8yro-boy will go to school as a girl.

[traditional_woman]

Do you think this is acceptable?

An Omaha child born a boy will start the next school year with a new name and a new identity -- as Katie, a girl.
According to the Omaha World-Herald, the parents of the 8-year-old say the child they first named Ben exhibited girlish tendencies as young as 2, when he would create long hair using scarves. A year later, he donned a tiara and dressed as a princess for Halloween.
The child's mother told a CNN affiliate that she's come forward to tell her family's story so people will understand. The Omaha newspaper reported that it is difficult to accurately estimate the number of people in Western countries who are transgendered, meaning they see themselves as a different gender, according to the American Psychological Association

If the child is truly transgender, it's not going to go away," said counselor Megan Smith, whom the family consulted.
Ben's family looked at his school drawings that expressed his frustration with feeling like a girl, but looking like a boy. They asked him what he liked about being a boy, and he always answered, "nothing."
Finally, they decided to let Ben be what he wants -- Katie.
"This really isn't our journey," his mother told the newspaper. "We're kind of observers on this path."
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[JenyEliza]

I question why the parents would want to have their son/daughter's story in the press. This seems (to me) to be a personal, private matter and the child's parents should be doing everything they can to protect the privacy of their child.

They are setting this poor 2nd grader up for teasing, taunting and bullying by going public. Not everyone is going to be nearly as understanding as their family therapist.

Just my humble opinion.

Jeny

[WhiteHatBobby]

This is nothing short of the Tim Gill Project's absurdity coming into play. This has to stop. They've infiltrated that state and we are seeing the social reengineering ideals of the far left there.

[ThrowCop]

The kid is WAY too young for that decision.

He needs therapy with & without the parents.

[MrShotShot]

So who would be comfortable with "Katie" in the girl's bathroom with their 8 year old daughters?

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

So who would be comfortable with "Katie" in the girl's bathroom with their 8 year old daughters?

I couldn't care less.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Honestly, I don't see the problem here. If the kid wants to live as a little girl, what does it matter?

[ThrowCop]

Honestly, I don't see the problem here. If the kid wants to live as a little girl, what does it matter?The kid is far too young for that decision.

Let him be as girly as he wants & know that he can still be a male.


Dressing him up in frocks & changing his name & identity is twisted as hell, IMO.

[MrShotShot]

I couldn't care less.

Seriously?

And in a couple of years when "Katie" realizes that he/she likes girl parts for other reasons?

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Seriously?

And in a couple of years when "Katie" realizes that he/she likes girl parts for other reasons?

Seriously.

Even in a couple of years. Interest does not equate to rape.

[MrShotShot]

Seriously.

Even in a couple of years. Interest does not equate to rape.

So you'd obviously be in favor of coed bathrooms in all elementary, middle, and high schools around the nation.

Hey, they're just interested, right?

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

So you'd obviously be in favor of coed bathrooms in all elementary, middle, and high schools around the nation.

Hey, they're just interested, right?

That is an asinine assumption.

Let me know when you want to have an honest conversation instead of this ******** spin.

Have a pleasant day.

[slick_trip]

The kid is WAY too young for that decision.

He needs therapy with & without the parents.

this is my first thought as well. my struggle is this child is clearly following their own path - what they are feeling about themselves inside.

that sort of thought, at such a young age, actually lends me to believe more in the validity of the situation. there doesn't appear to be outside influences pushing the child - they are allowing the child to define themselves.

ultimately, i support the parents here. we all say the same thing - we just want our children to be happy with themselves and it seems this couple has come to a very difficult decision on what that means for their child. i applaud them for being open to his perspective and hope they follow through on your suggestion - lots and lots of counseling.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

this is my first thought as well. my struggle is this child is clearly following their own path - what they are feeling about themselves inside.

that sort of thought, at such a young age, actually lends me to believe more in the validity of the situation. there doesn't appear to be outside influences pushing the child - they are allowing the child to define themselves.

ultimately, i support the parents here. we all say the same thing - we just want our children to be happy with themselves and it seems this couple has come to a very difficult decision on what that means for their child. i applaud them for being open to his perspective and hope they follow through on your suggestion - lots and lots of counseling.

I think if this was more more widely accepted, there would be less sexual reassignment surgeries.

[Apatriot]

So you'd obviously be in favor of coed bathrooms in all elementary, middle, and high schools around the nation.

Hey, they're just interested, right?

My kids (until 4th grade) had coed bathrooms. However, they were single stall, so it was one child at a time....

[slick_trip]

I think if this was more more widely accepted, there would be less sexual reassignment surgeries.

certainly shows how our sex and our sexuality are not one and the same.

child at 2 doing such things unprompted...how does one not see such acts as an innate expression of who that person sees themselves as?

[MrShotShot]

That is an asinine assumption.

Let me know when you want to have an honest conversation instead of this ******** spin.

Have a pleasant day.

Well, I only took your comments to the next logical conclusion. In case you haven't been keeping up with our society, 8 year olds and younger are getting sexually assaulted and raped by their fellow students in this country. They are also sexting and sending nude pictures of themselves to each other. But hey, if you want to live in 1950, that's fine by me.

You seem to think it's OK for an 8 year old boy (regardless of how pretty his dress and makeup are, he's still a boy) to share a bathroom with a bunch of 8 year old and younger girls.

If I had to guess, I'd say you must be a member of the teacher's union.

[MrShotShot]

certainly shows how our sex and our sexuality are not one and the same.

child at 2 doing such things unprompted...how does one not see such acts as an innate expression of who that person sees themselves as?

Or perhaps mommy thought it was cute and bought the dolls, dresses, and tiaras. Maybe if she had bought him GI Joes, trucks, and other stuff, he would be different.

[JenyEliza]

My son has a twin sister. When he was 2, he played with her dolls, she played with his trucks.

They're 14.5 now. He is decidedly heterosexual, as is she. I don't think the type of toys a child plays with when they're toddlers makes a huge difference in their sexual preference/orientation. I really don't.

[smyrna]

My spider senses tell me there is a lot more to this story.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Well, I only took your comments to the next logical conclusion. In case you haven't been keeping up with our society, 8 year olds and younger are getting sexually assaulted and raped by their fellow students in this country. They are also sexting and sending nude pictures of themselves to each other. But hey, if you want to live in 1950, that's fine by me.

You seem to think it's OK for an 8 year old boy (regardless of how pretty his dress and makeup are, he's still a boy) to share a bathroom with a bunch of 8 year old and younger girls.

If I had to guess, I'd say you must be a member of the teacher's union.

You guessed wrong, very wrong.

My children are proficient in martial arts and firearms.

Not only will I live in 1950, but I will equip my family with the tools necessary to protect our lifestyle.

However, I fully recognize that our choices end at our property line or our own personal spaces while out in the real world. Beyond those lines, we have no influence or control.

Enjoy your conservative fantasy land where others are forced by law to bow to your morals and whims.

[Hadassah]

certainly shows how our sex and our sexuality are not one and the same.

child at 2 doing such things unprompted...how does one not see such acts as an innate expression of who that person sees themselves as?

boys at 2 and 3 and 4 will dress up in girls clothes and jewelry. Go observe some pre-k classes. It has nothing to do with seeing themselves as different in terms of their gender.

[Gabby]

This, IMHO, is a case of a mother finding a counselor who is a nutty as she is.
So the boy is supposed to not like being a boy because he feels like a girl. How does a 2 year old boy know what being a girl feels like? He doesn’t.

Kids will do what it takes to get the attention they crave. My take on it is that this boy gets a lot of attention from mom and others by acting this way. Now he’s becoming famous.. he has to act the part to keep the attention coming.

He used scarves to make ‘long hair’ at the age of two. Long hair as a symbol of one’s gender is pretty new. There is no gene that causes females to want long hair and males short hair. Throughout most of human history both men and women had long hair. In places like Africa many men and women shave their heads.. again it’s cultural and fits the hot weather, poor hygiene facilities and hard to care for hair.

Liking to dress like a princess is socialization, not genetics. So at 3 he dressed like a princess for Halloween. Bet he got a lot of attention from mom and other doing that.

When my son was 2 & 3 we had a lot of costumes and dress up clothes. He and his friends would dress however they liked… yes sometimes the boys would dress up in girl’s clothing. It was fun for them.

At 3 he said that he wanted a baby doll because his dad had a baby (him). So I got him a baby doll. He liked it and played with it.

One time he told me that it was not fair because women got to get all pretty’d up with makeup and nail polish. He used to ask me to do his nails.. I did them. I even let him try on lipstick at home.

His baby sitter had a daughter his age. If he soiled his clothing the sitter would dress him in her daughter’s clothing. A few times we went to places like Taco Bell with him dressed in a frilly pink outfit. My son loved it. He has a great sense of humor and loved to watch the funny looks people had trying to figure out this odd sight. He’d laugh his head off in the car afterwards… and that was at the age of 3 and 4.

Those early years are years of curiosity.

Shoot my son and my step son used to play Barbies & GI Joe with my step daughter. All three said that Ken was whimp they paired Barbie with the he-man GI Joe. The boys even bought their own Barbies and barbie outfits. All three also had all kinds of GI Joe stuff and would be as likely to play GI Joe assault as play Barbie hangs out with GI Joe. They would dress Barbie in GI Joe outfits and let her fight wars too.

Both of my sons have dressed as girls for Halloween. My daughter has dressed as a guy for Halloween.

The kids are 19, 20 and 21 now. They are all three heterosexual. They are just curious kids with a good sense of humor.

For the last couple of years my son's favorite shirt is a bright pink t-shirt. Why? He’s 6’4” and a knock out. When he goes places in that shirt the girls are all over him.
They love this huge good looking guy who has the guts to wear a pink t-shirt.

The mother is a nut making this much out of this.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

This, IMHO, is a case of a mother finding a counselor who is a nutty as she is.
So the boy is supposed to not like being a boy because he feels like a girl. How does a 2 year old boy know what being a girl feels like? He doesn’t.

Kids will do what it takes to get the attention they crave. My take on it is that this boy gets a lot of attention from mom and others by acting this way. Now he’s becoming famous.. he has to act the part to keep the attention coming.

He used scarves to make ‘long hair’ at the age of two. Long hair as a symbol of one’s gender is pretty new. There is no gene that causes females to want long hair and males short hair. Throughout most of human history both men and women had long hair. In places like Africa many men and women shave their heads.. again it’s cultural and fits the hot weather, poor hygiene facilities and hard to care for hair.

Liking to dress like a princess is socialization, not genetics. So at 3 he dressed like a princess for Halloween. Bet he got a lot of attention from mom and other doing that.

When my son was 2 & 3 we had a lot of costumes and dress up clothes. He and his friends would dress however they liked… yes sometimes the boys would dress up in girl’s clothing. It was fun for them.

At 3 he said that he wanted a baby doll because his dad had a baby (him). So I got him a baby doll. He liked it and played with it.

One time he told me that it was not fair because women got to get all pretty’d up with makeup and nail polish. He used to ask me to do his nails.. I did them. I even let him try on lipstick at home.

His baby sitter had a daughter his age. If he soiled his clothing the sitter would dress him in her daughter’s clothing. A few times we went to places like Taco Bell with him dressed in a frilly pink outfit. My son loved it. He has a great sense of humor and loved to watch the funny looks people had trying to figure out this odd sight. He’d laugh his head off in the car afterwards… and that was at the age of 3 and 4.

Those early years are years of curiosity.

Shoot my son and my step son used to play Barbies & GI Joe with my step daughter. All three said that Ken was whimp they paired Barbie with the he-man GI Joe. The boys even bought their own Barbies and barbie outfits. All three also had all kinds of GI Joe stuff and would be as likely to play GI Joe assault as play Barbie hangs out with GI Joe. They would dress Barbie in GI Joe outfits and let her fight wars too.

Both of my sons have dressed as girls for Halloween. My daughter has dressed as a guy for Halloween.

The kids are 19, 20 and 21 now. They are all three heterosexual. They are just curious kids with a good sense of humor.

For the last couple of years my son's favorite shirt is a bright pink t-shirt. Why? He’s 6’4” and a knock out. When he goes places in that shirt the girls are all over him.
They love this huge good looking guy who has the guts to wear a pink t-shirt.

The mother is a nut making this much out of this.

I think the nuts are the media and others making much out of this.

Who cares if the boy wants to live as a girl. He is harming no one.

[Remus Lupin]

I think the nuts are the media and others making much out of this.

Who cares if the boy wants to live as a girl. He is harming no one.

Tell that to a bunch a christians. I know people in my church for one would be yelling "child abuse" at this story.
I personally could care less.
Oh well!

[MrShotShot]

Enjoy your conservative fantasy land where others are forced by law to bow to your morals and whims.

Could you point to where I've said anything about forcing others by law to bow to my morals and whims?

You're the one who would embrace the notion of this little boy being able to use the girl's restroom which, in my opinion, creates a potentially dangerous situation for the girls in the school.

So in essence, my daughter would be forced to bow to the morals and whims you are espousing. As a parent, I don't want my daughter to use the same bathroom as a little boy, but now this will be forced upon us because of political correctness.

Funny though how liberals seem to always be in favor of allowing fringe types to self-identify and then society as a whole is forced to accept it - except oddly enough in cases where someone wants to self-identify as a Christian, pro-life, etc.

But yet little Timmy-tiara and his mommy want him to wear panties and we're all supposed to cheer and say how wonderful it is. Aren't we so enlightened.

bull ****

[Hereintheusa]

This, IMHO, is a case of a mother finding a counselor who is a nutty as she is.
So the boy is supposed to not like being a boy because he feels like a girl. How does a 2 year old boy know what being a girl feels like? He doesn’t.

Kids will do what it takes to get the attention they crave. My take on it is that this boy gets a lot of attention from mom and others by acting this way. Now he’s becoming famous.. he has to act the part to keep the attention coming.

He used scarves to make ‘long hair’ at the age of two. Long hair as a symbol of one’s gender is pretty new. There is no gene that causes females to want long hair and males short hair. Throughout most of human history both men and women had long hair. In places like Africa many men and women shave their heads.. again it’s cultural and fits the hot weather, poor hygiene facilities and hard to care for hair.

Liking to dress like a princess is socialization, not genetics. So at 3 he dressed like a princess for Halloween. Bet he got a lot of attention from mom and other doing that.

When my son was 2 & 3 we had a lot of costumes and dress up clothes. He and his friends would dress however they liked… yes sometimes the boys would dress up in girl’s clothing. It was fun for them.

At 3 he said that he wanted a baby doll because his dad had a baby (him). So I got him a baby doll. He liked it and played with it.

One time he told me that it was not fair because women got to get all pretty’d up with makeup and nail polish. He used to ask me to do his nails.. I did them. I even let him try on lipstick at home.

His baby sitter had a daughter his age. If he soiled his clothing the sitter would dress him in her daughter’s clothing. A few times we went to places like Taco Bell with him dressed in a frilly pink outfit. My son loved it. He has a great sense of humor and loved to watch the funny looks people had trying to figure out this odd sight. He’d laugh his head off in the car afterwards… and that was at the age of 3 and 4.

Those early years are years of curiosity.

Shoot my son and my step son used to play Barbies & GI Joe with my step daughter. All three said that Ken was whimp they paired Barbie with the he-man GI Joe. The boys even bought their own Barbies and barbie outfits. All three also had all kinds of GI Joe stuff and would be as likely to play GI Joe assault as play Barbie hangs out with GI Joe. They would dress Barbie in GI Joe outfits and let her fight wars too.

Both of my sons have dressed as girls for Halloween. My daughter has dressed as a guy for Halloween.

The kids are 19, 20 and 21 now. They are all three heterosexual. They are just curious kids with a good sense of humor.

For the last couple of years my son's favorite shirt is a bright pink t-shirt. Why? He’s 6’4” and a knock out. When he goes places in that shirt the girls are all over him.
They love this huge good looking guy who has the guts to wear a pink t-shirt.

The mother is a nut making this much out of this.

What a great post. I am sure many on this forum will be cringing at this and trying to figure out how come your son was not turned! I am sure your children are more secure with who they are and have oodles more confidence than many kids who were told dolls for girls guns for boys.

Thank you for sharing.

[angelicmadrigal]

I think the nuts are the media and others making much out of this.

Who cares if the boy wants to live as a girl. He is harming no one.

I think some of the concern is the child's ability to make this kind of decision at this age. Although unlike a sex change if the child later decided he identified more with males than females it is less problematic to switch back.

[Gabby]

I think the nuts are the media and others making much out of this.

Who cares if the boy wants to live as a girl. He is harming no one.

You are right that the boy is harming no one.

My comments were about the mother and the counselor who seem to have taken normal child play way to seriously.

I agree with the other posters who would not want this boy or any other boy to have rights to use the same bathroom as their daughter at school. I can see other of boys doing the 'i'm really a female' gig to get this privilege get to harasses girls in a place where few adults hang out. It would be a violation of the rights of the girls in the school to have a safe, male free, place for private things.

The rights of this boy and his mother to play dress up end at the door of the girl’s bathroom. Yet you would be more than happy apparently to allow this boy to violate my daughter’s privacy so that this boy can play ‘girl’. My tolerance ends when it infringes on the rights and safety of my daughter.

[Gabby]

I think some of the concern is the child's ability to make this kind of decision at this age. Although unlike a sex change if the child later decided he identified more with males than females it is less problematic to switch back.

You are right. It's about this boys young age and that this is way too big of a decision for a 2 year old or an 8 year old to make. No one would allow this boy to make life altering decisions of other types... such as to move out on his own, to get married, to have sex with an adult and on and on.

But as you say nothing permanent has been done to his body... with hormones or surgery as of yet so he can still change his mind if he chooses.

[slick_trip]

Or perhaps mommy thought it was cute and bought the dolls, dresses, and tiaras. Maybe if she had bought him GI Joes, trucks, and other stuff, he would be different.

not sure if you have kids or not - my experience says this isn't correct.

i didn't 'push' cars and trucks over dolls and dresses on my son - or my daughter.

yet they both found what interested them on their own - and this article definitely speaks to a similar environment.

from being competitive, to financially focused...or even incredibly laid back - personality traits show very early on. this is clearly one of them.

[slick_trip]

boys at 2 and 3 and 4 will dress up in girls clothes and jewelry. Go observe some pre-k classes. It has nothing to do with seeing themselves as different in terms of their gender.

i've seen plenty of examples and i stand by my point. innate personality traits are just that. exploration doesn't change that point.

and i will disagree with your point. i've had plenty of exposure to young children and am constantly reminded how they migrate towards 'girl things' and 'boy things' based on their interest.

[Hadassah]

i've seen plenty of examples and i stand by my point. innate personality traits are just that. exploration doesn't change that point.

and i will disagree with your point. i've had plenty of exposure to young children and am constantly reminded how they migrate towards 'girl things' and 'boy things' based on their interest.


Being a pediatric nurse gives me plenty of exposure to young children, as well. Do all boys play "dress-up"? Nope. But some do. Doesn't mean they are gay or transgendered.

[slick_trip]

Being a pediatric nurse gives me plenty of exposure to young children, as well. Do all boys play "dress-up"? Nope. But some do. Doesn't mean they are gay or transgendered.

certainly not. also speaks to how complex this sort of thing is - exactly the point behind my comment about sex and sexuality not being one in the same.

that said.

it's not, at all, uncommon to see those that may be like this young boys, who's interest is clearly more than 'fun' or 'dress-up' and far more about expressing what's truly their self interest.

my experience (well outside of pediatric specific such as yourself) has shown me to trust my impression of someone's core personality - especially the young. we are who we are and we express that often, though subtly.

[HF917]

Dressing him up in frocks & changing his name & identity is twisted as hell, IMO.

I completely agree. I don't know... this story is just bazarre.