Shooting at Army recruiting office in Little Rock

[ModerateVoice]

Fox News is reporting that two Army recruiters were shot while standing outside a Little Rock recruiting station by someone in a black SUV....apparently, the police do have a suspect in custody.

........this was just reported as Breaking News, so these are the only details Fox has reported thus far.

[ValricoKate]

I hope they are going to be ok

[ValricoKate]

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html

looks like they have someone in custody.

One person is in custody, and two others have been transported to a local hospital in serious condition following a double-shooting in west Little Rock Monday morning.

Authorities say the incident occurred around 10:00 a.m. at the U.S. Army Navy Career Center at 9112 North Rodney Parham Road. According to Lt. Terry Hastings with the Little Rock Police Department, two recruiting officers standing outside the office were hit when the unidentified suspect drove up in a black SUV and began shooting.

The suspect led police on a brief pursuit towards downtown Little Rock before being taken into custody in the area of the Interstate 30/630 interchange.

According to the Little Rock Fire Department, a bomb squad is currently on the scene, checking out a suspicious package inside the suspect's vehicle.

[Cav Scout]

Scum bag.

[ValricoKate]

Evidently it was in a shopping center.
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=85963&catid=2

[ModerateVoice]

It will be interesting to find out the motivation behind these attacks......

[MrShotShot]

Fox News is reporting that two Army recruiters were shot while standing outside a Little Rock recruiting station by someone in a black SUV....apparently, the police do have a suspect in custody.

........this was just reported as Breaking News, so these are the only details Fox has reported thus far.

So will we be seeing the following headlines:

Anti-war protestors turn violent

Militan anti-war protestors murder soldiers

etc.

After all, since the media is painting the entire pro-life movement as militant murderers because of the actions of one individual, can we assume they will be doing the same with the anti-war types?

[bigtwnvin]

"Black SUV" :think:
Gang banging Mo-Mo's? The CIA? "Right Wing Extremists"
Low life scum whoever it is.

[JudasGoat]

it's a shame our soldiers aren't safe on their own soil.

this piece of crap deserves some hard justice.

[Cav Scout]

This has happened before. The Recuiter I replaced in Illinois had been shot in a drive by shooting in Chicago. That was in 96.

[wildcat87]

My prayers are with the victims and their families

[GA_LP]

The news is reporting that one of the recruiters has died. This really hacks me off, especially if I find out these guys were combat vets.

[Cav Scout]

The news is reporting that one of the recruiters has died. This really hacks me off, especially if I find out these guys were combat vets.

Oh damn.

Hey, if you can follow this and if there is fund or whatever post it will you? I do not get much news here at work and we are going to be traveling again here in the next few days.

[goodlife]

The question here is the motive...Was this just a random act of violence or were they targeted because of who they are - military men in uniforms standing outside of a recruitment office?

[ValricoKate]

The news is reporting that one of the recruiters has died. This really hacks me off, especially if I find out these guys were combat vets.

God bless him and his family.
Prayers for the other victim and his family too.

[goeagles]

Fox News is reporting that two Army recruiters were shot while standing outside a Little Rock recruiting station by someone in a black SUV....apparently, the police do have a suspect in custody.

........this was just reported as Breaking News, so these are the only details Fox has reported thus far.
Awful.
Prayers for their full recovery.

Edit: Just saw Kate's post.
God rest him, and comfort his family.

[ValricoKate]

Oh damn.

Hey, if you can follow this and if there is fund or whatever post it will you? I do not get much news here at work and we are going to be traveling again here in the next few days.

The link I posted before is updating the story as it comes in.
http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html

[Gengar]

Ugh...

Picture of the suspect btw:

http://www.acc-tv.com/images/katv/news/shooting_060109_suspect.jpg

[Dr BloodMoney]

They were not even full time recruiters, they were part of a program called "hometown recruiters" returning Vets help out the regular recruiters by going to various areas and talking about their military career etc......

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html

According to Army Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis, the two victims were not recruiters, but part of a recruiting program called "Hometown Recruiting Assistance." Artis says recruiters use soldiers to tell their stories and talk to potential recruits while they are visiting or based back in their home region.

Artis says both soldiers had been previously deployed to either Iraq (web (http://cfc.katv.com/externalwebsite.cfm?website=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html) | news (http://cfc.katv.com/mainsearch.cfm?s=key&k=iraq)) or Afghanistan, but couldn't offer any further details.Sad story.....

[ValricoKate]

They were not even full time recruiters, they were part of a program called "hometown recruiters" returning Vets help out the regular recruiters by going to various areas and talking about their military career etc......

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html

Sad story.....

Not that it makes it more sad that they weren't full time, but it definitely is more sad when you know more about them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Lucky for him he lives in America.

[Gengar]

Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

[Dr BloodMoney]

Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Why would they matter?

[Gengar]

Why would they matter?

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55362611&postcount=18

[Dr BloodMoney]

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55362611&postcount=18

So?

[kparra44]

Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Their presence will depend on the race of the guys that have been shot.

This whole thing is just heartbreaking.

[regretnothing]

So will we be seeing the following headlines:

Anti-war protestors turn violent

Militan anti-war protestors murder soldiers

etc.

After all, since the media is painting the entire pro-life movement as militant murderers because of the actions of one individual, can we assume they will be doing the same with the anti-war types?
I very highly doubt it, that would be a mark against the liberals (I know there are some conservatives against the war as well but the liberal party has made it very well known how they feel about the war).
It's sad that these men served overseas and were attacked and 1 killed on their own soil, in the country they risked their lives for defending. Whoever did this needs to burn! Anyone who attacks our military personnel should be labeled a terrorist and treated as such.

[ModerateVoice]

I think we should all refrain from making suppositions to the motivations of the killer until it is reported by the media.....there are about a hundred different reasons this moron attacked our two service men, and believe it or not, the reason may have nothing to do with politics or the war.

[kat]

Prayers and sympathies to the all involved. Tragic.

I'm with MV. I'll refrain from further comment until we get the facts.

[DaveKlassix]

I wonder (i'm not implying) if this is retalation to Tiller getting killed. Now will Holder send some Marshalls out to protect army recruitment centers like he did abortion clinics? I wonder if Obama will be "shocked and outraged" at this killing too?

[Cav Scout]

They were not even full time recruiters, they were part of a program called "hometown recruiters" returning Vets help out the regular recruiters by going to various areas and talking about their military career etc......

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0609/627959.html

Sad story.....

The HRP has been a very successful program, and has been used for quite some time now. Aside from it's normal aplication, It is a way for a commander to get a troop to his hometown if he does not have any leave or for some other reason, sort of an end run around emergency leave if the troop needs to go home, you can HRP them for two weeks and they are still on duty but home...
This really makes me mad now...

[Dr BloodMoney]

The HRP has been a very successful program, and has been used for quite some time now. Aside from it's normal aplication, It is a way for a commander to get a troop to his hometown if he does not have any leave or for some other reason, sort of an end run around emergency leave if the troop needs to go home, you can HRP them for two weeks and they are still on duty but home...
This really makes me mad now...

It also opens up the body of suspects to look at. Home town environment would include people that they had problems with in the past, instead of just kooks wanting to kill recruiters etc.....

[Mohawk5]

Unreal!

[Jagergeist]

I feel sorry for the guys. I thought seriously about taking a TDY slot as a recruiter in 1999. I talked to several recruiters who didn't like the job, one of the reasons being this fear. You have to deal with the fringe element who are bat**** crazy, obsessed with killing and guns, then think they should be welcomed into the military since they are Delta material (in their own minds). The recruiter has to be the POC to tell them to pound sand, and that can lead to a lot of stress.

[Dr BloodMoney]

More details and some changes. These were both brand new soldiers, just back from Basic. Assigned to the Recruiters for two weeks.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090601/ap_on_re_us/us_recruiters_shot

Lt. Col. Thomas F. Artis of the Oklahoma City Recruiting Battalion, which oversees the Little Rock office, said the victims had just completed basic training and were not regular recruiters. He said they were serving two weeks in the Little Rock office.
As part of the Hometown Recruiting Assistance Program, the soldiers were sent to "talk to friends, folks in the local area. They can show the example, 'Here's where I was, and here is where I am,'" Artis said.
Artis said neither of the soldiers had been deployed for combat.

[Cav Scout]

It also opens up the body of suspects to look at. Home town environment would include people that they had problems with in the past, instead of just kooks wanting to kill recruiters etc.....

Yes it does.

[Dr BloodMoney]

Yes it does.

Especially since it's two new\young soldiers. Success breeds jealousy.

[bigtwnvin]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\vince.JETBLAST1\Desktop\shooting_060109_s uspect.jpg

Better get fitted for body armor.

[Cav Scout]

I feel sorry for the guys. I thought seriously about taking a TDY slot as a recruiter in 1999. I talked to several recruiters who didn't like the job, one of the reasons being this fear. You have to deal with the fringe element who are bat**** crazy, obsessed with killing and guns, then think they should be welcomed into the military since they are Delta material (in their own minds). The recruiter has to be the POC to tell them to pound sand, and that can lead to a lot of stress.

My personal favorite when I was recruiting was the convicts that had seen 'Stripes' to many times and would show up and want you to put them in with their seven DUI's and twelve possesion charges...priceless.

[Cav Scout]

Especially since it's two new\young soldiers. Success breeds jealousy.

I do not know Little Rock at all, but it could also have been a 'blood out' thing...instead of joining the gang they joined the Army...or similar...
Either way it sucks and really tweeks me.

[Sneaky SF Dude]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\vince.JETBLAST1\Desktop\shooting_060109_s uspect.jpg

Better get fitted for body armor.

Issuing them weapons would be a better plan.

[regretnothing]

I'm sorry, I'm confused now. Were these 2 men new soldiers returning from basic or were they 2 vets that had been overseas? One post says Artis said they were new soldiers and then an older post says Artis said they were vets. Both were clips from a news article. Either way it doesn't matter, they were military men and this should not have happened, I'm just confused. Media does that alot, confuse me.:doh:

[Dr BloodMoney]

I'm sorry, I'm confused now. Were these 2 men new soldiers returning from basic or were they 2 vets that had been overseas? One post says Artis said they were new soldiers and then an older post says Artis said they were vets. Both were clips from a news article. Either way it doesn't matter, they were military men and this should not have happened, I'm just confused. Media does that alot, confuse me.:doh:

Confusion reins at the start of any such event. The latest timestamp on the articles has LTC Artis saying that they were just back from Basic. Might change again.....

[kparra44]

Here is the only video I could find and it was on CNN of all places.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/01/arkansas.recruiter.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

It looks like we need to start giving recruiters hazard pay. I also read somewhere that the shooter was believed to be muslum but didn't really think it credable. Could be someone just trying to stir things up.

[Antrel]

As someone already noted, they weren't even recruiters. They were two recent graduates on HRAP, something a lot of us do simply to be home for a couple weeks. A tragedy, I feel for the family and the recruiters of that office.

[kparra44]

^^No but if they were standing outside of a recruiting station they can easily be mistaken for recruiters. When I was in the Marine Corps we called this recruiters assistance.

It really doesn't matter if they were recruiters or not.

[bigtwnvin]

Issuing them weapons would be a better plan.
I meant the "suspect in custody".

[notluzn]

This is bad. I want to know motive and who they voted for.

Any more news on this?

[notluzn]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html
The victims — whose names have not been released — just completed basic training and were spending two weeks in Little Rock to recruit in their home area, according to authorities.

:(

[AZslim]

A shame. I hope they catch the moronic pieces of **** that did this.

[notluzn]

Bump

[roger teekell]

A shame. I hope they catch the moronic pieces of **** that did this.


They just did...


Shooter Identified as Black Muslim (Abdul Mohammad) in fatal drive by in shooting of Army Recruiter
Live KARK ^ | 01 JUN 09 | dcbryan1


Shooter identified himself as a muslim, Mr. Abdul Mohammad, formerly Mr. Bledsoe. previously of Memphis and Nashville.

Recently converted to Islam while in Prison.

Breaking live on LRPD press conference.

[XBlacklashX]

Yep Lou Dobbs was just talking about this.

The guy is a new Muslim who disagrees with US military action.

Lib and ACLU support incoming.

[ModerateVoice]

News sources are reporting that the suspect was targeting military but was not part of a broader scheme.

[scootr29]

Muslim kills military man....move on move nothing to see here....back page news:rolleyes:

I am praying for the victims and their families....

[ModerateVoice]

Muslim kills military man....move on move nothing to see here....back page news:rolleyes:

I am praying for the victims and their families....

Like another poster mentioned in a different thread in this topic, it will be very telling to see how the MSM covers this story vs. the murder of George Tiller.

[scootr29]

Like another poster mentioned in a different thread in this topic, it will be very telling to see how the MSM covers this story vs. the murder of George Tiller.

Who are you kidding? You and I know the answer to that. ****es me off.

[ModerateVoice]

Who are you kidding? You and I know the answer to that. ****es me off.

I am just refraining from being overt about my rage until MSM perverts the truth into some sickening abomination of the actual facts.

....something tells me the media will sink to a new low this week.

[scootr29]

I am just refraining from being overt about my rage until MSM perverts the truth into some sickening abomination of the actual facts.

....something tells me the media will sink to a new low this week.


It is buried on Drudge...can't imagine where the MSM will bury it.

[Tomcat]

It is buried on Drudge...can't imagine where the MSM will bury it.

I'm sure the MSM will get around to it.
They are diligently working to answer the great question troubling millions..."Does your chewing gum lose its' flavour on the bedpost overnight?"

[CommercialFishinGal]

OMG!!! This is horrible. Prayers to the family.

[mwevans1234]

I'm sure the MSM will get around to it.
They are diligently working to answer the great question troubling millions..."Does your chewing gum lose its' flavour on the bedpost overnight?"

Welp, it's the top headline on CNN.com (the big red one!), so I'd say that this appears to be a big story.

Here are the first 4 paragraphs:

(CNN) -- An Arkansas man was arrested Monday in connection with a shooting at a Little Rock military recruiting center that killed one soldier and wounded another, authorities said.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building.





While authorities continued to investigate a motive, Thomas said Muhammad is a Muslim convert and, based on preliminary interviews with him, investigators believe there were "political and religious motives" in the shooting.


Military officials initially believed the shooting was a random act, but Thomas said police believe the shooter acted alone "with the specific purpose of targeting military personnel."


Lovely - I'm a bit surprised - these guys are usually described somehow "with a history of mental problems".

[Tomcat]

Welp, it's the top headline on CNN.com (the big red one!), so I'd say that this appears to be a big story.

Here are the first 4 paragraphs:



Lovely - I'm a bit surprised - these guys are usually described somehow "with a history of mental problems".

I shall cautiously state that at this early juncture I am pleasantly shocked at CNN's response thus far.

[KyanWan]

More like it, insane person kills military officers.

I naturally thought at first, soon as I saw he attacked and targeted military - charge him with treason, execute him - make it swift. (and - put it in military hands for attacking their own.)

If the guy was insane -( sounds like he was. I'm talking mental hospital crazy, NOT "temporary insanity" - I don't buy that )-

that's a different story. I don't support killing insane people, or people with development disability.

The guy wasn't attended to properly. It's a shame. He shouldn't have been out on his own.

[Tomcat]

More like it, insane person kills military officers.

I naturally thought at first, soon as I saw he attacked and targeted military - charge him with treason, execute him - make it swift.

If the guy was insane -( sounds like he was. I'm talking mental hospital crazy, NOT "temporary insanity" - I don't buy that )-

that's a different story. I don't support killing insane people, or people with development disability.

The guy wasn't attended to properly. It's a shame. He shouldn't have been out on his own.


Perfect, you have it down pat.
Where did you get your journalism degree?:))

[avergbear]

"Black SUV" :think:
Gang banging Mo-Mo's? The CIA? "Right Wing Extremists"
Low life scum whoever it is.

"Police arrested Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, along a crosstown interstate moments after the shootings at the Army-Navy Career Center in a shopping center in west Little Rock. "

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98I6F4G0&show_article=1

Looks like it was another Muslim Terrorist.

[avergbear]

A U.S. Soldier was shot and killed by a newly converted Muslim Terrorist, yet all the Liberals can talk about is the murdered Abortion Doctor.

Another example of selective Liberal outrage.

[KyanWan]

Perfect, you have it down pat.
Where did you get your journalism degree?:))

Eeew. Journalism? Heck no. I've got a simple degree in "computer science" ( in other words, I'm stupid ... but in a different way. See, at least my skills can make money - and if I get too busy, I can hire a few Indians in Bangalore. :)) )

[ Really though. The guy should have been in a group home or locked up in a straight jacket. You think this guy had any clue what he was doing when he "converted"? I highly doubt it. ]

[ModerateVoice]

A U.S. Soldier was shot and killed by a newly converted Muslim Terrorist, yet all the Liberals can talk about is the murdered Abortion Doctor.

Another example of selective Liberal outrage.

True. It is very telling to see how many liberals have fought like cage fighters in the George Tiller thread, but I have seen few express a sympathetic sentiment about the shooting of our troops by a Muslim extremist.

[avergbear]

Just a Question:

Recently we have a story of a murdered abortion doctor and a murdered U.S. Soldier.

Which of the two victims is the left more likely to label a “baby killer?”

[scootr29]

True. It is very telling to see how many liberals have fought like cage fighters in the George Tiller thread, but I have seen few express a sympathetic sentiment about the shooting of our troops by a Muslim extremist.

The lack of responses from the left on this topic is sad indeed. I will add the left folk to my prayers as well.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

in any event, 2 individuals in just the span of two days have made it to liberal leftist sainthood, and it looks like the other one would be imprisoned... :redface:

[notluzn]

On American soil non the less. Come On Libs. Where are you? Lets see your love for the American Soldier. You going to Keep a thread going about this?

[avergbear]

On American soil non the less. Come On Libs. Where are you? Lets see your love for the American Soldier. You going to Keep a thread going about this?

They are too busy attacking Christianity in another thread.

[ModerateVoice]

They are too busy attacking Christianity in another thread.

There are presently 1700+ posts over in the Tiller thread vs. less than 100 in this thread........I guess the libs have a genuine blood lust for late-term abortions.

[avergbear]

There are presently 1700+ posts over in the Tiller thread vs. less than 100 in this thread........I guess the libs have a genuine blood lust for late-term abortions.

They defend the abortion doctor and call our Soldiers “baby killers.”

We are living in Bizarro world.

[notluzn]

There are presently 1700+ posts over in the Tiller thread vs. less than 100 in this thread........I guess the libs have a genuine blood lust for late-term abortions.
They can care less about an Army Soldier geting killed.

[CaptPops]

Will this soldier be awarded the purple heart, seeing that he was killed by enemy action?

[ModerateVoice]

Will this soldier be awarded the purple heart, seeing that he was killed by enemy action?

Could you possibly be more distasteful?

[Missy2]

Awful.
Prayers for their full recovery.

Edit: Just saw Kate's post.
God rest him, and comfort his family.

Go...I swear most of the time you can get on my last nerve...and you take a lot of jabs for your posts....

But in cases like this....you are ALWAYS one class act. :clap:

[Antrel]

The lack of responses from the left on this topic is sad indeed. I will add the left folk to my prayers as well.What do you want people to do? Argue that it wasn't horrible a soldier was killed? There have been several leftist posters participating in this thread. Just because many of them are tired of the anti-Muslim lean these arguments seem to take and increasingly refrain, doesn't mean they care any less.

If I prayed, I'd include those who needlessly politicize tragedies.

[avergbear]

What do you want people to do? Argue that it wasn't horrible a soldier was killed? There have been several leftist posters participating in this thread. Just because many of them are tired of the anti-Muslim lean these arguments seem to take and increasingly refrain, doesn't mean they care any less.

If I prayed, I'd include those who needlessly politicize tragedies.

Funny, they never seem to get tired of attacking Christians.

[ModerateVoice]

What do you want people to do? Argue that it wasn't horrible a soldier was killed? There have been several leftist posters participating in this thread. Just because many of them are tired of the anti-Muslim lean these arguments seem to take and increasingly refrain, doesn't mean they care any less.

If I prayed, I'd include those who needlessly politicize tragedies.

Sometimes, Antrel, it would be nice to see some unity on this forum...When our armed service members are senselessly shot down outside a recruiting station, one would think it would be an opportunity for us all to get along to say something conciliatory about our fallen soldiers while condemning the shooter and his motives.

[countmein]

My prayers are with the soldiers and their families. May the one rest in peace. May the other heal quickly.

[kaspiahn]

My love and respect go out to the families of these heroes. These soldiers deserve all our gratitute for their sacrifices.

[countmein]

Just wanted to add....
As a parent, the worse thing to go through is the loss of a child. I feel for the parents of these young men. Here they thought their soldiers would be safe until they were shipped out. Unfortunately not. My oldest is 15 and is seriously considering the Marines. I worry for her, but will be very proud of her if this is the path that she chooses.

[kparra44]

It really is a shame that very few people care about this incident. I can't understand the hypocrisy. Where is the outrage?

[Gengar]

It really is a shame that very few people care about this incident. I can't understand the hypocrisy. Where is the outrage?

What's there to understand? Some white dude kills someone, it's tied to all sorts of Christian pro-life groups. Terrorism! This kind of thing happens all the time!

Some Jihadist kills an Army recruiter taking a break... tiny minority. Move along.

[kparra44]

^^So true and I am sick of it.

[themadcow]

Just a Question:

Recently we have a story of a murdered abortion doctor and a murdered U.S. Soldier.

Which of the two victims is the left more likely to label a “baby killer?”

Truer words never spoken.....

Knowing those hippies on the left, I bet they disparage the soldiers.

[roger teekell]

Could you possibly be more distasteful?

That's not distaseful...

It's a legit question...

A US Soldier was killed by a terrorist...

Why would he not recieve a Purple Heart??

I was wondering the same thing myself..

[roger teekell]

You have to love how the MSM is spinning this....

The official "line" is......"investigators believe there were "political and religious motives" in the shooting.

They are saying NOTHING about this jerk "converting" to Islam in prison...

Rather they are leaving things up in the air....And with the recent killing of the abortion Doctor it doesn't take a great stretch to know what they want people to think..

I don't care if he converted in prison or flew in from Afghanistan...

This guy is a terrorist and should be tried as such..

[roger teekell]

a terrorist is a terrorist. they should be tried and sentenced to life or killed (depending on the state). I don't see why pointing out the religion makes any difference.

I edited my post to explain this...

The MSM is wording their story that way for a reason...

Edited to add:

They are saying NOTHING about this jerk "converting" to Islam in prison...

Rather they are leaving things up in the air....And with the recent killing of the abortion Doctor it doesn't take a great stretch to know what they want people to think..

[7ranz]

Well this is sick. One feels their beliefs are threatened and thus murder.

[MrShotShot]

It's fairly simple - we have had a terrorist attack on US soil within the first six months of the Obama Administration.

The media will ignore this fact and attempt to minimalize the entire thing.

[goeagles]

They are saying NOTHING about this jerk "converting" to Islam in prison...


Everybody is reporting that.
That's why you know about it.

[Dr BloodMoney]

It's fairly simple - we have had a terrorist attack on US soil within the first six months of the Obama Administration.

The media will ignore this fact and attempt to minimalize the entire thing.


Yes, the killing of the Doctor in KS was terrible......

[WillD]

So let me get this straight. 2 American soldiers shot and one tragically dies, while the only thing I have seen on TV is about a man who killed 60,000 unborn babies. This speaks volumes about our news media. It is beyond biased. I don't recognize my country anymore.

[goeagles]

So let me get this straight. 2 American soldiers shot and one tragically dies, while the only thing I have seen on TV is about a man who killed 60,000 unborn babies. This speaks volumes about our news media. It is beyond biased. I don't recognize my country anymore.

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.

[WillD]

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.
I could never be in the news business cause I am not left enough nor would I follow the talking points of the Dem party like these sheep do. Sorry, if I care about two American heroes more than a man that took 60,000 possible American citizens.

[goeagles]

I could never be in the news business cause I am not left enough nor would I follow the talking points of the Dem party like these sheep do. Sorry, if I care about two American heroes more than a man that took 60,000 possible American citizens.

If you care about one more than the other, that's your choice.
But it doesn't make the news professionals "leftist," or "sheep."
They just know more about journalism than you do.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I think we should all refrain from making suppositions to the motivations of the killer until it is reported by the media.....there are about a hundred different reasons this moron attacked our two service men, and believe it or not, the reason may have nothing to do with politics or the war.
I agree with this.

I also agree with it in the Tiller case. For all we know, that wasn't because of what he did and it was a personal issue between him and the killer.

[WillD]

If you care about one more than the other, that's your choice.
But it doesn't make the news professionals "leftist," or "sheep."
They just know more about journalism than you do.
Yeah. That is why Immelt consoles with the whitehouse and then puts out the media direction of the day. They have never launched coordinated attacks. e.g. Rush, Hannity, Repubs in decline. You cannot see the the heard from the middle of the pack.

[ModerateVoice]

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.

Kind of like how the NY Times featured a pot pie recipes on Page One while the Speaker of the House accusing Nancy Pelosi accusing the CIA of lying about waterboarding gets buried on Page 20...........got it!

I bet it takes an advanced degree in journalism to bury a story on Nancy Pelosi making outrageous claims about the CIA and a doctorate in journalism to consider the shooting of two soldiers at a recruiting station by a Muslim extremist to be local news.

[johnjay1788]

Gunman Kills Soldier Outside Recruiting Station

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss)"The gunman, identified by the police as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad of Little Rock, fled the scene and was arrested minutes later a short distance from the recruiting station, in a bustling suburban shopping center."

...

"Mr. Muhammad will be charged with one count of capital murder and 15 counts of terroristic acts, one for each person who was hit or endangered by the shots he fired. Thirteen people were in the recruiting office at the time."

[ModerateVoice]

Gunman Kills Soldier Outside Recruiting Station

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss)"The gunman, identified by the police as Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad of Little Rock, fled the scene and was arrested minutes later a short distance from the recruiting station, in a bustling suburban shopping center."

...

"Mr. Muhammad will be charged with one count of capital murder and 15 counts of terroristic acts, one for each person who was hit or endangered by the shots he fired. Thirteen people were in the recruiting office at the time."

In reference to my previous post............hmmmm, do we still want to call someone charged with 15 counts of terrorist acts to be a "local story?"

[johnjay1788]

In reference to my previous post............hmmmm, do we still want to call someone charged with 15 counts of terrorist acts to be a "local story?"

Bingo.

[blackcatrun]

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.

You dont seem to grasp the bigger picture,to which you might want to stop and think if this will become a more larger problem . This happens after the capture of the same kind of criminal convert from prison in NY city planning on terrorist attacks just a short time ago.


MAYBE this is a bigger thing than just a local event because it is happening more. Come on wake up.

[blackcatrun]

If you care about one more than the other, that's your choice.
But it doesn't make the news professionals "leftist," or "sheep."
They just know more about journalism than you do.

I would say "no" most ofthe mordern reporters.. dont know any thing about reporting news. They are want to be stars passing off opinion as news. Which is why it's very difficult to get REAL facts with out resorting to several scources first. They...just cant be trusted with any truth.

I hope you would see that.

[zantax]

Breaking, he apparently had traveled to Yemen and was perhaps under surveillance by the FBI. Aren't you glad terrorism is a law enforcement issue?

[SeeVuPlay]

Go...I swear most of the time you can get on my last nerve...and you take a lot of jabs for your posts....

But in cases like this....you are ALWAYS one class act. :clap:


kind of off topic, but why praise someone because they react like most proper folks do? GoE may have an opposite view on most things, but I see no need to praise him for just being.....human.

On topic, if there is no action taken against this, and I dont mean to deal with it in a criminal fashion only, it will open up the doors to many other similar acts as the years go by.

There needs to be a very loud statement made by our leaders that we are going to prevent this as best we can and not just look the other way. They need to admit that on our soil now, the Man Made disaster causers will get bolder everyday. Remember the dwarted attack on Fort Brag? NY city bomb at time square? all of those are stepping stones.

I do not want for us to one day turn on the TV and listen to the news, and become de-sensitized to this type of ManMadeDisasterCauser incident and say...."wow...another bombing/shooting at the military.....oh well...who's hungry?"

[zantax]

kind of off topic, but why praise someone because they react like most proper folks do? GoE may have an opposite view on most things, but I see no need to praise him for just being.....human.

On topic, if there is no action taken against this, and I dont mean to deal with it in a criminal fashion only, it will open up the doors to many other similar acts as the years go by.

There needs to be a very loud statement made by our leaders that we are going to prevent this as best we can and not just look the other way. They need to admit that on our soil now, the Man Made disaster causers will get bolder everyday. Remember the dwarted attack on Fort Brag? NY city bomb at time square? all of those are stepping stones.

I do not want for us to one day turn on the TV and listen to the news, and become de-sensitized to this type of ManMadeDisasterCauser incident and say...."wow...another bombing/shooting at the military.....oh well...who's hungry?"


Having lived in the UK for a year I can tell you just what it looks like, terrorists attacks are the price of tolerating radical views under the guise of free speech and diversity. You'll just have to get used to the idea that you might get blown up when you go shopping, sort of like getting struck by lighting is a byproduct of living in nature, terrorism is the byproduct of liberal political philosophy.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Much bad stuff recently. The pharmacist. The church. The recruiting office. Bad two week period for sure.

[kat]

The fallen Soldier was from Conway Ark. My bro-in-law had met him doing a local radio gig and while dj'ing a wedding. He's really torn up over it and said the kid was a class act. May God rest your soul Private Long.

Now I wonder how libs feel about letting terrorists (suspected or otherwise) loose on American soil.

[blackcatrun]

The fallen Soldier was from Conway Ark. My bro-in-law had met him doing a local radio gig and while dj'ing a wedding. He's really torn up over it and said the kid was a class act. May God rest your soul Private Long.

Now I wonder how libs feel about letting terrorists (suspected or otherwise) loose on American soil.


Tragic loss for this naton. That needs to be on the front page of this nations news.
Recruitement for radical islam in prisons seem to be having an effect.

Yet this is local news.

[JudasGoat]

The fallen Soldier was from Conway Ark. My bro-in-law had met him doing a local radio gig and while dj'ing a wedding. He's really torn up over it and said the kid was a class act. May God rest your soul Private Long.

Now I wonder how libs feel about letting terrorists (suspected or otherwise) loose on American soil.

meh, it's our fault so we deserve it. As our president's 20+ year mentor said, "America's chickennsssss, are comin' home tuh roost!"

[WillD]

I weep for the fallen Heroes. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends. Terrorists are nothing but cowards, too sacred to fight like men, yet it is supposed to be societies fault. I cannot stomach much more of this incoherent blaming BS. You damn libtards need to learn to take personal responsibility.

[roger teekell]

Everybody is reporting that.
That's why you know about it.

I was on my way to work last evening and as of 5:00 o'clock CBS news only reported the suspect as having "Religious and political" motives in the killing...

A VERY general statement indeed..

[roger teekell]

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.

An attack by a Jihadist on two American soldiers INSIDE the Continental United States is a "Local" story??

REALLY??

Interesting...

A Doctor gets shot that serves a very small portion of the national community in a a very small part of the country and THAT is "national News"

And two American soldiers that serve the ENTIRE COUNTRY are shot,one of them is killed,by a Terrorist and that's just a LOCAL story??

WOW!!

Seems BACKWARDS to me..

[kat]

Tragic loss for this naton. That needs to be on the front page of this nations news.
Recruitement for radical islam in prisons seem to be having an effect.

Yet this is local news.



Indeed. At first I was hesitant to post the info, but then I thought it would place somewhat of a personal face on this Soldier. Sadly, sometimes we are all guilty of taking our Military for granted.


Let's all take a moment of silence today and honor our brave men and women. :flag:

[kat]

meh, it's our fault so we deserve it. As our president's 20+ year mentor said, "America's chickennsssss, are comin' home tuh roost!"


That's the impression I'm getting lately. :wall:

[kaspiahn]

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.

Actually this IS a terrorist attack. A person with extreme Islamic beliefs targets Americans. It's a small scale terrorist attack, but an attack non-the-less. That is big news and Obama's media is just ignoring it. This should be front and center of every newpaper and Obama should be showing some type of response. ANYTHING!

[goeagles]

Actually this IS a terrorist attack. A person with extreme Islamic beliefs targets Americans. It's a small scale terrorist attack, but an attack non-the-less. That is big news and Obama's media is just ignoring it. This should be front and center of every newpaper and Obama should be showing some type of response. ANYTHING!
Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.

[kaspiahn]

Bump..
Keep this on page one and these soldiers/families in our hearts & minds

[jbthe20th]

Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.

Well, his motives seem to be anger towards US actions. Isn't that similar to the Beltway sniper in 2001-02? Would you categorize them as terrorists?

I realize that it was out of anger, and not an attempt to change policy, but GE, I gotta say that you can make the case that it's an act of terrorism.

[chip]

The question here is the motive...Was this just a random act of violence or were they targeted because of who they are - military men in uniforms standing outside of a recruitment office?


Muslim terrorism.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-recruiter-killed_N.htm?csp=34

[chip]

Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.

Hes being charged with 15 counts of committing a terroristic act.

[kaspiahn]

Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.


terrorist attack - a surprise attack involving the deliberate use of violence against civilians in the hope of attaining political or religious aims

This is the most common response I found when Googling the term "terrorist attack". With the exception of the word "civilian" it fits perfectly. And one could augue that these soldiers were not in a combat zone or were involved with civilian activity. Therefore I believe, if this person was indeed doing this for Islamic terrorist reasons.....it was a terrorist attack. Where is our fearless leader?

[RTchoke]

ABC News has learned that Muhammad had been under investigation by the FBI's Joint Terrorist Task Force since his return from Yemen.

According to sources, the suspect advised them that he was going to kill as many Army personnel as possible. At the time of the shooting, the subject had approximately 200 rounds of ammunition available, police said.


Isolated incident. Local news. Run along now people. We journalists need to start working on our report of Obama's Wednesday night party tomorrow. Lot's of prep work to do.

[goeagles]

Well, his motives seem to be anger towards US actions. Isn't that similar to the Beltway sniper in 2001-02? Would you categorize them as terrorists?

I realize that it was out of anger, and not an attempt to change policy, but GE, I gotta say that you can make the case that it's an act of terrorism.
I would think of terrorism as an act that targeted innocent civilians for political reasons.
But I see in the link that Chip just posted from USA Today (post #126) that the police chief is charging him with a terroristic act, because he put innocent civilians at risk.
So you have a point at that.

[kaspiahn]

I would think of terrorism as an act that targeted innocent civilians for political reasons.
But I see in the link that Chip just posted from USA Today (post #126) that the police chief is charging him with a terroristic act, because he put innocent civilians at risk.
So you have a point at that.


So this IS big news. Where is the MSM? Why is this not being covered as nearly as the Abortion doctor's killing? I really have to search hard to find ANYTHING on Huffington Post, MSNBC etc.....

[Sneaky SF Dude]

I would think of terrorism as an act that targeted innocent civilians for political reasons.
But I see in the link that Chip just posted from USA Today (post #126) that the police chief is charging him with a terroristic act, because he put innocent civilians at risk.
So you have a point at that.

So they have to be civilians? Lockerbie doesn't count then.

[zantax]

Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.


Oh please, need some drammamine with that post?

from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524405,00.html

An FBI joint terrorism task force based in the southern U.S. reportedly had been tracking Muhammad after he traveled to Yemen and was arrested and jailed there for using a Somali passport, an official told The Associated Press. The probe had been in its early stages and based on Muhammad's trip to Yemen, ABC News reported.


While there, Muhammad, who was born and raised in Tennessee, studied jihad with an Islamic scholar, according to Jihadwatch.org. He moved to Little Rock in April.
After the shooting, investigators searched his apartment and found additional weapons, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the AP.

[zantax]

I would think of terrorism as an act that targeted innocent civilians for political reasons.
But I see in the link that Chip just posted from USA Today (post #126) that the police chief is charging him with a terroristic act, because he put innocent civilians at risk.
So you have a point at that.


Is that to imply that somehow these soldiers weren't innocent?

[goeagles]

So this IS big news. Where is the MSM? Why is this not being covered as nearly as the Abortion doctor's killing? I really have to search hard to find ANYTHING on Huffington Post, MSNBC etc.....
It may get more attention now because of the "terroristic act" charges.
But it's not going to be anywhere near as big as Tiller.

[zantax]

It may get more attention now because of the "terroristic act" charges.
But it's not going to be anywhere near as big as Tiller.


Right, because the media is comprised of leftist hacks.

[kaspiahn]

It may get more attention now because of the "terroristic act" charges.
But it's not going to be anywhere near as big as Tiller.

And that sir, is a down right shame. I hope Obama has the guts to address this before he heads off to the Middle East to smooch up to his buddies. I certainly hope the families of these heroes have heard from our leadership. But not surpirsed if not so.

[rodlang]

It may get more attention now because of the "terroristic act" charges.
But it's not going to be anywhere near as big as Tiller.

You sound almost proud of that. How disgusting the the far left yawns when a soldier is murdered.

[chip]

Has the AG called for Marshals to help with protecting those who enter recruiting centers from the liberal terrorists?

[zantax]

Has the AG called for Marshals to help with protecting those who enter recruiting centers from the liberal terrorists?

Are you kidding? Obama is busy handing over the war on terror to the FBI, the same agency that failed to stop this terrorist attack, of course it must be minimized for fear Americans will demand we treat this as a war instead of as a pesky law enforcement problem.

[Mojotiger]

Has the AG called for Marshals to help with protecting those who enter recruiting centers from the liberal terrorists?

Oops.

[Cav Scout]

So they have to be civilians? Lockerbie doesn't count then.

My question so far in all this is this. Was this scumbag operating all on his own or was he connected to something, other then the obvious of course.

[zantax]

My question so far in all this is this. Was this scumbag operating all on his own or was he connected to something, other then the obvious of course.


repost from a little earlier in the thread

Oh please, need some drammamine with that post?

from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524405,00.html

Quote:
An FBI joint terrorism task force based in the southern U.S. reportedly had been tracking Muhammad after he traveled to Yemen and was arrested and jailed there for using a Somali passport, an official told The Associated Press. The probe had been in its early stages and based on Muhammad's trip to Yemen, ABC News reported.


While there, Muhammad, who was born and raised in Tennessee, studied jihad with an Islamic scholar, according to Jihadwatch.org. He moved to Little Rock in April.
After the shooting, investigators searched his apartment and found additional weapons, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the AP.

[gosling2Lindy]

I have been up in the mountains camping and fishing over a long weekend. I came back to find this tragedy. Prayers for the fallen soldier and his family. Prayers for the recovery of the injured soldier.

A US soldier was killed by a terrorist on US soil. That deserves attention, not downplay. Why would one be not important? Is there a minimal number that would have to be killed before the designation of important by the media is made? Is there some criteria that has to be satisfied? For goodness sake :eek:.

From the reports it looks like the terrorist had every intention of killing more. Thank God he was caught quickly!!

[Cav Scout]

repost from a little earlier in the thread

Oh please, need some drammamine with that post?

from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524405,00.html

Quote:
An FBI joint terrorism task force based in the southern U.S. reportedly had been tracking Muhammad after he traveled to Yemen and was arrested and jailed there for using a Somali passport, an official told The Associated Press. The probe had been in its early stages and based on Muhammad's trip to Yemen, ABC News reported.

While there, Muhammad, who was born and raised in Tennessee, studied jihad with an Islamic scholar, according to Jihadwatch.org. He moved to Little Rock in April.
After the shooting, investigators searched his apartment and found additional weapons, the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the AP.

That is the obvious.

[kparra44]

I wasn't able to listen to Hannity yesterday so I don't know if this came up on his show. Hopefully it will be talked about today because so few people seem to know about it. Obama's date with his wife has gotten more play.

[themadcow]

Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.

But killing an abortion doctor is worthy of the presidents time and an immediate comment from the white house????

[Dacarlo]

Disagree.
There's no "terrorist attack--" just a brutal , stupid crime.
It's getting the coverage it deserves.
And I can think of no reason why it should get public attention from the President, unless he sends condolences from the White House, which he may very well have done.

You cant be serious.

[themadcow]

You cant be serious.

hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[AEOakley]

But killing an abortion doctor is worthy of the presidents time and an immediate comment from the white house????

I agree, it doesn't make sense. Even Jeffrey Goldberg is questioning his colleagues on this one: http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/06/a_conspiracy_of_euphemism.php

Why would the president FAIL TO MENTION the Army recruiter's murder during his press conference announcing his choice of the new Secretary of the Army? Wouldn't that have been an ideal time to denounce the crime and offer condolences to the family of Pvt. Long?! It seems awfully callous and thoughtless to say nothing!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/obama-to-name-ny-congressman-the-army-secretary/

Why is Dr. Tiller's murder more "newsworthy" than Pvt. Long's? Both were horrific and senseless crimes, but the army recruiter's office had not just one, but two victims -- seems to me, that fact alone justifies more -- not less -- coverage.

[themadcow]

I agree, it doesn't make sense. Even Jeffrey Goldberg is questioning his colleagues on this one: http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/06/a_conspiracy_of_euphemism.php

Why would the president FAIL TO MENTION the Army recruiter's murder during his press conference announcing his choice of the new Secretary of the Army? Wouldn't that have been an ideal time to denounce the crime and offer condolences to the family of Pvt. Long?! It seems awfully callous and thoughtless to say nothing!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/obama-to-name-ny-congressman-the-army-secretary/

Why is Dr. Tiller's murder more "newsworthy" than Pvt. Long's? Both were horrific and senseless crimes, but the army recruiter's office had not just one, but two victims -- seems to me, that fact alone justifies more -- not less -- coverage.

It is just another shining example of how the liberals, and the liberal leaning media "Support our Troops"

[Steel-W0LF]

One of the recruiters in my hometown was in the gunshop as I was buying ammo today.

He was buying a small gun he could fit in his ACU pockets.

[goeagles]

But killing an abortion doctor is worthy of the presidents time and an immediate comment from the white house????
For me, definitely.
The issue is too volatile to ignore.

[AZslim]

My question so far in all this is this. Was this scumbag operating all on his own or was he connected to something, other then the obvious of course.

Good question. I'm sure they are investigating this. Perhaps that's why the White House is still silent?

[Cav Scout]

One of the recruiters in my hometown was in the gunshop as I was buying ammo today.

He was buying a small gun he could fit in his ACU pockets.

You simply amaze me.

I happen to agree with the recruiter, it was done long ago in Chicago.

Why in the hell would you type stuff on the internet that would or could get someone punished under guidelines of the UCMJ?

Do you not like your fellow troops?

[themadcow]

For me, definitely.
The issue is too volatile to ignore.

But the issue of our troops being shot in America is not too volatile?

Maybe the baby killer getting killed serves a leftist agenda and that is why it is of interest to you, whereas Muslim extremists shooting soldiers in America makes the anointed one look bad and hence should not really be reported on???

[goeagles]

But the issue of our troops being shot in America is not too volatile?

Maybe the baby killer getting killed serves a leftist agenda and that is why it is of interest to you, whereas Muslim extremists shooting soldiers in America makes the anointed one look bad and hence should not really be reported on???
We're not speaking the same language.
Your priorities are partisan, political ones.
You want to use the story to get the President.
Mine are journalistic.

[jimjames418]

We're not speaking the same language.
Your priorities are partisan, political ones.
You want to use the story to get the President.
Mine are journalistic.
You are not much of a journalistic then because I see headlines all the time that say "Solider killed in Iraq bombing" and a lot of the time it leads the news. If a solider is killed in Iraq by a muslim it is news, a solider killed in the U.S., in his hometown, by a muslim, is not news.

And some wonder why they don't your posts seriously.

It is expected that in a war zone a certain number of deaths will occur due to enemy action, it is not expected in the U.S. And that is what makes it news.

[goeagles]

You are not much of a journalistic then because I see headlines all the time that say "Solider killed in Iraq bombing" and a lot of the time it leads the news. If a solider is killed in Iraq by a muslim it is news, a solider killed in the U.S., in his hometown, by a muslim, is not news.

And some wonder why they don't your posts seriously.

It is expected that in a war zone a certain number of deaths will occur due to enemy action, it is not expected in the U.S. And that is what makes it news.
????
Of course it's news.
It's been widely and prominently covered.

[F_Rat-46]

We're not speaking the same language.
Your priorities are partisan, political ones.
You want to use the story to get the President.
Mine are journalistic.

Eagles, quit looking for a conspiracy behind every paragraph. The Arkansas story is just as important as the Abortionist story. The guy killed the Abortionist because he didn't like the outcome of the trial, so he decided to take things into his own hands. He is a nutjob. So is the other guy. He takes an ideology and twists it around in his mind and thinks he has a license to go out and kill soldiers. Now you can say people on here are trying to get the President, but I don't believe that. What I do believe is, if the President doesn't treat the Arkansas killing just as seriously as the other killing, that, in itself says something about the President, not anything anyone on here may feel. His lack of response shows him to be trying to accomodate the Islamists, what else could it be? He needs to get out in front of both of these killings and act as if he is ****ed off about both of them. His lack of response on the second is not responsible.

[goeagles]

Eagles, quit looking for a conspiracy behind every paragraph. The Arkansas story is just as important as the Abortionist story. The guy killed the Abortionist because he didn't like the outcome of the trial, so he decided to take things into his own hands. He is a nutjob. So is the other guy. He takes an ideology and twists it around in his mind and thinks he has a license to go out and kill soldiers. Now you can say people on here are trying to get the President, but I don't believe that. What I do believe is, if the President doesn't treat the Arkansas killing just as seriously as the other killing, that, in itself says something about the President, not anything anyone on here may feel. His lack of response shows him to be trying to accomodate the Islamists, what else could it be? He needs to get out in front of both of these killings and act as if he is ****ed off about both of them. His lack of response on the second is not responsible.
I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.

[mechanicon]

We're not speaking the same language.
Your priorities are partisan, political ones.
You want to use the story to get the President.
Mine are journalistic.

Okay, so do you agree or disagree that the murder of a soldier, on American soil is too volatile to ignore? ESPECIALLY by the COMMANDER IN CHIEF?... And why has he not even acknowledged it?

[F_Rat-46]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.

Local Crime? This shooter traveled to Yemen, was arrested for using a Somali Passport, was on some sort of FBI Terrorist list. You may call it local but, it has international implications, at least on the surface and that alone needs to be vetted. I'm not trying to attack you on this but if you do a search on the internet on military recruitment center attacks across the nation, there have been a lot more of them in the last several months than abortion doctor shootings.

[themadcow]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.

So terrorism is not a high profile issue?

[themadcow]

We're not speaking the same language.
Your priorities are partisan, political ones.
You want to use the story to get the President.
Mine are journalistic.

My priorities are that service members and veterans get a fair shake by everybody including the media. Your priorities on the other hand have nothing to do with journalism and everything to do with politics.

[XBlacklashX]

Yes, there is no cause for concern over some United States citizens converting to Islam then undertaking a mission to kill as many other US citizens as they can before they are caught.

Besides this fellow, you have some of the four in New York that planned to bomb synagogues and shoot down planes, and of course, from 2002, the D.C. Sniper.

[jasan22]

So terrorism is not a high profile issue?

Only if it is a right wing nut job who kills an abortion doctor. A Muslim kills recruiters, well, you know. As has been said, it shows the character of the President and where his true feelings lie.

[mechanicon]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.

ARE YOU KIDDING? This is not a high profile incident? Talk about selective application of moral outrage. Let's see, thou shalt not kill,(but as long as it's ONLY tragic but local, it's not so bad?)...
The other doesn't MERIT A RESPONSE? Not a HIGH PROFILE ISSUE? Yeah, journalist, RIGHT...

[themadcow]

Only if it is a right wing nut job who kills an abortion doctor. A Muslim kills recruiters, well, you know. As has been said, it shows the character of the President and where his true feelings lie.

Got it, if it serves the anointed one, it is news worthy, otherwise not so much.

[ModerateVoice]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.


"For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent."

Your posts about the Little Rock shooting incident have become more sickening & twisted as the day has progressed.

Obama is not a god, DO YOU GET THAT!? I mean that in all seriousness.....

As President of the United States and as Commander in Chief he definitely should be addressing this issue.....

[RTchoke]

Very nice summation:

In my opinion, we make a grave mistake if we follow the media’s lead.

Yes, both Scott Roeder and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad acted independently in their crimes this week. But while Scott Roeder’s ideology was just the fruit of his own psychological imbalance, Abdulhakim’s ideology is shared by dozens of well organized groups and thousands of men and women who have done harm to our country in the past and have sworn to wreak greater havoc on our homeland and military in the future. Proof of this important distinction between the nature of these two tragic events has been the unanimous condemnation of Scott Roeder’s crime by every major pro-life group in our nation. That’s on the one hand. On the other hand, we get nothing but silence from the leaders of the particular strain of Islam that Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad studied in Yemen.

In other words, it is crystal clear that Scott Roeder, the man suspected of killing Dr. George Tiller, in no way represents the pro-life cause he heralded, while Abdulhakim will be considered a hero by many of his fellow Islamists whose cause is the destruction of America and Christianity in particular.

This distinction seems to escape not only our nation’s media but also the leaders at the top of the current administration. In fact, based on their law enforcement decisions and political responses to these two events this week, the Obama administration is giving the impression that they consider the threat of additional crazed anti-abortionists, ready to kill abortion providers, to be greater than the threat of additional radical Islamists ready to strike domestic targets.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/02/morris_father_jonathan_tiller/

[themadcow]

Very nice summation:



http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/02/morris_father_jonathan_tiller/

Hey now, who are you to come into this thread and put everything all logical like for goeagles.

[lily101]

If you care about one more than the other, that's your choice.
But it doesn't make the news professionals "leftist," or "sheep."
They just know more about journalism than you do.

It is the MEDIA that cares about one more than the other. The rest of us expect full, equally thorough, factual coverage of BOTH. And the blatant difference in coverage between two equally important stories proves the left-wing bias of the media, all your spin-excuse posts to the contrary notwithstanding.

[F_Rat-46]

"For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent."

Your posts about the Little Rock shooting incident have become more sickening & twisted as the day has progressed.

Obama is not a god, DO YOU GET THAT!? I mean that in all seriousness.....

As President of the United States and as Commander in Chief he definitely should be addressing this issue.....

If the President would go before the public and say with the same fervor and conviction he had when he told those Bank Executives "Not to go flying off to Vegas in your Corporate jets on the Taxpayers dime" But this time say, "I am NOT going to tolerate the shooting of my soldiers or the desecration of my Recruiting Offices for any reason. You may not agree with the military, but it doesn't give you the right to deface property or kill soldiers." " We will hunt you down and prosecute you under the fullest extent of the law". I am not holding my breath, but it is a thought...

[E7ALR]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.You are correct GE, the stories are not equal. In the Abortion Shooter case, you have all the hallmarks of a deranged lone wolf killer, who is already in custody. In the Recruiter Shooting you have all the hallmarks of a jihadist recruitment cell operating in the Little Rock Area. The shooter didn't just pull a location in Yeman out of his head, he also didn't make a Somali passport up on his own. Both actions indicate the presence of a support cell in the US with connections to Jihadi forces overseas. That support cell is still at large. Information on it is clearly incomplete. Were any more young American converts radicalized, if so, how many? What are their names and where are they now? Who did the recruiting. Who where their contacts in Yeman. How was the Somali Passport acquired, where, when?

You are quite correct, the stories are clearly not equal.

[RTchoke]

Hey now, who are you to come into this thread and put everything all logical like for goeagles.

Don't worry. I'm sure we will be "set straight" about how this story is nothing and no one is interested, and those that are just want to make 0bama look bad. :D

[Rationality]

My priorities are that service members and veterans get a fair shake by everybody including the media.

It's been pretty well pointed out repeatedly that both stories have been covered by the media.

If you think they should get equal time, Is it safe to assume that you support the fairness doctrine?

The soldier murder has not had quite as much coverage for a number of reasons. One reason is because nobody wants people (especially :boohoo:Arkansas people) to start freaking out and going on muslim witch hunts. That, and the right-wing media is probably playing it safe after the Tiller murder and, you know, NOT calling people "mass-murderers who must be stopped at all costs".

The left-wing media isn't reporting on it as much simply because it's a soldier that was killed by a muslim and, if you haven't been paying attention lately, isn't exactly news.

[goeagles]

Okay, so do you agree or disagree that the murder of a soldier, on American soil is too volatile to ignore? ESPECIALLY by the COMMANDER IN CHIEF?... And why has he not even acknowledged it?
It's not being ignored--it's getting the news coverage it deserves.
It simply does not rate a comment by the President.
And for him to make one would set a dangerous precedent.
It's just not going to happen.

[lily101]

That's why you're not in the business of news editing.
One is a major national story, being talked about all over North America.
The other is a tragic but local crime.

Tragic local crime, my a$$. It is the MEDIA that decided to make one a major national story, which led to the "talking about" to which you refer. The other, having been downgraded by most media outlets to a local crime, unworthy of in-depth coverage, is thereby trivialized. You imply that media follows the public's interest; I say, the public interest often follows the media's coverage. It's called publicity, and that is all the MSM is: a publicity machine for liberals. There is no journalism anymore.

[goeagles]

Local Crime? This shooter traveled to Yemen, was arrested for using a Somali Passport, was on some sort of FBI Terrorist list. You may call it local but, it has international implications, at least on the surface and that alone needs to be vetted. I'm not trying to attack you on this but if you do a search on the internet on military recruitment center attacks across the nation, there have been a lot more of them in the last several months than abortion doctor shootings.

If it turns out that there's more too it than one loser taking out his political frustrations on a soldier, I'm sure you'll see lots more coverage.
The shooters record and travels have been reported.
At this point, there's no evidence I've heard of that there's anything more to it.

[F_Rat-46]

It's not being ignored--it's getting the news coverage it deserves.
It simply does not rate a comment by the President.
And for him to make one would set a dangerous precedent.
It's just not going to happen.

Eagles, remember Watergate? You're doing the same thing, all over again...:wall:

[PheonixOps]

Scum bag.

+1 I hope he gets the Death Penalty. Maybe they should do some enhanced interrogation techniques on his ass before he gets executed.

[lily101]

It's not being ignored--it's getting the news coverage it deserves.
It simply does not rate a comment by the President.
And for him to make one would set a dangerous precedent.
It's just not going to happen.

Are you serious? Soldiers are killed and it does not rate a comment by the Commander in Chief? What, is he too busy going on dates with Michelle to issue a statement? These men were US Military. Obama is supposed to be their Commander in Chief. It dam* well does rate a comment: an expression of sympathy to the families of the soldiers who were killed. And what dangerous precedent would be set if he did comment? The one of, "Oh, yeah, I'm the CinC and I should express my sympathy to the families of two of my troops?" Yeah, really dangerous precedent, that one. Un-freaking-believable.

[RTchoke]

You are correct GE, the stories are not equal. In the Abortion Shooter case, you have all the hallmarks of a deranged lone wolf killer, who is already in custody. In the Recruiter Shooting you have all the hallmarks of a jihadist recruitment cell operating in the Little Rock Area. The shooter didn't just pull a location in Yeman out of his head, he also didn't make a Somali passport up on his own. Both actions indicate the presence of a support cell in the US with connections to Jihadi forces overseas. That support cell is still at large. Information on it is clearly incomplete. Were any more young American converts radicalized, if so, how many? What are their names and where are they now? Who did the recruiting. Who where their contacts in Yeman. How was the Somali Passport acquired, where, when?

You are quite correct, the stories are clearly not equal.

But actually spending time to look into this would require "journalists" to get off their ass and work the story instead of just handing in the daily fluff stories provided for them by the WH.

[F_Rat-46]

If it turns out that there's more too it than one loser taking out his political frustrations on a soldier, I'm sure you'll see lots more coverage.
The shooters record and travels have been reported.
At this point, there's no evidence I've heard of that there's anything more to it.

So, what you are saying here Eagles, is the Media is no longer Pro-active, only Re-active. Unless some government official comes out and spoon-feeds the story, no one is going to go nosing around looking for something. Oh yes, unless it's a crime against a left-wing cause, then it's "out of my way, I've got to investigate!"

[goeagles]

It is the MEDIA that cares about one more than the other. The rest of us expect full, equally thorough, factual coverage of BOTH.

With respect, I think many here are much more interested in getting some partisan political traction.
And to perhaps overshadow the Tiller shooting, and get the focus off anti-abortion violence.
And they're frustrated because neither is happening.

[PheonixOps]

Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

What a silly statement, why cheapen a tragedy for some silly point? Why would you ask that question? :think:

[PheonixOps]

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55362611&postcount=18

I guess this goes back to the lie that "republicans/conservatives" don't "see race".............

:))

[goeagles]

Eagles, remember Watergate? You're doing the same thing, all over again...:wall:

If this turns out to be Watergate, I promise you that I'll be the first to tell you that you were right.
As it is, it looks like a two or three day story at best.
Except, of course, for the greiving family.

[F_Rat-46]

With respect, I think many here are much more interested in getting some partisan political traction.
And to perhaps overshadow the Tiller shooting, and get the focus off anti-abortion violence.
And they're frustrated because neither is happening.

Eagles, that was a low blow, if I ever heard one. You should demand a re-write on that one!

[lily101]

If it turns out that there's more too it than one loser taking out his political frustrations on a soldier, I'm sure you'll see lots more coverage.
The shooters record and travels have been reported.
At this point, there's no evidence I've heard of that there's anything more to it.

Thanks for letting us know there is no investigative journalism anymore and that reporters need "evidence" (I assume via law enforcement?) before they follow a story. You have now confirmed everything I already knew about journalism in America. Nothign to see here. Move along...wow, look at Michelle's toned arms! Isn't she HAWT!

[goeagles]

Are you serious? Soldiers are killed and it does not rate a comment by the Commander in Chief? What, is he too busy going on dates with Michelle to issue a statement? These men were US Military. Obama is supposed to be their Commander in Chief. It dam* well does rate a comment: an expression of sympathy to the families of the soldiers who were killed. And what dangerous precedent would be set if he did comment? The one of, "Oh, yeah, I'm the CinC and I should express my sympathy to the families of two of my troops?" Yeah, really dangerous precedent, that one. Un-freaking-believable.

The President may very well send an expression of sympathy.
Chances are, he already has.

[themadcow]

It's been pretty well pointed out repeatedly that both stories have been covered by the media.

If you think they should get equal time, Is it safe to assume that you support the fairness doctrine?
LMAO

The soldier murder has not had quite as much coverage for a number of reasons. One reason is because nobody wants people (especially :boohoo:Arkansas people) to start freaking out and going on muslim witch hunts. That, and the right-wing media is probably playing it safe after the Tiller murder and, you know, NOT calling people "mass-murderers who must be stopped at all costs".

But we do want liberals to start freaking out and trashing pro-life group, good to know. Tiller was a mass murderer, and it appears he has been stopped, what was your point?


The left-wing media isn't reporting on it as much simply because it's a soldier that was killed by a muslim and, if you haven't been paying attention lately, isn't exactly news.
I know it isn't news when American service members are killed in America by extremists. It doesn't serve the anointed ones causes.

Any other witty retorts?

[lily101]

With respect, I think many here are much more interested in getting some partisan political traction.
And to perhaps overshadow the Tiller shooting, and get the focus off anti-abortion violence.
And they're frustrated because neither is happening.

I don't preseme to speak for others on this board. But to me, the media's choice of how to cover both stories speaks volumes about THEIR "partisan political traction", not mine.

[themadcow]

If this turns out to be Watergate, I promise you that I'll be the first to tell you that you were right.
As it is, it looks like a two or three day story at best.
Except, of course, for the greiving family.

And the baby killer get aborted rates even less that this.

[themadcow]

i don't preseme to speak for others on this board. But to me, the media's choice of how to cover both stories speaks volumes about their "partisan political traction."

qft

+1

[RTchoke]

Thanks for letting us know there is no investigative journalism anymore and that reporters need "evidence" (I assume via law enforcement?) before they follow a story. You have now confirmed everything I already knew about journalism in America. Nothign to see here. Move along...wow, look at Michelle's toned arms! Isn't she HAWT!

0bama might fart. They need to be prepared to cover it. Can't waste time on "local" stories like this.

[goeagles]

So, what you are saying here Eagles, is the Media is no longer Pro-active, only Re-active. Unless some government official comes out and spoon-feeds the story, no one is going to go nosing around looking for something.
Not at all.
If there is anything suggesting a wider story here, reporters will likely be ahead of the police and the government running it down.
Both national and local reporters will be bugging the FBI for updates on their investigation of this guy, you can be sure of that.

[lily101]

The President may very well send an expression of sympathy.
Chances are, he already has.

A public one? If so, it's news to me. Can you link? If not, then why not? Military families all over this country would no doubt appreciate a public expression of sympathy.

[mechanicon]

It's been pretty well pointed out repeatedly that both stories have been covered by the media.of reasons. One reason is because nobody wants people (especially :boohoo:Arkansas people) to start freaking out and going on muslim witch hunts .

Do you realize you just equated the people of Arkansas to pitchfork wielding villagers going after the town witch? Thanks for a glimpse into your elitist, better-than-you thought process...WOW.

[goeagles]

A public one? If so, it's news to me. Can you link? If not, then why not? Military families all over this country would no doubt appreciate a public expression of sympathy.
I'm sure it would be private.

[E7ALR]

With respect, I think many here are much more interested in getting some partisan political traction.
And to perhaps overshadow the Tiller shooting, and get the focus off anti-abortion violence.
And they're frustrated because neither is happening.Overshadowing the Tiller Shooting.....

How many US Citizens/Residents abortion provider, or other, have been killed by radicalized Anti-Abortion fighters around the world in the last 10 years? How nmany of those incidents were the work of more than one person?

How many US Citizens/Residents have been killed in just the US by radical jihadists in the last 10 years? How many of those were the work of more than one person?

It actually sounds more like an attempt to use the Tiller shooting to overshadow the other shooting.

Of course it doesn't really help President Obama right before he is about to go on the next leg of his apology tour (this time to Saudi Arabia and Egypt) to have a radicalized muslim, with recent travel to the Arabian Peninsula, shooting up a military recruiting office in middle America and killing a young soldier.

[ModerateVoice]

do you realize you just equated the people of arkansas to pitchfork wielding villagers going after the town witch? Thanks for a glimpse into your elitist, better-than-you thought process...wow.

+1

[lily101]

I'm sure it would be private.

Why should it be private? He is the Commander in Chief. Two soldiers were killed. I'm sure a private one to the solders' families would be appreciated, but a public one as well would not go amiss. Especially since we are at war, and the entire world is watching what Obama does and where he shows his loyalties. The fact is, he should have done it, he didn't, and if he does it now, it will be "just words, just speeches..."

[E7ALR]

Why should it be private? He is the Commander in Chief. Two soldiers were killed. I'm sure a private one to the solders' families would be appreciated, but a public one as well would not go amiss. Especially since we are at war, and the entire world is watching what Obama does and where he shows his loyalties. The fact is, he should have done it, he didn't, and if he does it now, it will be "just words, just speeches..."Did the wounded soldier also die?

[F_Rat-46]

Did the wounded soldier also die?

I heard on the news today he was in the hospital with non life-threatening injuries.

[goeagles]

Why should it be private? He is the Commander in Chief. Two soldiers were killed. I'm sure a private one to the solders' families would be appreciated, but a public one as well would not go amiss. Especially since we are at war, and the entire world is watching what Obama does and where he shows his loyalties. The fact is, he should have done it, he didn't, and if he does it now, it will be "just words, just speeches..."
Nobody considers this a test of the President's "loyalties" except a handful of angry partisans on the right.

[goeagles]

Did the wounded soldier also die?
No.
It appears that he's going to be okay, thank God.

[F_Rat-46]

Nobody considers this a test of the President's "loyalties" except a handful of angry partisans on the right.

Eagles, you are getting all worked up with your "partisan" verbage. Take a deep breath and say WooooooSaaaaaaaa. You will feel better.:D

[goeagles]

Eagles, you are getting all worked up with your "partisan" verbage. Take a deep breath and say WooooooSaaaaaaaa. You will feel better.:D
?????
I'm not the least bit worked up.
I'm practicing with my remote, to get ready to flip between the Red Wings/Penguins and Washington/Florida at the Women's College World Series.

[lily101]

Did the wounded soldier also die?

I stand corrected. One dead, one wounded.

[lily101]

Nobody considers this a test of the President's "loyalties" except a handful of angry partisans on the right.

The whole world watches what the POTUS does. What he says, and what he doesn't say. In this case, his silence told his troops a lot, none of it good.

[E7ALR]

I heard on the news today he was in the hospital with non life-threatening injuries.That's what I thought...... I was feeling my simmering rage increase at the idea that he had killed the second soldier also.

[ModerateVoice]

The whole world watches what the POTUS does. What he says, and what he doesn't say. In this case, his silence told his troops a lot, none of it good.

Exactly.

[goeagles]

The whole world watches what the POTUS does. What he says, and what he doesn't say. In this case, his silence told his troops a lot, none of it good.
If you have any link suggesting that the troops are upset about this, I'd be interested in seeing it.
It seems to have more to do with right wing politics than with the military.

[Rationality]

Tiller was a mass murderer, and it appears he has been stopped, what was your point?

Are you admitting that the right got exactly what it wanted with Tillers murder?

I know it isn't news when American service members are killed in America by extremists. It doesn't serve the anointed ones causes.

I didn't know we were talking about Palin. After all, she is the "anointed one". Anointed by a witch-hunter, no less!

Of course it is news. Which is why it has been reported in the news. Do you think the media should stop everything and only report on this for a week? I bet fox news hasn't been covering it 24/7, are they part of the imagined "liberal media"?

Do you realize you just equated the people of Arkansas to pitchfork wielding villagers going after the town witch? Thanks for a glimpse into your elitist, better-than-you thought process...WOW.

I lived in Arkansas for a few years. I was surrounded by people that actually believed in witchcraft, and I distinctly remember one couple being murdered because they were wiccan.

[themadcow]

If you have any link suggesting that the troops are upset about this, I'd be interested in seeing it.
It seems to have more to do with right wing politics than with the military.

I am one of the troops and I am ****ed about it, there you have it.

[goeagles]

I am one of the troops and I am ****ed about it, there you have it.

That certainly qualifies you to speak for yourself.

[themadcow]

Are you admitting that the right got exactly what it wanted with Tillers murder?


No no no, the left got exactly what they wanted with Tiller's murder.


I didn't know we were talking about Palin. After all, she is the "anointed one". Anointed by a witch-hunter, no less!


No, the anointed one would be P-Bo. Didnt you watch the DNC with those pretty greek columns.


Of course it is news. Which is why it has been reported in the news. Do you think the media should stop everything and only report on this for a week? I bet fox news hasn't been covering it 24/7, are they part of the imagined "liberal media"?


Yes it was on page 14 in USA Today and I am sure I could find it in the lifestyle section of the New York or LA Times, etc etc. I bet Tiller the Baby Killer was front page still.


I lived in Arkansas for a few years. I was surrounded by people that actually believed in witchcraft, and I distinctly remember one couple being murdered because they were wiccan.

I lived in New York for a while and I was surrounded by dirty smelly socialist Liberal Democrats.... Unfortunately Guilianni cleaned up the crime rates in that city.

[themadcow]

I doubt that you speak for many in the ranks.

Riiiight..... Not that you leftys care about what the military thinks.... see Absentee ballots from 2000 and 2008 and the leftists attempts at having military ballots not counted.

[themadcow]

That certainly qualifies you to speak for yourself.

You know your switch and baiting is getting annoying.

[lily101]

If you have any link suggesting that the troops are upset about this, I'd be interested in seeing it.
It seems to have more to do with right wing politics than with the military.

You mean, a link to a media news outlet, that would have to actually poll military families and ASK them something that might somehow imply Obama might not be a very good CinC? :)):)):))

The bottom line: this POTUS has no clue what it means to be the President of the United States. He has no clue what it means to be the Commander in Chief of our military forces. He has no clue what protocols to follow. Hell, he doesn't even have good gift-giving skills. In short, he has no clue. Period.

[mechanicon]

Nobody considers this a test of the President's "loyalties" except a handful of angry partisans on the right.

I'll grant you that some of us on the right may see this as a "gotcha" issue, that's fine, I think it is something more. How can A U.S. PRESIDENT, surrounded with ADVISORS and CONSULTANTS etc. etc., not see the need for a public statement on the murder of A US SOLDIER on US soil? It speaks to his ENTIRE STAFF as well. Every move the President makes is scripted, so don't for a minute there wasn't a meeting on this. He CHOSE not to make a public statement, the HUGE mystery here is, WHY?

[kaspiahn]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.

Nobody expects it? I expect it and it seems many people on here expect it. The fact that people like you(Obama supporters) don't consider this more news-worthy than an abortionist's killing is VERY sad indeed and shows why this country is in deep sh1t if people like you are in charge. I hope you do not have someone in your life serving our country in uniform. I guess their death would be "not news-worthy".

[ogibillm]

I'll grant you that some of us on the right may see this as a "gotcha" issue, that's fine, I think it is something more. How can A U.S. PRESIDENT, surrounded with ADVISORS and CONSULTANTS etc. etc., not see the need for a public statement on the murder of A US SOLDIER on US soil? It speaks to his ENTIRE STAFF as well. Every move the President makes is scripted, so don't for a minute there wasn't a meeting on this. He CHOSE not to make a public statement, the HUGE mystery here is, WHY?

i'm not going to argue with you on whether or not a statement is appropriate, i'm just curious what you would have liked the president to say

[goeagles]

You mean, a link to a media news outlet, that would have to actually poll military families and ASK them something that might somehow imply Obama might not be a very good CinC? :)):)):))

The bottom line: this POTUS has no clue what it means to be the President of the United States. He has no clue what it means to be the Commander in Chief of our military forces. He has no clue what protocols to follow. Hell, he doesn't even have good gift-giving skills. In short, he has no clue. Period.

In other words, you have nothing to support your suggestion but your biased opinions and dislike of the President.
That seemed to be the case.

[goeagles]

I'll grant you that some of us on the right may see this as a "gotcha" issue, that's fine, I think it is something more. How can A U.S. PRESIDENT, surrounded with ADVISORS and CONSULTANTS etc. etc., not see the need for a public statement on the murder of A US SOLDIER on US soil? It speaks to his ENTIRE STAFF as well. Every move the President makes is scripted, so don't for a minute there wasn't a meeting on this. He CHOSE not to make a public statement, the HUGE mystery here is, WHY?
I'd be very surprised if the President or anybody in the White House even gave a thought to making a statement, much less had a meeting.
It simply is not that big a story.

[themadcow]

In other words, you have nothing to support your suggestion but your biased opinions and dislike of the President.
That seemed to be the case.

Who says I dislike the President.

I have offered the President the opportunity to have a beer with me, but he has yet to accept.

[themadcow]

I'd be very surprised if the President or anybody in the White House even gave a thought to making a statement, much less had a meeting.
It simply is not that big a story.

No. It is a big story, it just does not advance a liberal or socialist cause, like closing gitmo and bringing more terrorists here.

Plus he has been busy redesigning cars for GM.

[lily101]

i'm not going to argue with you on whether or not a statement is appropriate, i'm just curious what you would have liked the president to say

Oh, I don't know. Something that show he cares about our men and women in uniform? Something that expresses outrage about it, an outrage at least comparable to the shooting of a doctor? Something that shows he stands with his troops and their families when misfortune hits? But that's asking too much of The One, I know. It might make him tired. It might interfere with eating waffles and going on dates with Michelle.

[mechanicon]

If you have any link suggesting that the troops are upset about this, I'd be interested in seeing it.
It seems to have more to do with right wing politics than with the military.

CHEAP TACTIC, goeagles... Yeah I'll just pick up the phone... "Hello, entire US military?, Are all you guys upset, somebody on the Hannity forum wants proof of the obvious?" Soldiers are a team, first and foremost, I don't think it a stretch to know the murder of a "teammate" would make them UPSET. DO YOU?

[goeagles]

Who says I dislike the President.

I have offered the President the opportunity to have a beer with me, but he has yet to accept.
I think Hannity's ahead of you in line.
;)

[Rationality]

No no no, the left got exactly what they wanted with Tiller's murder.

Hah. May as well say the right got exactly what it wanted with the soldiers murder.

You're just playing partisan politics and you have no actual argument to back up your position.

No, the anointed one would be P-Bo. Didnt you watch the DNC with those pretty greek columns.

P-Bo? Are you guys running out of derogatory names or what? Childish nonsense like that is one reason why most of the country doesn't take the far-right seriously.

[goeagles]

CHEAP TACTIC, goeagles... Yeah I'll just pick up the phone... "Hello, entire US military?, Are all you guys upset, somebody on the Hannity wants proof of the obvious?" Soldiers are a team, first and foremost, I don't think it a stretch to know the murder of a "teammate" would make them UPSET. DO YOU?
I'm sure those who have heard about it grieve the loss of one of their own.
But that does not mean that they share in the politically motivated tantrum some on the right are throwing over it.

[ogibillm]

Oh, I don't know. Something that show he cares about our men and women in uniform? Something that expresses outrage about it, an outrage at least comparable to the shooting of a doctor? Something that shows he stands with his troops and their families when misfortune hits? But that's asking too much of The One, I know. It might make him tired. It might interfere with eating waffles and going on dates with Michelle.

should the president issue a statement for every serviceman killed?

[kaspiahn]

If you have any link suggesting that the troops are upset about this, I'd be interested in seeing it.
It seems to have more to do with right wing politics than with the military.

I as a Army retiree having only been out 1 year and 6 months, I am sure alot of my fellow military members are not happy about our president's laack of compasion vs compasion to baby killers. As a matter of fact I will call several of my friends still serving and conduct a survey of their thoughts. I'll let you know what I hear.

[goeagles]

I as a Army retiree having only been out 1 year and 6 months, I am sure alot of my fellow military members are not happy about our president's laack of compasion vs compasion to baby killers. As a matter of fact I will call several of my friends still serving and conduct a survey of their thoughts. I'll let you know what I hear.
Thank you for your service to our country.

[Rationality]

CHEAP TACTIC, goeagles... Yeah I'll just pick up the phone... "Hello, entire US military?, Are all you guys upset, somebody on the Hannity wants proof of the obvious?" Soldiers are a team, first and foremost, I don't think it a stretch to know the murder of a "teammate" would make them UPSET. DO YOU?

Most of my family is in the military. I can guarantee you 3 things:

1. They are upset about this.

2. They don't blame the president.

3. They don't see it as an opportunity to criticize the president.

[lily101]

In other words, you have nothing to support your suggestion but your biased opinions and dislike of the President.
That seemed to be the case.

My dislike of the President stems from HIS disrespect for his OFFICE and his DUTIES. I have plenty of knowledge to support my contention. I could cite the military personnel I know who are disgusted and outraged, but I'll save my breath. The media will never ask our troops how they feel, will never report how they feel, unless it suits an anti-war agenda. You dont' see that because you are one of the brass monkeys.

Obama should have made a statement. He blew it, because it never occurred to him that as Commander in Chief, he should have expressed his support for his troops. The fact that you cannot see this and acknowledge it says as much about your understanding of the CinC's moral and ethical responsibilities as Obama's.

[kaspiahn]

Thank you for your service to our country.

Your welcome and it was an honor to have served.

[lily101]

should the president issue a statement for every serviceman killed?

I don't know. Should he issue a statement when every doctor is killed?

[kaspiahn]

should the president issue a statement for every serviceman killed?

Actually that would be the least he could do for each member who sacrifices their lives. And that goes for Bush too. He could have personally stood up and read every members 'name during a ceremony.

[wndrwmn71]

I don't know any other way to say it: the stories are not equivalent.
The abortion shooting merited a presidential response, because of the high-profile issue involved.
Little Rock was a tragic but local crime.
For the President to comment on it would set a disastrous precedent.
Nobody expects it, and I doubt that he's ever considered it.

Goeagles is a shining example of everything that's wrong with LMSM journalism in America.

The "Parrot Press" speaks.

[kaspiahn]

My dislike of the President stems from HIS disrespect for his OFFICE and his DUTIES. I have plenty of knowledge to support my contention. I could cite the military personnel I know who are disgusted and outraged, but I'll save my breath. The media will never ask our troops how they feel, will never report how they feel, unless it suits an anti-war agenda. You dont' see that because you are one of the brass monkeys.

Obama should have made a statement. He blew it, because it never occurred to him that as Commander in Chief, he should have expressed his support for his troops. The fact that you cannot see this and acknowledge it says as much about your understanding of the CinC's moral and ethical responsibilities as Obama's.

Obama having the title of Commander in Chief. That really makes me mad. Call him president if you must, but CinC no way!

[mechanicon]

Most of my family is in the military. I can guarantee you 3 things:

1. They are upset about this.

2. They don't blame the president.

3. They don't see it as an opportunity to criticize the president.





Thank You to your family for their service, first of all. Also, I do not blame the President for this horrible murder. Not at all. I do however think the Commander-In-chief should have at least publicly condemned the attack and comforted the families. People look to the President for reassurance, guidance and strength. I simply think it was handled poorly.

[E7ALR]

Most of my family is in the military. I can guarantee you 3 things:

1. They are upset about this.

2. They don't blame the president.

3. They don't see it as an opportunity to criticize the president.My daughter is serving right now. Just talked with her last night. She is in a combat brigade of one of our Divisions. She told me that she has been informed that she will have to begin paying for dental insurance for herself by the end of the year. And she said the troops are grumbling about the CINC and it is going to start effecting retention.

[kaspiahn]

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[goeagles]

But they should criticize his lack of response.

Did you rewrite Rationality's post?
That's a violation of the TOS.

[Rationality]

Thank You to your family for their service, first of all. Also, I do not blame the President for this horrible murder. Not at all. I do however think the Commander-In-chief should have at least publicly condemned the attack and comforted the families. People look to the President for reassurance, guidance and strength. I simply think it was handled poorly.

Finally a rational person. I also think the president should have said something about it but it's really not that big of a deal. Condemning a terrorist attack is like praising ice cream; it's totally unneeded. Its obvious that terrorist attacks are bad. Nobody needs to condemn a terrorist attack so people will know they think they are bad. Everybody knows they are bad.

However, he did need to condemn the Tiller murder because there are a whole lot of people who think it was a good thing.

[kaspiahn]

Did you rewrite Rationality's post?
That's a violation of the TOS.

Sorry if I did violate TOS. Taken care of.