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MrShotShot
June 1st, 2009, 10:35 am
I was reading this story and it got me wondering about something.

We seem to get hit on all sides by groups and organizations (mainly left-leaning) screaming about equal exchange this and equal exchange that. We've got EE coffee, EE tea, EE chocolate, and a host of other such things and the argument is that the farmers who produce this stuff were being taken advantage of by large corporations buying their products below market value (Starbucks, Hershey, etc.).

Well after reading this story (and many more similar stories about the plight of NY milk producers over the years), I'm left wondering why many get so animated about what some farmer in Equador is making on his coffee beans, but yet seem to care nothing about the dairy farmer who, in some cases, lives right up the road from them.

It's kind of sad when you think about it.


Central New York dairy farmers lose money to low milk prices

Mexico, NY -- Like all dairy farmers, Gary and James Hurlbut always have something to do on their farm. If they're not fixing fences on their town of Mexico farm, they're feeding cows. If that's all done, they are fixing equipment. And then after that, there's hay to harvest.

But for all this work -- usually 15 hours a day -- they are losing money. They are putting off paying bills because they don't have the money. The farm business hasn't paid them a salary in six weeks. And for the first time since they've owned the farm, they are applying for a loan just to get by.

"We are losing $6,000 every month," Gary Hurlbut said. "When all is said and done, at the end of the month, we have nothing left."

As the country celebrates National Dairy Month beginning today, the Hurlbuts and other dairy farmers are suffering from the low prices being paid for their milk.


The cost per 100 pounds of milk -- which equals 11.6 gallons -- is down nearly $7 from last year.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/central_new_york_dairy_farmers.html

DRS
June 1st, 2009, 11:00 am
Probably because governments in North America already subsidise farmers

DRS
June 1st, 2009, 11:06 am
IF I was these guys I would turn my operation into a hormone and antibody free organic operation and start selling directly to the consumer or find a store that will let you have shelf space

We had farmers here who opened up their own butcher shop now not only are they selling through their own store but they now have contracts for the largest grocery chain in Canada

MrShotShot
June 1st, 2009, 11:11 am
Probably because governments in North America already subsidise farmers

But apparently not the small dairy farmer. That has always been the rub - outfits like Archer Daniels Midland and Monsanto get millions, but not the little guy.

Meanwhile the local dairy farmer is forced to sell his milk at a loss because of an artificially low price. It's not mentioned in this article, but in NY there are regulations that prohibit the price of milk going over a certain level so that the poor can still afford to buy milk for their children. How about the children of the dairy farmers? I guess it's more important for politicians to placate the poor in NYC - many more votes down there.

This whole issue is just indicative of a society that has moved away from the farm, views farmers as ignorant second-class citizens, and seems to have no idea how those shelves at Whole Foods get stocked every week.

DRS
June 1st, 2009, 11:21 am
Actually the subsides were set up for the family farms they just do not apply for them as often as the corporate farms fo

MrShotShot
June 1st, 2009, 11:34 am
Actually the subsides were set up for the family farms they just do not apply for them as often as the corporate farms fo

Well it's like everything else in government - the original intent has been discarded and what's left is nothing like the original program.

John2598
June 1st, 2009, 12:10 pm
Having lived on a small dairy farm as a kid, I know all about the hardships. There was no money to be made back then and it sounds like nothing has change in that regard. So it shouldn't be a surprise.

By the way, as a kid I got my fill of natural whole milk (unpasturized) and fresh eggs. My mother would make sure to get plenty of cream with the milk, which was easy to do as the cream would float to the top. Everything tasted GREAT!

But now that I'm older I don't eat any meat or dairy. The American Cancer Society doesn't advertise it to the public but I have one of their cancer journals that states an association between dairy and prostate cancer. They also state an association between red meat and breast cancer.

For more information on this subject read: "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell. The author explains how animal protein promotes cancer.

This might help to explain why more and more people are drinking soymilk.

DRS
June 1st, 2009, 12:15 pm
Having lived on a small dairy farm as a kid, I know all about the hardships. There was no money to be made back then and it sounds like nothing has change in that regard. So it shouldn't be a surprise.

By the way, as a kid I got my fill of natural whole milk (unpasturized) and fresh eggs. My mother would make sure to get plenty of cream with the milk, which was easy to do as the cream would float to the top. Everything tasted GREAT!

But now that I'm older I don't eat any meat or dairy. The American Cancer Society doesn't advertise it to the public but I have one of their cancer journals that states an association between dairy and prostate cancer. They also state an association between red meat and breast cancer.

For more information on this subject read: "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell. The author explains how animal protein promotes cancer.

This might help to explain why more and more people are drinking soymilk.

There is more of a link between the use of homornes and antibiotics and hormone based cancers in humans then in the protien

sironin
June 1st, 2009, 2:29 pm
This might help to explain why more and more people are drinking soymilk.

Honestly I just like the taste of soymilk better.