Alabama police chase

[neoINDIE]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=5248978&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b 0c12f2749

Maybe there is a thread on this already, but based on the video what do y'all think of this one?

The cops have been fired and are trying to be reinstated.

Oh, and wear your seatbelt.

[bryan92]

As a cop, I guess I can say this, they were wrong. Also, getting fired should be the least of their worries.

I've been in those situations many times, and for whatever reason, I have never had the urge to beat the **** out of someone.

[stoked]

If you look at the video, a cop narrowly misses being killed on the freeway over this guy so I don't blame them for roughing the guy up. I'm so sick of these lawsuits, you know, the perps sue over the intervention, other citizens sue if there isn't enough intervention, we just pay and pay. We just can't continue to function as a society this way. Maybe people will commit less of these crimes if they do get the crap beat out of them.

[Residential Bob]

The guy should thank God the cops didn't stop him with a bullet.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

The dude deserved to get an ass beating.

However, that is not part of the cops jobs. They were wrong.

[jimjames418]

The dude deserved to get an ass beating.

However, that is not part of the cops jobs. They were wrong.
Stop being reasonable. You'll make us think good of ya. :doh:

The cops were wrong and should lose their jobs. However the perp was also wrong and should lose any lawsuit over the actions of the police at the arrest. IMHO Anyway.

[gdoane]

I think it's an obvious assumption to make that this perps injuries were largely sustained during the vehicle rollover and ejection due to failure to wear the safety belt.

This guy was injured by several laws, like Newton's First and Second Law of Inertia, and the Law of Gravity.

Newtonian physics did more damage to this jerk than the cops did and nobody's fired Newton.

The animal tried to KILL a cop and the cops involved saw him do it. It would be a reasonable conclusion that the perp would attempt to kill a cop because he'd already done so.

It's a well-known truth that a cornered and injured animal is the most dangerous kind of animal there is, and when that animal is part of the most successful killing species on the planet the situation is as deadly and serious as it gets.

They didn't know if he was on drugs (he probably was), they didn't know if he was seriously injured (he probably was) and they didn't know if he wasn't trying to kill a cop again by playing possum and laying on a gun (he probably would).

The way I see it, they had three options.

Option 1: Basically what they did, bum-rush the clown with enough force that it wouldn't matter if he was laying on a gun to ambush and kill a cop.

Option 2: Set up a perimeter with officers armed with sniper rifles aimed at the perp while another officer approaches slowly to determine if the perp really is hurt badly in the car wreck.

Option 3: Hit the perp with non-lethal force, K-9, bean bag gun, pepper ball gun, taser, or flash-bang grenade.

The problem with options 2 and 3 are the same. They take too much time and if that guy really was hurt in the car crash the delay could (probably would) be the difference between him living and dying.

There's no trusting the guy to not be trying to kill a cop by playing a game of possum and there's no time to get the non-lethal toys out of the trunk or set up a SWAT team approach to the situation.

What they did was rapidly diffuse the threat in a manner which determined the creep really was injured and not about to make another attempt on the life of a police officer.

The armchair quarterbacks all assume that the guy was in a car crash and was no longer a threat. I've seen people walk away from car wrecks that I thought for sure would be 100% fatal.

The armchair quarterbacks aren't betting their lives on the assumption that the threat was taken care of. These cops were making that bet and they didn't want to lose it.

Sure, it looks bad. But in a situation where there's no good option they did pick the lesser evil.

Good cop work. Next time put a hat over the camera.

[notluzn]

The guy should have a bullet in his head and the cops should be given the Highest Award for that state.

[notluzn]

Oh, and this is the kind of guy that liberals cheer full everyday. Their hero

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Oh, and this is the kind of guy that liberals cheer full everyday. Their hero

He is totally my hero and I hope he gets out and purchases several assault rifles.

That would make me giggle.

[gdoane]

He is totally my hero and I hope he gets out and purchases several assault rifles.

That would make me giggle.

That would make him an amateur. Real felons like handguns. Ever seen a bank robbery using assault rifles? Doesn't happen much because running away with a fully automatic rifle is kind of an attention-getter and the last thing felons want to do is attract a lot of attention.

This idiot probably wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison if he hadn't driven like a maniac and attracted attention.

[captusa]

If you look at the video, a cop narrowly misses being killed on the freeway over this guy so I don't blame them for roughing the guy up. I'm so sick of these lawsuits, you know, the perps sue over the intervention, other citizens sue if there isn't enough intervention, we just pay and pay. We just can't continue to function as a society this way. Maybe people will commit less of these crimes if they do get the crap beat out of them.

Look at the results of the Rodney King beating.
King was not charged with the actions he was clearly guilty of.
He justifiably received an enormous settlement for the beating he received (as this felon will most probably also receive).
If the police had acted properly this felon would have been sent back to jail.
No publicity.
No legal expenses over an obvious tort against the police jurisdiction.
The actions of the police did a great deal to decrease the safety of the public.
Why is it such an unreasonable idea that those in law inforcement should (occassionally) obey the law?

[captusa]

That would make him an amateur. Real felons like handguns. Ever seen a bank robbery using assault rifles? Doesn't happen much because running away with a fully automatic rifle is kind of an attention-getter and the last thing felons want to do is attract a lot of attention.

This idiot probably wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison if he hadn't driven like a maniac and attracted attention.

And the action of the police is going to reward the felon and punish the taxpayers.

[captusa]

As a cop, I guess I can say this, they were wrong. Also, getting fired should be the least of their worries.

I've been in those situations many times, and for whatever reason, I have never had the urge to beat the **** out of someone.
It is good to hear a policeman speak reasonably about the case.
There is nothing wrong with having the urge to beat the **** out of someone.
The fact that they give you a gun and responsibilities is the reason you MUST be able to restrain those urges.

[gdoane]

And the action of the police is going to reward the felon and punish the taxpayers.

The murderous madman is already into the taxpayers for a 20-year prison sentence at about $27,000 per year for $540,000 bare minimum.

That's just the prison time he's been sentenced to for this crime. Apparently this madman is a multiple offender with a rap sheet the size of the Birmingham telephone directory. He's done time for burglary, murder, assault and others.

He shouldn't have been on the streets in the first place. The cops put him in prison again and again and stinking useless liberal judges let this murdermeister right back out on the streets to endanger the public over and over.

If the creep profits anything from a lawsuit the cost of incarceration, the cost of the chase and the costs of all prior incarcerations should be deducted from any award to leave him basically paying for his own jailing.

The list of crimes he's convicted of should probably be good for about $80 Million in fines too. Fines that the court could simply seize if this idiot wins so much as a dime.

I don't see how this guy collects one red cent except maybe on paper because he owes bigtime.

[FidelisAdMortem]

They made a perp a millionaire. And lost their jobs over it.

I can relate to their emotional state, however they crossed the line.

Simple as that.

[Floydian]

Lesson learned: Don't gang beat the dog **** out of an unconscious person.

[gdoane]

They made a perp a millionaire. And lost their jobs over it.

I can relate to their emotional state, however they crossed the line.

Simple as that.

Why would the perp collect ANY damages? It's not as if that dirtbag lost any wages. Dude obviously has never seen a legitimate paycheck in his life.

Even if he supposedly lost everything he owned, how much would that really be? A hundred bucks or so? He's a worthless loser scum.

A good tort reform would make it so that nobody, no matter what could recover more than their own personal net worth. That would keep the poor from playing the lawsuit lottery and keep the courts open for serious business.

I think the cop who got hit by the van has a better case to sue the perp than the perp has for suing the cop. Hitting somebody with a van is a lot more brutal than any cop baton beating.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Ghetto lottery.

He'll get plenty of money out of this.

[mdk190]

I am glad the cops were fired and I hope the prep loses his lawsuit.

[gdoane]

Ghetto lottery.

He'll get plenty of money out of this.

Money he can use for what? All the candy bars in the prison store?

He pled guilty to a charge of aggravated assault on a police officer, a plea bargain he made to avoid the attempted homicide rap. He's doing 20 years in the slammer. He's not going to change his plea because they've got video of him swerving a van into a uniformed police officer. That's a slam-dunk case of attempted homicide and I don't think the plea deal should have even been struck.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/alabama.police.beating/index.html#cnnSTCText

Anthony Warren (the perp here) is gone for 20 years in a Birmingham prison. One thing about prison guards is that they really, really don't like cop killers. There are some crimes that make prison time harder for some people than others and cop killer is just about at the top of the list.

This guy isn't just in for 20 years, he's in for 20 of the toughest years a prisoner can get. He's not going to get any breaks from the guards and he's going to be written up for every little infraction to keep him on the bad behavior list and add time to his sentence.

I don't think he's likely to see a day as a free man again in his lifetime, short as it's probably going to be. Those 11 seconds with the Birmingham Cops is going to be nothing compared to 20 years in a Birmingham Prison with guards who hate cop killers.

He's in for a lot more misery yet to come, imho. He's beyond any point where money could help ease his pain.

[neoINDIE]

I am glad the cops were fired and I hope the prep loses his lawsuit.

Why are you glad? Do you mean it was the right thing, or that it makes you happy? There is a difference.

They lost their careers. They probably have families they support. That makes you glad?

[neoINDIE]

Money he can use for what? All the candy bars in the prison store?

He pled guilty to a charge of aggravated assault on a police officer, a plea bargain he made to avoid the attempted homicide rap. He's doing 20 years in the slammer. He's not going to change his plea because they've got video of him swerving a van into a uniformed police officer. That's a slam-dunk case of attempted homicide and I don't think the plea deal should have even been struck.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/alabama.police.beating/index.html#cnnSTCText

Anthony Warren (the perp here) is gone for 20 years in a Birmingham prison. One thing about prison guards is that they really, really don't like cop killers. There are some crimes that make prison time harder for some people than others and cop killer is just about at the top of the list.

This guy isn't just in for 20 years, he's in for 20 of the toughest years a prisoner can get. He's not going to get any breaks from the guards and he's going to be written up for every little infraction to keep him on the bad behavior list and add time to his sentence.

I don't think he's likely to see a day as a free man again in his lifetime, short as it's probably going to be. Those 11 seconds with the Birmingham Cops is going to be nothing compared to 20 years in a Birmingham Prison with guards who hate cop killers.

He's in for a lot more misery yet to come, imho. He's beyond any point where money could help ease his pain.

No it doesn't make any sense. Not much does these days.

[mdk190]

Why are you glad? Do you mean it was the right thing, or that it makes you happy? There is a difference.

They lost their careers. They probably have families they support. That makes you glad?

Firing them was the right thing to do. Maybe they should have thought about that (their families/careers) before they beat an already unconscious man senseless.

[MrDuffy]

Lesson learned: Cover the camera.:doh:

[neoINDIE]

Firing them was the right thing to do. Maybe they should have thought about that (their families/careers) before they beat an already unconscious man senseless.

Firing them was thr right thing to do. No arguement.

However, that piece of **** thug had no sense to begin with, so there was nothing to beat out of him.

Most likely you have no idea what those cops have gone through in their careers to get to that point, what they went through that day to get to that point, including seeing this ******* almost run over one of their brothers. I'm happy you are enjoying their plight.

[CaptC]

Dash cameras were originally placed in police vehicles for use as a "silent witness" in court to validate the officer's testimony. As a law enforcement tool, their tapings should NOT be available to the general public. I blame the news media for showing the tapes. The story here was the police were in an extended high-speed chase to capture a fleeing felon. Cops 1, felon 0.

[jimjames418]

Dash cameras were originally placed in police vehicles for use as a "silent witness" in court to validate the officer's testimony. As a law enforcement tool, their tapings should NOT be available to the general public. I blame the news media for showing the tapes. The story here was the police were in an extended high-speed chase to capture a fleeing felon. Cops 1, felon 0.
Wrong. Dash cameras were originally installed to combat the false charges of police misconduct in traffic stops. It seems that some police officers do not think it also monitors them and their actions.

[CaptC]

Wrong. Dash cameras were originally installed to combat the false charges of police misconduct in traffic stops. It seems that some police officers do not think it also monitors them and their actions.
I still maintain that they should NOT be available to the general public. Does the court allow other evidence in a case be made available to the public? If they do, then they violate the rights of the defense and the prosecution. With the evidence available, how can you get a truly unbiased jury? :doh:

[jimjames418]

I still maintain that they should NOT be available to the general public. Does the court allow other evidence in a case be made available to the public? If they do, then they violate the rights of the defense and the prosecution. With the evidence available, how can you get a truly unbiased jury? :doh:
In a public trial, all evidence is available to the public, and as a matter of law, any evidence that is favorable to the defendant must be shared with the defense.

And since dash cams are funded by public tax dollars, they are, in effect, public property.

[captusa]

Why are you glad? Do you mean it was the right thing, or that it makes you happy? There is a difference.

They lost their careers. They probably have families they support. That makes you glad?

Because they cannot control their tempers nor obey the laws they were paid to enforce.
There are other jobs where you aren't authorized to carry a gun or use your judgement in app;ying necessary force.

[captusa]

Money he can use for what? All the candy bars in the prison store?

He pled guilty to a charge of aggravated assault on a police officer, a plea bargain he made to avoid the attempted homicide rap. He's doing 20 years in the slammer. He's not going to change his plea because they've got video of him swerving a van into a uniformed police officer. That's a slam-dunk case of attempted homicide and I don't think the plea deal should have even been struck.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/alabama.police.beating/index.html#cnnSTCText

Anthony (the perp here) is gone for 20 years in a Birmingham prison. One thing about prison guards is that they really, really don't like cop killers. There are some crimes that make prison time harder for some people than others and cop killer is just about at the top of the list.

This guy isn't just in for 20 years, he's in for 20 of the toughest years a prisoner can get. He's not going to get any breaks from the guards and he's going to be written up for every little infraction to keep him on the bad behavior list and add time to his sentence.

I don't think he's likely to see a day as a free man again in his lifetime, short as it's probably going to be. Those 11 seconds with the Birmingham Cops is going to be nothing compared to 20 years in a Birmingham Prison with guards who hate cop killers.

He's in for a lot more misery yet to come, imho. He's beyond any point where money could help ease his pain.

I do not have sympathy for Mr.Warren.
He would have gotten AT LEAST the hard time you mentioned and if not for the police misconduct.
He may not have gotten his plea bargain if not for the tape of his beating.
BUT his lawyer will get about 30% of the procedes of the law suit THAT THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR.
The fact that he may not enjoy the procedes of the suit does not make it any cheaper for the taxpayer.

AND as you pointed out the 11 seconds of pain the arresting officers inflicted on the perp is insignifigant compared to what he is in for shows how dumb the Alabama police to lose their careers over over those 11 seconds.
I still do not understand why so many people believe that those who inforce the law should be required to obey the law.

[captusa]

I still maintain that they should NOT be available to the general public. Does the court allow other evidence in a case be made available to the public? If they do, then they violate the rights of the defense and the prosecution. With the evidence available, how can you get a truly unbiased jury? :doh:

The defense is entitled to view all evidence and anything available in court is public record.
The 1st Amendment prevents stopping the press from making embarassing evidence public.
You don't seem to understand the principles of a free society.

[CaptC]

The defense is entitled to view all evidence The defense in NOT the general public.
and anything available in court is public record.
NOT BEFORE the trial!
The 1st Amendment prevents stopping the press from making embarassing evidence public.
Since when has that stopped the press from doing whatever it chooses?
You don't seem to understand the principles of a free society.
I understand the principles of a free society, but the courts, press, and government seem to have forgotten.

[stoked]

The courts need to throw these cases out of court. As long as we have a judicial system that 'promotes' litigation against the state by predatory, money grabbing attorneys (they're probably in cahoots together), then we are not going to be able to have a government. Today is a perfect example where states are going into bankruptcy. Doesn't matter whether it's these five cops or someone or something else, there's always a deep pocket and somebody to blame. We're done. Anarchy here we come.

[captusa]

The courts need to throw these cases out of court. As long as we have a judicial system that 'promotes' litigation against the state by predatory, money grabbing attorneys (they're probably in cahoots together), then we are not going to be able to have a government. Today is a perfect example where states are going into bankruptcy. Doesn't matter whether it's these five cops or someone or something else, there's always a deep pocket and somebody to blame. We're done. Anarchy here we come.

Are you saying the state should be immune from responsibility for actions of its representatives that do harm ?
YES this is a litiginous society and there should be ways to prevent frivolous law suits but that doesn't mean some things should not be litigated.

[neoINDIE]

Because they cannot control their tempers nor obey the laws they were paid to enforce.
There are other jobs where you aren't authorized to carry a gun or use your judgement in app;ying necessary force.

How much law enforcement experience do you have?

[OldSchoolConservative]

Wouldn't be surprised if the feds become involved.

[captusa]

How much law enforcement experience do you have?

As the enforcer or the enforcee ?

[neoINDIE]

As the enforcer or the enforcee ?

You know exactly what I meant. Howmuch experience do you have as a cop?

[terri910]

As long as we have a judicial system that 'promotes' litigation against the state by predatory, money grabbing attorneys (they're probably in cahoots together), then we are not going to be able to have a government.
Not sure who, exactly you are saying might be in cahoots. In this case, are you figuring the cops that beat the guy are in cahoots with the attorneys that will now have a case to take to court that they wouldn't have otherwise?

[gdoane]

You know exactly what I meant. Howmuch experience do you have as a cop?

Closest I could come to that claim to fame is I was a Boy Scout. No, scratch that, I was actually Shore Patrol in the US Navy a few times.

The thing about Shore Patrol is you cover your rank insignia on your uniform with an "SP" band because at that point and on that duty, you are a duly sworn and authorized representative of the Captain of the ship. Which means any order you give has command authority so even though your real military rank may be several orders below the lieutenant you're telling to get back to the ship because he's drunk and acting stupid, you're representing the Captain of the ship when you so command.

I never had much of a problem with Shore Patrol except for one guy who was so drunk he wanted to fight and his first attack was puking on me. Needless to say, this method of combat was ineffective and he went to the brig on an empty stomach.

I couldn't be a cop. I know I couldn't. I don't have the patience for dealing with idiots. I could technically do the job. Heck, I've built air traffic control centers and 911 dispatch centers. I can train cops on how to use their equipment, but as far as dealing with slimeballs, I just don't have the customer service mentality it takes to book a crook without wanting to put a boot in his ass.

I could technically do the cop job. What I couldn't do is refrain from shooting the bastard who tried to kill me.

[neoINDIE]

bump for captusa

[slick_trip]

listening to the video - i find the comments from the prosecutor who supported the officers to be damning.

it was all about who the perp is - what he's done.

none of that matters. not in that moment - they have an unconscious, unmoving person. there was no indication this person would resist arrest.

in short - aside from their emotional response towards this perp - they have nothing to justify beating him.

what they did was wrong, entirely. officers are not judge and jury - yet that is exactly how those five acted - in that moment.

i struggle with the thought that the general public will likely fund this man's lawsuit against the police - he doesn't deserve a penny.

that struggle can not override the actions of the officers. they were not upholding the law by beating that man.

[stoked]

Not sure who, exactly you are saying might be in cahoots. In this case, are you figuring the cops that beat the guy are in cahoots with the attorneys that will now have a case to take to court that they wouldn't have otherwise?

Nooo, the judges and the lawyers are in cahoots. Judges use to throw this crap out of court. You didn't hear about this stuff 20-30 years ago. In the old days, the government didn't allow itself to be prosecuted like it does today. But hey, those judges have to be able to pay for their cappaccino's too so they need the business. :))

[CMike11]

The cops were wrong.

It doesn't matter what he did before. If he was Hitler or some other serial murderer.

They had a duty to do their job professionaly. They didn't.

The have no right to beat on him not matter what his prior deeds.

I agree with the poster said that the attorney in the program defending the officers made a pretty pathetic arguements.

The fact is that the unconscious guy didn't put out a gun or make any sort of threatening move.

The guy was just thrown out of a car, obviously he wasn't in a position to obey their orders. I also didn't see enough time to go buy for them to give orders and for him to obey them.

The cops should be fired, no he shouldn't win a million dollars, but he probably will.

[CMike11]

Dash cameras were originally placed in police vehicles for use as a "silent witness" in court to validate the officer's testimony. As a law enforcement tool, their tapings should NOT be available to the general public. I blame the news media for showing the tapes. The story here was the police were in an extended high-speed chase to capture a fleeing felon. Cops 1, felon 0.

Who is paying for those cameras?

Not allowing it to the general public would show the general public that the police have things to hide to the public.

[nortman]

Money he can use for what? All the candy bars in the prison store?

He pled guilty to a charge of aggravated assault on a police officer, a plea bargain he made to avoid the attempted homicide rap. He's doing 20 years in the slammer. He's not going to change his plea because they've got video of him swerving a van into a uniformed police officer. That's a slam-dunk case of attempted homicide and I don't think the plea deal should have even been struck.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/20/alabama.police.beating/index.html#cnnSTCText

Anthony Warren (the perp here) is gone for 20 years in a Birmingham prison. One thing about prison guards is that they really, really don't like cop killers. There are some crimes that make prison time harder for some people than others and cop killer is just about at the top of the list.

This guy isn't just in for 20 years, he's in for 20 of the toughest years a prisoner can get. He's not going to get any breaks from the guards and he's going to be written up for every little infraction to keep him on the bad behavior list and add time to his sentence.

I don't think he's likely to see a day as a free man again in his lifetime, short as it's probably going to be. Those 11 seconds with the Birmingham Cops is going to be nothing compared to 20 years in a Birmingham Prison with guards who hate cop killers.

He's in for a lot more misery yet to come, imho. He's beyond any point where money could help ease his pain.I'm guessing tha not only will he use this video to make a lot of money, he'll also try to use it as a "get out of jail" card. Play it to a sympathetic jury (they wouldn't even have to edit out the part where he tries to run over one cop in my area, he would be hailed as a hero) and watch them set him free.

[bryan92]

This is where I have a problem.

The officer put the others in a bad position. They can either tell the truth or lie when asked what happened and sign their name to that statement.

If they lie, they will be sitting next to the officer in Federal Court. They will be the ones with the dollar signs by their names. If they tell the truth, they will be the ones on the stand helping put a larger number of 0's next to that original officers name. Either way they are in a position that they would rather not be in. The way not to be in that situation is for that officer to have done what he was trained to do and nothing more.

[captusa]

You know exactly what I meant. Howmuch experience do you have as a cop?

None.
Do I need to be a cop to understand that beating an unconscious perp is incorrect.
I grew up in Albany and have witnessed a great deal of police brutality and corruption.
NYC has one of the best forces in the country and as Mayor Koch stated "Most policemen are honest and capable but still there are too many that are not."

[neoINDIE]

None.
Do I need to be a cop to understand that beating an unconscious perp is incorrect.
I grew up in Albany and have witnessed a great deal of police brutality and corruption.
NYC has one of the best forces in the country and as Mayor Koch stated "Most policemen are honest and capable but still there are too many that are not."

I know you have none, I was just waiting for you to say it.

I'll get back to you on this, I don't have time now. (there is an unconscious man outside I need to go kick in the head)

[jimjames418]

The five officers were fired. But I have question. Since this occured in Jan 2008 and was not made public until May 2009 when the tape was played in court, what is going to happen to the supervisors, chief, mayor, etc. who knew about this for over a year without taking any action?

And don't anyone try to tell me that those officials didn't know about this incident prior to May 2009.

[RogerDodger]

How much law enforcement experience do you have?

It is really a weak argument to say that one must have law enforcement experience to comment on the actions of the police. I'd venture to guess there are very few politicians on this board, yet the whole purpose of this board is to scrutinize their actions.

[FidelisAdMortem]

If that was true there would be no need for training/experience for what I do.

Why should there be? If one can judge with scrutiny never being in my shoes then clearly that same person could do my job without any training required?

If not, explain the difference from doing my job, but if unable, able to criticize it.

Serious question, I'd like to know.

[RogerDodger]

If that was true there would be no need for training/experience for what I do.

Why should there be? If one can judge with scrutiny never being in my shoes then clearly that same person could do my job without any training required?

If not, explain the difference from doing my job, but if unable, able to criticize it.

Serious question, I'd like to know.

You can make the exact same argument about any profession. You hear people criticize teachers, doctors, lawyers, etc. all the time, but somehow law enforcement is the only occupation you must be a part of to have an opinion about.

[captusa]

I know you have none, I was just waiting for you to say it.

I'll get back to you on this, I don't have time now. (there is an unconscious man outside I need to go kick in the head)
(my enlargement)
You give me no reason to doubt your reason for not responding to my question.

[CID_0687]

You can make the exact same argument about any profession. You hear people criticize teachers, doctors, lawyers, etc. all the time, but somehow law enforcement is the only occupation you must be a part of to have an opinion about.
Yeah, you gotta love Badge Ego...thank God all law enforcement isn't like that...my dad was an MP and CID agent for 30 years, he and his buddies weren't/ aren't like that...Some folks just think their **** don't stink, they get into law enforcement for the power that they so desire to have, and treat the rest of the world like crap...And then they get their feelings hurt when someone calls them out on it. It's fun to watch.:)