Will ObamaCare result in Euthanasia and killing of the old and sick?

[Jíbaro]

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Will ObamaCare result in Euthanasia and killing of the old and sick?

[CanadianJudo]

i realy thought people on this fourm had brains....

id like you to name alest 5 nations with free heathcare that have Euthanasia.

in the end i like the poster i find it funny :P

[BillBrown]

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Will ObamaCare result in Euthanasia and killing of the old and sick?

It's possible and not without historical parallel.

GOOGLE: "Life unworthy of life".
You'll see what I mean.

[Philibuster]

I know that some on the far left don't care much for humanity (they're destroying the planet). Plus, they've demonstrated this through their abortion stance. So I don't think the termination of the old and the sick would be a problem for these people. Not to mention all the money that could be saved, especially when you look at how many baby boomers are out there and just how long people live these days.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

No. The plan will be to withhold treatment so that they die a slow and painful death. That is better.

[Ninjacorpse]

I imagine age will play a factor in who gets what treatments.

[BillBrown]

I imagine age will play a factor in who gets what treatments.

Hillary's plan, back in 1993, had regional boards who evaluated people needing expensive care to see if they were worthy.
Her formula included age, income, record of community service...etc.

[ChrisSpencer]

It's possible and not without historical parallel.

GOOGLE: "Life unworthy of life".
You'll see what I mean.

So how does Obama's liberal idea of government sponsored health care equate to Nazi ideology?

[Let Freedom Reign]

I know that some on the far left don't care much for humanity (they're destroying the planet). Plus, they've demonstrated this through their abortion stance. So I don't think the termination of the old and the sick would be a problem for these people. Not to mention all the money that could be saved, especially when you look at how many baby boomers are out there and just how long people live these days.

Also, remember Terri Schiavo's case? It opened the door and since her death every health care provider encourages people to write a living will and sign a DNS (Do Not Resucitate) form when they go to the doctor, enter a hospital, or go for any medical treatment. Thanks Michael Schiavo.....and your crooked lawyer and doctors on the board of directors at her hospice. President Bush tried to stop it. president obama cheered it on; and I am not convinced did not have his grandmother 'taken care of' right before his election. 'It's better to give your mother pain killers than expensive surgery', Obama at his infomercial yesterday at All Obama Care (ABC)_.

[ChrisSpencer]

Hillary's plan, back in 1993, had regional boards who evaluated people needing expensive care to see if they were worthy.
Her formula included age, income, record of community service...etc.

The only way that Obama's supposed "competition" in the form of the Federal Government wouldn't drive out all private insurance companies is if the private plan had an income cap extremely low to qualify - we already have that, in the form of Medicaid.

Thus this issue is one of Medicaid reform, not one of a complete healthcare overhaul.

[Let Freedom Reign]

Hillary's plan, back in 1993, had regional boards who evaluated people needing expensive care to see if they were worthy.
Her formula included age, income, record of community service...etc.

Then when 'Hiliary Care' did not pass mustard; we still got a watered down version of National Health Care in the form of HMO's......a bunch of beaurocrats telling clinicians what tests they can or cannot run; what they will re-imburse. Doctors who did not pull the reign, got discarded from HMO primary care provider lists. Health care went down tremendously. If this bill passes you can forget healthcare. I long for the good old days of Blue Cross private insurance whereby you could choose your own primary care and specialist physicians and they would get paid according to their clinical assessment needs and not some government bearocratic, nonclinician may be having a bad day's judgement. Yaha!

[DRS]

i realy thought people on this fourm had brains....

id like you to name alest 5 nations with free heathcare that have Euthanasia.

in the end i like the poster i find it funny :P

You know how it is up here in Canada where we put the old and the sick on ice floes

Just down there all they will say when your denied care is

We decided it is time you go live with Jesus

[TexasGreatGranny]

Of course it will eventually. The elderly and severely disabled and anyone else they deem not worth the cost of treatment. Read the book "the party of death".

[Lawson_Raider]

Obama's radical liberal theology is the taking two principles of Marxism and Evolution and applying them in the strict manner of the code.

Evolutionary theory states, "The survivial of the fittest" and to such when a person is of no use to society and their health declines to the point where they become a burden on the system, then it is better to allocate the resources of the system to more fit and productive members of society.

In order to apply evolutionary theory in a society, Government must control all the resources - hence all the Government takeovers. Marxism and Darwinism share some resemblence in this sense.

This may have been said a zillion times over but I believe this just as much today as even before that the return of the Lord is nigh and at hand. Why? The Bible states that the same generation that witnesses the rebirth of Israel (May 14, 1948) will not pass away until all things are fulfilled. If you do the math, the youngest is 61 years old.

Given the pace in which the world events have been going in the past 15 years, it just feels to me that the endgame is fastly approaching.

[Talk2Bill]

rationing will lead to more deaths and slower innovation but not Euthanasia.

cap and tax will also cause the deaths of people.

But obama is more worried about his vision of a socialist utopia. Unless it is someone close to him...then he will do what he wants to do.

[HeadOnStraight]

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Will ObamaCare result in Euthanasia and killing of the old and sick?
"Shovel ready projects" planned for 0bama care?

I'm sure, just like his judges, 0bama wants doctors and health care providers with "empathy."

[NightTrain]

I'm lookin' forward to Soylent Green!

[Wakeupcall]

From Rush website;

Read carefully the part in RED. Here is Obamas' answer to limiting care according to what some government employee will be making the decision of what healthcare you will receive.

Also note that the president, congress and senate are left out of this program because their coverage paid for by you as a taxpayer is 100% and the very best available.

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A neurosurgeon asked Obama: "Okay, you've got the healthcare plan that you're going to prescribe for everybody else. Your wife or your daughter comes down with a major illness. Your plan goes through the diagnosis. And then you find out that there's some other doctor out there somewhere with another procedure and another form of treatment, another opinion, but your plan doesn't cover it. Are you going to stick with the plan you forced on everybody else, or are you going to use your wealth and go outside the plan to get the treatment for your wife and daughter that other people are not going to be able to do because they don't have the money?'' That's the question. He did not answer it. Obama: "You're absolutely right. That if it's my family member, uh, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care. But here's the problem that we have in our current healthcare system, is that there is a whole bunch of care that's being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier."

All he did there was admit: "Yeah, I want the best healthcare possible." Well, so the hell does everybody else! That wasn't the question. The question was: "Are you going to go outside the plan that you have prescribed for everybody?" See, the dirty little secret is he's going to be exempt from the plan, as are all members of Congress. The question was a good one: "Are you going to go outside the plan if you find a better doctor, better treatment that your plan doesn't cover?" "You're right. I'd go get the best care I could. I want the best care." Then comes this irrelevant, non sequitur answer: That we have a bunch of care that's being provided that may not be making us

[George Walton]

Will ObamaCare result in Euthanasia and killing of the old and sick?

Rationing health care, withholding medications, or withholding treatment that ultimately results in death, is euthanasia. This is the area where Obama will reduce the cost of health care. This is ObamaCare.

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[DRS]

I really should start bookmarking pages like these, that way as some poster get older and are still being cared for they have a book of these to read before going to see the doctor

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Rationing health care, withholding medications, or withholding treatment that ultimately results in death, is euthanasia.

No it isn't. And it happens now.

[msny]

i realy thought people on this fourm had brains....

id like you to name alest 5 nations with free heathcare that have Euthanasia.

in the end i like the poster i find it funny :P

Name one country other then ours with Barack Obama the proclaimed
Messiah in charge?

[EnchantedFrog]

As Obama's first choice for Health Czar, Tom Daschle, said:

Healthcare reform "will NOT be pain free." Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

Senior citizens (and everyone else) should be very wary of this administration's intentions.

[zantax]

This could never happen in America...

from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/americasfuture

Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care


PORTLAND, Ore. — Some terminally ill patients in Oregon (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/americasfuture#) who turned to their state for health care were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead, a proposal some experts have called a "chilling" corruption of medical ethics.


Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life. Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon's state-run health plan (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/americasfuture#) for help.
Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded to Stroup's request with a letter saying the state would not cover Stroup's pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost of physician-assisted suicide.


"It dropped my chin to the floor," Stroup told FOX News. "[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"


The letter, which has been sent to other terminal patients throughout Oregon, follows guidelines established by the state legislature.


Oregon doesn't cover life-prolonging treatment unless there is better than a 5 percent chance it will help the patients live for five more years — but it covers doctor-assisted suicide, defining it as a means of providing comfort, no different from hospice care or pain medication.



Or could it? Oops, looks like it already is.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Also, remember Terri Schiavo's case? It opened the door and since her death every health care provider encourages people to write a living will and sign a DNS (Do Not Resucitate) form when they go to the doctor, enter a hospital, or go for any medical treatment. Thanks Michael Schiavo.....and your crooked lawyer and doctors on the board of directors at her hospice.

Bull.

First of all, informing patients of advance directives was the law long before anyone ever heard of Terry Schiavo.

Second, a DNR is a physician order and yes, it's done with the consent of the patient, or the DPA or next of kin if the patient cannot speak for themselves. A DNR order may be rescinded at any time by the patient/DPA/Next of kin. An advance directive may or may not include a "living will" and/or designation of DPA(s). That's why it's called a directive.

Third, no one is forcing you to "write a living will". We ask if you have an advance directive, provide you information about it, answer your questions, and if necessary, consult someone to speak to you further, ONLY if you're interested and ONLY with your permission.

Certainly her case brought to the forefront the need for everyone to have an advance directive, but what you say here is false.

And yes, I said "need" and "everyone".

Everyone, regardless of age or health status, needs to have a directive.

[tobybear]

i realy thought people on this fourm had brains....

id like you to name alest 5 nations with free heathcare that have Euthanasia.

in the end i like the poster i find it funny :P


But Obamas Socialized Health, Infirmary, and Treatment Plan wont be like other countries!


Obamas **** Plan will be completely different than every other nations health care plan that Liberals claim is better than what the U.S. has now! :doh:

[Tulsa]

I wonder how many chemo treatments this guy could receive for the cost of a night out in NYC, or a family trip to Europe?

[Claymore]

Me and the Baby Seals are gonna start taking more vitamins.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

As Obama's first choice for Health Czar, Tom Daschle, said:

Healthcare reform "will NOT be pain free." Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

Senior citizens (and everyone else) should be very wary of this administration's intentions.

Oh boy!

I get to shoot this ******** down twice in one day!!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/apr/03/chain-email/daschle-didnt-say-seniors-seniors-should-accept-ra/

According to the e-mail (read the full text here ), Daschle was quoted in a Bloomberg story saying, "Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them."

We thought that sounded a bit impolitic, and fairly callous, for a former senator to say, and so we decided to check it out.

As with most e-mail claims, it starts with a grain of something.

Bloomberg did run a story about health provisions in the stimulus package on Feb. 9, 2009, under the headline "Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey." It was a commentary piece written by Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor of New York and an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.

McCaughey warned that the stimulus included several troublesome provisions identical to ideas outlined by Daschle in his 2008 book, Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis. Midway through the article, McCaughey includes this paragraph:

"Daschle says health care reform 'will not be pain-free.' Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt."

We contacted McCaughey to see which parts of this were her words and which were Daschle's.

The phrase that health care reform "will not be pain-free" is a direct quote from Daschle, she explained. She said the sentence beginning "Seniors should be more accepting" was her paraphrasing of an argument in Daschle's book in which he quotes David Mechanic, a health care policy expert at Rutgers University, saying, "more and more of what were once seen as social, behavioral, or normative aspects of every day life, or as a normal process of aging, are now framed in a medical context. ... Whether wrinkles, breasts, or buttocks, impotence or social anxieties, or inattention in school, they all have become grist for the medical mill."

We think it's a stretch to summarize Daschle's position as saying that seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. Not treating wrinkles is one thing. Not treating, say, heart disease, is another. But that's fair enough for McCaughey to opine. This is labeled an opinion piece. The point is that these are McCaughey's words, not Daschle's.

The last sentence, "That means the elderly will bear the brunt," was her conclusion, McCaughey said.

McCaughey said she is a meticulous scholar and "I regret any misrepresentations made by others of my work or Mr. Daschle's views."

Our efforts to reach Daschle for comment were not successful.

In the chain e-mail, quote marks are shifted, clouding the issue of who is actually speaking, and the e-mail suggests that Daschle actually said that.

The e-mail begins: "Apparently, seniors are expendable — treating us is not worth the expense (unless you're a congressman!).

Then later:

Tom Daschle was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement.

Bloomberg: "Daschle says health-care reform will not be pain free.
Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age
instead of treating them."

The e-mail ends, urging, "Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out. Talk it up at the grassroots level. We have an election coming up in one year and nine months. We have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make their lives miserable. Let’s do it!"

A few shifted quote marks make all the difference here. Instead of McCaughey's words, they become Daschle's. That kind of thing may have made for '70s sitcom gold, but here it just muddies the debate. We rule the claim in this e-mail False.

[dittoheadAZ]

i realy thought people on this fourm had brains....

or at least enough to be able to spell "really" and "forum"... ;)

[Save the Party]

Youth in Asia is not my problem

[Jíbaro]

As Obama's first choice for Health Czar, Tom Daschle, said:

Healthcare reform "will NOT be pain free." Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.

Senior citizens (and everyone else) should be very wary of this administration's intentions.

Socialism doesn't see any intrinsic difference between cattle and humans.

[GregMartin]

Any scum turd who is full of satan to the point where they will even entertain abortion at any time as acceptable, is rotten and demonic enough to accept the offing of gammy cuz she can't pay the medical bills.

[Mohawk5]

Nothing like abortions and putting old folks into homes with improper daycare to get a libs day started.

[Kentucky Thinker]

So how does Obama's liberal idea of government sponsored health care equate to Nazi ideology?

Totalitarians think alike.

[DRS]

Just took grandpa out back like Ol' Yellar cause that is the law in countries with socialized medicine

In fact pretty soon we are going to stop getting healthcare persion just kill people when they get sick, no need to pay taxes to help keep sick people alive and it is there own fault for getting sick.

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama and the AARP want fund Government Health Care by causing a massive die off in the elderly population.

It's just good fundamental economics.

[DRS]

I heard government run healthcare is just being introduced to get all Sean Hannity listeners and to take him off the radio :whistle: