Police Shoot Killer; Danville Residents Safe

[RogerDodger]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1028-Pet-News-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Police-justify-defend-fatal-shooting-killing-of-12pound-miniature-dachshund-VIDEO

Earlier this week, a police officer pulled into the cul-de-sac to serve two warrants to a neighbor. As the officer --- whose name the police department is refusing to release --- returned to his car, "he was surprised by a growling dog running through the yard directly at him from the rear, leaving him with just seconds to consider his options," reads the police statement.

Police Chief Broadstreet said the officer's options in that instance were to run to the squad car, distract the dog, or use pepper spray, his baton or his firearm.

After Killer, allegedly "lunged at the officer and attacked him," the officer decided to draw his gun and shoot the aging 12-pound mini dachshund. Apparently, the officer feared great bodily harm --- perhaps to his ankles.

Harper's children, who were inside the house, heard the gunshot and called their father, who raced home to find Killer laying on the ground "with his guts hanging out.“

According to NBC4i, the officer leaned against his patrol car, smoking a cigarette. He refused to give Harper his name and badge number and said "he had to shoot the dog because he was barking at him."

When the officer's supervisor arrived on the scene, the supervisor/lieutenant was very sorry. "“He kept apologizing," recalls Harper. "And he said I know apologizing can’t bring the dog back, but I just don’t know what to say.“

The Harpers remain devastated at the loss of the dog they have had and loved for 11 years. "He was a family member," says a bewildered and saddened Harper. "They took a family member away."



Do these dogs even have the ability to "lunge?" I'm sure the apologists will say this officer was in great fear for his life.

Perhaps mini dachshund attacks are prevalent in Virginia. :rolleyes:

[FidelisAdMortem]

No apologist here, but any officer with time on the job most likely will have an incident involving a dog. I have, mine was a pitbull though, in the city here in NY drug dealers love to have them, in regards to this incident, Id have to know what a dachshund is, honestly never heard of this dog, I dont know the ability of it.

[LouC]

No apologist here, but any officer with time on the job most likely will have an incident involving a dog. I have, mine was a pitbull though, in the city here in NY drug dealers love to have them, in regards to this incident, Id have to know what a dachshund is, honestly never heard of this dog, I dont know the ability of it.


"Shooting a dog which is actively presenting a threat to an officer is within the department's policy," states a press release issued by Danville Police Chief Phillip Broadfoot.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/dachshund.jpg

Wiener Dog.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Tough call. Ive never seen a hostile wiener dog. Then again, Ive been told by people I respect on this board who are experts in dogs, that no dog is predictable, so Im torn in my opinion here.

[LouC]

Tough call. Ive never seen a hostile wiener dog. Then again, Ive been told by people I respect on this board who are experts in dogs, that no dog is predictable, so Im torn in my opinion here.

Yes it is a tough call.

For one thing I have never seen a wiener dog let run loose, they are indoor house or fenced in yard dogs.

An aggressive 12 pound dog may sound like a laughable thing but how is he to know it isn't rabid.

No one would think twice if he shot a 3 pound skunk showing aggression.

I would say to the family if they get another dog to consider fence, leash, or keep the mutt inside.

[CaptainPike]

Those German weinershnitsels can never be trusted. Especially the mini ones!

[LouC]

Those German weinershnitsels can never be trusted. Especially the mini ones!

Moral of the story don't let your wiener dog hang out in public.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Sad though, that kind of dog looks like so cute.

Maybe it was rabid?

At this point we dont know why it was aggressive, if it was as reported.

[roger teekell]

Sad though, that kind of dog looks like so cute.

Maybe it was rabid?

At this point we dont know why it was aggressive, if it was as reported.

He could have jumped on the hood of his car and been out of reach..

But I don't want to say anything against the officer...

They have a tough job and risk their lives every day..

[LouC]

Always love these type stories where the family and others start condemning the officer for not "showing restraint" or not "acting more responsibly", yet the family are the ones who let their mutt run loose without restraint in an irresponsible manner.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Well that kind of attitude from a family that clearly let their dog out in an irresponsible manner shows me, this dog may have been aggressive and I side with the officer out of caution.

Reasonal responsible people do not act like this in regards to their pets.

[Army Wife]

Moral of the story don't let your wiener dog hang out in public.

:))
Ya just couldn't help yourself could you....

[LouC]

:))
Ya just couldn't help yourself could you....

Nope. :whistle:

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

No apologist here, but any officer with time on the job most likely will have an incident involving a dog. I have, mine was a pitbull though, in the city here in NY drug dealers love to have them, in regards to this incident, Id have to know what a dachshund is, honestly never heard of this dog, I dont know the ability of it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/debbie5942/hotdog11.jpg

[birddog1]

He could have jumped on the hood of his car and been out of reach..

But I don't want to say anything against the officer...

They have a tough job and risk their lives every day..

Just like any other profession their are some idiots that sneak their way in and this trigger happy individual seems to be one in my opinion. I think it shows a profound lack of good judgment to discharge a firearm in this situation and endanger others when it is doubtful that a mini wiener dog's mouth is even big enough to inflict a bite on a persons leg. Also it has been my experience that there are very few dogs out there that are actually intent on biting, given that it was the dogs home turf he was more than likely making a mock charge while barking.

I sure wouldn't want a guy that couldn't reason his way out of this situation on my home town police force as it seems he is prone to panicking under slight pressure.

[jeepers]

Neither the article nor the video attached explains why the cop was walking in the neighborhood in the first place.

Sounds cold to me. I'm an untrained, non-professional and if "Killer" started running towards me I probably would start talking to him like 'ooh tough guy, you hush!" and I'm not even a rabid dog lover, pardon the pun.

I could grab his collar and hold him at bay without effort. 11 pounds? He'll, I can hold a tantruming three year old, I can hold a dog that weighs as much as a sack of flour.

Something sounds wrong with this story.

[bella-day]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1028-Pet-News-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Police-justify-defend-fatal-shooting-killing-of-12pound-miniature-dachshund-VIDEO



Do these dogs even have the ability to "lunge?" I'm sure the apologists will say this officer was in great fear for his life.

Perhaps mini dachshund attacks are prevalent in Virginia. :rolleyes:


Lunge in this case would most likely be a relative term. I'm sure the officer thought it sounded really good at the time.;)

There were other options available to the idiot. He could have walked briskly to the car. A mini dachshunds legs are so short that even with them running full steam ahead an adult human would be able to out-walk them.

Or he could have just kicked the dog out of the way.

Maybe he needed to exert his manhood?

Or could it be that he's just not good at making decisions on the fly?

It does sound like someone that the department needs to take a hard look at and decide if this wimp is really police officer material.

[bella-day]

Well that kind of attitude from a family that clearly let their dog out in an irresponsible manner shows me, this dog may have been aggressive and I side with the officer out of caution.

Reasonal responsible people do not act like this in regards to their pets.

Oh FAM, you really should have done a minimum amount of research to find out what a mini dachshund is before making this statement.

You would have a better chance of being maimed by a tea cup chihuahua.

Responsible police officers do not wimp out and kill an 11 lb. dog with legs that may measure 2 1/2" in length on a good day and then try to pretend their life was in danger.:rolleyes:

There are idiots and wimps in every profession. It would do you a world of good to recognize that fact instead of making excuses when something is posted about one that happens to work in your field of endeavor.

[bella-day]

At 11 lbs., the poor little thing most likely was unable to charge...waddle while barking maybe...but charge? The poor thing's belly most likely dragged the ground as it walked.

[neoINDIE]

Oh FAM, you really should have done a minimum amount of research to find out what a mini dachshund is before making this statement.

You would have a better chance of being maimed by a tea cup chihuahua.

Responsible police officers do not wimp out and kill an 11 lb. dog with legs that may measure 2 1/2" in length on a good day and then try to pretend their life was in danger.:rolleyes:

There are idiots and wimps in every profession. It would do you a world of good to recognize that fact instead of making excuses when something is posted about one that happens to work in your field of endeavor.

You'd probably understand better if people were constantly attacking your profession, usually without having much of the story.

Especially with the **** you put up with from people. Nobody is ever at fault for ANYTHING.

[birddog1]

You'd probably understand better if people were constantly attacking your profession, usually without having much of the story.

Especially with the **** you put up with from people. Nobody is ever at fault for ANYTHING.

That works both ways, it doesn't help the matter when people in the profession rush to support people like the one referenced in the OP simply because they wear a badge also.

While the people certainly should have kept their dog confined, this guy clearly over reacted. He did the equivalent of swatting a fly with a 12 gauge.

[NascarGirl2448]

This cop obviously overreacted. All a dachsund will do is bark their heads off. A friend of mine has two dachsunds and they are the biggest babies in the world. If this cop felt threatened by a dachsund, it makes me wonder how that cop would react against a real threat. The worst thing a dachsund would do is chase the car and bark. And yes people should keep their dogs controlled, but honestly, in a residential neighborhood, dogs running loose is a common sight.

[neoINDIE]

That works both ways, it doesn't help the matter when people in the profession rush to support people like the one referenced in the OP simply because they wear a badge also.

While the people certainly should have kept their dog confined, this guy clearly over reacted. He did the equivalent of swatting a fly with a 12 gauge.

Like I said.

[NascarGirl2448]

Like I said.

So you support your fellow cops right or wrong? That's what scares some people about law enforcement officers, I think. They always seem to know how to cover something up. Why do you think that ex-cop in Illinois (Drew Peterson) got away with murder for so long? Remember how they had ruled his 3rd wife's death an accident and only recently changed it to murder?

I know a lot of people in my neck of the woods DON'T support this puppy killer who ordinarily DO support the police. I live close enough to Danville Virginia that they are part of the same coverage area by the local news stations as my hometown is, even though I live in the southern part of the coverage area. It was a heavily commented on story and the overwhelming response was that this cop should not have murdered this little puppy.

[bella-day]

You'd probably understand better if people were constantly attacking your profession, usually without having much of the story.

Especially with the **** you put up with from people. Nobody is ever at fault for ANYTHING.


You do know what it is I do for living don't you?:))

I teach for a local college...you think your profession is attacked?:whistle:

But you know what? When there is a story about a teacher cramming their personal politics down the collective throats of a captive audience I do not rush to try to figure out a way to validate their clear abuse of power.

This little dog could not have done this man harm. If the owner broke local leash laws by allowing their dog to run free on their property...he should have done what it was his job description called for him to do...issue a citation for it.

But don't murder a pup that poses you no real harm and expect everyone to think you did it for any other reason than...you felt you would be able to get by with it.

[neoINDIE]

You do know what it is I do for living don't you?:))

I teach for a local college...you think your profession is attacked?:whistle:

But you know what? When there is a story about a teacher cramming their personal politics down the collective throats of a captive audience I do not rush to try to figure out a way to validate their clear abuse of power.

This little dog could not have done this man harm. If the owner broke local leash laws by allowing their dog to run free on their property...he should have done what it was his job description called for him to do...issue a citation for it.

But don't murder a pup that poses you no real harm and expect everyone to think you did it for any other reason than...you felt you would be able to get by with it.

Sorry, teachers are nowhere near as attacked as cops. And what cops put up with on a daily basis doesn't compare to what a teacher puts up with. Maybe if you taught 3rd grade, but...

[neoINDIE]

So you support your fellow cops right or wrong? That's what scares some people about law enforcement officers, I think. They always seem to know how to cover something up. Why do you think that ex-cop in Illinois (Drew Peterson) got away with murder for so long? Remember how they had ruled his 3rd wife's death an accident and only recently changed it to murder?

I know a lot of people in my neck of the woods DON'T support this puppy killer who ordinarily DO support the police. I live close enough to Danville Virginia that they are part of the same coverage area by the local news stations as my hometown is, even though I live in the southern part of the coverage area. It was a heavily commented on story and the overwhelming response was that this cop should not have murdered this little puppy.

Nope.

All I am saying is most of these threads are based on articles that are blatantly one sided. Almost never do they present the officers side of the story. And almost never is there ever any follow up done by the OP to find out the results of the investigation. When the cops are cleared, you'll never find a retraction. Most people have no idea what cops go through, nor do they give a **** to find out.

Was this wrong? Yeah, but the point if what I said still stands.

[RogerDodger]

You'd probably understand better if people were constantly attacking your profession, usually without having much of the story.

Especially with the **** you put up with from people. Nobody is ever at fault for ANYTHING.

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

[bella-day]

Sorry, teachers are nowhere near as attacked as cops. And what cops put up with on a daily basis doesn't compare to what a teacher puts up with. Maybe if you taught 3rd grade, but...


You are right.

I understand why some police officers feel compelled to try to validate the actions of one who is clearly in the wrong.

No doubt that approaching the situation with a less than honest assessment is most likely the best road to follow.

I'll remember that when some idiot on the forum makes remarks like...those who can do...etc., etc., etc.

BTW, I was not comparing working conditions. I suppose you jumped to quickly to understand that fine point. You made a statement about how your profession is attacked on the forum. I simply tried to point out...yours is not the only one.

Sorry if that offended you. That was not my intent.

So...do you come from the school of thought that says no matter what a police officer does they are in the right...simply because they are a police officer?

Sorry, I have no problem throwing the trash that does enter into my profession right under the bus. I come from the standpoint that integrity, and professionalism is far more important than shear numbers.

Maybe you have a different standard?:confused:

[neoINDIE]

I understand why some police officers feel compelled to try to validate the actions of one who is clearly in the wrong.

Some do this, yes. But most just want the full story, and for the cop to get at least some benefit of the doubt.


BTW, I was not comparing working conditions. I suppose you jumped to quickly to understand that fine point. You made a statement about how your profession is attacked on the forum. I simply tried to point out...yours is not the only one.

Sorry if that offended you. That was not my intent.

Not offended. It takes a lot more than that ;)

So...do you come from the school of thought that says no matter what a police officer does they are in the right...simply because they are a police officer?

Absolutely not. I have only been a cop for 2 years. I was an engineer for 12 before that. I had bad experiences with cops, just like everyone else, and I remember those. That will never be me.

Sorry, I have no problem throwing the trash that does enter into my profession right under the bus. I come from the standpoint that integrity, and professionalism is far more important than shear numbers.

Maybe you have a different standard?:confused:

Actually I am from the school of thought that cops should be held to a higher standard. It goes along with the job.

Again, my point is these threads get tedious. Maybe we overreact. But rarely do these articles even come close to telling both sides of the story.

[neoINDIE]

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

nana nana boo boo.

[RogerDodger]

But rarely do these articles even come close to telling both sides of the story.

What do you think the other side to this story is?

[neoINDIE]

What do you think the other side to this story is?

How should I know? I wasn't there. Were you?

Or do you care?

FYI - in case you haven't figured it out, I am speaking more in general than specifically about this story. Not sure if you picked up on that or not.

[bella-day]

Some do this, yes. But most just want the full story, and for the cop to get at least some benefit of the doubt.




Not offended. It takes a lot more than that ;)



Absolutely not. I have only been a cop for 2 years. I was an engineer for 12 before that. I had bad experiences with cops, just like everyone else, and I remember those. That will never be me.

Ha! You and I started in the same place (engineering) and ended up in radically different fields. Interesting...I would suspect you are a very good police officer. The reason I say that is because I suspect you chose the path because it ended with a profession you loved and respected.

I could be projecting. That is the reason I chose to teach.;)


Actually I am from the school of thought that cops should be held to a higher standard. It goes along with the job.

Something else we have in common. I hold teachers to much higher standard. I feel they hold a great deal of responsiblity not only to the students before them but also the community they serve.

Again, my point is these threads get tedious. Maybe we overreact. But rarely do these articles even come close to telling both sides of the story.

Kind of hard to spin a story to make it sound as if this officer could have actually feared for his life considering the kind of dog we are discussing.

Remember earlier in the thread I made the comment that the little guy's belly was probably dragging the ground? I was right. I found a video report on the incident and it includes pictures of Killer. Check out the last few seconds of this video I'm going to link. It shows a side shot of Killer...he belly drags the ground.

This little guy could not have managed much more than a brisk waddle at best....

Link to video and print story of the incident. (http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/article/DOGGAT11_20090611-071201/273228/)

[FidelisAdMortem]

Oh FAM, you really should have done a minimum amount of research to find out what a mini dachshund is before making this statement.

You would have a better chance of being maimed by a tea cup chihuahua.

Responsible police officers do not wimp out and kill an 11 lb. dog with legs that may measure 2 1/2" in length on a good day and then try to pretend their life was in danger.:rolleyes:

There are idiots and wimps in every profession. It would do you a world of good to recognize that fact instead of making excuses when something is posted about one that happens to work in your field of endeavor.

Oh Bella how you pick and choose what to response to. Look at my posts prior to that one on page one in this thread. Thanks, come again.

[bella-day]

Oh Bella how you pick and choose what to response to. Look at my posts prior to that one on page one in this thread. Thanks, come again.


I didn't pick and choose. I responded appropriately to a post that was admittedly posted without any knowledge of just what kind of dog was being discussed. Miniature dachshunds do not compare to pit bulls...would you defend a brother in blue that decided to shoot a tea cup chihuahua and then tried to validate his stupidity by claiming he feared for his life? That would be a valid comparison...although a tea cup chihuahua would be able to run instead of doing a brisk waddle.

Like I said...it would have been a good idea to do a minimum amount of research (shouldn't have taken more than a couple of seconds to google miniature dachshund) before deciding to defend this guy.

Thanks, come again.

[neoINDIE]

Kind of hard to spin a story to make it sound as if this officer could have actually feared for his life considering the kind of dog we are discussing.

[/URL]

I know it looks that way. Maybe the story tells the whole story. However, I have seen some pretty good looking stories fall apart when you hear the other half.

Like I said, though, my comments are more in general and not specifically about this incident, and why we react the way we do.

I was involved in the myspace discussion forums for awhile (God knows why) and saw this over and over - people just looking for any reason to bash cops. (I'm not saying that is what you are doing)

[bella-day]

I know it looks that way. Maybe the story tells the whole story. However, I have seen some pretty good looking stories fall apart when you hear the other half.

Like I said, though, my comments are more in general and not specifically about this incident, and why we react the way we do.

I was involved in the myspace discussion forums for awhile (God knows why) and saw this over and over - people just looking for any reason to bash cops. (I'm not saying that is what you are doing)


No, not at all. Even FAM would have to admit that I've very supportive of the police departments in general. My posting history would only go to back up that assertion. I see you guys as a very important part of the mechanism that keeps us safe in this country.

But I'm not one to attempt to spin a story when it is very obvious that it's about a bad apple.

Like I stated early into this thread...there are idiots and wimps in every profession. Trying to pretend that that was not an honest statement doesn't fool anyone.

Trying to defend an idiot or wimp that happens to be in one's own profession does not elevate that profession at all...it does tend to make the poster look...well...far less than honest.

[penner01]

Moral of the story don't let your wiener dog hang out in public.did you just say something indecent? :))

[uncledoom]

I'm thinking the dog kept this guy up at night with the constant baring at 3am....got his chance to silence the problem.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I didn't pick and choose. I responded appropriately to a post that was admittedly posted without any knowledge of just what kind of dog was being discussed. Miniature dachshunds do not compare to pit bulls...would you defend a brother in blue that decided to shoot a tea cup chihuahua and then tried to validate his stupidity by claiming he feared for his life? That would be a valid comparison...although a tea cup chihuahua would be able to run instead of doing a brisk waddle.

Like I said...it would have been a good idea to do a minimum amount of research (shouldn't have taken more than a couple of seconds to google miniature dachshund) before deciding to defend this guy.

Thanks, come again.

Obviously if you would have read the previous posts I created, I admitted I didnt know that type of dog. A few posters educated me, I then gave my opinion on page 1, then responded on page 2 how I could see the other side.

Thanks, come again, DUH!