Ban Michael Vick from the NFL

[czzzaar]

The dog killer gets out of prison today and already jerks are calling for him to be given the opportunity to earn millions playing in the NFL.

The man is scum and should not get to be a celebrity. I going to write the NFL and tell them what I think. I will never watch a game that despicable piece of trash plays in.

[pattyk]

I totally agree! let him clean toilets and scrub floors on weekends and nights at a humane society. he is total scum and I will also write the NFL.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Interesting.

Are you calling for ALL ex-felons who have served their time to be banned, or just Michael Vick?

Because really...is what he did worse than what Leonard Little did?

Or Randy McMichael?

[super cool ski instructor]

The NFL is full of thugs.....which is why I don't watch it.

[gpd®]

Funny, people get banned here and they beg their way back.

I wonder if those same people want Vick permanently banned.

I say give him a long time out and allow him to contribute to the public good and then bring him back.

[Finality]

Also, ban Sarah Palin from the NFL, that dang moose-killer! :mrgreen:

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The NFL is full of thugs.....which is why I don't watch it.

I thought it was just because the Lions were always blacked out

[super cool ski instructor]

I thought it was just because the Lions were always blacked out

:mad: Don't **** me off D!!! :mad:

[Dual867PowerMac]

The man is scum and should not get to be a celebrity. I going to write the NFL and tell them what I think. I will never watch a game that despicable piece of trash plays in.
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? -Mt. 7:1-3 (RSVCE)

[Apatriot]

The dog killer gets out of prison today and already jerks are calling for him to be given the opportunity to earn millions playing in the NFL.

The man is scum and should not get to be a celebrity. I going to write the NFL and tell them what I think. I will never watch a game that despicable piece of trash plays in.

No team in their right mind will hire him.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

No team in their right mind will hire him.

This is why we still have Al Davis and Jerry Jones.

And you forget...the NFL will take a guy with issues if he can produce. If he can still run and throw like he used to, he'll get work in someone's form of the Wildcat. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone picked him up and called him a WR so they wouldn't be subject to the "3rd string QB" rule where if the 3rd string QB plays before the 1st quarter the 1st and 2nd string QB's are done for the game.

[gpd®]

This is why we still have Al Davis and Jerry Jones.

And you forget...the NFL will take a guy with issues if he can produce. If he can still run and throw like he used to, he'll get work in someone's form of the Wildcat. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone picked him up and called him a WR so they wouldn't be subject to the "3rd string QB" rule where if the 3rd string QB plays before the 1st quarter the 1st and 2nd string QB's are done for the game.

Zactly!

[snagswolf]

The man paid the debt society determined his crime was worth. I have no problem with him playing again.

Now, if he was applying to work at a kennel, I'd think twice about that.

BTW, there's a good number of wife-beaters in the NFL. Are you writing letters to have them kicked out too? Or is killing a dog worse than punching a woman?

[I am the Eggman]

No team in their right mind will hire him.

So you're saying the Jets will pick him up? ;)

[czzzaar]

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? -Mt. 7:1-3 (RSVCE)

Do you believe that or are you talking out of your sphincter?

People have to make judgments about other people many times a day just to survive.

If a child molester does his time does that mean we should allow him to go back to his job as a priest or crossing guard?

Michael Vick is a vicious violent criminal and should not be allowed the privilege of returning to sports god status, but I am not suggesting that he be damned to hell over this particular sin.

[czzzaar]

The man paid the debt society determined his crime was worth. I have no problem with him playing again.

Now, if he was applying to work at a kennel, I'd think twice about that.

BTW, there's a good number of wife-beaters in the NFL. Are you writing letters to have them kicked out too? Or is killing a dog worse than punching a woman?


Get the wife beaters out of there too. They bust a guys ass for smoking pot, which is worse in your mind?

[signcut]

The self-righteous will always abound, and hold their worth higher than their fellow's, as well as higher than their fellow's do... :cool:

[czzzaar]

The self-righteous will always abound, and hold their worth higher than their fellow's, as well as higher than their fellow's do... :cool:

And some idiots put sports over values and morality.

[Dual867PowerMac]

The man paid the debt society determined his crime was worth. I have no problem with him playing again.
I agree.

[Floydian]

Get the wife beaters out of there too. They bust a guys ass for smoking pot, which is worse in your mind?

Definitely the pot smoker. Ricky Williams is a danger to society. /sarcasm off.

[snagswolf]

Get the wife beaters out of there too.
Better start writing those letters now. You've got a lot to write.

They bust a guys ass for smoking pot, which is worse in your mind?
They kick guys out of the NFL for smoking pot?

When did that happen?

[uncledoom]

After his required incarceration and probation, he should be afforded the same opportunity to earn a living just as the other felons in the NFL.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Do you believe that or are you talking out of your sphincter?

People have to make judgments about other people many times a day just to survive.

If a child molester does his time does that mean we should allow him to go back to his job as a priest or crossing guard?

Michael Vick is a vicious violent criminal and should not be allowed the privilege of returning to sports god status, but I am not suggesting that he be damned to hell over this particular sin.

It's not wrong to judge. But remember the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:2: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." You'll reap what you sow (Gal. 6:7-8). If you are swift and harsh in judging others, then God will see to it that you receive the same from others. Hasn't God been merciful to you when you probably didn't deserve mercy? Haven't you done things for which you thought for certain you'd get into a lot of trouble over and regretted deeply and not gotten into trouble or were given a second chance? Was God not merciful to you then?

[RogerDodger]

Are you calling for ALL ex-felons who have served their time to be banned


Yes

[czzzaar]

It's not wrong to judge. But remember the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:2: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." You'll reap what you sow (Gal. 6:7-8). If you are swift and harsh in judging others, then God will see to it that you receive the same from others. Hasn't God been merciful to you when you probably didn't deserve mercy? Haven't you done things for which you thought for certain you'd get into a lot of trouble over and regretted deeply and not gotten into trouble or were given a second chance? Was God not merciful to you then?

Actually, no. I've never murdered a dog or run an illegal gambling ring, or dealt drugs or anything of that nature, so it would be pretty hard to judge me on that, wouldn't it?

I don't believe you actually believe the crap you are spewing here.

[czzzaar]

After his required incarceration and probation, he should be afforded the same opportunity to earn a living just as the other felons in the NFL.

We register sex offenders after they do their time don't we?

Michael Vick is scum.

[BrittleBullet]

We register sex offenders after they do their time don't we?

Michael Vick is scum.

But players aren't banned from the NFL solely because they're scumbags. Now if their actions are detrimental to the image that the NFL is trying to sell, that is a problem. Vick has paid for his crime so I don't care if the NFL figures that they will put more butts in the seats by having him on the field than keeping him off.

[notluzn]

He's not the only one but rather the only one that got caught.

[uncledoom]

We register sex offenders after they do their time don't we?

Michael Vick is scum.

Scum with God-given abilities that just may land him back on an NFL roster. As bad is Vick is, he wasn't responsible for the death of anyone.

[smyrna]

The man paid the debt society determined his crime was worth. I have no problem with him playing again.

Now, if he was applying to work at a kennel, I'd think twice about that.

BTW, there's a good number of wife-beaters in the NFL. Are you writing letters to have them kicked out too? Or is killing a dog worse than punching a woman?

Or all those that have been involved in abortions? Do we actually place more value to the life of a dog than an unborn child?
:shhh: Killing a dog is...illegal.:rolleyes:

[signcut]

And some idiots put sports over values and morality.

:))


Dude, you're going to pop a blood vessel with all this self-righteousness.

Face it, if you've ever made a mistake, no matter how big or small, and felt that after paying whatever the price was for it, you wanted to be able to put it behind you. That is what is happening here, except 'it's different'. Well, of course it's different, it isn't you; therefore, holding whatever someone has done over their head for the rest of their life is perfectly fine.

Now, before you make another idiotic statement like the one above, I think Vick is a dirtbag. That shouldn't preclude him from making a living in whatever way he wishes, that employers are willing to pay him for, whether as a garbageman or a football player.

Values and morality? You mean like the Christian values of forgiveness of sin (Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us) and love (Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself)? Seems that you're the one who has forgotten those, or chosen to forget that they apply to all of us, not just those who we like.

[signcut]

It's not wrong to judge. But remember the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:2: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." You'll reap what you sow (Gal. 6:7-8). If you are swift and harsh in judging others, then God will see to it that you receive the same from others. Hasn't God been merciful to you when you probably didn't deserve mercy? Haven't you done things for which you thought for certain you'd get into a lot of trouble over and regretted deeply and not gotten into trouble or were given a second chance? Was God not merciful to you then?

Nice post, Mac, but... there are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

And some idiots put sports over values and morality.

http://firstorderhistorians.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/glasshouses.jpg

Careful with that stone there...

[JudasGoat]

may his jock strap contract a bad case of the jungle rot...

[snagswolf]

Vick's parole officer:

http://home.comcast.net/~sdwolf/DogMuscles_s.jpg

[Remus Lupin]

No team in their right mind will hire him.

There will be teams that will! No doubt about it!

[5thIDSoldier]

I believe he has a lifetime suspension, which pretty much kills a return to the NFL.....

[signcut]

It's under consideration, according to Goodell.


I'd bet that it will be lifted.

[czzzaar]

:))


Dude, you're going to pop a blood vessel with all this self-righteousness.

Face it, if you've ever made a mistake, no matter how big or small, and felt that after paying whatever the price was for it, you wanted to be able to put it behind you. That is what is happening here, except 'it's different'. Well, of course it's different, it isn't you; therefore, holding whatever someone has done over their head for the rest of their life is perfectly fine.

Now, before you make another idiotic statement like the one above, I think Vick is a dirtbag. That shouldn't preclude him from making a living in whatever way he wishes, that employers are willing to pay him for, whether as a garbageman or a football player.

Values and morality? You mean like the Christian values of forgiveness of sin (Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us) and love (Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself)? Seems that you're the one who has forgotten those, or chosen to forget that they apply to all of us, not just those who we like.

Who said anything about Christian values? There is such a thing as morality in the absence of religion, you know.

[czzzaar]

http://firstorderhistorians.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/glasshouses.jpg

Careful with that stone there...

What I am objecting to in Vick is his violent, street thug nature. If this was about smoking dope or snorting cocaine I wouldn't give a damn.

[shaveking]

I'm sorry, killing a dog really isn't that big a deal.

[signcut]

Who said anything about Christian values? There is such a thing as morality in the absence of religion, you know.

Granted.



So, you've never done anything wrong, and felt like it was held over your head longer than was necessary, even after you apologized, or whatever?

Not killing a dog, but anything.

I can answer that, because the answer is the same for every person over the age of about ten on the entire planet; yeah, you have. And yet, and yet... here you are, blathering about how that's okay to do to someone else, because... well, apparently because it isn't you.

Fine reasoning.




Then, you try to cloak the imbecility of that argument in an appeal to morality.

Another fine example of reason.







:rolleyes:

[ScottFree]

Assuming the man atones for what he did wrong, and he can move forward as a sincere, repentant spokesman for the humane treatment of pets, then I see no reason why he can't play football again. People make foolish mistakes in their lives. Assuming he has learned something from his experiences, and he wishes to share those experiences, if his intent is to teach others for the greater good, then IMO, allowing him his celebrity would go much further in helping to make a better world for pets, than would denying him to be that celebrity.

[czzzaar]

Granted.



So, you've never done anything wrong, and felt like it was held over your head longer than was necessary, even after you apologized, or whatever?

Not killing a dog, but anything.

I can answer that, because the answer is the same for every person over the age of about ten on the entire planet; yeah, you have. And yet, and yet... here you are, blathering about how that's okay to do to someone else, because... well, apparently because it isn't you.

Fine reasoning.


Then, you try to cloak the imbecility of that argument in an appeal to morality.

Another fine example of reason.


:rolleyes:


Sure, I've made mistakes in my life but nothing that rated being held over my head for any length of time. Never been arrested, and really, never been in any kind of trouble at all. My parents brought me up better than that and I suspect that there are tens of millions, perhaps billions of people that have lived out there lives over history that have not sadistically killed domestic animals for entertainment.

I certainly don't believe that you are in a position to speak for everyone on the planet over the age of 10.

There are MANY things I have not done because of my concern for how it would affect the feelings of other people.

Perhaps you can supply some examples of that kind of behavior?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

What I am objecting to in Vick is his violent, street thug nature. If this was about smoking dope or snorting cocaine I wouldn't give a damn.

So it's just violent criminals you want out of the league?

There are going to be a lot of pink slips next week...

[czzzaar]

Assuming the man atones for what he did wrong, and he can move forward as a sincere, repentant spokesman for the humane treatment of pets, then I see no reason why he can't play football again. People make foolish mistakes in their lives. Assuming he has learned something from his experiences, and he wishes to share those experiences, if his intent is to teach others for the greater good, then IMO, allowing him his celebrity would go much further in helping to make a better world for pets, than would denying him to be that celebrity.

Has Vick sincerely made that kind of statement of contrition? If he has I haven't heard about it. It's a little late now for that kind of thing.

Vick has already made a fine example of what happens to people that engage in that kind of inhumane brutality.

[czzzaar]

So it's just violent criminals you want out of the league?

There are going to be a lot of pink slips next week...

Are there many the league that rise to that level of brutality?

I don't know about them if there are, but perhaps you can name those who've committed crimes that rise to that level.

What have you got?

[signcut]

Sure, I've made mistakes in my life but nothing that rated being held over my head for any length of time. Never been arrested, and really, never been in any kind of trouble at all. My parents brought me up better than that and I suspect that there are tens of millions, perhaps billions of people that have lived out there lives over history that have not sadistically killed domestic animals for entertainment.

I certainly don't believe that you are in a position to speak for everyone on the planet over the age of 10.

There are MANY things I have not done because of my concern for how it would affect the feelings of other people.

Perhaps you can supply some examples of that kind of behavior?

Perhaps you'd like to pull your head out your dufflebag...?


As I clearly stated, to anyone with any semblance of reading comprehension, if you have done "[I]anything]/I]" that you had held over you longer than you thought was warranted, even after apologizing, then you have no room to talk. I'm willing to bet that you're saying that it hasn't ever happened is an prime example of speaking from an orifice not designed for it.

If you really believe that there are people out there that will say that they've never had something held against them, longer than was warranted, then you are indeed living in a different world. I wonder, what color is the sky there...? :rolleyes:

[signcut]

Has Vick sincerely made that kind of statement of contrition? If he has I haven't heard about it. It's a little late now for that kind of thing.

Vick has already made a fine example of what happens to people that engage in that kind of inhumane brutality.

Maybe you ought to try reading the news, instead of just blathering.


And everyong KNOWS that once an act is done, there can be no contrition, no regret, nothing of the sort. Well, according to you, anyway...


:rolleyes:

[captusa]

Do you believe that or are you talking out of your sphincter?

People have to make judgments about other people many times a day just to survive.

If a child molester does his time does that mean we should allow him to go back to his job as a priest or crossing guard?

Michael Vick is a vicious violent criminal and should not be allowed the privilege of returning to sports god status, but I am not suggesting that he be damned to hell over this particular sin.

If Michael Vick was a child molester it would be reason not to rehire him as a child care-giver or a crossing guard.
As was pointed out, there would be reason not to grant him a license to run a kennel but I see no reason he should be denied the right to play football.

[czzzaar]

Perhaps you'd like to pull your head out your dufflebag...?


As I clearly stated, to anyone with any semblance of reading comprehension, if you have done "[I]anything]/I]" that you had held over you longer than you thought was warranted, even after apologizing, then you have no room to talk. I'm willing to bet that you're saying that it hasn't ever happened is an prime example of speaking from an orifice not designed for it.

If you really believe that there are people out there that will say that they've never had something held against them, longer than was warranted, then you are indeed living in a different world. I wonder, what color is the sky there...? :rolleyes:

I'm looking out the window and it's blue.

What have you done that's been held over your head for longer than YOU think was deserved? Any punishments I might have received in life were deserved and appropriate and not unduly held over my head. I've never committed a felony or even serious misdemeanor so I don't have a criminal record. Nor have I done anything to anyone that would make them truly hate or despise me, although, I can see now how I might be getting under your guilt ridden skin.

[czzzaar]

If Michael Vick was a child molester it would be reason not to rehire him as a child care-giver or a crossing guard.
As was pointed out, there would be reason not to grant him a license to run a kennel but I see no reason he should be denied the right to play football.

The man had it made. He didn't need the money, but he enjoyed doing this. I simply don't think he should be given the opportunity to go back to that life, 'cause there is something seriously wrong with him.

[signcut]

I'm looking out the window and it's blue.

What have you done that's been held over your head for longer than YOU think was deserved? Any punishments I might have received in life were deserved and appropriate and not unduly held over my head. I've never committed a felony or even serious misdemeanor so I don't have a criminal record. Nor have I done anything to anyone that would make them truly hate or despise me, although, I can see now how I might be getting under your guilt ridden skin.

Yet again you demonstrate a lack of basic reading comprehension.


I'm not guilt-ridden, I'm annoyed by stupidity.

[ScottFree]

Has Vick sincerely made that kind of statement of contrition? If he has I haven't heard about it. It's a little late now for that kind of thing.

Vick has already made a fine example of what happens to people that engage in that kind of inhumane brutality.

I am not saying that he has as of yet, but if you listened to Roger Goodell's comments on Vick's possible return, I think this is what Goddell was implying. I am certain, if Vick knows what is good for him, there will be several public addresses forth coming. Maybe even some morning talk show mea culpas, before he even thinks of approaching Goodell.

[mdk190]

I find it odd that NFL will let players that smack around their wives back in the league but wouldn't let someone back for dog fighting. Seems silly. People don't care if harm is done to other humans but it is a whole different ballgame when puppies and kitties are brought into the mix.

[signcut]

The man had it made. He didn't need the money, but he enjoyed doing this. I simply don't think he should be given the opportunity to go back to that life, 'cause there is something seriously wrong with him.

Your best statement yet.

[czzzaar]

Yet again you demonstrate a lack of basic reading comprehension.


I'm not guilt-ridden, I'm annoyed by stupidity.

You obviously have some kind of issues to deal with. I don't agree with your ****ed up opinions so I'm stupid and can't read?

[Snagglepuss]

Rather than ban him, why not let the free market work? If a team decides the extra baggage he brings along is worth it, let 'em hire him. If the fans are that against it, let 'em stop paying for tickets to see whatever team hires him.

[czzzaar]

Your best statement yet.

That's what I've been saying all along, Pal. I've been expressing MY opinion. You've been calling me names.

[czzzaar]

I am not saying that he has as of yet, but if you listened to Roger Goodell's comments on Vick's possible return, I think this is what Goddell was implying. I am certain, if Vick knows what is good for him, there will be several public addresses forth coming. Maybe even some morning talk show mea culpas, before he even thinks of approaching Goodell.

Sure, let him go on the view and let's see how the yenta's treat him.

[captusa]

The man had it made. He didn't need the money, but he enjoyed doing this. I simply don't think he should be given the opportunity to go back to that life, 'cause there is something seriously wrong with him.

You're right.
He should not be allowed to re-enter the business of breeding and/or fighting Pit Bulls.
I don't see why he should not return to football.
The time he spent in jail added to the effect of his absense during his most productive years is a severe punishment.
It would be more reasonable to prevent Martha Stewart from owning stocks because of her conviction.
She had it made, she didn't need the money she made from insider trading and she not only cost herself several millions but also lost millions for her stock holders.

As far as football is concerned, remember "It's only a game."

[czzzaar]

"It's only a game."



And yet people are paid millions to play it. Some people's lives revolve around it. I know people that are consumed by professional sports. Maybe it's not really, just a game.

[captusa]

rather than ban him, why not let the free market work? If a team decides the extra baggage he brings along is worth it, let 'em hire him. If the fans are that against it, let 'em stop paying for tickets to see whatever team hires him.

exactly!!!!!

[signcut]

You obviously have some kind of issues to deal with. I don't agree with your ****ed up opinions so I'm stupid and can't read?

No, apparently you can't read, I won't argue with your own assessment of your capacities, and on top of all that, you don't agree with my opinions.

[signcut]

That's what I've been saying all along, Pal. I've been expressing MY opinion. You've been calling me names.

Where was that?




And you obviously missed the highlight...


*sigh*

[TinCan]

The dog killer gets out of prison today and already jerks are calling for him to be given the opportunity to earn millions playing in the NFL.

The man is scum and should not get to be a celebrity. I going to write the NFL and tell them what I think. I will never watch a game that despicable piece of trash plays in.

I say let the man make ammends and put his "celebrity" to good use. Instead of turning him into a burden on society, lets give him a shot to redeem himself and become an asset to society. He could make an excellent spokesperson for the ASPCA, troubled youths, etc. The man has paid his time and an extremely hefty price for his folly.

[AvgGuyIA]

Society thinks dogs are more important than humans. What Vick is was wrong, but those were HIS dogs...his property. He paid the price and now there is no good reason to deprive him of his only livelihood which had nothing to do with his treatment of dogs.

[czzzaar]

Society thinks dogs are more important than humans. What Vick is was wrong, but those were HIS dogs...his property. He paid the price and now there is no good reason to deprive him of his only livelihood which had nothing to do with his treatment of dogs.

I don't feel sorry for Vick, and the NFL seemed to thing there was good reason to ban him in the first place.