Usury verses homosexuality

[ddye]

Isn't usury a bigger sin than homosexuality in the Bible? And society certainly tolerates that.

http://www.tentmaker.org/lists/UsuryScriptureList.html

"If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest."

Is it Time to Abide By the Bible's Usury Laws?

http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2008/03/is-it-time-to-abide-by-bibles-usury.html

A Handbook of Bible Law - Economic and monetary laws

http://www.giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/16.html

The Bible identifies usury as any amount of interest or increase derived from the loan of money. Usury thus signifies the illegal loan or rent of money. Martin Luther compared the taking of usury with theft and murder, as does the Scriptures.

Is this worthy of debate? It seemed interesting to me.

Doug

[mmancil]

"render unto Caesar...."


All this talk about predatory this...con-artist that...blah blah blah.

No one was ever forced by gun point to sign any contract.

Just my 2 cents.

[Mojotiger]

Shouldn't this be in the Religion forum?

[ddye]

"render unto Caesar...."


All this talk about predatory this...con-artist that...blah blah blah.

No one was ever forced by gun point to sign any contract.

Just my 2 cents.
But the Bible doesn't say that you're off the hook if someone voluntarily accepts a loan.

Lending money for interest is a sin mentioned many times in the Bible, far more than homosexuality. Homosexuality is opposed by many here BECAUSE it's a sin.

How is that not hypocrisy?

Doug

[jimjames418]

But the Bible doesn't say that you're off the hook if someone voluntarily accepts a loan.

Lending money for interest is a sin mentioned many times in the Bible, far more than homosexuality. Homosexuality is opposed by many here BECAUSE it's a sin.

How is that not hypocrisy?

Doug
You are forgiven my son. Go and sin no more. :pray:

[mmancil]

But the Bible doesn't say that you're off the hook if someone voluntarily accepts a loan.

Lending money for interest is a sin mentioned many times in the Bible, far more than homosexuality. Homosexuality is opposed by many here BECAUSE it's a sin.

How is that not hypocrisy?

Doug

Those scriptures referenced in your link mentions nothing about financial institutions, banks, or other businesses that lend money.

I see what you are attempting to do but some blog entries from a Baptist preacher isn't something I take seriously.

[ddye]

Those scriptures referenced in your link mentions nothing about financial institutions, banks, or other businesses that lend money.

I see what you are attempting to do but some blog entries from a Baptist preacher isn't something I take seriously.
So if a corporation has someone murdered it is not a sin?

Doug

[Tangible]

Those scriptures referenced in your link mentions nothing about financial institutions, banks, or other businesses that lend money.

I see what you are attempting to do but some blog entries from a Baptist preacher isn't something I take seriously.

such an institution wouldn't have even been tolerated in biblical times, since they are based off usury.

[tha malcontent™]

Isn't usury a bigger sin than homosexuality in the Bible? And society certainly tolerates that.

http://www.tentmaker.org/lists/UsuryScriptureList.html

"If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest."

Is it Time to Abide By the Bible's Usury Laws?

http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2008/03/is-it-time-to-abide-by-bibles-usury.html

A Handbook of Bible Law - Economic and monetary laws

http://www.giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/16.html

The Bible identifies usury as any amount of interest or increase derived from the loan of money. Usury thus signifies the illegal loan or rent of money. Martin Luther compared the taking of usury with theft and murder, as does the Scriptures.

Is this worthy of debate? It seemed interesting to me.

Doug

Child Sacrifice, Homosexuality and Beastiality... In that Order in Levitical Moral Law:

21 You shall not offer any of your offspring to be immolated to Molech, thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

23 You shall not have carnal relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; such things are abhorrent.

Having Sex with an Animal is simply "Abhorrent", while Having Sex with a Man if you are a Man, is an "Abomination"...

And when you Find the Time, you can let me Know where in the Bible, Old or New Testaments, that any of those (3) were Made OK with God, and that the Church should now Embrace any of them...

:)

peace...

[jimjames418]

Those scriptures referenced in your link mentions nothing about financial institutions, banks, or other businesses that lend money.

I see what you are attempting to do but some blog entries from a Baptist preacher isn't something I take seriously.
Also the bible is talking about the money lenders in the temples, not the banks or other businesses.

The bible was telling the "Men of God" who ran the temples that the money was a gift and they should not charge for the gift.

[mmancil]

such an institution wouldn't have even been tolerated in biblical times, since they are based off usury.

Usury:

an exorbitant amount or rate of interest, esp. in excess of the legal rate.

Show me which institutions are doing this...and lets get the attorney general after them!!

[mmancil]

Also the bible is talking about the money lenders in the temples, not the banks or other businesses.

The bible was telling the "Men of God" who ran the temples that the money was a gift and they should not charge for the gift.

Thank you sir!!

I was attempting to say the same thing...but you put it sooooo much better!! :mrgreen:

[tha malcontent™]

Isn't usury a bigger sin than homosexuality in the Bible?


^How do you Conclude this?...

Where are the (2) Compared in the Bible, and Usury is Listed as a Bigger Sin?...

And as I Illustrated in Levitical Moral Law, Homosexuality is More than just Sin...

It's an Abomination to God.

:)

peace...

[ddye]

Also the bible is talking about the money lenders in the temples, not the banks or other businesses.

The bible was telling the "Men of God" who ran the temples that the money was a gift and they should not charge for the gift.
So you are actually denying that the concept of loaning money for interest is a sin? Jeez, how many Bible verses do you want me to post to prove you wrong?

Exactly how far will you go to find a way to justify every single political opinion you have? How much will you twist things and wriggle through hoops to do that?

Doug

[tha malcontent™]

It's Incumbent upon the Author of the OP (Dougie) to Illustrate, using the Bible, that Usury is a Bigger Sin than Homosexuality...

The Claim is Made in the OP, and Needs to be Backed up, or Conceded as Incorrect.

:)

peace...

[ddye]

If you lend to any of your brethren in need, you are not to take or lay usury upon them. Exod. 22:25.

No substance loaned or borrowed is to be repaid with increase or interest-no usury of money, or food, or of anything that is borrowed. Lev. 25:37; Deut. 23:19.

Usury and the usurer are condemned. Neh. 5:7, 10; Psa. 15:1, 5; Prov. 28:8.

If one of your brethren becomes poor, you shall exact no usury or interest from him; you shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit. Lev. 25:36.

Usury is regarded as dishonest profit. Prov. 28:8; Ezek. 22:12-13.

Usury is an iniquity, for the righteous man does not lend money on interest or take increase. Ezek. 18:8-13.

He who does not put out his money at usury may dwell in the LORD's holy nation. Psa. 15:1, 5.

Doug

[Buffalo]

9These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination.
12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

[jimjames418]

So you are actually denying that the concept of loaning money for interest is a sin? Jeez, how many Bible verses do you want me to post to prove you wrong?

Exactly how far will you go to find a way to justify every single political opinion you have? How much will you twist things and wriggle through hoops to do that?

Doug
All of the bible verses I find are dealing with lending to poor people. I don't lend to poor people, they have a bad habit of not paying it back. However, I do GIVE to some of the poor I find deserving. :doh:

[ddye]

All of the bible verses I find are dealing with lending to poor people. I don't lend to poor people, they have a bad habit of not paying it back.
So you somehow didn't "find" these?
If you lend to any of your brethren in need, you are not to take or lay usury upon them. Exod. 22:25.

No substance loaned or borrowed is to be repaid with increase or interest-no usury of money, or food, or of anything that is borrowed. Lev. 25:37; Deut. 23:19.

Usury and the usurer are condemned. Neh. 5:7, 10; Psa. 15:1, 5; Prov. 28:8.

If one of your brethren becomes poor, you shall exact no usury or interest from him; you shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit. Lev. 25:36.

Usury is regarded as dishonest profit. Prov. 28:8; Ezek. 22:12-13.

Usury is an iniquity, for the righteous man does not lend money on interest or take increase. Ezek. 18:8-13.

He who does not put out his money at usury may dwell in the LORD's holy nation. Psa. 15:1, 5.

However, I do GIVE to some of the poor I find deserving. :doh:
So you'll not only spin and wriggle, you'll also deflect?

Doug

[ddye]

9These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination.
12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
The right gets around that by saying that they are "dietary laws". Not so with usury.

Doug

[Marleysdaddy]

...
And as I Illustrated in Levitical Moral Law, Homosexuality is More than just Sin...

It's an Abomination to God.


So is eating shrimp :eek:

[Buffalo]

The right gets around that by saying that they are "dietary laws". Not so with usury.

Doug
OT God makes no claim. It's the essential problem with OT proofreading. Providing text that supports one assertion, and ignoring or misrepresenting others.


Shrimp are an abomination. Lying in bed with men are. La di da. Sorry

[Buffalo]

11(A (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3330A)) If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12(B (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3331B)) If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed(C (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3331C)) perversion; their blood is upon them. 13(D (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3332D)) If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14(E (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3333E)) If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15(F (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3334F)) If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16(G (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3335G)) If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
17(H (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3336H)) "If a man takes his sister, a daughter of his father or a daughter of his mother, and sees her nakedness, and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace, and they shall be cut off in the sight of the children of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness, and he shall bear his iniquity. 18(I (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3337I)) If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19(J (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3338J)) You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister or of your father’s sister, for that is to make naked(K (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3338K)) one’s relative; they shall bear their iniquity. 20(L (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3339L)) If a man lies with his uncle’s wife, he has uncovered his uncle’s nakedness; they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21(M (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#cen-ESV-3340M)) If a man takes his brother’s wife, it is impurity.[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=For%20Leviticus%2018:7-16,%20%20Leviticus%2020:11-21&version=47#fen-ESV-3340a)] He has uncovered his brother’s nakedness; they shall be childless.


Leviticus has a lot of laws.

[Buffalo]

This is a good one.



18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

[Stuball]

So is eating shrimp :eek:
My Gay friend loves lobster and works in loan department at Citbank

[notluzn]

If you don't believe in God, why do you care what God thinks?

[Buffalo]

My Gay friend loves lobster and works in loan department at Citbank
Does he wear polyester/cotton blend clothing as well?

[notluzn]

does he wear polyester/cotton blend clothing as well? lol :))

[ddye]

If you don't believe in God, why do you care what God thinks?
I do believe in God. What's your point, that Democrats can't be "real" Christians?

Doug

[notluzn]

I do believe in God. What's your point, that Democrats can't be "real" Christians?

DougIf believeing that killing babies is a good thing, then I would say .. NO!

[ddye]

If believeing that killing babies is a good thing, then I would say .. NO!
1. This thread has NOTHING to do with abortion

2. I am pro life

Do you have a point you'd like to clarify?

Doug

[jimjames418]

1. This thread has NOTHING to do with abortion

2. I am pro life

Do you have a point you'd like to clarify?

Doug
Yes. How much of the bible do you believe in, or do you just believe the parts you cherry pick? :whistle:

Hell, I and almost anyone can make a point if we are allowed to pick a small quote, out of context, and expand on it. And feel insulted when someone points it out. :doh:

[Marleysdaddy]

Rudeness doesn't do Christianity any service.

[jwil59]

But the Bible doesn't say that you're off the hook if someone voluntarily accepts a loan.

Lending money for interest is a sin mentioned many times in the Bible, far more than homosexuality. Homosexuality is opposed by many here BECAUSE it's a sin.

How is that not hypocrisy?

Doug

Are you sure they are not talking about loaning money among other belivers? I dunno really but I do know that the Church has It's own set of Biblical rules and stuff. Just a thought

[jwil59]

If believeing that killing babies is a good thing, then I would say .. NO!

What about all those Christian that are adulters, theives, swindlers, liars, gossipers, etc,etc. If people believe those things are good then I wouold say no too, and that includes right wingers.

Actually, i would not say no to them or the aborters either. Christians are not perfect, only forgiven

[ddye]

Yes. How much of the bible do you believe in, or do you just believe the parts you cherry pick?
Can't see how I'm any worse than the right in that regard, but we're all sinners, of course.

Hell, I and almost anyone can make a point if we are allowed to pick a small quote, out of context, and expand on it. And feel insulted when someone points it out. :doh:
It's not like I posted one obscure verse, I posted a bunch of them. Face it, you're dancing to get out of it because someone dared to call your side hypocrites, and that could never POSSIBLE be true...

Are those on my own side hypocrites? Sure they are, I can admit that. It's a shame that you can't...

Doug

[ddye]

Are you sure they are not talking about loaning money among other belivers? I dunno really but I do know that the Church has It's own set of Biblical rules and stuff. Just a thought
Since the Scriptures also said that ACCEPTING a loan with interest attached is also a sin, I'm not seeing the point here.

Doug

[jwil59]

Since the Scriptures also said that ACCEPTING a loan with interest attached is also a sin, I'm not seeing the point here.

Doug

I will have to go back and have another look at the Scripture then.

[jwil59]

Also the bible is talking about the money lenders in the temples, not the banks or other businesses.

The bible was telling the "Men of God" who ran the temples that the money was a gift and they should not charge for the gift.

I guess this is kinda what I was thinking about in my post above Doug

[tha malcontent™]

So is eating shrimp :eek:

Jewish Cerimonial Law...

Go ahead and show me where the (3), Child Sacrfiice, Homosexuality and Beastiality is EVER OK in Bible after Levitical Moral Law?...

:)

peace...

[jwil59]

[B][I]If you lend to any of your brethren in need, you are not to take or lay usury upon them. Exod. 22:25.


Doug

lets take this verse first Doug. I am going to post westly's commentary on that Scripture:


[25] If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

If thou lend — (1.) They must not receive use for money from any that borrowed for necessity. And such provision the law made for the preserving estates to their families by the year of Jubilee, that a people who had little concern in trade could not be supposed to borrow money but for necessity; therefore it was generally forbidden among themselves; but to a stranger they were allowed to lend upon usury. This law therefore in the strictness of it seems to have been peculiar to the Jewish state; but in the equity of it, it obligeth us to shew mercy to those we have advantage against, and to be content to share with those we lend to in loss as well as profit, if Providence cross them: and upon this condition it seems as lawful to receive interest for my money, which another takes pains with, and improves, as it is to receive rent for my land, which another takes pains with, and improves, for his own use. (2.) They must not take a poor man's bed-clothes in pawn; but if they did, must restore them by bed-time.

According to Westly, it isn't always a sin to loan money for intrest.

[tha malcontent™]

If you don't believe in God, why do you care what God thinks?

This is about Forcing the Church to Embace Homosexuality...

It's about Forcing EVERYONE in Society to Embrace that Sexual Deviancy.

:)

peace...

[jwil59]

[B][I]
No substance loaned or borrowed is to be repaid with increase or interest-no usury of money, or food, or of anything that is borrowed. Lev. 25:37; Deut. 23:19.




Basically thew same thing here in Leviticus


[36] Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.

Of him — That is, of thy brother, whether he be Israelite, or proselyte.

Or increase — All kinds of usury are in this case forbidden, whether of money, or of victuals, or of any thing that is commonly lent by one man to another upon usury, or upon condition of receiving the thing lent with advantage and overplus. If one borrow in his necessity, there can be no doubt but this law is binding still. But it cannot be thought to bind, where money is borrowed for purchase of lands, trade, or other improvements. For there it is reasonable, that the lender share with the borrower in the profit.




http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=wes&b=3&c=25

[Stuball]

This is about Forcing the Church to Embace Homosexuality...

It's about Forcing EVERYONE in Society to Embrace that Sexual Deviancy.

:)

peace...
No one is forcing you to embrace anyone or anything

[BillBrown]

Isn't usury a bigger sin than homosexuality in the Bible? And society certainly tolerates that.

http://www.tentmaker.org/lists/UsuryScriptureList.html

"If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest."

Is it Time to Abide By the Bible's Usury Laws?

http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2008/03/is-it-time-to-abide-by-bibles-usury.html

A Handbook of Bible Law - Economic and monetary laws

http://www.giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/16.html

The Bible identifies usury as any amount of interest or increase derived from the loan of money. Usury thus signifies the illegal loan or rent of money. Martin Luther compared the taking of usury with theft and murder, as does the Scriptures.

Is this worthy of debate? It seemed interesting to me.

Doug

The basis of your question is theologically unsound.

You are citing passages that were given only to the Children of Israel, and only for the Children of Israel.

If you want to quote Martin Luther, why not also quote him regarding Jews?

[jimjames418]

As a very young person I was taught by a very wise pastor to be very wary of those who quote selected verses of the bible to support their views. The reason being that there is usually other verses that dispute that version.

It all depends on the sitution in that one particlair case.

[fuzee]

As a very young person I was taught by a very wise pastor to be very wary of those who quote selected verses of the bible to support their views. The reason being that there is usually other verses that dispute that version.

It all depends on the sitution in that one particlair case.

And a wise pastor, I'd say.

Mine taught me that the devil knows those same verses well...
and often uses them for his own benefit.

Hmm...do you suppose we may havebeen taught by the very same pastor, Jim?

Also, I'm very curious about the "418" thing.
Is that in reference to a particular verse, perhaps? :confused:

[jwil59]

As a very young person I was taught by a very wise pastor to be very wary of those who quote selected verses of the bible to support their views. The reason being that there is usually other verses that dispute that version.

It all depends on the sitution in that one particlair case.

yes that was a wise Pastor. This is the most out of context Scripture posting board I have ever seen, both sides of the political aisle do it.

Check your Pms when you get a sec Jim

[captusa]

Isn't usury a bigger sin than homosexuality in the Bible? And society certainly tolerates that.

http://www.tentmaker.org/lists/UsuryScriptureList.html

"If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest."

Is it Time to Abide By the Bible's Usury Laws?

http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2008/03/is-it-time-to-abide-by-bibles-usury.html

A Handbook of Bible Law - Economic and monetary laws

http://www.giveshare.org/BibleLaw/lawhandbook/16.html

The Bible identifies usury as any amount of interest or increase derived from the loan of money. Usury thus signifies the illegal loan or rent of money. Martin Luther compared the taking of usury with theft and murder, as does the Scriptures.

Is this worthy of debate? It seemed interesting to me.

Doug

Capitalism would be impossible without lending of capital.
Are those that say we are a Christian nation believe we should abandon capitalism?
BTW Usury is excessive interest.
Notice our present president is the first to act against the usurious actions of the credit card companies.

[jimjames418]

Also, I'm very curious about the "418" thing.
Is that in reference to a particular verse, perhaps? :confused:
April 18, the day the world was blessed with my presence. :whistle:

Its an old custom established when the net was very young. I have had and used this handle since I first signed up on CompUServe in 1984. :silenced:

[wayoverthehill]

April 18, the day the world was blessed with my presence. :whistle:

Its an old custom established when the net was very young. I have had and used this handle since I first signed up on CompUServe in 1984. :silenced:Lots of historical things happened on April 18.

1775 - Paul Revere's ride

1906 - San Francisco Earthquake

1942 - Doolittle's raid on Tokyo

1975 - My son was born

So all in all 418 was a pretty good day :lol:

[I am the Eggman]

The original Hebrew word that gets translated to abomination has a different connotation entirely from the english word. It's closer "taboo".

"Abomination is an English term used to translate the Biblical term tōʻēḇā or to'ba (noun) or ta'ab (verb). The term in English signifies that which is exceptionally loathsome, hateful, wicked, or vile. In Biblical terms to'ba does not carry the same sense of exceptionalism as the English term. It simply signifies that which is forbidden or unclean according to the religion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(Bible)

And usury wouldn't be a sin for me, I don't believe in gods so I don't beleve there is sin. :)

[fuzee]

April 18, the day the world was blessed with my presence. :whistle:

Its an old custom established when the net was very young. I have had and used this handle since I first signed up on CompUServe in 1984. :silenced:

Indeed!
Then, Jim, you are my astral twin! :clap:

[tha malcontent™]

The original Hebrew word that gets translated to abomination has a different connotation entirely from the english word. It's closer "taboo".

"Abomination is an English term used to translate the Biblical term tōʻēḇā or to'ba (noun) or ta'ab (verb). The term in English signifies that which is exceptionally loathsome, hateful, wicked, or vile. In Biblical terms to'ba does not carry the same sense of exceptionalism as the English term. It simply signifies that which is forbidden or unclean according to the religion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(Bible)

And usury wouldn't be a sin for me, I don't believe in gods so I don't beleve there is sin. :)

From Proverbs 6:

16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.

So do you Feel that Shedding Innocent Blood is simply a "Taboo", Based on your Definition?...

:)

peace...

[fuzee]

And usury wouldn't be a sin for me, I don't believe in gods so I don't believe there is sin. :)

But, Eggman -- isn't that rather limiting?

I mean, if you ever did something wrong.....what would
you call it? :?

[I am the Eggman]

From Proverbs 6:

16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.

So do you Feel that Shedding Innocent Blood is simply a "Taboo", Based on your Definition?...

:)

peace...

Sure. Forbidden does it for me. But I guess abomination adds just the right amount of melodrama that makes for a good sermon ;).

[captusa]

Usury:

an exorbitant amount or rate of interest, esp. in excess of the legal rate.

Show me which institutions are doing this...and lets get the attorney general after them!!

Every credit card company in the country does and the so called regulating agency officially never notices it.
(Until the present administration)

[I am the Eggman]

But, Eggman -- isn't that rather limiting?

I mean, if you ever did something wrong.....what would
you call it? :?

Something wrong. Something not right. Take your pick.