Wal Mart refuses to sell Green Day's new album...

[JimGP20]

... and I applaud them for it. :clap::clap:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/green-day/news/green-day-lashes-out-at-wal-mart-policy--61988870

Green Day has the most popular CD in the country, but you won't be able to find it at your local Wal-Mart.

The band says the giant superstore chain refused to stock its latest CD, "21st Century Breakdown," because Wal-Mart wanted the album edited for language and content, and they refused.


"Wal-Mart's become the biggest retail outlet in the country, but they won't carry our record because they wanted us to censor it," frontman Billie Joe Armstrong said in a recent interview.


While Wal-Mart sells CDs from acts known for raunchy content, including Eminem's latest, they offer customers the "clean" version of those CDs, which are edited for content that may be objectionable. But in Armstrong's view, "There's nothing dirty about our record."

"They want artists to censor their records in order to be carried in there," he said. "We just said no. We've never done it before. You feel like you're in 1953 or something."

"21st Century Breakdown" contains curses and some references considered adult.


Wal-Mart said that it's the company's long-standing policy not to stock any CD with a parental advisory sticker.


"As with all music, it is up to the artist or label to decide if they want to market different variations of an album to sell, including a version that would remove a PA rating," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien said. "The label and artist in this case have decided not to do so, so we unfortunately can not offer the CD."


Boo hoo for Green Day. There is no law that says Wal Mart has to carry their crap.

[MrShotShot]

Bravo Wal-Mart.

I'll still buy their album though.

[LoneStarHero]

There is also no law that says I will ever buy a CD from a Wal-Mart store.

[BostonPatriot]

... and I applaud them for it. :clap::clap:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/green-day/news/green-day-lashes-out-at-wal-mart-policy--61988870



Boo hoo for Green Day. There is no law that says Wal Mart has to carry their crap.

:(( Mean Wal-Mart won't kewwy our wecords... WAAAAAHHHHH

No loss anyway.

[super cool ski instructor]

No skin off my nose...I haven't liked Green Day for over 10 years.

[Sceptic]

Easy enough to buy the album from a retailer that isn't too busy shoving its own head up its ass.

Walmart take the moral high ground?

Do they do that over their employees' rights?

Stuff em.

[AeroEngineer]

I must of missed the part where anyone was complaining?

Just looks to me that both sides refused to concede to the other. Good on them.

[mdk190]

People still pay for music? ;)

[Stuball]

... and I applaud them for it. :clap::clap:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/green-day/news/green-day-lashes-out-at-wal-mart-policy--61988870



Boo hoo for Green Day. There is no law that says Wal Mart has to carry their crap.
I agree
Wal-Mart sells enough crap

[pinqy]

Bravo Walmart??? They long ago made the business decision not to carry any CDs with a PA. That was a sound business (NOT moral) decision based on satisfying a large chunk of their customers.

Bravo to Green Day for not compromising their artistic principles for the sake of money (whether or not you like or appreciate their art). Green Day has the moral high ground here.

[Residential Bob]

Easy enough to buy the album from a retailer that isn't too busy shoving its own head up its ass.Erm . . . you do realize Wal-Mart is the most successful retailer in the world, don't you?

[JimGP20]

Bravo Walmart??? They long ago made the business decision not to carry any CDs with a PA. That was a sound business (NOT moral) decision based on satisfying a large chunk of their customers.

Bravo to Green Day for not compromising their artistic principles for the sake of money (whether or not you like or appreciate their art). Green Day has the moral high ground here.


No they don't. It's not moral high ground to insist that without profanity, it isn't art. :rolleyes:

[CaptainPike]

Wal-Mart shouldn't carry any greenday cd's because of how bad they suck.

[JimGP20]

I agree
Wal-Mart sells enough crap


The thing is... they sell pretty much the same crap that most other stores sell... they just sell more of it. :cool:

[BrittleBullet]

No they don't. It's not moral high ground to insist that without profanity, it isn't art. :rolleyes:

If you wrote an album with profanity and then released one without it to simply satisfy retailers like Wal-Mart for more record sales, it would cease to be art.......

[AutoRacer55]

The fact that this made news shows how slow the news day must have been.

[countmein]

Thank you Wal*Mart. I just don't understand why anyone would be complaining about Wal*Mart's policy, except that these are the same people dogging Wal*mart in every Wal*Mart thread started here. It's not like their not selling it is going to hurt Green Day's sales. If people want to listen to profanity set to music (?) they will still get their hands on it. If nothing else, this probably boosted Green Day's sales. Those Wal*mart haters will be out in full force purchasing this CD for the principle of it all. Green Day should be thanking Wal*Mart right now.

[mdk190]

I am glad Wal-Mart makes the moral decision for us all and decided they are our mother. They are well within there right to do so but I still it is foolish to police music.

[notluzn]

People still pay for music? ;)This guy speaks the truth. :)

[FidelisAdMortem]

Ironic. Green Day the band that whines and moans about capitalism and big corporate is complaining of their CD not being carried in a big bad Walmart.

Bunch of phonies.

[gdoane]

I am glad Wal-Mart makes the moral decision for us all and decided they are our mother. They are well within there right to do so but I still it is foolish to police music.

They're not policing music, they're policing their store inventory. Something which they have a right and responsibility to do.

What's the difference between not allowing smoking in a Wal-Mart and not allowing profanity in a Wal-Mart? Both are offensive, both pollute the inventory, both create problems for the shopping atmosphere and attitude that Wal-Mart seeks to set and protect for their consumers.

You know, Hugh Hefner of Playboy and Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazines could make the same claim of "art" that the band "Green Day" is claiming and that's still not going to get their goods sold in civilized venues.

Not all art is civilized. If Green Day wishes to make uncivilized art then they can stick to uncivilized venues.

Some of their lyrics would eat a ban on this site.

[sgdp]

I know a guy who wouldn't let his kids (10 and 13) listen to Eminem, but made them watch "Seinfeld" and "Children of the Corn."

:think:

[Remus Lupin]

Easy enough to buy the album from a retailer that isn't too busy shoving its own head up its ass.

Walmart take the moral high ground?

Do they do that over their employees' rights?

Stuff em.

As someone who works at Walmart that is a bunch of bullcrap.
I been at Walmart for over a year and while I'm not going to be making a career at the company it is proberly much beter to work than many other places.

[wayoverthehill]

I am glad Wal-Mart makes the moral decision for us all and decided they are our mother. They are well within there right to do so but I still it is foolish to police music.If Walmart were the only store where you could buy this album and they refused to carry it, your first sentence might be relevant. But since there are umpteen other outlets where you can buy this trash, those of us who don't want to hear it have just as much right to shop at a store that doesn't carry trash music.

And it's not a moral decision so much as it is a business decision. I'm pretty sure Walmart knows its customer base.

[Remus Lupin]

I am glad Wal-Mart makes the moral decision for us all and decided they are our mother. They are well within there right to do so but I still it is foolish to police music.

Walmart isn't being our mother. The company has every right to decide what they will sell and not sale. It is business.

[Theranna]

Funny how Wal*Mart Canada will still sell the album as is...

[CID_0687]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that Wally World won't carry music with profane lyrics, yet they will sell R rated movies full of violence, gore, profanity and nudity?

[gdoane]

Funny how Wal*Mart Canada will still sell the album as is...

As was mentioned before, Wal*Mart knows the customer base.

It's like the local grocery store chain "Bashas". There are actually three levels of store, "Food City" which is low end type of a store that actually puts "WIC APPROVED" on stock items for the convenience of welfare cases, "Bashas" which is basically middle class and doesn't mess with an olive bar, and "A.J.'s Fine Foods" which has wine tasting for the elite shopper.

Eddie Basha, the owner of the chain, actually ran for Governor of Arizona in 1994... AS A DEMOCRAT.

His entire business is practically a "Brave New World" structure model of a citizen caste system. Alphas, Betas, Gammas, all there in different branding.

It's all about the location. I really like the A.J.s Fine Foods because even though the stuff is priced through the roof, everybody there has at least showered recently.

You go into a Food City and some of the people there don't even own a shower.

[pinqy]

No they don't. It's not moral high ground to insist that without profanity, it isn't art. :rolleyes:
Of course not...but since nobody is making that argument you don't really have a point, do you?

My actual argument was that refusing to compromise your art for the sake of money is the moral high ground. They consider their work art, and profanity is sometimes part of that art. To change your own creation because someone else might find it offensive (and really, name me one person who would be offended by obscenities in a song that would buy Green Day) is a compromise.

[gdoane]

Of course not...but since nobody is making that argument you don't really have a point, do you?

My actual argument was that refusing to compromise your art for the sake of money is the moral high ground. They consider their work art, and profanity is sometimes part of that art. To change your own creation because someone else might find it offensive (and really, name me one person who would be offended by obscenities in a song that would buy Green Day) is a compromise.

You've just about defined MUZAK. :whistle:

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

It would have been better had Wal-Mart stated "We will not be selling any Green Day because they are Green Day." That's much better reasoning.

[ImNewHere]

People still pay for music? ;)

Just a quick post to pay homage to one of the most awesome posts I've seen in a while. Bravo!

[sgdp]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that Wally World won't carry music with profane lyrics, yet they will sell R rated movies full of violence, gore, profanity and nudity?

True! They should stop stocking condoms by the candy, too. :shifty:

[CID_0687]

True! They should stop stocking condoms by the candy, too. :shifty:
:lol:

Funny, but true.

I've got no problem with them having the policy that says "We won't sell music with profane lyrics."

But it's a double standard when they condemn that and then sell profane movies, and support premarital sex with the sell of condoms.

You can't be high and mighty about one thing yet turn a blind eye and deaf ear to another.

[sgdp]

:lol:

Funny, but true.

I've got no problem with them having the policy that says "We won't sell music with profane lyrics."

But it's a double standard when they condemn that and then sell profane movies, and support premarital sex with the sell of condoms.

You can't be high and mighty about one thing yet turn a blind eye and deaf ear to another.

I agree.

And it's gotta be confusing to the cheeeeeeeeeldren seeing the strawberry flavored condoms next to the Snickers. :think:

*Note to self: Latex is not edible*

[CID_0687]

I agree.

And it's gotta be confusing to the cheeeeeeeeeldren seeing the strawberry flavored condoms next to the Snickers. :think:

*Note to self: Latex is not edible*
Poor kids might mistake them for Fruit Rollups.

[jeepers]

I think that as a private business their consistancy is, frankly, irrelevant. They get to decide what their standards are, what their context is, and what their inventory looks like.

I don't care if they sell Green Day, and I don't care if Green Day thinks that it's music is art.

I also think that most of Green Day, sucks rocks.

File this one under 'so what'. I'm sure that those that want to buy it, can find it easily. If they can't, they have bigger issues than music availability. Like.......learning how to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

[jeepers]

Ironic. Green Day the band that whines and moans about capitalism and big corporate is complaining of their CD not being carried in a big bad Walmart.

Bunch of phonies.

Ah, perhaps they should give away their art for free. :mrgreen:

[sgdp]

Poor kids might mistake them for Fruit Rollups.

I was the smart kid who figured out they were balloons. :mrgreen:

Tasty...tasty balloons.

[CID_0687]

I think that as a private business their consistancy is, frankly, irrelevant. They get to decide what their standards are, what their context is, and what their inventory looks like.

I don't care if they sell Green Day, and I don't care if Green Day thinks that it's music is art.

I also think that most of Green Day, sucks rocks.

File this one under 'so what'. I'm sure that those that want to buy it, can find it easily. If they can't, they have bigger issues than music availability. Like.......learning how to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
It's not irrelevant...Well, I guess it is in the sense that there's nothing anyone outside their corporate offices can do about it.

And honestly I don't give a **** how they want to do business...Just seems ironic, and somewhat hypocritical to say "We won't sell music with profane lyrics, oh, but two aisles over we just got the new Saw XVI."

[Nik Notorious]

I, like a lot of other people and one famous lasagna-loving cat, hate Mondays. Nothing good ever happens on a Monday. Monday may very well be the worst day ever.

Except one, that is. Green Day. Green Day is, without a doubt, the worst day ever. I couldn't hate Green Day any more if they were to kill my parents and do a happy song about the murders. If I ever feel the need to lose a quick couple of pounds, I throw on some "Time of your Life" and vomit for a few days. The name of their first big album was a look into the future. Because everything they have ever done has, in fact, been dookie.

I have nothing to add to this thread. Just felt the need to do some venting. That damned new song of theirs is on the radio about twenty times a day and it just makes me want to throw something through my windshield.

[Remus Lupin]

I, like a lot of other people and one famous lasagna-loving cat, hate Mondays. Nothing good ever happens on a Monday. Monday may very well be the worst day ever.

Except one, that is. Green Day. Green Day is, without a doubt, the worst day ever. I couldn't hate Green Day any more if they were to kill my parents and do a happy song about the murders. If I ever feel the need to lose a quick couple of pounds, I throw on some "Time of your Life" and vomit for a few days. The name of their first big album was a look into the future. Because everything they have ever done has, in fact, been dookie.

I have nothing to add to this thread. Just felt the need to do some venting. That damned new song of theirs is on the radio about twenty times a day and it just makes me want to throw something through my windshield.

XM Radio is your friend (well for 13 bucks a month anyway)!

[Remus Lupin]

I agree.

And it's gotta be confusing to the cheeeeeeeeeldren seeing the strawberry flavored condoms next to the Snickers. :think:

*Note to self: Latex is not edible*

Thank you, Cid.
I was eating a Payday when I read that.

[sgdp]

Thank you, Cid.
I was eating a Payday when I read that.

How did CID go about stealin ma thread killa? :evil: ;)

[Techgod]

Thank God for Walmart. Without them I may have had to use my own mind to decide what to purchase.:rolleyes:

[Techgod]

When are they going to stop selling R rated films?:confused:


I guess it is only music they care about ratings? If you sing a cuss word it is worse than seeing a guy cuss before he blows a guys head off?:rolleyes:

[snagswolf]

I applaud both for not compromising.

No artist should be forced to change their art for commercial reasons, and no business should be forced to sell anything they don't want to sell.

Two thumbs up!

[Techgod]

Did I say they sell R rated films? I meant Unrated.

They sell a CD now that touts it as being "the most twisted spectator sport on Earth"

Thank God they have standards and are watching out for us.:rolleyes:

[snagswolf]

...and support premarital sex with the sell of condoms.
Married people use condoms too.

That's like claiming Walmart supports murder because they sell guns.

[snagswolf]

Thank God for Walmart. Without them I may have had to use my own mind to decide what to purchase.:rolleyes:
Are you claiming that Walmart prevents you from using your own mind to decide what to purchase?

[WhiteHatBobby]

Yet they won't carry Renée Fleming, but will carry (edited) Eminem and Christopher (Ludacris) Bridges. My voice teacher and I are two peas in the same pod and can't stand rap or rock today.

[Marleysdaddy]

Ironic. Green Day the band that whines and moans about capitalism and big corporate is complaining of their CD not being carried in a big bad Walmart.


Can you show me where Green Day was "complaining"?

[snagswolf]

Can you show me where Green Day was "complaining"?
While Armstrong, Dirnt and drummer Tre Cool are still top-sellers without Wal-Mart, Armstrong said the store's policy is disappointing, considering it has become the dominant seller of CDs with the decline of traditional music stores.

"If you think about bands that are struggling or smaller than Green Day ... to think that to get your record out in places like that, but they won't carry it because of the content and you have to censor yourself," he said. "I mean, what does that say to a young kid who's trying to speak his mind making a record for the first time? It's like a game that you have to play. You have to refuse to play it."
com·plain (k?m-plan')
1) To express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment.

I'd say that Green Day is clearly expressing their dissatisfaction with Walmart's policy.

[Techgod]

If it is music then we need a cleaned up version to sell.

If it is video then give us the nastier, unrated version.



And some applaud them because they had the guts to not sell a green day cd?


Selective censorship. Not illegal, just stupid.

[Techgod]

"Walmart's policy"

Music="Edited"-clean it up.


Movies="Unrated" -give it to us nasty.

[MrCapitalism]

No they don't. It's not moral high ground to insist that without profanity, it isn't art. :rolleyes:

Actually yes it is. They put the words in there for a reason and as extremely successful artists they have the right to demand their work stays as is.

That is rich anyhow considering that Walmart will sell you books, games and movies with profanity in them. If it is sung though! Oh god!

[Techgod]

I do support Walmart's right to be a raving hypocrite. I understand it is what their customers want.

Obviously.

[MrCapitalism]

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5013203

[gdoane]

When are they going to stop selling R rated films?:confused:


I guess it is only music they care about ratings? If you sing a cuss word it is worse than seeing a guy cuss before he blows a guys head off?:rolleyes:

Wal*Mart won't sell the worst-rated films (X-rated or MA-17), they don't sell the worst-rated video games (AO or Adults Only) and they don't sell the worst-rated music (Parental Advisory).

Green Day's rating problem here doesn't stem from Wal*Mart, it comes from the stupid record industry only having two ratings in their ratings tiers.

If you want to compare the movies to the records ratings, the comparison would only fly if movies were only rated "G" or "X" with nothing in between like CD's are.

I don't think the ratings system of the CD's are comprehensive and I don't even think the ratings system of the movies are comprehensive enough because they don't take good violence and bad violence into any accounting. A cop shooting a bad guy is considered to be as bad as a bad guy shooting a cop and that's not right.

Instead of complaining about Wal*Mart refusing to carry products with the worst industry ratings (which they consistently do) what Green Day ought to be doing is calling out RIAA and asking the very serious question of why their rating system is the least competent of any entertainment industry standard today.

There's a reason why Wal*Mart polices music CD standards and doesn't bother with Movies and Video Games. It's because those industries self-police. MPAA ratings and ESRB ratings are self-policing (even though I think they're screwy half the time) while the dumb music industry either throws a parental advisory or not.

So Green Day either winds up in the same category as Cop Killa Gangsta Rap or Disney soundtracks with nothing in between and that's Wal*Mart's fault? It's not Wal*Mart's failing that every album in the industry falls into the category of kiddie fare or porno! Fault the industry. If the music industry would make at least the half-hearted effort to self-police as other major entertainment industries do then they wouldn't have retailers trying to do the job for them.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

They are selling "The Devil's Rejects," unrated. A film that depicts graphic rape and murder. but they won't sell a Green Day CD?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5555732

Stay classy, Wal-Mart!

[birddog1]

Easy enough to buy the album from a retailer that isn't too busy shoving its own head up its ass.

Walmart take the moral high ground?

Do they do that over their employees' rights?

Stuff em.

Moral high ground, ha ha.

You can walk two aisles over and buy Scarface, one of the most profanity laden movies ever produced.

While I fully support Wal-mart's right to carry merchandise of their own choosing I would think it a little hypocritical for some other members on this thread to be slapping them on the back for taking the moral high ground when you can buy tons of other profane stuff there just not cds.

[MrCapitalism]

They are selling "The Devil's Rejects," unrated. A film that depicts graphic rape and murder. but they won't sell a Green Day CD?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5555732

Stay classy, Wal-Mart!

Its funny, I just looked at the lyrics for the album. They're pretty mild. Maybe 4-5 f-bombs on the whole album.

[snagswolf]

Wal*Mart won't sell the worst-rated films (X-rated or MA-17), they don't sell the worst-rated video games (AO or Adults Only) and they don't sell the worst-rated music (Parental Advisory).
Excellent point.

Some posters here believe that Walmart actually listened to the Green Day album before deciding to not carry it. The point isn't that Green Day is worse than The Devil's Rejects. The point is that with the rating it has, it could just have some mild swear words, or it could be the soundtrack of a porn film. Walmart can't be spending time reviewing every album that comes out and deciding where on that scale it belongs.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Excellent point.

Some posters here believe that Walmart actually listened to the Green Day album before deciding to not carry it. The point isn't that Green Day is worse than The Devil's Rejects. The point is that with the rating it has, it could just have some mild swear words, or it could be the soundtrack of a porn film. Walmart can't be spending time reviewing every album that comes out and deciding where on that scale it belongs.

They could easily tell if an unrated movie was an R at release or not.

PG or PG-13 being sold as unrated, sure why not.

But an R movie being sold as unrated is clearly at the NC-17 or greater level.

[snagswolf]

But an R movie being sold as unrated is clearly at the NC-17 or greater level.
B.S.

I watch a ton of movies, and many of them are the 'unrated' version. All 'unrated' means is that content was added, and the studio didn't go through the process of getting the new version rated. It's a marketing scheme, because the studios know that people will buy the 'unrated' version because they think something titillating might be in there. In the vast majority of the cases, 'unrated' movies are not NC-17.

While NC-17 translates into bad box office, DVDs with that rating do well. So, there would be no reason for the studios to add content that would move a film from R to NC-17, and then not submit the film to be rated.

If you disagree, then please give some examples of R movies that were released as 'unrated' on DVD, and would be considered NC-17 because of the content added.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

B.S.

I watch a ton of movies, and many of them are the 'unrated' version. All 'unrated' means is that content was added, and the studio didn't go through the process of getting the new version rated. It's a marketing scheme, because the studios know that people will buy the 'unrated' version because they think something titillating might be in there. In the vast majority of the cases, 'unrated' movies are not NC-17.

While NC-17 translates into bad box office, DVDs with that rating do well. So, there would be no reason for the studios to add content that would move a film from R to NC-17, and then not submit the film to be rated.

If you disagree, then please give some examples of R movies that were released as 'unrated' on DVD, and would be considered NC-17 because of the content added.

I already did...

Rejects went through the MPAA eight times earning an NC-17 rating every time until the last one.[5] According to Zombie, the censors had a problem with the overall tone of the film, specifically, they did not like the motel scene between Bill Moseley and Priscilla Barnes and so Zombie cut two minutes from it but restored them on the DVD version.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Rejects

[King Cantona]

And of course this Walmart boycott is going to really hurt their sales isn't it?.........:))..........

[JimGP20]

If you wrote an album with profanity and then released one without it to simply satisfy retailers like Wal-Mart for more record sales, it would cease to be art.......

If you put out an album that contains gratuitous profanity, it never was art in the first place.

[Marleysdaddy]

If you put out an album that contains gratuitous profanity, it never was art in the first place.

This is a perfect example of why the branch of philosophy called 'Aesthetics' is subjective.

Whether or not the profanity is "gratuitous" and whether or not it "was art in the first place" are both opinions.

[RTchoke]

I agree.

And it's gotta be confusing to the cheeeeeeeeeldren seeing the strawberry flavored condoms next to the Snickers. :think:

*Note to self: Latex is not edible*

That's gotta be a regional thing. There are no condoms at the checkstands at our Wal-Market. They have a nice selection in the Pharmacy though.

[JimGP20]

Poor kids might mistake them for Fruit Rollups.


No no... those are gay condoms. :cool:

[MrCapitalism]

This is a perfect example of why the branch of philosophy called 'Aesthetics' is subjective.

Whether or not the profanity is "gratuitous" and whether or not it "was art in the first place" are both opinions.

Ding.

[snagswolf]

I already did...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Rejects
I ask you to give exampleS to back up your claim that "an R movie being sold as unrated is clearly at the NC-17 or greater level", and you can only come up with one?

Sounds like you agree with me, when I said "In the vast majority of the cases, 'unrated' movies are not NC-17."

[countmein]

True! They should stop stocking condoms by the candy, too. :shifty:

I don't know about your Wal*Mart, but the condoms are no where near the candy in any Wal*Mart store I have ever been in. They either in the fem. products isle or the pharmacy area.

And Cid, not all people who use condoms are single. I am 40, have been married for over 10 years and my doc is against putting me back on the pill. We use a calander for the most part, so there are certain times we need to make a purchase for protection. :shifty: :redface:

[JimGP20]

Can you show me where Green Day was "complaining"?


"Wal-Mart's become the biggest retail outlet in the country, but they won't carry our record because they wanted us to censor it," frontman Billie Joe Armstrong said in a recent interview.

But bassist Mike Dirnt said: "As the biggest record store in the America, they should probably have an obligation to sell people the correct art."

Sure sounds like whining to me.

[Marleysdaddy]

Thanks

[JimGP20]

This is a perfect example of why the branch of philosophy called 'Aesthetics' is subjective.

Whether or not the profanity is "gratuitous" and whether or not it "was art in the first place" are both opinions.


So.... given that art is a subjective thing, Green Day's argument that their music is art is debatable.

[Big Drew]

Let's face it, folks...the real shame here is that Wal-Mart continues to sell tube tops and short shorts to fat women.

[MrCapitalism]

I ask you to give exampleS to back up your claim that "an R movie being sold as unrated is clearly at the NC-17 or greater level", and you can only come up with one?

Sounds like you agree with me, when I said "In the vast majority of the cases, 'unrated' movies are not NC-17."

I can also tell you that Team America restored the NC-17 version, as did Boys Don't Cry, Clerks and "The Cooler".

I couldn't tell you an exact percentage (I would agree that obviously the Dodgeball Unrated DVD wasn't originally NC-17) but I think it would be safe to say that at least "several" Unrated DVDs do contain material that would have made the film NC-17.

I think the MPAA rating system is terrible and would direct anyone interested toward's Kirby Dick's hillarious and devestating documentary "This film is not yet rated", ironically scoring itself a NC-17 before releasing as "Unrated". But that is another thread entirely.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I ask you to give exampleS to back up your claim that "an R movie being sold as unrated is clearly at the NC-17 or greater level", and you can only come up with one?

Sounds like you agree with me, when I said "In the vast majority of the cases, 'unrated' movies are not NC-17."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC-17_rated_films

Any of the films from this list that have an unrated version. Most all of them do.

Do I need to type out all of the titles for you?

[Marleysdaddy]

So.... given that art is a subjective thing, Green Day's argument that their music is art is debatable.

Of course.

[snagswolf]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NC-17_rated_films

Any of the films from this list that have an unrated version. Most all of them do.

Do I need to type out all of the titles for you?
Are you intentionally being dishonest, or did you not understand the question?

I asked for a list of films that were released as Rs, but then had footage added to them for their DVD release, without going back through the ratings process, and could be considered NC-17.

You made the claim that such films are "clearly at the NC-17 or greater level". A list of ALL NC-17 films is not what we're discussing.

Try again.

Oh, and BTW, you'll notice your link contains these nuggets of information:

NC-17 films also tended to make much more money on the home video/DVD market.

...

Occasionally an R-rated film will have footage added to earn an NC-17 rating and its accompanying notoriety.
If those two statements are true, (and they are), then it wouldn't make any sense for a studio to add content that changes an R into an NC-17, and then not resubmit them so they get the NC-17.

As I said, the 'unrated' is just a marketing gimmick.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Are you intentionally being dishonest, or did you not understand the question?

I asked for a list of films that were released as Rs, but then had footage added to them for their DVD release, without going back through the ratings process, and could be considered NC-17.

You made the claim that such films are "clearly at the NC-17 or greater level". A list of ALL NC-17 films is not what we're discussing.

Try again.

Oh, and BTW, you'll notice your link contains these nuggets of information:


If those two statements are true, (and they are), then it wouldn't make any sense for a studio to add content that changes an R into an NC-17, and then not resubmit them so they get the NC-17.

As I said, the 'unrated' is just a marketing gimmick.

Nearly all of those films have an unrated version where the footage that was cut in order to make them an R rating was returned for the DVD release.

[King Cantona]

Ironic. Green Day the band that whines and moans about capitalism and big corporate is complaining of their CD not being carried in a big bad Walmart.

Bunch of phonies.

They're complaining about it?.......

Really?.......

Are you sure?.......

[JimGP20]

They're complaining about it?.......

Really?.......

Are you sure?.......

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=54839251&postcount=75

[Marleysdaddy]

They're complaining about it?.......

Really?.......

Are you sure?.......

Cf. #75 and #53

[PhilRocksinOHIO.]

No skin off my nose...I haven't liked Green Day for over 10 years. No skin off mine either...I've NEVER liked them.

[captusa]

... and I applaud them for it. :clap::clap:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/green-day/news/green-day-lashes-out-at-wal-mart-policy--61988870



Boo hoo for Green Day. There is no law that says Wal Mart has to carry their crap.

How about a cheer for Green Day for foregoing possible royalties from a large marketer like Wal-Mart by resisting censorship.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

How about a cheer for Green Day for foregoing possible royalties from a large marketer like Wal-Mart by resisting censorship.

Yeah, that was a respectable move.

I wonder if they will stick with it though.

[Marleysdaddy]

How about a cheer for Green Day for foregoing possible royalties from a large marketer like Wal-Mart by resisting censorship.

It's ars gratia pecuniae, right? :mrgreen:

[scipio337]

Faux punk.

[CID_0687]

No no... those are gay condoms. :cool:
:))

[CID_0687]

I don't know about your Wal*Mart, but the condoms are no where near the candy in any Wal*Mart store I have ever been in. They either in the fem. products isle or the pharmacy area.

And Cid, not all people who use condoms are single. I am 40, have been married for over 10 years and my doc is against putting me back on the pill. We use a calander for the most part, so there are certain times we need to make a purchase for protection. :shifty: :redface:
I know not all who use condoms are single...I can't use condoms because my wife has a latex allergy....but the majority of those buying them aren't married.

Not everyone that will be buying the Green Day album are under the age of 18 either...In fact probably most will be around my age, in their mid to late 20s that have been Green Day fans since the days of Dookie.

Any given CD with a Parental Advisory sticker has no more, and often times less profanity than even a PG-13 movie, but today's standards. The movies we buy for our kids to watch are G rated and even then a "hell" or a "damn" might get slipped in there.

It's just really funny that profanity in music trumps graphically violent and profane movies...both are there for our entertainment purposes.

[Buffalo]

Faux punk.
Currently on tour sponsored by Walgreens.

Green Day is meh. Walmart is hypocritical. So what? Don't listen to Green Day, shop somewhere else.

[CID_0687]

Currently on tour sponsored by Walgreens.

Green Day is meh. Walmart is hypocritical. So what? Don't listen to Green Day, shop somewhere else.
You read my mind.

I shop at Target...prices are basically the same and there's not near the crowd...at least not at my local store.

I never bought music from Wal*Mart anyway...I always support local stores when I can, and when I was buying CDs I went to the local music store...

Now that we've moved into the MP3 age I haven't bought a CD in almost 2 years now that I have this pesky iTunes addiction.

[Buffalo]

You read my mind.

I shop at Target...prices are basically the same and there's not near the crowd...at least not at my local store.

I never bought music from Wal*Mart anyway...I always support local stores when I can, and when I was buying CDs I went to the local music store...

Now that we've moved into the MP3 age I haven't bought a CD in almost 2 years now that I have this pesky iTunes addiction.
My friends and I poured over boxes of used CDs at local shops constantly. I'd pay the extra dollar at House of Guitars or Record Archive any day. I miss those days, gone but for convenience, but had so much more, I don't know, feeling?

[CID_0687]

My friends and I poured over boxes of used CDs at local shops constantly. I'd pay the extra dollar at House of Guitars or Record Archive any day. I miss those days, gone but for convenience, but had so much more, I don't know, feeling?
Feeling...nostalgia...

I usually make one or two trips to Nashville each year, even though I no longer have the need for CDs I'll still go by Ernest Tubb's Record Shop and look around...the same old hippie has been there for years, it's always fun to pick his brain, he's a walking musical encyclopedia.

You don't get that at places like Wal*Mart or Target...The kid behind the counter can probably tell you about all thing top 40...but nothing else.

It's a shame that shopping being a personal experience has gone out the window for convenience.

[SIGuy]

Wow... for people who think that they are so worldly, there are a lot of naive people on here.

My wife owns a pet boutique and spa (fancy dog couture and grooming). Guess who decides what she carries in inventory.

Stores have policies for inventory. Their purchasing agents abide by these policies.

People with product to sell solicite purchasing agents to buy their goods. If the purchasing agents feel that the product will sell, has a decent markup, and meets the companies policies, then they will buy it for their store.

This decision is a finacnial decision. It has nothing to do with "art". It has to do with market, projecting a certain image, and protecting your branding.

Because some "artist" cannot see the forest for the trees, does not mean an "injustice" has been done. What is being done is business.

[CID_0687]

Wow... for people who think that they are so worldly, there are a lot of naive people on here.

My wife owns a pet boutique and spa (fancy dog couture and grooming). Guess who decides what she carries in inventory.

Stores have policies for inventory. Their purchasing agents abide by these policies.

People with product to sell solicite purchasing agents to buy their goods. If the purchasing agents feel that the product will sell, has a decent markup, and meets the companies policies, then they will buy it for their store.

This decision is a finacnial decision. It has nothing to do with "art". It has to do with market, projecting a certain image, and protecting your branding.

Because some "artist" cannot see the forest for the trees, does not mean an "injustice" has been done. What is being done is business.
Hypocritical business...but if that's how they wanna do it then more power to them.

[JimGP20]

You read my mind.




I can guaran-damn-tee you that they wouldn't sell THAT book at Wal Mart !! :))

[gdoane]

You read my mind.

I shop at Target...prices are basically the same and there's not near the crowd...at least not at my local store.

I never bought music from Wal*Mart anyway...I always support local stores when I can, and when I was buying CDs I went to the local music store...

Now that we've moved into the MP3 age I haven't bought a CD in almost 2 years now that I have this pesky iTunes addiction.

I bought a $50 iTunes card about 2 years ago and there's still over $20 in the account because when I buy something I want to feel it in my hands. Downloaded music onto a hard drive doesn't feel like getting anything for the money spent.

At least with a CD you can open the case, read the liner notes, look at the album art (which was much better back in the LP record days) and feel like your money was spent well.

The cover art for the Eagle's "Hotel California" simply doesn't look as impressive on a 1.5" iPod screen as it did on a full-sized LP cover. There's something lost in downloaded music.

iTunes tried to make up for it and I just about cried when I bought the Journey "ESC4PE" album and saw the puny rendition of one of the greatest album covers of all time. One of the coolest cover art albums in the history of album cover art all dinkified on my iPod Touch. It's ridiculous putting something that glorious on a screen smaller than your average Post-It note.

It'll take me 3 years to burn that $50 iTunes gift card at the rate I'm going because I like to have my hands on something when I fork over a buck for it.

[CID_0687]

I can guaran-damn-tee you that they wouldn't sell THAT book at Wal Mart !! :))
:))

Yeah, they've even got reservations about selling it at the Adult Novelty Shops.

[sgdp]

If you put out an album that contains gratuitous profanity, it never was art in the first place.

Yeah. That's why I think naked Roman statues are not art, too. :razz:

[sgdp]

That's gotta be a regional thing. There are no condoms at the checkstands at our Wal-Market. They have a nice selection in the Pharmacy though.

In my area...I have to say "Go figure." You're lucky. :))

[SIGuy]

Hypocritical business...but if that's how they wanna do it then more power to them.

Actually an incredibly successfull business.

Btw, they are not marketing to you. You probably would not set foot in a Walmart. They are very successful, however, at marketing to their target demographic. And all of there purchasing policies are directed at that demographic.

To say that they are hypocritical is a non-sequitor. The conistency that they prescribe to is to maximize profit by selling inexpensive goods to middle and working class families. Families shop in their stores, so they present products that are family friendly. This is their policy and I am sure that it is consistent. Because you don't agree with a specific application of their policies does not make them inconsistent.

[CID_0687]

I bought a $50 iTunes card about 2 years ago and there's still over $20 in the account because when I buy something I want to feel it in my hands. Downloaded music onto a hard drive doesn't feel like getting anything for the money spent.

At least with a CD you can open the case, read the liner notes, look at the album art (which was much better back in the LP record days) and feel like your money was spent well.

The cover art for the Eagle's "Hotel California" simply doesn't look as impressive on a 1.5" iPod screen as it did on a full-sized LP cover. There's something lost in downloaded music.

iTunes tried to make up for it and I just about cried when I bought the Journey "ESC4PE" album and saw the puny rendition of one of the greatest album covers of all time. One of the coolest cover art albums in the history of album cover art all dinkified on my iPod Touch. It's ridiculous putting something that glorious on a screen smaller than your average Post-It note.

It'll take me 3 years to burn that $50 iTunes gift card at the rate I'm going because I like to have my hands on something when I fork over a buck for it.
I understand where you're coming from Gene.

Album art is awesome...and with all the CDs I have I can still pick them up and look at the cover...I've got my dad's record collection too, which I agree has some awesome artwork....

But if you've got the iPod Touch, and me, I have the iPhone...we've simply gone back to the 80s...the artwork is about the same size as it was with cassette tapes. :lol:

[CID_0687]

Actually an incredibly successfull business.

Btw, they are not marketing to you. You probably would not set foot in a Walmart. They are very successful, however, at marketing to their target demographic. And all of there purchasing policies are directed at that demographic.

To say that they are hypocritical is a non-sequitor. The conistency that they prescribe to is to maximize profit by selling inexpensive goods to middle and working class families. Families shop in their stores, so they present products that are family friendly. This is their policy and I am sure that it is consistent. Because you don't agree with a specific application of their policies does not make them inconsistent.
That's the problem they aren't consistent.

You say they are geared towards the family, I believe that to be true.

But how is it consistent to say "We won't sell profane music, but we will sell R rated movies."??

That's pretty dadburn inconsistent in my book.

[JimGP20]

That's the problem they aren't consistent.

You say they are geared towards the family, I believe that to be true.

But how is it consistent to say "We won't sell profane music, but we will sell R rated movies."??

That's pretty dadburn inconsistent in my book.


"dadburn" ?!? :eek: I could have sworn I was older than you, but maybe not. :lol:

[CID_0687]

"dadburn" ?!? :eek: I could have sworn I was older than you, but maybe not. :lol:
You are...I just let my Southern show every now and then. ;)

[SIGuy]

That's the problem they aren't consistent.

You say they are geared towards the family, I believe that to be true.

But how is it consistent to say "We won't sell profane music, but we will sell R rated movies."??

That's pretty dadburn inconsistent in my book.

Could it be that working class families have no problem purchasing R rated movies, which the adults in the home will watch at appropriate times, but that the profane music is targeted at the children and not the adults? By shopping at Walmart, Mommy doesn't have to be the bad guy when her children want popular music. Again, stocking inventory for their taget demo.

See, consistency is in the eye of the beholder.

[CID_0687]

Could it be that working class families have no problem purchasing R rated movies, which the adults in the home will watch at appropriate times, but that the profane music is targeted at the children and not the adults? By shopping at Walmart, Mommy doesn't have to be the bad guy when her children want popular music. Again, stocking inventory for their taget demo.

See, consistency is in the eye of the beholder.
Yeah, cause adults aren't buying the music. And kids never watch an R rated movie. :rolleyes:

If you're going to have a policy that condemns profane entertainment, that's your right, it's a private business and you can have censorship...but to condemn one form of profane entertainment and not another is hypocrisy. Pure and simple.

[SIGuy]

Yeah, cause adults aren't buying the music. And kids never watch an R rated movie. :rolleyes:

If you're going to have a policy that condemns profane entertainment, that's your right, it's a private business and you can have censorship...but to condemn one form of profane entertainment and not another is hypocrisy. Pure and simple.

You are missing the entire point. It is not censorship. They are not making a moral judgment. They are making a finacial decision based on the moral judgment of their customers. IT IS A FINANCIAL DECISION.

If the strong majority of their customer base thought it was a good idea to sell dildos like gumballs, I am sure they would be all over the checkout line displays.

[CID_0687]

You are missing the entire point. It is not censorship. They are not making a moral judgment. They are making a finacial decision based on the moral judgment of their customers. IT IS A FINANCIAL DECISION.

If the strong majority of their customer base thought it was a good idea to sell dildos like gumballs, I am sure they would be all over the checkout line displays.
Oh I get it...They're making a generalization that everyone that shops in their stores are hypocrites...thanks for clearing that up.

[SIGuy]

:rolleyes:Oh I get it...They're making a generalization that everyone that shops in their stores are hypocrites...thanks for clearing that up.

No problem... My mother used to say, "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see." :pray:

See how that works... I get to be condesending after you get to be sarcastic. We are making progress now! :rolleyes:

[JimGP20]

Walmart will sell guns but not a cd with cuss words on it. Hypocritical. They could choose to sell to 18 year olds and over. Walmart has an absolute right to sell on their terms- People shouldn't buy music from them anyways because the selection is terrible. Cussing- Yes, its an American freedom too!

So guns are somehow profane? I don't get your comparison.


Actually I do.... you're a bleeding heart who thinks guns are evil. Right?

[CID_0687]

So guns are somehow profane? I don't get your comparison.


Actually I do.... you're a bleeding heart who thinks guns are evil. Right?
You didn't get the memo?

Guns are bad and make people do eebil things.

[CID_0687]

:rolleyes:

No problem... My mother used to say, "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see." :pray:

See how that works... I get to be condesending after you get to be sarcastic. We are making progress now! :rolleyes:
I'm a conservative dude...progress sucks.

[wayoverthehill]

That's gotta be a regional thing. There are no condoms at the checkstands at our Wal-Market. They have a nice selection in the Pharmacy though.I wondered about that too. I have shopped at Walmart for years and have NEVER seen condoms at the check-outs. Nor have I seen them at the pharmacy dept. either but that may be because I wasn't looking for them.

[wayoverthehill]

Let's face it, folks...the real shame here is that Wal-Mart continues to sell tube tops and short shorts to fat women.No, the real shame is that fat women choose to wear such garb, regardless of where they purchase it.

And I suppose you never see fat men?

Disclaimer: I'm not fat and have never worn a tube top, haven't worn shorts in 20 years. It would be unseemly for a person my age, IMO.

[wayoverthehill]

That's the problem they aren't consistent.

You say they are geared towards the family, I believe that to be true.

But how is it consistent to say "We won't sell profane music, but we will sell R rated movies."??

That's pretty dadburn inconsistent in my book.Perhaps all their policies are regional. Just like in Texas, they don't put condoms up by the checkouts, it is quite possible that they don't sell R movies or profane music either. I couldn't tell you b/c I don't buy movies or CD's. And I wouldn't know Green Day if I tripped over them.
This is just another excuse thread to bash Walmart. Mostly by people who don't shop there anyway but think they know all about it.
I'm sure Costco has it's failings too but I wouldn't speak to that because I have never shopped in one. So it would be pretty silly for me to speculate on what goes on there.

[Claymore]

Who's Green Day?

[HF917]

People still pay for music? ;)

That's what I was just thinking... :))

[Nevarwinter]

When Wal-Mart speaks, vendors listen. Why is it that all of the good stuff Wally world does is not news?

Wally World addressed the amount of air space in boxes for different products. Vendors responded by shortening up the box size. This saved boxes, therefore, weight, therefore fuel. This was an eco-friendly act that was pretty much ignored.

Wal-Mart asks "artists" to cut out the profanity or make a censored version if they want them to sell it... front page news and the greatest travesty in history.

[gdoane]

When Wal-Mart speaks, vendors listen. Why is it that all of the good stuff Wally world does is not news?

Wally World addressed the amount of air space in boxes for different products. Vendors responded by shortening up the box size. This saved boxes, therefore, weight, therefore fuel. This was an eco-friendly act that was pretty much ignored.

Wal-Mart asks "artists" to cut out the profanity or make a censored version if they want them to sell it... front page news and the greatest travesty in history.

My take on it goes like this: Green Day are not just artists, but also performers. They made a name for themselves doing covers of songs by "The Ramones" to please their audience.

Performers are supposed to do what the audience wants. The audience effectively pays their salary. A performer without an audience is what? A starving artist?

I remember a long time ago there was a Charlie Daniel's song called "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" and the lyrics in question went like this:

The devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat.
He laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet.
Johnny said: "Devil just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a gun, I'm the best that's ever been."

Now, the original version wasn't "son of a gun". The song is famous enough that I don't think I have to say what the original lyrics before the final verse were.

The point is, as a performer, the Charlie Daniels band bent the performance for their audience. Good performers do that.

For another example, I went to an Eagles concert in Phoenix and they changed the lyrics when they did "Take It Easy".

Instead of singing "Well I'm standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona, and such a fine sight to see, there's a girl my Lord in a flatbed Ford slowin' down to take a look at me" the Eagles, LIVE ONSTAGE, sang "standing on a corner in PHOENIX Arizona" and the audience went wild. That's what the lyric should have been all along. What really cracked me up was the concert was in Glendale, Arizona at the Jobing.com Arena where the Phoenix Coyotes NHL team plays home games. Glendale isn't Phoenix, it's a bedroom suburbia neighbor barely West of Phoenix. Glendale is like Phoenix Lite. The "Phoenix" Hockey team moved there for the same reason most people move to Glendale. You're in Phoenix but not paying Phoenix tax rates.


Now, I don't hate on Green Day although soft punk isn't my favorite music (Country/Southern Rock is) but I've seen acts like Charlie Daniels and The Eagles modify lyrics to suit their audience and quite frankly, Green Day isn't even in their league.

What this does is supposed to elevate my respect for them as artists fighting "the machine" but what it really does is lower my regard for them as performers who don't respect their audience.

I can respect the artist and critique the performance. Which I do here, I think Green Day can keep their lyrics and still perform for various audience demands if they were truly decent musicians.

Heck, even the Blues Brothers played a country bar. :doh:

[RTchoke]

I wondered about that too. I have shopped at Walmart for years and have NEVER seen condoms at the check-outs. Nor have I seen them at the pharmacy dept. either but that may be because I wasn't looking for them.

I wasn't exactly looking either. :razz: I just turned the corner into the next aisle in the pharmacy area and there they were. :mrgreen:

Definitely has to be a regional thing.

[JeffR]

I will never, ever buy a CD from Wal-Mart. I while back, I bought a cassette that had the profanity edited out. There was nothing that indicated that on the packaging. Never again.

[JimGP20]

I will never, ever buy a CD from Wal-Mart. I while back, I bought a cassette that had the profanity edited out. There was nothing that indicated that on the packaging. Never again.

Yeah... I bet that song was so much better with the **** **** ************ in it. :rolleyes:

[Dr. Funkenstein]

They're not policing music, they're policing their store inventory. Something which they have a right and responsibility to do.

What's the difference between not allowing smoking in a Wal-Mart and not allowing profanity in a Wal-Mart? Both are offensive, both pollute the inventory, both create problems for the shopping atmosphere and attitude that Wal-Mart seeks to set and protect for their consumers.

You know, Hugh Hefner of Playboy and Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazines could make the same claim of "art" that the band "Green Day" is claiming and that's still not going to get their goods sold in civilized venues.

Not all art is civilized. If Green Day wishes to make uncivilized art then they can stick to uncivilized venues.

Some of their lyrics would eat a ban on this site.

7-11 is uncivilized? :think:

[pinqy]

I remember a long time ago there was a Charlie Daniel's song called "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" and the lyrics in question went like this:

The devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat.
He laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Johnny's feet.
Johnny said: "Devil just come on back if you ever want to try again.
"I told you once, you son of a gun, I'm the best that's ever been."

Now, the original version wasn't "son of a gun". The song is famous enough that I don't think I have to say what the original lyrics before the final verse were.

The point is, as a performer, the Charlie Daniels band bent the performance for their audience. Good performers do that.
Nit-picking, but Mr. Daniels didn't change the lyrics to "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" or the lyrics to "Long-Haired Country Boy" to cater to his audience, but to his own change in belief. Daniels was born-again sometime in the 80's (I think) and it was that change that made him consider some of his lyrics to be no longer appropriate. He refused to sing "Long Haired Country Boy" at all for many years due to its references to drugs and alcohol and now sings a version which eliminates some of those references. Clearly his right as a performer to change his own songs.

Back to the OP, I think it's misleading to say that Wal-mart is refusing to sell Green Day's new album because it wasn't a decision based on the album at all...the content is irrelevant, the only relevant fact is that it carries a PA sticker and Wal-mart won't sell any cd with a PA sticker. The story really is that Green Day refuses to change their album to meet Wal-mart's criteria for stocking an cd.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Yeah... I bet that song was so much better with the **** **** ************ in it. :rolleyes:

Lily Allen does a song called "**** You"

It loses something in its edited form...although it is FUNNIER in its edited form (there's horse braying, and some other random funny noises thrown in, to cover the f-bombs in the song)

[JimGP20]

7-11 is uncivilized? :think:

Pretty much. I can't understand why a place that is open 24-7 has a lock on the front door. :confused:

[JimGP20]

Lily Allen does a song called "**** You"

It loses something in its edited form...although it is FUNNIER in its edited form (there's horse braying, and some other random funny noises thrown in, to cover the f-bombs in the song)

My point is, that why do the "artists" feel a need to have profanity in their songs? Instead of "**** You", she could have done a song titled "Hey... I Don't Like You very Much" :lol:

[slick_trip]

am i the only one that applauds both walmart and green day?

what i've read hasn't been inflammatory any more than both sides saying they're sticking to their convictions...which i think is to be commended that they both can see the right of the other to choose their path.

[MrCapitalism]

My point is, that why do the "artists" feel a need to have profanity in their songs? Instead of "**** You", she could have done a song titled "Hey... I Don't Like You very Much" :lol:

Profanity is really in the eye of the beholder isn't it? To be honest, that is why many TV cop shows bother me in a way the Wire never did. That is a case where edited profanity really does hurt a piece of art/entertainment.

[wayoverthehill]

I wasn't exactly looking either. :razz: I just turned the corner into the next aisle in the pharmacy area and there they were. :mrgreen:

Definitely has to be a regional thing.Oh yeah, I've seen them in the pharmacy section since the WM I frequent has been remodeled b/c you no longer have to actually go IN the pharmacy section, just go past it. It's been enlarged and made more accessible.

[Apatriot]

Yet they won't carry Renée Fleming, but will carry (edited) Eminem and Christopher (Ludacris) Bridges. My voice teacher and I are two peas in the same pod and can't stand rap or rock today.

They don't carry Renee Fleming because the demand for opera isn't that high.....

[Apatriot]

Pretty much. I can't understand why a place that is open 24-7 has a lock on the front door. :confused:

They used to close on Christmas and Thanksgiving.....

[bbt630]

Kudos to both Wal Mart and Green Day for sticking strong to their convictions.

I can't believe this thread is 14 pages long, when nothing more needs to be said.

[HF917]

They used to close on Christmas and Thanksgiving.....

Depends on the area. They close on both days here. :razz:

[HF917]

My point is, that why do the "artists" feel a need to have profanity in their songs? Instead of "**** You", she could have done a song titled "Hey... I Don't Like You very Much" :lol:

:)) I know the answer to this question of yours.

It's because many "artists" have nothing artistic to offer so they would rather yell out nasty words that get attention when there's nothing of substance behind those nasty words to begin with. It's almost like that 12 year old who says nasty words because he wants to look like one of the "cool" kids.

[JimGP20]

Profanity is really in the eye of the beholder isn't it? To be honest, that is why many TV cop shows bother me in a way the Wire never did. That is a case where edited profanity really does hurt a piece of art/entertainment.

No... profanity is profanity no matter who the beholder is. It's just that some folks think it's OK, and some don't, but it's still profanity.

[gdoane]

7-11 is uncivilized? :think:

That's one of the top ten places to go if you're looking to get mugged. If I'm at a 7-11 after sundown then you'd better believe I've got a .380 or better in my pocket. I don't feel like dying today and the creeps hanging around a 7-11 are looking to mug somebody like me.

Sure, I'm a little paranoid. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. Kidnapping capitol of the USA. Have you ever heard of an "express kidnapping"?

Here's how it works. Kidnappers make you pay your own ransom. They take your debit card and demand your PIN number. If you refuse then they cut off a finger. Most people don't refuse ten times. Then they throw you in a car trunk (probably your own car) and then drive to ATM machines maxing out your daily withdrawal limit. It simply wouldn't do to have your body found before your bank account is emptied. That sort of thing causes debit cards to be cancelled all too soon for the bandits.

So I'm too careful to be in the parking lot of a 7-11 after hours without a pistol. It's an uncivilized place. Any man in an uncivilized place had best be prepared to deal with uncivilized people, and that means a loaded gun in your fist.

[JeffR]

Yeah... I bet that song was so much better with the **** **** ************ in it. :rolleyes:
I prefer the uncensored work of the artist. I would have had no problem if it was clearly labeled that it was edited.

[CID_0687]

Nit-picking, but Mr. Daniels didn't change the lyrics to "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" or the lyrics to "Long-Haired Country Boy" to cater to his audience, but to his own change in belief. Daniels was born-again sometime in the 80's (I think) and it was that change that made him consider some of his lyrics to be no longer appropriate. He refused to sing "Long Haired Country Boy" at all for many years due to its references to drugs and alcohol and now sings a version which eliminates some of those references. Clearly his right as a performer to change his own songs.

Back to the OP, I think it's misleading to say that Wal-mart is refusing to sell Green Day's new album because it wasn't a decision based on the album at all...the content is irrelevant, the only relevant fact is that it carries a PA sticker and Wal-mart won't sell any cd with a PA sticker. The story really is that Green Day refuses to change their album to meet Wal-mart's criteria for stocking an cd.
You're wrong.

The original album version of "Devil Went Down to Georgia" had "You SOB" in it...however, the original single played on the radio always had "you son of a gun." I've got the original LP...and, it was only about 5 years ago or so that I remember hearing the LP version on radio.

You are correct about Charlie Daniels finding Christ and changing some of his lyrics, it was in the 90s...but it was "son of a gun" long before that.

[HF917]

You are correct about Charlie Daniels finding Christ and changing some of his lyrics, it was in the 90s...but it was "son of a gun" long before that.

Same thing happened with Prince. He no longer uses curse words because he is now very, very religious. :razz: I kinda liked him with all the cursing.. :))

[CID_0687]

Same thing happened with Prince. He no longer uses curse words because he is now very, very religious. :razz: I kinda liked him with all the cursing.. :))
Geez...he must've had to rewrite all of his songs...did he ever sing one that didn't have to do with sex?

[JimGP20]

Geez...he must've had to rewrite all of his songs...did he ever sing one that didn't have to do with sex?


Maybe "Little Red Corvette" is actually about a car now. :think:

[countmein]

Growing up, I heard both versions of "Devil Went Down to Georgia" (SOB and SOAG) on the radio. It all depended on what station you were listening to. This still goes on today. For example, Nickelback's "Rockstar" has two versions. One version bleeps out the word drugs and something else. You hear it on some of the stations. Some of the other stations play the full version with everything in it.