Things that are no longer 'Bush's fault'

[Mortis]

The Patriot Act,
wiretaps,
e-mail intercepts,
military tribunals,
Predator drone attacks,
Iraq,
Afghanistan
and now Guantánamo

Since they're all still going on, being continued by a Democrat President and a Democrat House and Senate.

[Mojotiger]

The difference is now these are all good things. They ceased being evil and sinister on Jan 20th, 2009.

[Manager]

It won't matter, Bush will still be blamed for everything negative no matter what this clown in office does...

[Mortis]

The difference is now these are all good things. They ceased being evil and sinister on Jan 20th, 2009.

Bingo!

We have a winner!

[Trinka]

Yes...All True...BUT...You know....BUUUUSSSHHH started it all...Sooooo it just has to be HIS fault!

[pattyk]

trillions upon trillions of debt is not Bush either.

but the moron "of chief" will never take responsibility for anything.

he's setting this country up for a fall.

[OIVORY]

Can we still blame illegal immigration on Bush?

[Celtic Pax]

Most dems and libs cannot identify hypocrisy when they do it but scream loudly when conservatives or repubs do it. Then again, they probably can't even spell it much less admit it to themselves.

[Mortis]

Patty, but he WANTED to close Gitmo, but those BASTARDS in the Senate just won't let him!!

It's not his fault!!

[Celtic Pax]

Can we still blame illegal immigration on Bush?Not any more, it's :liar:bama's watch now.

[nortman]

I think that it should be pointed out (not that anyone on the right needs this pointed out to them) the President Obama is contining this while he has a filibuster-proof majority. So, it's not like the Dems can blame the GOP for stalling any attempts to stop these horrible atrocities.

[Mortis]

I think that it should be pointed out (not that anyone on the right needs this pointed out to them) the President Obama is contining this while he has a filibuster-proof majority. So, it's not like the Dems can blame the GOP for stalling any attempts to stop these horrible atrocities.

It's obviously Darth Cheney's fault.

[slick_trip]

The Patriot Act,
wiretaps,
e-mail intercepts,
military tribunals,
Predator drone attacks,
Iraq,
Afghanistan
and now Guantánamo

Since they're all still going on, being continued by a Democrat President and a Democrat House and Senate.

the first four - i'd agree they have a much shorter shelf life after transition.

iraq/afghanistan - totally disagree. there is no way to have 'removed' ourselves, properly, in 4 months.

things will cycle and some things, because they originated with one administration, won't ever entirely cycle.

for example - does FDR still own the ramifications of social security? entirely?
does JFK own Vietnam? or johnson? or nixon...?

finally - if you're going to use this short of a timeframe to remove 'fault' for bush, then you should admit the same logic means you can't blame clinton for 9/11.....if you're one to do so....

[OIVORY]

Not any more, it's :liar:bama's watch now.

Ok, but can we blame the failed economic policies of the past 8 years on Bush?

After doing so, can we point out all the different economic policies Mr. Obama has implemented, so we can see how much better his policies are?

[NoGreyArea]

The difference is now these are all good things. They ceased being evil and sinister on Jan 20th, 2009.

Nothing is Bush's fault anymore, he is not at the wheel. We have driven farther off the side of the road since the new driver took over.

[mrbungle888]

However, Katrina, AIDS, the Space Shuttle Challenger, World War II, and the low wages of an Indonesian sugar cane worker are all still very much Bush's fault or so the left would like us to believe.

[chef]

I miss Bush. There are those who say that he messed things up and left it all for Obama. To them I say Why is Obama making things worse?

[GOCB]

Napoleon is always right and blame everything bad on SNOWBALL!!!

[Sknyluv]

The difference is now these are all good things. They ceased being evil and sinister on Jan 20th, 2009.

Disapproval of the Iraq war is just as high now as it was the last months of the Bush administration.

[ChaosControl]

They aren't, nor were they ever, exclusively his fault.
He is partially to blame, so was the congress of the last several years, so is the congress of now, and so is Obama.

[kasotamatt]

The Patriot Act,
wiretaps,
e-mail intercepts,
military tribunals,
Predator drone attacks,
Iraq,
Afghanistan
and now Guantánamo

Since they're all still going on, being continued by a Democrat President and a Democrat House and Senate.


You're darn right and I'm just as ticked at this Administration about those things as I was at the Bush Administration. Same story: The King is dead, Long Live the King

However, I was never angry at the Bush Admin over Afghanistan (only how they handled it), but I voted for Obama to stop waging an air war over there and he hasn't. Ticks me off.

[Celtic Pax]

Ok, but can we blame the failed economic policies of the past 8 years on Bush?

After doing so, can we point out all the different economic policies Mr. Obama has implemented, so we can see how much better his policies are? Not really. Remember that Bush did not have a filibuster proof congress and much of his agenda was directed toward the wars. Congress has as much responsibility as Bush for the "failed" economic policies of the past 8 year. Bush also had to contend with the Clinton recession AND 9/11 within the first year of his administration as well. Also, dems stonewalled attempts to reform Sally Mae and Freddy Mac, major reasons for the economic mess as well. So, while Bush may have some responsibility, his lack of a filibuster and veto proof congress sharply limited anything he could have done about the economy. Unlike, :liar:bama, who has that power in spades. What happens on :liar:bama's watch it totally his and the dems who control the presidency AND congress.

[spinach]

nothing is his fault, except one thing--

the time he gave money to the automakers despite the congress voting it down. Bush can be taken to task for that squander of about some 14 Billion dollars or so.

[DaveKlassix]

The difference is now these are all good things. They ceased being evil and sinister on Jan 20th, 2009.

exactly

[Death Star]

Ah yes, more partisan bickering.

Awesome.

[FernandoF]

Obama can keep one of his campaign promises and end Dont ask don't tell before lunch tomorrow. Who owns that one now?

[Death Star]

When everyone realizes the not only is the guy with the (D) next to his name a ******, but the guy with the (R) next to his name is a ****** too... Then and only then will we see real change.

[OIVORY]

When everyone realizes the not only is the guy with the (D) next to his name a ******, but the guy with the (R) next to his name is a ****** too... Then and only then will we see real change.

How can you tell a politician is lying?

His lips are moving.

Yes, they are all bad.

The ones with the R and the D...
The ones who speak loudly, the ones who are quiet as a mouse...
The ones who vote yes, vote no, vote present...

They are all at fault. Toss out the bums.

[Celtic Pax]

Ahh yes, the right wing talking points.

1) Bush had to deal with the Clinton recession, by that logic, shouldn't Obama be cut some slack for dealing with the Bush recession?
2) 9/11 happened on Bushes watch, look at what happened August 6, 2001 before you blame that on Clinton too.
3) What the hell is Sally Mae? And those 2 institutions did not cause the mess we are in.
4) Bush got his tax cuts, his prescription drug legislation, his bailouts etc... Please let me know of anything that would have prevented this house of cards from falling if Bush had a filibuster proof Congress.
Nice deflection and attempt at belittling factual points but it doesn't wash. Bush did deal effectively with Clinton's recession and there was a very strong economy for a number of years. Most of :liar:bama's policies so far have done little to deal with the economy in any meaningful way except to run up massive debt, practically nationalize the auto industry and increase taxes. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch but was caused by policies and incompetence of the Clinton administration. Also, with less than 8 months in office, Bush hardly had the time to effect any meaningful changes that would have prevented 9/11. Sally mae and Freddy Mac were indeed a major part of the mortgage problems that had a major effect on the economic debacle we now face. With the "crisis" :liar:bama has gone a long way to controlling the financial institutions of this country. While Bush got some programs through (of which I strongly dissagreed with) he got them with a democratically controlled congress. A congress that :liar:bama was a part of and voted for as well. While Bush was indeed responsilbe for some of the mess of the last 8 years, the democratic congress had a large responsibility as well. Now with a commanding control of the congress, something Bush never had, what goes on now IS :liar:bama's primary responsiblity and little of Bush's.

[less right]

Yes, I can see the history books now.

Clinton's term will oddly end on 9-12-01. (Possibly 3-20-03, after all, it was Clinton's intel).

The next page will say, "Nothing to see here, move forward to 1-20-09."

[Steel-W0LF]

Ahh yes, the right wing talking points.

1) Bush had to deal with the Clinton recession, by that logic, shouldn't Obama be cut some slack for dealing with the Bush recession?
2) 9/11 happened on Bushes watch, look at what happened August 6, 2001 before you blame that on Clinton too.
3) What the hell is Sally Mae? And those 2 institutions did not cause the mess we are in.
4) Bush got his tax cuts, his prescription drug legislation, his bailouts etc... Please let me know of anything that would have prevented this house of cards from falling if Bush had a filibuster proof Congress.

1) You dont put out a fire by pouring more gas on it.
2) It is Clintons fault for giving Bin Laden a pass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk
3) Their government backing caused a loosening of standards accross the board. That did lead to the housing bust.
4) See reform for organizations in item 3)

[Celtic Pax]

*sigh*
1) About Bush not being able to prevent 9/11, August 6,2001.
2) Its not Sally Mae, Im not sure what chain email you are reading but atleast get your talking points right.

The rest is just jibber jabber.:)):)):)):)):)):)):)) Ah that is right Fannie Mae but you knew what was referred to so the point stands.:dance:

[tjvh]

The Patriot Act,
wiretaps,
e-mail intercepts,
military tribunals,
Predator drone attacks,
Iraq,
Afghanistan
and now Guantánamo

Since they're all still going on, being continued by a Democrat President and a Democrat House and Senate.

And anything the Obama Administration refers to using the word "INHERITED".

[poorblackman]

Since these things haven't changed, you guys are sounding like Obama supporters. Obama has continued about 99% of Bushes policies so what are you guys complaining about? You loved Bush and his legacy and now you have a guy who hasn't done much to disrupt it. You should be in heaven.

[Mojotiger]

Since these things haven't changed, you guys are sounding like Obama supporters. Obama has continued about 99% of Bushes policies so what are you guys complaining about? You loved Bush and his legacy and now you have a guy who hasn't done much to disrupt it. You should be in heaven.

That's an argument that I have been making lately. At what point do Bush supporters have to start backing Obama?

I think Obama should just buy a ranch in Texas to complete the transformation.

[Celtic Pax]

Since these things haven't changed, you guys are sounding like Obama supporters. Obama has continued about 99% of Bushes policies so what are you guys complaining about? You loved Bush and his legacy and now you have a guy who hasn't done much to disrupt it. You should be in heaven.
You are obviously mistaken in your beliefs. Many here are not Bush supporters and attacked many of Bush's boneheaded decisions while he was in office. Most did not support his TARP plan at all. Most called his early actions and decisions about Rumsfeld and how the Iraq situation was being done stupid. Many did not support his perscription plan either. So before you believe the lib propaganda about conservatives, republicans or independents on this forum and their "undying" support of Bush, think again.

[Databyter]

It won't matter, Bush will still be blamed for everything negative no matter what this clown in office does...

Cheney said today in his statements that although there ismuch contention today history will remember his Administration well (especially in contrast to the current one..he didn't say that but probably thought it).

I believe this as well, when historians read and view the real facts the hate Bush mentality will be remembered as no more than a popular sentiment of a President who had a lack of chemistry with some increasingly radical and frustrated segment of the population.

The policies and actions themselves, with the exception of the inexplicable bailout in the final days as the free market was scrapped, will be remembered well.

Of course the free market scrap will probably overshadow the otherwise respectable legacy of keeping this Country safe through trying times, Job number one of the POTUS. (someone tell Barry this is supposed to be his number one job as well..)

[Databyter]

Since these things haven't changed, you guys are sounding like Obama supporters. Obama has continued about 99% of Bushes policies so what are you guys complaining about? You loved Bush and his legacy and now you have a guy who hasn't done much to disrupt it. You should be in heaven.

It's hard to support the learn as you go plan even when dufas winds up at the status quo.

Todays world is too challenging for safely navigating through under the learn as you go plan, and there isn't enough time.

It will be years for instance, long after this dufas is no longer in office before BO would realize that his Socialist ideas are all Crap and the Conservatives were correct all the time.

And there is a big difference between squabling about the learn as you go foreign policy executed by an ignorant fool and his installing marxist structures in this Country by rote and with confidence at the speed of light.