there are other newer product coming out. Don't you get tired of the older crap sometimes and want newer?

I dont mind replacing any bulbs that blow out.

I do mind the light and noise from the CFI bulbs.
I cant see well in the light from them and reading anything in the light they give off is a nightmare because I cant see anything in the room. I find trouble with depth perception in the light and was tripping over everything or dropping cups onto the floor because I couldn't tell distance.
I went to an eye doctor and he tells me that it's not uncommen that some peoples eye retna opens up so far that they cant focus in the light waves they give off. So distance is harder to gaudge.
The buzz sound they give off is strange, maybe it was the lamp the thing was in?