Today I stopped at a Police checkpoint...

[tjvh]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

[SFC(R)L]

wow

[Oddball]

Why do you want to enable the turrists??

[commonsensefreak]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Then what?

[simssk]

SFC took the word right out of my mouth. I read this and said "wow"


Can you finish the story?

[Mohawk5]

Unreal!

Where are you going?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Possible they're looking for someone specific rather than trying to **** you off?

[ArmyMAJretired]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Answer the question or do you have something to hide Comrade?

Just kidding, I'm sure they get one or two "to meet my dealer" replies, spontaneous confessions?

[ArmyMAJretired]

Unreal!

Where are you going?

To his computer silly to report on Obama's police state!

[JerryN]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Ihope your answer included something about 'and you need to know this why?'

Or else the Nunya response (without being disrespectful, of course)

[johnrocks]

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Tell us the rest of the story, this sounds either unconstitutional or they were looking for an escaped convicy or something, what's th angle?

[SisterMary]

Checkpoint Charlie, anyone?

[Vaard]

just point down the road and go "that way"

[ArmyMAJretired]

Ihope your answer included something about 'and you need to know this why?'

Or else the Nunya response (without being disrespectful, of course)

To be followed by "Don't taze me bro"!

Why does this sound like a bad episode of COPS?

[Iggy]

just point down the road and go "that way"

:)) I was going to post that same thing.

[Oddball]

And now
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Tell us the rest of the story, this sounds either unconstitutional or they were looking for an escaped convicy or something, what's th angle?
If you have nothing to hide, why should you care? :whistle:

[Dr. Funkenstein]

To be followed by "Don't taze me bro"!

Why does this sound like a bad episode of COPS?

Only if he was wearing a wife beater and no pants...;)

[tjvh]

SFC took the word right out of my mouth. I read this and said "wow"


Can you finish the story?

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))

[CaptainCrunch]

Where are you going?


To my regional ACORN conference meeting.

[SisterMary]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))
Vhat vere you doingk on ze street at 1pm? Vere you speeding? Vas the car goingk too fast? Eggsaktly vhat vere ze conditions?

[tjvh]

Answer the question or do you have something to hide Comrade?

Just kidding, I'm sure they get one or two "to meet my dealer" replies, spontaneous confessions?

I'm betting it's the "old version" of the Stars and stripes sticker I have on my rear side window, as opposed to that new "updated" logo Obama uses that got them rattled.

[55SFSDefender]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

I think the only other sterotypical thing you left out was the doughnut hanging out of his mouth. :rolleyes:

[tjvh]

Vhat vere you doingk on ze street at 1pm? Vere you speeding? Vas the car goingk too fast? Eggsaktly vhat vere ze conditions?

It was a ROADBLOCK, stopping people in both directions.

[Oddball]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))
I don't find it strange at all.

Guys like me have been warning that crap like DUI checkpoints would ultimately lead to things like this being the norm, only to then be called "alarmist" and "enabler of drunk drivers".

Too bad, so sad.

[ArmyMAJretired]

I'm betting it's the "old version" of the Stars and stripes sticker I have on my rear side window, as opposed to that new "updated" logo Obama uses that got them rattled.

Aha! The Homeland Security Memo is working, you may fit the profile of a single issue voter against abortion, or immigration. Bonus points if you are a veteran!

Have an NRA sticker go directly to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200!

[goodlife]

Without a second thought my response would have been...WHY?

[Buffalo]

It was a ROADBLOCK, stopping people in both directions.
We have semi annual checkpoints right up the road in front of the trooper barracks to check registration, seatbelt use, inspection, kids in car seats, etc. For some reason they are just fine legally. As far as asking where I'm going, never happened that I can remember, but I don't know how you would be required to tell them.

[Oddball]

Without a second thought my response would have been...WHY?
Because they can.

[jeepers]

:eek:

Wha?

[Vaard]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))

i was driving to work one day.... not speeding, not doing anyto be pulled over for or anything.......

2 minutes after i get on the highway, i get pulled over by a state trooper......

he makes me get out of the car, pats me down, makes me take out by cell phone form my pocket, asks me where i am going (to work i say, even give directions of how to get there).....

he tells me to stand by the back wheel and then proceeds to search my truck...... never asks permission or if there is anything illegal i might have... nothing

apparently doesnt find what he is looking for and just turns, gets in his car and speeds off, going to the right of my truck on the shoulder then takes off.......


he never asked me my name or for my liscense or registration or anything... whole incident took less than 2 minutes....... i was left standing there saying to myself "what the hell just happened?!?"


wierdest thing that ever happened to me with my encounter with law enforcement.......

[penner01]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))Do you possibly fit the image of one of those potentially radical right wing extremist terrorists the DHS is warning us about?

[pattyk]

DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that sticker would have put you in the slammer, ya radical right winger!

[hap]

just point down the road and go "that way"

Hey, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[Gidon]

Officer: Where are going?
Me: Wal-mart official business, on a sham wow run. Napolitano had another accident. Incontinence will not be tolerated.

Got that Leahy?

[penner01]

Vhat vere you doingk on ze street at 1pm? Vere you speeding? Vas the car goingk too fast? Eggsaktly vhat vere ze conditions?Hey you have that accent down pretty good....you a sleeper cell? :)

[czzzaar]

Without a second thought my response would have been...WHY?

At which point you'd probably be dragged out of your car and beaten, 'cause that is how the pigs role these days.

[SisterMary]

Hey you have that accent down pretty good....you a sleeper cell? :)
Maybe. Or maybe I just want to confuse you.

[Huitzilopochtli]

What was the check point for?

[penner01]

I don't find it strange at all.

Guys like me have been warning that crap like DUI checkpoints would ultimately lead to things like this being the norm, only to then be called "alarmist" and "enabler of drunk drivers".

Too bad, so sad.Two years from now they'll be using these to find out if you've torn the "estimated mileage" tag required by law to be affixed under your windshield right over the vin tag.

That or to be sure you haven't tampered with the mileage gps installed on your car to bill you for your driving habits

[ChazBedlam]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Wow. I might have went to jail. I think my answer to that question would have been something along the lines of:

"Well, officer, I had plans to run up to the next town and rob the bank."

- or -

"I have a dead hooker in my trunk and I was looking for a spot to dump the corpse. Is there a spot ahead that you would recommend?"

- or -

"Gee, officer, if I thought it was any of your ****ing business, I would've spray painted my schedule for today on the hood of my car."

[penner01]

Maybe. Or maybe I just want to confuse you.Well, my german is kinda rough. I wasn't sure it was really you, though, so the accent worked ;)

[George Walton]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?


What the rest of the story?

You give an incomplete description of the entire incident.

.

[czzzaar]

Wow. I might have went to jail. I think my answer to that question would have been something along the lines of:

"Well, officer, I had plans to run up to the next town and rob the bank."

- or -

"I have a dead hooker in my trunk and I was looking for a spot to dump the corpse. Is there a spot ahead that you would recommend?"

- or -

"Gee, officer, if I thought it was any of your ****ing business, I would've spray painted my schedule for today on the hood of my car."

Yep, jail, right after the ass kicking.

Everybody here still think the Patriot Act was a good idea?

I find myself moving toward the Anarchists more and more all the time.

[penner01]

Wow. I might have went to jail. I think my answer to that question would have been something along the lines of:

"Well, officer, I had plans to run up to the next town and rob the bank."

- or -

"I have a dead hooker in my trunk and I was looking for a spot to dump the corpse. Is there a spot ahead that you would recommend?"

- or -

"Gee, officer, if I thought it was any of your ****ing business, I would've spray painted my schedule for today on the hood of my car.":)) :)) I've been hanging out on this thread just waiting to see who would come up with this.

[czzzaar]

What the rest of the story?

You give an incomplete description of the entire incident.

.

Nobody likes a suck-up.

[ChazBedlam]

i was driving to work one day.... not speeding, not doing anyto be pulled over for or anything.......

2 minutes after i get on the highway, i get pulled over by a state trooper......

he makes me get out of the car, pats me down, makes me take out by cell phone form my pocket, asks me where i am going (to work i say, even give directions of how to get there).....

he tells me to stand by the back wheel and then proceeds to search my truck...... never asks permission or if there is anything illegal i might have... nothing

apparently doesnt find what he is looking for and just turns, gets in his car and speeds off, going to the right of my truck on the shoulder then takes off.......


he never asked me my name or for my liscense or registration or anything... whole incident took less than 2 minutes....... i was left standing there saying to myself "what the hell just happened?!?"


wierdest thing that ever happened to me with my encounter with law enforcement.......

That entire 2 minutes, the officer would've had the soundtrack of me repeating the 4th amendment over and over and over until he concluded his search, or clubbed me with his night stick. What a fascist PIG.

[czzzaar]

:)) :)) I've been hanging out on this thread just waiting to see who would come up with this.

I think most people know better than to **** with the police.

I fear authority. Don't respect it at all.

[czzzaar]

That entire 2 minutes, the officer would've had the soundtrack of me repeating the 4th amendment over and over and over until he concluded his search, or clubbed me with his night stick. What a fascist PIG.

Spot on.

[tjvh]

Do you possibly fit the image of one of those potentially radical right wing extremist terrorists the DHS is warning us about?

Ok... I am a Veteran, and there "was" that memo...:))

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Wow. I might have went to jail. I think my answer to that question would have been something along the lines of:

"Well, officer, I had plans to run up to the next town and rob the bank."

- or -

"I have a dead hooker in my trunk and I was looking for a spot to dump the corpse. Is there a spot ahead that you would recommend?"

- or -

"Gee, officer, if I thought it was any of your ****ing business, I would've spray painted my schedule for today on the hood of my car."

You forgot a few good ones...

"On the way to an Ice-T concert"

"Which way to Mumia Abu-Jama's prison?"

or, my personal favorite

"I'm on my way home, and I hope I'm not contagious"

[tjvh]

That entire 2 minutes, the officer would've had the soundtrack of me repeating the 4th amendment over and over and over until he concluded his search, or clubbed me with his night stick. What a fascist PIG.

I'll tell you honestly, those things started going through my head, but I was so startled the only thing that came out was "home"... And I have better things to do than get into a scrap with State Troopers. Like rant on here.:))

[George Walton]

Originally Posted by George Walton http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=54675781#post54675781)
What the rest of the story?

You give an incomplete description of the entire incident.


Nobody likes a suck-up.


Yeah, why let all the facts get in the way of a informed discussion.

.

[Oddball]

I'll tell you honestly, those things started going through my head, but I was so startled the only thing that came out was "home"... And I have better things to do than get into a scrap with State Troopers. Like rant on here.:))That's a good little victim....There'll be a place for you at the table of the new order.

[tjvh]

What the rest of the story?

You give an incomplete description of the entire incident.

.
The rest of the story is they had 5 or six cars pulled over on both sides of the road getting tickets, and my stickers are good, and that was that. I just thought maybe their lines of questioning should stick to the actual purpose the Roadblock was there in the first place... Seatbelts, Valid stickers, and EASY State Revenue.:))

[Vaard]

That entire 2 minutes, the officer would've had the soundtrack of me repeating the 4th amendment over and over and over until he concluded his search, or clubbed me with his night stick. What a fascist PIG.

that might have been the strangest thing of all.....


he was this older heaveir guy, but he didnt have this air of authoritarism with him, his attitude came more andy griffith-ish than the guy from cool hand luke.....


i have gotten out of the car to talk with officers before, but when he didnt ask even my name or for license and reg, it kinda threw me off kilter.......

it was a very surreal experience......


i didnt even feel that my rights were violated or get angry during or after the event....... it was just such a strange experience i had to share.......

[55SFSDefender]

At which point you'd probably be dragged out of your car and beaten, 'cause that is how the pigs role these days.

No need for that.

[tjvh]

That's a good little victim....There'll be a place for you at the table of the new order.

Come on, it all happened so fast.:)) I promise, they will lock me up before I get invited to "that" table.:))

[brcon]

That entire 2 minutes, the officer would've had the soundtrack of me repeating the 4th amendment over and over and over until he concluded his search, or clubbed me with his night stick. What a fascist PIG.

Nah. He would have cuffed you and put you into the back of his patrol car and let you sit there until it was time for him to go home, and then let you go back to your car. I am always amused at people who think they have "rights" when dealing with law enforcement.

[ChazBedlam]

Yep, jail, right after the ass kicking.

Everybody here still think the Patriot Act was a good idea?

I find myself moving toward the Anarchists more and more all the time.

I have justifications for the existance of government.........but I'm running out of excuses. Stuff like this simply doesn't reinforce my love for public "servants".

Yeah. The Patriot Act was a great idea. I've always thought it was a great idea to put the basic civil rights of law abiding citizens at risk because of the actions of a handful of terrorists. Why punish perpetrators when you can use tradgedy and fear as an excuse to punish EVERYONE? :dance:

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The rest of the story is they had 5 or six cars pulled over on both sides of the road getting tickets, and my stickers are good, and that was that. I just thought maybe their lines of questioning should stick to the actual purpose the Roadblock was there in the first place... Seatbelts, Valid stickers, and EASY State Revenue.:))

But do you actually know why the roadblock was there in the first place, or are you assuming? I realize that most things like this are pure revenue production, but is it at least possible they were looking for something or someone specific?

[BostonPatriot]

Were there any black helicopters? :shifty:

[tjvh]

that might have been the strangest thing of all.....


he was this older heaveir guy, but he didnt have this air of authoritarism with him, his attitude came more andy griffith-ish than the guy from cool hand luke.....


i have gotten out of the car to talk with officers before, but when he didnt ask even my name or for license and reg, it kinda threw me off kilter.......

it was a very surreal experience......


i didnt even feel that my rights were violated or get angry during or after the event....... it was just such a strange experience i had to share.......

My God Vaard... I agree with you! You hit it Exactly!!!!! Strange, and surreal. Hell is freezing over... Tjvh is agreeing with Vaard.:)):)):))

[Vaard]

Come on, it all happened so fast.:)) I promise, they will lock me up before I get invited to "that" table.:))

when people who have very few dealing with cops get pulled over, they tend to get nervous and end up being more submissive or tolerant while they are in the moment of it.........


especially when you couple that with a general respect for cops in general, the back talk often is not thought of till after you are out of the situation........

[Oddball]

Come on, it all happened so fast.:)) I promise, they will lock me up before I get invited to "that" table.:))
It happened fast.....That's the point.

When things like this happen, we don't rise to the occasion, we fall to our training and conditioning.

If you aren't willing to assert your rights, you don't have any.

[Lone Star]

Travelling from Texas to California I run into no less then 2 to 3 State Trooper/Border Patrol roadblocks along the way. I don't have a problem when every once in a great while they ask "where are you going?". They are not out to get you, they are just doing there job. It is just stupid for some people to blame this on Obama.

[tjvh]

But do you actually know why the roadblock was there in the first place, or are you assuming? I realize that most things like this are pure revenue production, but is it at least possible they were looking for something or someone specific?

Assuming. No jails anywhere nearby, long straight country road, no perimeter, no "pumped up" look about the Troopers... Educated guess I suppose.

[ChazBedlam]

I'll tell you honestly, those things started going through my head, but I was so startled the only thing that came out was "home"... And I have better things to do than get into a scrap with State Troopers. Like rant on here.:))

As long as we're being honest, I probably would've been taken aback by that question, too. Maybe even shocked to silence.

[chardjones]

I was stopped at a DUI check point in Southern CA on Cinco De Mayo. The officer said "We are doing a DUI check, are you headed home?" I said "No" he did a double take and said "No?" I looked at him and didn't say anything. He then told me to carry on, he did not even look at my DL.

[Mohawk5]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))



No I am right there with you. What did you say to them?

[tjvh]

It happened fast.....That's the point.

When things like this happen, we don't rise to the occasion, we fall to our training and conditioning.

If you aren't willing to assert your rights, you don't have any.

Point taken... In my own defense, it's Hard to expect, much less prepare for this sort of stuff on Monday afternoons.

[ChazBedlam]

when people who have very few dealing with cops get pulled over, they tend to get nervous and end up being more submissive or tolerant while they are in the moment of it.........


especially when you couple that with a general respect for cops in general, the back talk often is not thought of till after you are out of the situation........

This is probably 10000000% correct, and would apply to the vast majority of us if we're put in the same situation.

[George Walton]

The rest of the story is they had 5 or six cars pulled over on both sides of the road getting tickets, and my stickers are good, and that was that. I just thought maybe their lines of questioning should stick to the actual purpose the Roadblock was there in the first place... Seatbelts, Valid stickers, and EASY State Revenue.:))

OK, thanks.

The bonus revenue they were looking for was evidence of DUI in my opinion.

.

[Mohawk5]

i was driving to work one day.... not speeding, not doing anyto be pulled over for or anything.......

2 minutes after i get on the highway, i get pulled over by a state trooper......

he makes me get out of the car, pats me down, makes me take out by cell phone form my pocket, asks me where i am going (to work i say, even give directions of how to get there).....

he tells me to stand by the back wheel and then proceeds to search my truck...... never asks permission or if there is anything illegal i might have... nothing

apparently doesnt find what he is looking for and just turns, gets in his car and speeds off, going to the right of my truck on the shoulder then takes off.......


he never asked me my name or for my liscense or registration or anything... whole incident took less than 2 minutes....... i was left standing there saying to myself "what the hell just happened?!?"


wierdest thing that ever happened to me with my encounter with law enforcement.......


I do hope your reported this to the Police Chief.

[LouC]

Buckle up New York is an ongoing campaign.

In the past they have apparently made public the checkpoint locations and times of operation.

LINK (http://capitalnews9.com/default.aspx?ArID=370005)

NEW YORK STATE -- Buckle up New York, or else you could be the next victim of the "Click It or Ticket" campaign. Law enforcement agencies across the state are getting set to launch a two week buckle up campaign starting Monday.

Local law enforcement is also taking part, by manning safety restraint checkpoints and patrols through the campaign's end May 31

[countzero123]

I think the only other sterotypical thing you left out was the doughnut hanging out of his mouth. :rolleyes:

Did you notice whether or not his eyes were glazed? :think:



:)) (tip of the hat to Gallagher....)

[penner01]

Travelling from Texas to California I run into no less then 2 to 3 State Trooper/Border Patrol roadblocks along the way. I don't have a problem when every once in a great while they ask "where are you going?". They are not out to get you, they are just doing there job. It is just stupid for some people to blame this on Obama.Then again, some periodic mindless rant and humor keeps us distracted from the big issues.

No doubt, the cops had purpose.

[penner01]

You forgot a few good ones...

"I'm on my way home, and I hope I'm not contagious"*cough, cough*, *hack*. :)) hey, can you summon green viscous fluid on demand?

[donesprague]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))


NY is part of America so, yes, you were in America when you were in NY.

I know this question has been asked a few times but you don't seem to get it.

What is the remainder of the story?

You gave us a few parts.

You were stopped at a police checkpoint.

You were asked a quesiton and you don't understand the purpose of the question.

The checkpoint was stopping traffic in both directions.

The police looked inside your car.

Something else happened but you haven't told us.

I suppose that the officer told you to go.

I suppose the police also didn't see any problems that they were looking for. They might have been looking for expired inspection stickers or other vehicle problems. They might have been looking for some specific threat such as someone fleeing a crime scene. I suspect the officer could have asked any question but picked the one he asked just because. So it seems that they were looking for something and you didn't have it.

[Vaard]

I do hope your reported this to the Police Chief.

nope, didnt get the guys name or car number or anything.....

like i said, i wasnt angry and didnt feel violated.......

it was such a surreal experience that i kinda like the memory of it after the fact......

[Wake-Up]

Not Police but I had one with the Customs Folks in Canada crossing the Detroit Windsor Tunnel. I've crossed hundreds of times and they start with Citizenship?, Where you going? How long will you be there?

This time first question after looking at my passport was "Have you ever been fingerprinted?". I said No, then being honest said, well yes.

I did not even get a chance to explain. They immediately pulled me over, searched my entire car then came to ask more questions. They empty your car completely and of course you have to put it all back.

I was fingerprinted once and forgot. I used to teach AP Chemistry and forgot the school district required fingerprints and background checks to be on their payroll.

Just trying to be honest and it cost me a few hours of time, some serious anxiety and an extra night in Canada because I missed a business meeting and had to reschedule for the next day.

[Mohawk5]

nope, didnt get the guys name or car number or anything.....

like i said, i wasnt angry and didnt feel violated.......

it was such a surreal experience that i kinda like the memory of it after the fact......


I could imagine as he was pulling off your were most likely saying wth just happened.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Assuming. No jails anywhere nearby, long straight country road, no perimeter, no "pumped up" look about the Troopers... Educated guess I suppose.

Gotcha. Fair enough.

[Vaard]

I could imagine as he was pulling off your were most likely saying wth just happened.

oh yeah, i stood there for about 20 secs or so expecting somethingmore to happen, then shrugged my shoulders, got in my truck and got back on the road to work......

this also happened before i even had my first cup of coffee as i wait till i am on the highway before i start drinking it since it is cool enough to drink by then......

[Mohawk5]

oh yeah, i stood there for about 20 secs or so expecting somethingmore to happen, then shrugged my shoulders, got in my truck and got back on the road to work......

this also happened before i even had my first cup of coffee as i wait till i am on the highway before i start drinking it since it is cool enough to drink by then......


I'm sure if someone jumped out and said "CANDID CAMERA" you would of been like. Yea!!!

haha

[bigtwnvin]

i was driving to work one day.... not speeding, not doing anyto be pulled over for or anything.......

2 minutes after i get on the highway, i get pulled over by a state trooper......

he makes me get out of the car, pats me down, makes me take out by cell phone form my pocket, asks me where i am going (to work i say, even give directions of how to get there).....

he tells me to stand by the back wheel and then proceeds to search my truck...... never asks permission or if there is anything illegal i might have... nothing

apparently doesnt find what he is looking for and just turns, gets in his car and speeds off, going to the right of my truck on the shoulder then takes off.......


he never asked me my name or for my liscense or registration or anything... whole incident took less than 2 minutes....... i was left standing there saying to myself "what the hell just happened?!?"


wierdest thing that ever happened to me with my encounter with law enforcement.......
At least the trooper didn't stretch you across the hood palms down. Your vehicle matched a description of one he was looking for. You had nothing to hide and he was doing his job. When "the man" is on the hunt he wears the badge, carries a gun and has the "probable cause" justification in his back pocket. Keep your hands where he can see them and don't be a smart ass and like you said Vaard, he was gon in 2 minutes. Hopefully he caught up with the person he was looking for and who knows he might have prevented a criminal act from taking place.

[Buffalo]

Not Police but I had one with the Customs Folks in Canada crossing the Detroit Windsor Tunnel. I've crossed hundreds of times and they start with Citizenship?, Where you going? How long will you be there?

This time first question after looking at my passport was "Have you ever been fingerprinted?". I said No, then being honest said, well yes.

I did not even get a chance to explain. They immediately pulled me over, searched my entire car then came to ask more questions. They empty your car completely and of course you have to put it all back.

I was fingerprinted once and forgot. I used to teach AP Chemistry and forgot the school district required fingerprints and background checks to be on their payroll.

Just trying to be honest and it cost me a few hours of time, some serious anxiety and an extra night in Canada because I missed a business meeting and had to reschedule for the next day.
They can pretty much do what they like at border crossings. Almost every one of my friends and family have similar stories.

[tjvh]

OK, thanks.

The bonus revenue they were looking for was evidence of DUI in my opinion.

.

At 1PM on a Monday, if they get one DUI, I'd be REALLY surprised.

[55SFSDefender]

National Click It or Ticket campaign underway.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.ce4a601cdfe97fc239d17110cba046a0/

[bigtwnvin]

At 1PM on a Monday, if they get one DUI, I'd be REALLY surprised.
I wouldn't.:whistle:

[Fire Watch]

i was driving to work one day.... not speeding, not doing anyto be pulled over for or anything.......

2 minutes after i get on the highway, i get pulled over by a state trooper......

he makes me get out of the car, pats me down, makes me take out by cell phone form my pocket, asks me where i am going (to work i say, even give directions of how to get there).....

he tells me to stand by the back wheel and then proceeds to search my truck...... never asks permission or if there is anything illegal i might have... nothing

apparently doesnt find what he is looking for and just turns, gets in his car and speeds off, going to the right of my truck on the shoulder then takes off.......


he never asked me my name or for my liscense or registration or anything... whole incident took less than 2 minutes....... i was left standing there saying to myself "what the hell just happened?!?"


wierdest thing that ever happened to me with my encounter with law enforcement.......
I've actually done this. We were searching for a child that had just been abducted from his yard. All we had to go on was a general description of the vehicle. We stopped every car we could find matching the general description, did a thorough search as quickly as we could, then moved on. Time was of the essence. I'm sorry if some of those we stopped felt "violated". We found the child, in a car we stopped. The man was a convicted child molester who had been given parole.

[Creefer]

I've actually done this. We were searching for a child that had just been abducted from his yard. All we had to go on was a general description of the vehicle. We stopped every car we could find matching the general description, did a thorough search as quickly as we could, then moved on. Time was of the essence. I'm sorry if some of those we stopped felt "violated". We found the child, in a car we stopped. The man was a convicted child molester who had been given parole.

I would imagine just taking the 10-15 seconds to tell the person that, would ease a lot of burden. You probably could thell them as you were sending them off and not even cost any time.

[Gengar]

"Forward".

[Vaard]

At least the trooper didn't stretch you across the hood palms down. Your vehicle matched a description of one he was looking for. You had nothing to hide and he was doing his job. When "the man" is on the hunt he wears the badge, carries a gun and has the "probable cause" justification in his back pocket. Keep your hands where he can see them and don't be a smart ass and like you said Vaard, he was gon in 2 minutes. Hopefully he caught up with the person he was looking for and who knows he might have prevented a criminal act from taking place.

nah, he was actually nice about the whole thing, no yelling or being or ass or anything.... he was very friendly in an andy griffith sort of way, without the accent......

as i stated before, i didnt feel violated or accused or anything....... it was just so instant and over so quick that it felt so surreal....

only asked where i was going and what was in my pocket (cell phone).. no name or registration ...just poatted me down and searched my truck..... then was just gone.....

i am not telling this story to villify or "rant about the man" or anything... i never lodged a complaint or wrote a letter to the editor or anything... it is just such a strange occurance for me, that i like to tell the story when the subject comes up........ its a really good story to tell during a round of drinks as well......

i told the story a couple months ago in another thread and had fam and another cop calling BS and such.. it is actually quite nice that the people in this thread actually believe me....

[czzzaar]

Travelling from Texas to California I run into no less then 2 to 3 State Trooper/Border Patrol roadblocks along the way. I don't have a problem when every once in a great while they ask "where are you going?". They are not out to get you, they are just doing there job. It is just stupid for some people to blame this on Obama.

Obama? Hell, it was the Bush administration that came up with the DHS. Of course, Obama has embraced it. Why? Because they work for the same people, folks. Get a freakin' clue already. WE ARE SLAVES.

Obama said it, you're going to have to get used to having less of everything, including freedom.

[czzzaar]

I've actually done this. We were searching for a child that had just been abducted from his yard. All we had to go on was a general description of the vehicle. We stopped every car we could find matching the general description, did a thorough search as quickly as we could, then moved on. Time was of the essence. I'm sorry if some of those we stopped felt "violated". We found the child, in a car we stopped. The man was a convicted child molester who had been given parole.

Why not just tell people that when you pull them over instead of always being so damned arrogant? I think it's the arrogance and abuse of authority that really ****es off the law abiding citizen that has no other beef with law enforcement.

Yeah, yeah, I know there are good cops out there but there are a lot of bad ones, too.

[Crystal]

No worse than going into california and having to answer...."are you transporting any live plants?"

[PheonixOps]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Is that what you asked the trooper? Maybe they were looking for a wanted felon, etc...........

[PheonixOps]

and now
page 2
tell us the rest of the story, this sounds either unconstitutional or they were looking for an escaped convicy or something, what's th angle?

lol

[PheonixOps]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))

You said it was a checkpoint, no? Maybe they were looking for somebody specific. I could see your dismay if they singled you out and did a traffic stop on you for no obvious probable cause...........
What part of upstate did this happen in?

[animalnut]

Guess it would have been a bad thing to say "none of your business...." or
"What's it to you?"

I've only been stopped once, for speeding. (55 in a 35 mph.). I was so flustered - the cop was so nice. He asked for my license and registration. The license had expired 10 days before, and my registration was in my car manual but I couldn't find it. I told him "oh my gosh - my husband's the one that speeds in my family. I'll never hear the end of this!"

He took my expired license back to his car and ran a check. He saw I had never had a ticket (I was about 52 at the time), came back to the car and said "Your husband will never have to know. Get your license taken care of, and don't speed."

I apologized and thanked him.

[F_Rat-46]

I retired last July after 31 years as a State Trooper. I'm glad I don't have to put up with all that BS out there any more...

[PheonixOps]

At 1PM on a Monday, if they get one DUI, I'd be REALLY surprised.

Hey, that's Upstate! I knew people who popped a beer at 10am up there........... People also have a few beers at lunch, etc.

[mgifford]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Brother, I'm very proud of my years in Law Enforcement. However, things have drastically changed to make officers act pretty bad. When they meet before shift, they're told that there are people out there that want to kill you're family, go get them off the street.

To the younger guys, that's a command to get the job done, but that's what causes them to make mistakes and get complained on. The officers a few weeks ago being slaughtered in cold blood, cause many officers to be overactive too. We never want to leave our little babies and never come home, so we try harder.

[BasicGreatGuy]

I would have said "none of your business."

[PheonixOps]

I think that a little cooperation and respect goes a long way. These guys have a job to do, why not answer a simple question, you never know when you may be helping them out. Just like in the incident that Firewatch referenced. If somebody was busting his balls and wasting his time, maybe the perpetrator wouldn't have been caught and the victim saved.
I remember driving on Montauk Hwy, in east Hampton one time, it was a 55mph zone, and me and the LEO were going in opposite directions at about 60 to 65mph, I didn't have my new registration sticker up and had the expired on up on the windshield (the new one was on the dashboard), and he did a U-turn and pulled me over.
I said to him "damn man you have an eagle eye!", we laughed, he saw that I had the new registration on my dashboard, and he sent me on my way with a "have a nice day" and I sent him on his way with a "be safe"......... the whole transaction was less than 30 seconds............

[penner01]

No worse than going into california and having to answer...."are you transporting any live plants?"What, they don't ask about fruit anymore?

[crowmanyclouds]

That entire 2 minutes, the officer would've had the soundtrack of me repeating the 4th amendment over and over and over until he concluded his search, or clubbed me with his night stick. What a fascist PIG.What's the Fourth Amendment issue here?

(It seems clear that this wasn't a routine traffic stop, but for the moment lets assume that the stop was legal I.E. the police officer had a reasonable suspicion that Vaard and/or his(?) vehicle matched the description of a person that had committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.)

[donesprague]

I would imagine just taking the 10-15 seconds to tell the person that, would ease a lot of burden. You probably could thell them as you were sending them off and not even cost any time.

Butterfly.

10 seconds could be enough delay to prevent success.

[nunyadb]

You should have told him:

"I'm on the way to your house. Your wife just called me and told me you were
at work and she was lonely."

Whatever else happened, you'd have the guy worrying in the back of his mind
for some time to come.

[RogerDodger]

So, where were you going?

[F_Rat-46]

You should have told him:

"I'm on the way to your house. Your wife just called me and told me you were
at work and she was lonely."

Whatever else happened, you'd have the guy worrying in the back of his mind
for some time to come.

I doubt that. Troopers, (at least the ones I know) have a warped sense of humor. I know I would have replied, "make sure you shut the garage door before you leave".

[bitterclinger84]

National Click It or Ticket campaign underway.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.ce4a601cdfe97fc239d17110cba046a0/

I don't think he had a problem with being stopped, rather with the question asked. Why would cops checking seat belts need to know where people are going? That was the whole point of the thread...

[penner01]

I don't think he had a problem with being stopped, rather with the question asked. Why would cops checking seat belts need to know where people are going? That was the whole point of the thread...It did kind of go off in a few directions didn't it.......

[bitterclinger84]

It did kind of go off in a few directions didn't it.......

lol ya think?

[dittoheadAZ]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

You should have said... "New York!"

:D

[nunyadb]

I doubt that. Troopers, (at least the ones I know) have a warped sense of humor. I know I would have replied, "make sure you shut the garage door before you leave".

Most of the ones that I know would have said something similar.
Cops and troops pretty much share the same twisted sense of humor.

[jimjames418]

Today I stopped at a Police checkpoint...

I am glad you stopped and didn't make them chase you down. They get upset when you do that. ;)

[opsyscw]

I will NEVER consent to a search of my vehicle, for any reason. I don't trust them. If they want to find something, they will, regardless if it was in your vehicle or not. Drug sniffing dogs can also be trained to alert falsely.

I was told by a State's Attorney friend to make them work for it.

[khigh]

I will NEVER consent to a search of my vehicle, for any reason. I don't trust them. If they want to find something, they will, regardless if it was in your vehicle or not. Drug sniffing dogs can also be trained to alert falsely.

I was told by a State's Attorney friend to make them work for it.

I get stopped coming OFF post every few weeks for a vehicle search. Sometimes soldiers steal ammo, weapons, training equipment, etc. I don't mind. Most of the time they wave me through the gate because of the sergeant major stickers on the truck, but even when they search or use the dogs, I have a good chat with them.

Living on a military base, you get used to your vehicle being searched. It's always the same questions and answers: "You going home?" "Yes." "Are you carrying a concealed weapon?" "Of course, I was downtown today." "Okay, just don't shoot anyone you don't have to." "Will try not to." They ask to see my gun, we talk about it, and I go about my merry way. It's no big deal.

[Professor1072]

If you have nothing to hide, why should you care? :whistle:



I thought we had the unalienable right to the pursuit of hapiness...If you have nothing on me than why are you harrasing me and trampling my God given right?

[Professor1072]

I get stopped coming OFF post every few weeks for a vehicle search. Sometimes soldiers steal ammo, weapons, training equipment, etc. I don't mind. Most of the time they wave me through the gate because of the sergeant major stickers on the truck, but even when they search or use the dogs, I have a good chat with them.

Living on a military base, you get used to your vehicle being searched. It's always the same questions and answers: "You going home?" "Yes." "Are you carrying a concealed weapon?" "Of course, I was downtown today." "Okay, just don't shoot anyone you don't have to." "Will try not to." They ask to see my gun, we talk about it, and I go about my merry way. It's no big deal.

yea, the military is different

[gdoane]

This is about the time of year for the annual DUI task force out at the lakes. Last year troopers took 231 drunks off of the road, 67 of them for extreme DUI.

Everybody in Arizona knows that the lakes get a saturation patrol looking for drunk drivers same as they do every year and still HUNDREDS of fools get caught.

They put up signs warning of the roadblocks on the way out to the lake, every TV and radio station repeats warnings all week leading up to the holiday weekend and amazingly people still get busted.

I don't mind the checkpoints because getting these drunks off the road makes the weekend better for everybody (except the drunk drivers of course).

[Blindeye101]

At 1PM on a Monday, if they get one DUI, I'd be REALLY surprised.

That is when some people start drinking. :whistle:

[khigh]

yea, the military is different

I don't mind getting stopped in town either. I actually like cops and love talking to them. Can't wait to be one. But, then again, most of my family are either cops or soldiers.

[Professor1072]

I don't mind getting stopped in town either. I actually like cops and love talking to them. Can't wait to be one. But, then again, most of my family are either cops or soldiers.

Yea, well, I'm sure cops are good people but I don't trust the state and neither should any freedom loving individual which is a separate matter from wether or not cops are nice.

[Liability]

A friend once drove to Canada and got stopped by the Canuck Border Patrol at the border checkpoint. Damned if that Canuck Patrol guy didn't ask my friend the EXACT same question!

"Where are you going today?"

She said, "Canada!" (Yes. She's blonde.)

He said, without missing a beat, "Congratulations! You made it! Any particular location IN Canada?"

It wasn't supposed to have been a trick question.

[BasicGreatGuy]

A friend once drove to Canada and got stopped by the Canuck Border Patrol at the border checkpoint. Damned if that Canuck Patrol guy didn't ask my friend the EXACT same question!

"Where are you going today?"

She said, "Canada!" (Yes. She's blonde.)

He said, without missing a beat, "Congratulations! You made it! Any particular location IN Canada?"

It wasn't supposed to have been a trick question.

:))

[countmein]

Silly me, I would have just thought he was making small talk while trying to do his job. But then again, I am not afraid of police officers.
Funny thing is, every speeding ticket I got in my younger days was issued by a state trooper, even the ones I got just outside of town. Hell, I had one pull me over a block from my house. I was issued a ticket, but it was later thrown out.

[Samm]

just point down the road and go "that way"

:D

And probably more effective than my thought of "I don't know... I haven't decided."

or

"To my lawyers... to report a situation of abuse of my Constituitonal rights by law enforcement officials."

... at which time it would change to:

"The the Hospital ER ... sir."

[mgifford]

Actually, as I pulled over hundreds of drivers over the years, I generally asked the driver where he/she was going, which was most always small talk. IOW, it was the same as anyone else saying "good morning". The small talk was also something to say while I decided if I was going to write them a ticket or not. Plus, small talk like "where are you going" will at times tell the officer interesting truths.

[Samm]

This is about the time of year for the annual DUI task force out at the lakes. Last year troopers took 231 drunks off of the road, 67 of them for extreme DUI.

Everybody in Arizona knows that the lakes get a saturation patrol looking for drunk drivers same as they do every year and still HUNDREDS of fools get caught.

They put up signs warning of the roadblocks on the way out to the lake, every TV and radio station repeats warnings all week leading up to the holiday weekend and amazingly people still get busted.

I don't mind the checkpoints because getting these drunks off the road makes the weekend better for everybody (except the drunk drivers of course).
Then the appropriate question is "Have you been drinking?" not "Where are you going?"

[Liability]

Then the appropriate question is "Have you been drinking?" not "Where are you going?"


If the driver HAS been drinking and wishes to avoid problems, he may just lie and say, "No sir occifer."

But, if he's been drinking and you ask him where he's GOING, he may feel less intimidated and casually tell you that he's going to the "X" (some locally known location). That's good. But not if "X" is a dozen or so miles back in the opposite direction! :mrgreen:

The more I think about it, the less offensive the Trooper's question becomes.

[Samm]

Actually, as I pulled over hundreds of drivers over the years, I generally asked the driver where he/she was going, which was most always small talk. IOW, it was the same as anyone else saying "good morning". The small talk was also something to say while I decided if I was going to write them a ticket or not. Plus, small talk like "where are you going" will at times tell the officer interesting truths.

So, having been there standing in the Troopers shoes... what would your reaction been to some of the wise-ass and or defiant responses given here? Would that influence your decision as to whether or not you were going to write them a ticket?

[Samm]

If the driver HAS been drinking and wishes to avoid problems, he may just lie and say, "No sir occifer."

But, if he's been drinking and you ask him where he's GOING, he may feel less intimidated and casually tell you that he's going to the "X" (some locally known location). That's good. But not if "X" is a dozen or so miles back in the opposite direction! :mrgreen:

The more I think about it, the less offensive the Trooper's question becomes.

Not to me...

If a cop wants to engage in potentially revealing small talk he should ask about the weather. Everybody loves to talk about the weather...

[Fire Watch]

If the driver HAS been drinking and wishes to avoid problems, he may just lie and say, "No sir occifer."

But, if he's been drinking and you ask him where he's GOING, he may feel less intimidated and casually tell you that he's going to the "X" (some locally known location). That's good. But not if "X" is a dozen or so miles back in the opposite direction! :mrgreen:

The more I think about it, the less offensive the Trooper's question becomes.
The answer we dont receive is usually more informative than the one we do.

"How you doing tonight..so, where are you headed?"

"Um..ah..uh..see..over to um..Jim's house"

If someone replies with a succinct, "why?", it usually tells me all I need to know. The stuttering and stammering types are the ones that causes your spidey senses to go off.

[ThinkingMan]

If you have nothing to hide, why should you care? :whistle:

Yeah - good point (cough wiretaps cough)

[Droog]

Point taken... In my own defense, it's Hard to expect, much less prepare for this sort of stuff on Monday afternoons.I'm sure you won't make that mistake again.

I worry about this happening to me, because I am getting so fed up with the police state that is exploding in this country, I'm afraid I won't be able to contain my anger.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

The answer we dont receive is usually more informative than the one we do.

"How you doing tonight..so, where are you headed?"

"Um..ah..uh..see..over to um..Jim's house"

If someone replies with a succinct, "why?", it usually tells me all I need to know. The stuttering and stammering types are the ones that causes your spidey senses to go off.

Obviously.

Checkpoints, I have an issue with.

However, feel free to ask questions 'till the cows come home.

[gdoane]

Then the appropriate question is "Have you been drinking?" not "Where are you going?"

Few drunks would actually tell the truth to such an obvious question. You're not going to get many folks say "Heck yeah I"m loaded!" so to determine the truth the questioning takes a bit of a Columbo turn of "oh, by the way..." (man am I showing my age).

[khigh]

The answer we dont receive is usually more informative than the one we do.

"How you doing tonight..so, where are you headed?"

"Um..ah..uh..see..over to um..Jim's house"

If someone replies with a succinct, "why?", it usually tells me all I need to know. The stuttering and stammering types are the ones that causes your spidey senses to go off.

They always ask where I am going and I always tell the cops that I don't know yet. I usually don't because I like to drive just to drive. I could drive nowhere for hours just listening to the radio especially if there is a good topic on talk radio or Bollywood Bonanza (Bollywood gossip and music show). I pick a place on the map and just go there. One day I drove to Amarillo (4 hours away), stopped at the gas station to fill up, went to Wal Mart to buy a Coke, and drove home.

[Droog]

Yea, well, I'm sure cops are good people but I don't trust the state and neither should any freedom loving individual which is a separate matter from wether or not cops are nice.Exactly. And I know plenty of police officers who have real issues with the policies being handed down in the past decade or so. Especially in places where terrorism isn't even an issue. Like in the Pine Barrens in NJ.

[gdoane]

Not to me...

If a cop wants to engage in potentially revealing small talk he should ask about the weather. Everybody loves to talk about the weather...

NOT IN PHOENIX. If it's 115° out and you ask somebody "Hot enough for ya?" then you'd best be prepared to run for your life. And for pity's sake, don't say "but it's a dry heat" because no jury in Phoenix would convict anybody for the outcome of that one.

[Old Goat]

The only correct response is, "Am I free to go?" If they respond "no" then you ask why you are being detained.

Idle conversation gets you nothing.

This is nasty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G87 ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc&feature=channel)

[Old Goat]

The video from the above incident:

http://www.youtube.com/checkpointusa

This was a Border Patrol stop NOT at the border. Obama's Homeland Security at work.

[Physics Hunter]

The only correct response is, "Am I free to go?" If they respond "no" then you ask why you are being detained.

Idle conversation gets you nothing.

This is nasty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G87 ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc&feature=channel)

Thanks for that. I had just come back to the thread to ask for a corrrect response. Well done.

[AZslim]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

Would it have been OK if it turned out to be a DUI checkpoint or if they were looking for "terrorists"?

I have read on tis forum many times to the effect of "I will support my government no matter what if it protects us from another attack". I have been against DUI checkpoints because they are random searches, and I have warned against giving up too much to "feel safe". Now that your guy isn't in power, maybe you'll see may point better.

I agree it was ********.

[khigh]

Would it have been OK if it turned out to be a DUI checkpoint or if they were looking for "terrorists"?

I have read on tis forum many times to the effect of "I will support my government no matter what if it protects us from another attack". I have been against DUI checkpoints because they are random searches, and I have warned against giving up too much to "feel safe". Now that your guy isn't in power, maybe you'll see may point better.

I agree it was ********.

Certain places need checkpoints: border crossings and entering military bases. Other than that, not a huge fan of them, but I really don't care- I always tell them I am carrying the second I see a cop and then, there is nothing for me to hide. No worries here.

[gdoane]

The only correct response is, "Am I free to go?" If they respond "no" then you ask why you are being detained.

Idle conversation gets you nothing.

This is nasty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G87 ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc&feature=channel)

They had to bust two windows out of his car to effect an arrest? That's resisting arrest. That's a felony in and of itself.

This guy thinks he has a right to refuse police orders, barricade himself in his vehicle, resist arrest, and then complain that he got a little ouchie?

The dude is a certifiable moron.

[mgifford]

So, having been there standing in the Troopers shoes... what would your reaction been to some of the wise-ass and or defiant responses given here? Would that influence your decision as to whether or not you were going to write them a ticket?

As far as whether I'm going to write a ticket or not, I made my mind up before I stopped the driver, but things that are said can and have caused me to change my mind. I never ever wrote a ticket because a driver gave me a ration, but if they deserved one, then they were rude, I wrote them as decided in the first place
I never was much of a ticket writer actually. I let a lot of people go over the years.

[Old Goat]

Check the other video.

The guy did nothing wrong but refuse to allow a search without a warrant. That is within his rights.

Is it okay to have roving bands of BP agents setting up checkpoints not at the border?

[Dale in GA]

The few times I've been stopped I've treated the officer(s) professionally and respectfully and done everything in my power to assure them that I pose no threat to them.

I've never been arrested and rarely gotten a ticket.

[mgifford]

One thing which hasn't been mentioned is that, many, many times when a pullover is made, felonies are foiled. The husband who has told his wife he's going to find a place to kill her, the kidnapped child who is saved simply because a pullover is made, or a serial killer has his victim, who screams when the officer makes the pullover.

In fact, pullovers are the best way to protect the citizens from being victims.

[Tangible]

wow, a four page thread on someone being pulled over and being asked "where are you going?" This thread would fill an encyclopedia on hip-hop and Hispanic boards.

[Old Goat]

One thing which hasn't been mentioned is that, many, many times when a pullover is made, felonies are foiled. The husband who has told his wife he's going to find a place to kill her, the kidnapped child who is saved simply because a pullover is made, or a serial killer has his victim, who screams when the officer makes the pullover.

In fact, pullovers are the best way to protect the citizens from being victims.


But you see, by doing this, all the citizens are victims. Victims of a force far more dangerous than a strawman serial killer.

"Show me your papers."

[davetexas]

next time say "that a way"

[mgifford]

But you see, by doing this, all the citizens are victims. Victims of a force far more dangerous than a strawman serial killer.

"Show me your papers."

I'm speaking of legitimate pullovers, not made up charges. If a department stops enough people for traffic violations, they will smoke out a good many criminals. A young wife was killed while on a jogging path two years ago. Her killer was unknown until he was stopped on a violation a few days later and the evidence was in the mans car.

[gdoane]

Check the other video.

The guy did nothing wrong but refuse to allow a search without a warrant. That is within his rights.

He was informed in no uncertain terms that he was under arrest. He barricaded and resisted.

If a cop tells you that you're under arrest then it's not rocket science. You're under arrest. Police are within their authority to arrest you. Resisting arrest is a criminal act in and of itself, a class 6 felony in Arizona.

This incident happened in Arizona and I'm an Arizona resident with some basic layman knowledge of the laws in my home State.

This guy SERIOUSLY screwed up barricading himself in his car and resisting arrest. If a duly sworn DPS officer says you're under arrest and you say "oh no I'm not", then here's the deal. You just crossed the line and committed a felony. If you think a car window is going to keep you from a cop arresting you for a FELONY IN PROGRESS then you're going to see breaking glass in your face.

This guy is a nutcake. First of all, he demands the dog to be brought back out again. Like that's going to happen? The dog isn't even a sentient being. Was this guy going to have the dog swear in and testify before a jury too?

Secondly, he asks, POINT BLANK "Am I Under Arrest?" and he's told POINT BLANK "YOU ARE UNDER ARREST." That's the end of the story right there. Resisting arrest is a class 6 felony in Arizona. The argument that a cop doesn't have arrest powers is a non-starter and it's not an argument which any competent lawyer would even try to make.

Finally, he's barricaded in a fully functional car which can EASILY be converted to a lethal weapon. Engine running, 100+ horsepower, mow down cops with one stomp on the gas pedal. Cars kill about 50,000 Americans every year by accident. Imagine how deadly they are on purpose.

I really don't feel sorry for this guy. Even if the cops crossed a line, he complicated the matter and crossed a couple of lines himself.

[Old Goat]

I'm speaking of ligitimate pullovers, not made up charges. If a department stops enough people for traffic violations, they will smoke out a good many criminals. A young wife was killed while on a jogging path two years ago. Her killer was unknown until he was stopped on a violation a few days later and the evidence was in the mans car.


You are right. There is certainly nothing wrong with probable cause and legitimate traffic stops. I have a problem with roadblocks and certainly am troubled by the Homeland Security/Border Patrol harassment that is occurring far from the border. At the border, no problem. I will happily provide papers at the border.

[Physics Hunter]

The few times I've been stopped I've treated the officer(s) professionally and respectfully and done everything in my power to assure them that I pose no threat to them.

I've never been arrested and rarely gotten a ticket.

My wife hates it but I rarely get a ticket for the same reason. I keep my hands on the wheel, ask permission to reach for things, call them "Officer" or "Sir".

And when I do get a ticket I tell them "Thank you" and "Thanks for being out here to protect us." After a rude officer once gave me a ticket and I said something to that effect, the guy actually came back and apologized.

They have a tough job.

[Old Goat]

He was informed in no uncertain terms that he was under arrest. He barricaded and resisted.

If a cop tells you that you're under arrest then it's not rocket science. You're under arrest. Police are within their authority to arrest you. Resisting arrest is a criminal act in and of itself, a class 6 felony in Arizona.

This incident happened in Arizona and I'm an Arizona resident with some basic layman knowledge of the laws in my home State.

This guy SERIOUSLY screwed up barricading himself in his car and resisting arrest. If a duly sworn DPS officer says you're under arrest and you say "oh no I'm not", then here's the deal. You just crossed the line and committed a felony. If you think a car window is going to keep you from a cop arresting you for a FELONY IN PROGRESS then you're going to see breaking glass in your face.

This guy is a nutcake. First of all, he demands the dog to be brought back out again. Like that's going to happen? The dog isn't even a sentient being. Was this guy going to have the dog swear in and testify before a jury too?

Secondly, he asks, POINT BLANK "Am I Under Arrest?" and he's told POINT BLANK "YOU ARE UNDER ARREST." That's the end of the story right there. Resisting arrest is a class 6 felony in Arizona. The argument that a cop doesn't have arrest powers is a non-starter and it's not an argument which any competent lawyer would even try to make.

Finally, he's barricaded in a fully functional car which can EASILY be converted to a lethal weapon. Engine running, 100+ horsepower, mow down cops with one stomp on the gas pedal. Cars kill about 50,000 Americans every year by accident. Imagine how deadly they are on purpose.

I really don't feel sorry for this guy. Even if the cops crossed a line, he complicated the matter and crossed a couple of lines himself.


Yeah, he might be a nut. On the other hand, the arrest was flawed because the officer refused to tell him the grounds for the arrest. The only thing he said was he was being arrest for not obeying the officer. In this case the officer was very unprofessional. In any case, strong arm behavior was not necessary when a bit of diplomacy would have worked.

Since you are in AZ perhaps you have seen more of this and have other facts of which I am unaware.

If the cops crossed a line, as you suggest, then I wish for them to pay with the loss of their freedoms for many years.

We really don't need roving bands of Homeland Security thugs checking the papers of U.S. citizens.

[mgifford]

You are right. There is certainly nothing wrong with probable cause and legitimate traffic stops. I have a problem with roadblocks and certainly am troubled by the Homeland Security/Border Patrol harassment that is occurring far from the border. At the border, no problem. I will happily provide papers at the border.

Roadblocks are certainly legal and are for a check for illegal/no drivers license drivers.

[Gabby]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?
Sounds to me like the cop was just striking up conversation while he was looking for whatever the check point was for. Maybe he was looking for an escaped ax murderer and was checking out if anyone besides you was in the vehicle. I doubt he cared one way or the other where you were going.

[Old Goat]

Roadblocks are certainly legal and are for a check for illegal/no drivers license drivers.

I realize they are considered legal. I don't agree with that position and hope you and others can understand what a slippery slope that is. Perhaps when we have one on every block you will understand.

We now have a virtually untrained, uneducated and incompetent national police force. Whereas the FBI, as the primary federal law enforcement arm of yesteryear, is very capable we now have TSA agents that are incapable of uttering a coherent sentence.

Is this what we really want? False security instead of freedom?

[mgifford]

Sounds to me like the cop was just striking up conversation while he was looking for whatever the check point was for. Maybe he was look for an escaped ax murderer and was checking out if anyone besides you was in the vihicle. I I doubt he cared one way or the other where you were going.

You're pretty smart Gabby.

[RKing]

I always keep some donuts in the car, freshness is irrelevant.
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/6890/hmreatdonut.gif

[BOOOOOOSHHHH]

to see if you have been drinking probably.They can and do do that,at least here in Canuckada.

[cadameas]

Sounds to me like the cop was just striking up conversation while he was looking for whatever the check point was for. Maybe he was looking for an escaped ax murderer and was checking out if anyone besides you was in the vehicle. I doubt he cared one way or the other where you were going.

I agree.
He was sriking up conversation to see if you slurred your words or if you smelled of alcohol. Maybe to see what type of eye contact he would get because if you are high your eyes do all kinds of crazy stuff when they are fixed on one point.

I don't think this was in any way meant to violate your rights and I don't see anything wrong with DUI check points it keeps people from getting killed by drunk drivers or drivers who are on drugs. I suggest next time you see a traffic stop you turn off if you are so offended by law enforcement doing their jobs.

[MrShotShot]

I'm sure it was related to the "click it or ticket" campaign. NYS law enforcement is making a push on that for the next month or so.

I agree that he was probably just making conversation.

I've never had them do anything but wave me through one of these checkpoints. It's pretty easy for them to see everything they need to see - seat belt engaged, not talking on your phone, inspection up to date, and registration valid. Typically my window isn't even down.

But yeah, I do agree that the question was a bit off-putting.

[signcut]

Yeah, he might be a nut. On the other hand, the arrest was flawed because the officer refused to tell him the grounds for the arrest. The only thing he said was he was being arrest for not obeying the officer. In this case the officer was very unprofessional. In any case, strong arm behavior was not necessary when a bit of diplomacy would have worked.

Since you are in AZ perhaps you have seen more of this and have other facts of which I am unaware.

If the cops crossed a line, as you suggest, then I wish for them to pay with the loss of their freedoms for many years.

We really don't need roving bands of Homeland Security thugs checking the papers of U.S. citizens.

First, an arrest is not invalidated if the arrestee is not informed prior to the arrest of what they are being arrested for. As a warrantless arrest for a felony being committed in the officer's presence, the arrest, I warrant, will stand. Diplomacy is not required, btw; while it may be nice in some situations, it is wasted in others, and this was one.

Second, this was not a 'roving band of thugs', it was a checkpoint that, while it may not be manned daily, has been in the same place for some time. It was not a random stop, in other words, which your wording would lead someone who didn't know to believe.

Hey, you don't like checkpoints, fine. Let's not try to blur the lines...

[cmit]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

I live near a checkpoint like you speak of. They were started after 9/11. They are allowed to be up to 100 miles from the boarder (in my case Canada) to enforce boarder security.

They were started by Bush. I don't agree with them but thank the Patriot Act.

[cmit]

I live near a checkpoint like you speak of. They were started after 9/11. They are allowed to be up to 100 miles from the boarder (in my case Canada) to enforce boarder security.

They were started by Bush. I don't agree with them but thank the Patriot Act.

To be specific the one I hit all the time is near exit 30 on I87. They ask all kinds of stupid questions, are you citizen, where are you going, etc.

[signcut]

To be specific the one I hit all the time is near exit 30 on I87. They ask all kinds of stupid questions, are you citizen, where are you going, etc.

As pointed out by other LE before, it is less the verbal response than the non-verbal that is important.

[cmit]

As pointed out by other LE before, it is less the verbal response than the non-verbal that is important.

Not sure I follow you?

[nortman]

Officer: Where are going?
Me: Wal-mart official business, on a sham wow run. Napolitano had another accident. Incontinence will not be tolerated.

Got that Leahy?Drop me a line from "Club Gitmo" when you can.

[7426k]

In Vermont, we have had checkpoints run by border patrol off and on ever since 2001. The stops are setup about 90 miles south of the border where two major interstates come together.

I remember discussing the constitutionality (or lack thereof ) in the past. I remember being called a terrorist sympathizer, libtard etc....for saying that the stops were wrong.

[tjvh]

I live near a checkpoint like you speak of. They were started after 9/11. They are allowed to be up to 100 miles from the boarder (in my case Canada) to enforce boarder security.

They were started by Bush. I don't agree with them but thank the Patriot Act.

Honestly, I thought this thread would die off fairly quickly yesterday. It's sole premise was to get people to "think" about how people with badges use their power... I guess I have plenty of insight now. I actually was within 100 miles of a Canadian border, so there's a possibility. Although I suspect they were more interested in generating State Revenue, than looking for Illegals.

[cmit]

Honestly, I thought this thread would die off fairly quickly yesterday. It's sole premise was to get people to "think" about how people with badges use their power... I guess I have plenty of insight now. I actually was within 100 miles of a Canadian border, so there's a possibility. Although I suspect they were more interested in generating State Revenue, than looking for Illegals.

Yep. Of course what they are suppose to do and what they do are two different things.

[cmit]

In Vermont, we have had checkpoints run by border patrol off and on ever since 2001. The stops are setup about 90 miles south of the border where two major interstates come together.

I remember discussing the constitutionality (or lack thereof ) in the past. I remember being called a terrorist sympathizer, libtard etc....for saying that the stops were wrong.

+1 from Charlotte, VT.

[tjvh]

Yep. Of course what they are suppose to do and what they do are two different things.

Exactly! Well, at least I don't feel as if I was "blowing it out of proportion" as much as I "did" yesterday. Glad to see some feel the same way I do... A bit less FREE.:lol:

[7426k]

+1 from Charlotte, VT.

Charlotte?!?!

Eh.....look out your window <waves>

[signcut]

In Vermont, we have had checkpoints run by border patrol off and on ever since 2001. The stops are setup about 90 miles south of the border where two major interstates come together.

I remember discussing the constitutionality (or lack thereof ) in the past. I remember being called a terrorist sympathizer, libtard etc....for saying that the stops were wrong.

The Supreme Court has recognized the Constitutionality of Border Patrol checkpoints within 100 miles of the border; to my knowledge, as that is not my job, there is no such restriction on state and local police. This is pertinent because that is the type of checkpoint mentioned in the OP.

[Professor1072]

One thing which hasn't been mentioned is that, many, many times when a pullover is made, felonies are foiled. The husband who has told his wife he's going to find a place to kill her, the kidnapped child who is saved simply because a pullover is made, or a serial killer has his victim, who screams when the officer makes the pullover.

In fact, pullovers are the best way to protect the citizens from being victims.

I agree, we also can prevent many victims of domestic violence, burglary, rapist and countless other crimes if we just let police officers drop in to your home randomly and snoop around...They should be allowed to look in your closets, under your bed, you know just in case the criminal heard them coming and hid you or themselves in those places. And actually, we should be required to leave our doors unlocked too so that entry into our home by the police officer can be unimpeded after all if we know a nice police officer may be coming by why shouldn't be afraid of doing as such.

And if you happen to be home when they come by and you refuse to let them in and disobey their direct order than you should be dragged out to jail too because it is a felony to disobey an officers order and as such if you disobey you are resisting arrest.

[DarkStarrRingo]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

I was pulled into a checkpoint this weekend because I was on a motorcycle. Only bikes were being directed to pull over. Our helmets were inspected for DOT compliance, and we had to produce registration, license and proof of insurance.

Talk about being singled out.

[ChazBedlam]

What's the Fourth Amendment issue here?

(It seems clear that this wasn't a routine traffic stop, but for the moment lets assume that the stop was legal I.E. the police officer had a reasonable suspicion that Vaard and/or his(?) vehicle matched the description of a person that had committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.)

Dude, if someone pulls me out of my car, pats me down, and searches my vehicle without telling me why that is a clear violation of my 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable search. Not only that, but I'll add that Vaard's 5th amendment rights were violated when his right to Liberty (he was detained, albeit briefly) was taken without due process of law.

I don't really see why people just simply allow Police in this country to violate civil rights just because they "are trying to do their job". Excusing small infractions of our rights makes a nice catalyst for them to start violating them in a major way. Of course, most people in America wouldn't mind living in a Police State, so what do I know?

[mgifford]

I agree, we also can prevent many victims of domestic violence, burglary, rapist and countless other crimes if we just let police officers drop in to your home randomly and snoop around...They should be allowed to look in your closets, under your bed, you know just in case the criminal heard them coming and hid you or themselves in those places. And actually, we should be required to leave our doors unlocked too so that entry into our home by the police officer can be unimpeded after all if we know a nice police officer may be coming by why shouldn't be afraid of doing as such.

And if you happen to be home when they come by and you refuse to let them in and disobey their direct order than you should be dragged out to jail too because it is a felony to disobey an officers order and as such if you disobey you are resisting arrest.

Hey, you got it so now tell your friends.

[mgifford]

I agree, we also can prevent many victims of domestic violence, burglary, rapist and countless other crimes if we just let police officers drop in to your home randomly and snoop around...They should be allowed to look in your closets, under your bed, you know just in case the criminal heard them coming and hid you or themselves in those places. And actually, we should be required to leave our doors unlocked too so that entry into our home by the police officer can be unimpeded after all if we know a nice police officer may be coming by why shouldn't be afraid of doing as such.

And if you happen to be home when they come by and you refuse to let them in and disobey their direct order than you should be dragged out to jail too because it is a felony to disobey an officers order and as such if you disobey you are resisting arrest.

We as humans don't generally like to be told what to do or to be hindered from our moving around the city (I don't either) Truth is that because citizens don't like being told what to do or stopped by cops, especially if they get a ticket, said citizens call foul.

Most officers will never use their time on a forum explaining their duties to protect and to serve as I have, they are the smart ones, I'm the dumb one. They won't spend time saying that "I always ask where someone is going". Tho I stated that I ask that as anyone on the street corner says "good morning".

If LE shows that we are human to many people, that's when we get a totally "STUPID" remark as seen above. I guess I just simply forgot that I shouldn't do that, but always should keep the eyes peeled for a man, woman, or 12 year old, who may kill me and deprive my family of a provider instead..then to hell with what citizens think about me or the badge.

Not like the soldiers in Iraq who were stooping down giving candy to some kids, when they got their asses shot off a few years ago...police officers should always remember to show strength, and never try to be extra nice when making pullovers. I guess it's best to just "SMILE" and write the ticket, because generally we'll get the same disgust from some citizens we're bound to protect anyway.

[bitterclinger84]

I agree, we also can prevent many victims of domestic violence, burglary, rapist and countless other crimes if we just let police officers drop in to your home randomly and snoop around...They should be allowed to look in your closets, under your bed, you know just in case the criminal heard them coming and hid you or themselves in those places. And actually, we should be required to leave our doors unlocked too so that entry into our home by the police officer can be unimpeded after all if we know a nice police officer may be coming by why shouldn't be afraid of doing as such.

And if you happen to be home when they come by and you refuse to let them in and disobey their direct order than you should be dragged out to jail too because it is a felony to disobey an officers order and as such if you disobey you are resisting arrest.

:eek: :think: :eh: :doh:

[mgifford]

PS, we're a free (tho not for long) country because of two people. The soldier and police officer, think about it.

[southtx30]

I would have said to your mom's house. You want me to tell her hi for you.

Seriously,

Typical popo (police) question. Nothing to hide I would have told em.

[bitterclinger84]

PS, we're a free (tho not for long) country because of two people. The soldier and police officer, think about it.

Amen. :flag: Thank you for all that you do.

[Broseph]

PS, we're a free (tho not for long) country because of two people. The soldier and police officer, think about it.

We're a police state because of two people. The politician and the police officer.

[mgifford]

We're a police state because of two people. The politician and the police officer.

I say tell the politicians to FIRE all the police officers and let you police yourselves.

[wiley8425]

Yeah, he might be a nut. On the other hand, the arrest was flawed because the officer refused to tell him the grounds for the arrest.

The officer isn't required to tell you what they are arresting you for. They are only required to read you your Miranda rights. Telling you what they are arresting you for is usually meaningless anyway considering by the time you go to court, they have tacked on a number of charges that weren't mentioned at the time of arrest anyway.

[bitterclinger84]

We're a police state because of two people. The politician and the police officer.

Yea, you're right. All the cops are corrupt, abusers of power. They should be fired, right away.

:think:

On second thought, let's put everyone who thinks like you in one part of the country, with no gov't and no cops. I'll see you on the other side of eternity.

[Broseph]

I say tell the politicians to FIRE all the police officers and let you police yourselves.

Although that would never happen...

I'd go for that any day over the system we have with the government (politicians) using their agents (police) to protect the government from its people.

[Broseph]

Yea, you're right. All the cops are corrupt, abusers of power. They should be fired, right away.

:think:

On second thought, let's put everyone who thinks like you in one part of the country, with no gov't and no cops. I'll see you on the other side of eternity.

I'm up for this idea.

[BostonPatriot]

Yea, you're right. All the cops are corrupt, abusers of power. They should be fired, right away.

:think:

On second thought, let's put everyone who thinks like you in one part of the country, with no gov't and no cops. I'll see you on the other side of eternity.

Of course, the first time you get mugged, you're on your own...

[mgifford]

The officer isn't required to tell you what they are arresting you for. They are only required to read you your Miranda rights. Telling you what they are arresting you for is usually meaningless anyway considering by the time you go to court, they have tacked on a number of charges that weren't mentioned at the time of arrest anyway.

That isn't correct, but close.

[wiley8425]

That isn't correct, but close.


Criminal Procedure - Arrest




The general rule is that to make an arrest, the police must obtain an arrest warrant. However, if an officer has probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed, and there is no time to obtain a warrant, the officer may make a warrantless arrest. An officer also may make a warrantless arrest of persons who commit a crime in the officer's presence. An invalid arrest is not generally a defense to prosecution. However, if an arrest is unsupported by probable cause, evidence obtained pursuant to the invalid arrest can be excluded from trial.
When an arrest is made, the arresting officer must read the Miranda warnings to the arrestee. These warnings apprise an arrestee of the right to obtain counsel and the right to remain silent. If these warnings are not read to an arrestee as soon as he or she is taken into custody, any statements that the arrestee makes after the arrest may be excluded from trial.
After the arrest, the police must follow certain guidelines during their investigations. For example, if the arrestee requests an attorney or expresses a wish to remain silent, the officers must honor the request and refrain from questioning the arrestee. However, the police may attempt to confirm that they have arrested the right person. They may do so by showing a victim a photo array that includes a picture of the suspect; by arranging a lineup of live persons at the police station, with the suspect included in the lineup; or by organizing a show-up, which is a personal showing of the arrestee to the victim shortly after commission of the crime.
Where photo arrays or lineups are used, the police must refrain from highlighting the arrestee. For example, if an arrestee is white, an officer may not show a witness a series of photographs in which all of the other subjects are black. If an identification procedure is too suggestive, any identification by the victim may be excluded from trial.



Read more: "Criminal Procedure - Arrest" - http://law.jrank.org/pages/5878/Criminal-Procedure-Arrest.html#ixzz0G4weG8Lb&A


The time for determining whether or not the police had cause to arrest is at trial, not during the arrest.

[mgifford]

I know of times when someone is seen as more important to come on the scene than the male deliverer with a Million bucks. The police officer, when your child has been abducted and he comes with that child in his arms safe and alive and when an intruder is pulled off your naked self, before he rapes and kills your kid or your wife. Happens all the time.

[mgifford]

The time for determining whether or not the police had cause to arrest is at trial, not during the arrest.





Thanks for explaining that to me.

[jimjames418]

That isn't correct, but close.
I guess. If there is a warrant out for the arrest you must tell the person that the arrest is due to the warrant, not the reason the warrant was issued. Otherwise "you are under arrest for DWI, DUI, ressisting arrest, ect". :think:

[mgifford]

I guess. If there is a warrant out for the arrest you must tell the person that the arrest is due to the warrant, not the reason the warrant was issued. Otherwise "you are under arrest for DWI, DUI, ressisting arrest, ect". :think:

To start with, anyone who gets arrested knows what for. If you are DUI, you don't have to be told. Unless it's a warrant and you simply say "I have a warrant for your arrest", yes.

[jimjames418]

To start with, anyone who gets arrested knows what for. If you are DUI, you don't have to be told. Unless it's a warrant and you simply say "I have a warrant for your arrest", yes.
According to my daughter, who was a police officer for a number of years, it is policy to state the reason while putting the handcuffs on an individual.

And since the police can't read minds it is kind of stupid to think that an arrested person can. :lol:

[mgifford]

According to my daughter, who was a police officer for a number of years, it is policy to state the reason while putting the handcuffs on an individual.

And since the police can't read minds it is kind of stupid to think that an arrested person can. :lol:

I'm sure she knows!

[cmorlan]

i was driving to work one day.... not speeding, not doing anyto be pulled over for or anything.......

2 minutes after i get on the highway, i get pulled over by a state trooper......

he makes me get out of the car, pats me down, makes me take out by cell phone form my pocket, asks me where i am going (to work i say, even give directions of how to get there).....

he tells me to stand by the back wheel and then proceeds to search my truck...... never asks permission or if there is anything illegal i might have... nothing

apparently doesnt find what he is looking for and just turns, gets in his car and speeds off, going to the right of my truck on the shoulder then takes off.......


he never asked me my name or for my liscense or registration or anything... whole incident took less than 2 minutes....... i was left standing there saying to myself "what the hell just happened?!?"


wierdest thing that ever happened to me with my encounter with law enforcement.......


I would have been livid and getting badge numbers and supervisors names... if he refused I would have gotten the unit number off his car and called the police... thats just rediculious.

[cmorlan]

that might have been the strangest thing of all.....


he was this older heaveir guy, but he didnt have this air of authoritarism with him, his attitude came more andy griffith-ish than the guy from cool hand luke.....


i have gotten out of the car to talk with officers before, but when he didnt ask even my name or for license and reg, it kinda threw me off kilter.......

it was a very surreal experience......


i didnt even feel that my rights were violated or get angry during or after the event....... it was just such a strange experience i had to share.......

are you sure he wasn't an impersonator?

[RKing]

I agree.
He was sriking up conversation to see if you slurred your words or if you smelled of alcohol. Maybe to see what type of eye contact he would get because if you are high your eyes do all kinds of crazy stuff when they are fixed on one point.

I don't think this was in any way meant to violate your rights and I don't see anything wrong with DUI check points it keeps people from getting killed by drunk drivers or drivers who are on drugs. I suggest next time you see a traffic stop you turn off if you are so offended by law enforcement doing their jobs.

Was it "Hey friend, where are you headed this evening?"

or

"Where the **** do you think you're goin'!

[hayek]

I've been asked that question by officers my whole life. "Where are you headed?" usually followed by "why are you in a hurry to get there?" :)

The better question is.... why is this thread in WP?

[signcut]

Not sure I follow you?

Most of the arrests that I have made off checkpoints have not been because the vehicle came up with arms and legs sticking out the trunk and windows (although that does happen on occasion). It was from developing reasonable suspicion and beyond, based on numerous factors derived from a few innocuous questions.

Look at it this way: have you ever asked questions of someone that you really didn't care what the answer was, in order to see how they would react? If so, then you should have an idea of what was happening. In my line of work, it's somewhat different than the police, but the basis is the same...

[Trip]

First, an arrest is not invalidated if the arrestee is not informed prior to the arrest of what they are being arrested for. As a warrantless arrest for a felony being committed in the officer's presence, the arrest, I warrant, will stand. Diplomacy is not required, btw; while it may be nice in some situations, it is wasted in others, and this was one.

Second, this was not a 'roving band of thugs', it was a checkpoint that, while it may not be manned daily, has been in the same place for some time. It was not a random stop, in other words, which your wording would lead someone who didn't know to believe.

Hey, you don't like checkpoints, fine. Let's not try to blur the lines...

As far as I can tell, Anderson was charged with two criminial counts , 1) refusing to obey a lawful order and, 2) blocking a public highway. Of note, nowhere in here is there anything about resisting arrest. In my view the "blocking public highway" is somewhat of a bogus charge since he was repeatedly told that he could not go.

So then we have refusing to Obey a lawful order.

That "lawful order" was solely predicated on an alert from the dog, but nothing was found in the car. Dog's give false alerts rarely. If police can violate our rights based on solely having a dog present, then that doesn't say much about the security of our freedoms.

At this point I'm inclined to believe the dog was a falsely reported alert that never occurred. While some say that Anderson was instigating the Border Officers (he was indeed obnoxious), it might also be viewed that the Border Patrol were instigating Anderson in his weekly commutes through these Border Patrol stops where he surely was recognized.

There's no indication that Anderson was doing anything illegal and he did comply with the Supreme Court approved Border Patrol inspection area by stopping. He did not answer questions, which was his right. He apparently also challenged the claim of an alert from the dog, which is more than suspect.

There's a problem here in that the Border Patrol are making the claim about the dog, but did not themselves act on the claim beyond telling Anderson to pull to the secondary area, whereas the Arizona DPS officers acted on the statements of the Border Patrol which they had not witnessed and then, in all likelihood, exceeded reasonable force.

Of note, below, Arizona DPS's public statement makes no mention of the canine alert which is what would give support for any "lawful order". And Arizona DPS recognizes their shaky ground in acting on Border Patrol claims with the statement:

An investigation by the Arizona Department of Public Safety's Professional Standards Bureau is underway. DPS is looking at current agency policies and procedures that officers must comply with when requested by any agency to respond to checkpoints. (http://www.abc15.com/content/news/centralsouthernarizona/tucson/story/Tempe-pastor-Border-Patrol-beat-him-at-checkpoint/FYxzzCRcnUehq5uY8nZXHQ.cspx)

It seems clear that Arizona DPS recognizes it is out on a limb having acted on "just cause" that they themselves not only could not testify to but also the Border Patrol refused a direct request from Arizona DPS to bring the dog out for a second test.

There seems to be further doubt in Anderson's behalf due to one agency making the claim and the other agency acting upon a claim they did not themselves witness. Evidently there's some reason for concern about the Border Patrol testament involving the dog's alert given nothing was discovered and they refused the Arizona DPS request to bring the dog out again.

*It should be noted that in 1976, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of Federal checkpoints near border areas to enforce laws prohibiting illegal immigration. This U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint along Interstate 8 is in compliance with federal law.* (http://www.abc15.com/content/news/centralsouthernarizona/tucson/story/Tempe-pastor-Border-Patrol-beat-him-at-checkpoint/FYxzzCRcnUehq5uY8nZXHQ.cspx)

Curiously, the above concluding statement from Arizona DPS about "Border Patrol checkpoint along Interstate 8 <being> in compliance with federal law (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95300)" is irrelevant to the actions of the BP agents and DPS NOT being in compliance with (violating) other law.

[Samm]

Then the appropriate question is "Have you been drinking?" not "Where are you going?"

Few drunks would actually tell the truth to such an obvious question. You're not going to get many folks say "Heck yeah I"m loaded!" so to determine the truth the questioning takes a bit of a Columbo turn of "oh, by the way..." (man am I showing my age).

If the intent of engaging a person in conversation is to obtain information (based on the enunciation of their speech) regarding them possibly being intoxicated, the response to the direct question "have you been drinking" will work just as well as asking anything else including something that is none of their business.

[Samm]

If a cop wants to engage in potentially revealing small talk he should ask about the weather. Everybody loves to talk about the weather
NOT IN PHOENIX. If it's 115° out and you ask somebody "Hot enough for ya?" then you'd best be prepared to run for your life. And for pity's sake, don't say "but it's a dry heat" because no jury in Phoenix would convict anybody for the outcome of that one.

Think of all the "information" you would get from that response...

Much more information than from "Where ya headed?" ;)

[Samm]

Of course, the first time you get mugged, you're on your own...

You are anyway... unless the cop is standing there watching it happen. The police respond to crime and help reduce crime in a general sense; they have no responsibility to protect you from individual crime.

[RKing]

You are anyway... unless the cop is standing there watching it happen. The police respond to crime and help reduce crime in a general sense; they have no responsibility to protect you from individual crime.
Man, then what up with "to protect and serve"
I feel like I have been conned

[skid vicious]

NYSP has been pulling this gestapo garbage for some time now. they even get federal money for it. Every year during Americade, they set up motorcycle only checkpoints. To check safety equipment of course.
$$$ to gov't to selectively inspect certain vehicles= state sponsored harrassment.

Reducing Motorcycle Fatalities through Checkpoints and Education: The New York State Experience

http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1536&issue_id=72008
http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/issues/72008/images/Page-28a.jpg

the results.
http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Public_Information/2007_News_Releases/10-11-07_Results_from_State_Police_Motorcycle_Safety_Che ckpoint.cfm

[Samm]

Man, then what up with "to protect and serve"
I feel like I have been conned

You have been... that is just a catchy motto. But it does not take a huge intellect to understand that police can not stop individual crimes... unless they happen to see the crime unfolding or the criminal unwisely picks a policeman as his mark. At best, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

[RKing]

You have been... that is just a catchy motto. But it does not take a huge intellect to understand that police can not stop individual crimes... unless they happen to see the crime unfolding or the criminal unwisely picks a policeman as his mark. At best, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

That's when I call my friend, Sig Sauer.

[Dual867PowerMac]

"Where are you going?"
TJVH, the proper response to that would be: "None of your business."

[notluzn]

I was pulled over in Tempe near ASU back in 2002 and a cop asked me where I was going and I said to a Bar. He said, Ok and let me go. What was that about? I guess he figured he catch up to me later. Sad thing he was on a Bike.

[AutoRacer55]

So I stop at this NY State Police checkpoint this afternoon (nowhere near a border), assuming they are checking Inspection stickers, and Registrations... No big deal. I pull up, and this Trooper wearing the mirrored "cop" glasses from "Cool hand Luke" hits me with his FIRST question... "Where are you going?" My question here is... Am I still living in America?

His second question: What route are you taking?
His third question: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[ScottFree]

Question: Where are you going?

(My) Answer: I'm going to Heaven. Where are you going?

[notluzn]

You should have said "Im going to Your moms house!"

[ScottFree]

The absolute funniest drug enforcement checkpoint ever:

http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/01/12/003495P.pdf

[cadameas]

Was it "Hey friend, where are you headed this evening?"

or

"Where the **** do you think you're goin'!

I can say that most officers are not going to use the second version of that question unless they have good reason to be using it. Check points are just that check points to make sure nothing unlawful is being done. They have no reason to use that type of language at a check point, unless someone gets jumpy. I have stopped at a few check points in my area and they ask "where are you going?" "where are you comming from?" "how are you tonight?" or just simply "license and registration please" it is nothing but simple conversation to engage you and check for any suspicious activity. If you have nothing to hide you are on your way. There is nothing wrong with the question but some people think it is some sort of conspiracy, or some way to violate their rights, when it is just simply a question with no intent behind it, other then to check for suspicious behavior.

[AutoRacer55]

You should have said "Im going to Your moms house!"

Win.

[sgtmac_46]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))

They can ASK you whatever question they want if the checkpoint itself is legitimate...........nobody said you couldn't give the Vaard answer.


This is pretty damn melodramatic over the 'So where you heading?' question!

[sgtmac_46]

Was it "Hey friend, where are you headed this evening?"

or

"Where the **** do you think you're goin'!

I only use the second version on special occasions.

[sgtmac_46]

You should have said "Im going to Your moms house!"
I'd be careful with the smart answers like that one......just might be construed as a threat.

Best answer given so far was by Vaard.....'I'm going that way'......that's what I would have said myself.

[signcut]

Awful lot of keyboard kommandoes here...

:cool:

[sgtmac_46]

Awful lot of keyboard kommandoes here...

:cool:

Word......

[notluzn]

Awful lot of keyboard kommandoes here...

:cool:
A lot of jokes but that it. Like I said before, I told a cop that i was heading to a bar. Police officers can have a funny bone also. Not all are ready to taze you for anything. Stop watching TV. :)

[signcut]

A lot of jokes but that it. Like I said before, I told a cop that i was heading to a bar. Police officers can have a funny bone also. Not all are ready to taze you for anything. Stop watching TV. :)

What I was saying is that there are an awful lot of people on this thread yakking about how they'd tell some cop to **** off, when the reality is so much different...



Easy to be a internet tough guy, is all.

[RKing]

You should have said "Im going to Your moms house!"
Where you were going would no longer be in question.

[gdoane]

What I was saying is that there are an awful lot of people on this thread yakking about how they'd tell some cop to **** off, when the reality is so much different...



Easy to be a internet tough guy, is all.

A lot of people just don't think things through. I saw a guy pulled over for speeding and noticed that the likelihood of talking his way out of a ticket might be greatly diminished by the NASCAR bumper sticker on the back of his car.

[Fire Watch]

A lot of people just don't think things through. I saw a guy pulled over for speeding and noticed that the likelihood of talking his way out of a ticket might be greatly diminished by the NASCAR bumper sticker on the back of his car.
The same holds true for those blacktop comedians with the oh so hilarious "Bad Cop, No Donut" bumper stickers.

[RKing]

The same holds true for those blacktop comedians with the oh so hilarious "Bad Cop, No Donut" bumper stickers.

I would hypothesize that people with those bumper stickers have a significantly higher number of tickets.

[bigtwnvin]

You should have told him:

"I'm on the way to your house. Your wife just called me and told me you were
at work and she was lonely."

Whatever else happened, you'd have the guy worrying in the back of his mind
for some time to come.
Next time you get pulled over for whatever reason I have a hundred bucks says you don't have the cujones to say something moronic like that to a gun totin' badge wearin' certifiable lawman.
Lay something like that on a cop you don't know during a traffic stop and I guarantee you'll be out of the vehicle sitting on the curb with your hands cuffed while he and about three more cops tear your car apart. ;)

[captusa]

My question is, in America at 1 PM on a Monday afternoon why on Earth is where I am going anybody's business but my own? Perhaps you had to be there, but I was really taken back that three State Troopers need to stop me, stare into my car, and ask me questions that had nothing to do with the dates on my stickers. Does no one find that as strange as I do? Maybe I've just been awake too long today.:))

You are absolutely correct.
BUT had you reasonally inquired as to why he asked you where you were going or pointed out that he had no right to ask the question you would would ave discovered you had been, speeding, driving recklessly and resisting arrest.

[mgifford]

I would hypothesize that people with those bumper stickers have a significantly higher number of tickets.

No they don't! We laugh at the donut jokes as much as you do. Like I said before, "any pullover I ever made I'd already made my mind up about a ticket before I got out of the car". If the driver became rude, then I simply did what I'd already made my mind up to do, nothing else. It's always a "where ya heading" greeting from cops, just like good morning from you".

BTW, is it worse for a cop to be in a donut shop or a drunk to have just left a bar?

[mgifford]

One time I saw a "muscle car" tearing down the road, but not in a wreckless manor. I stopped him and asked "what's your hurry". He replied " I was just blowing the gaaabage out since I worked on it".
He being from Boston, had a real accent strong from there.

I kind of liked the guy, so I told him to go, but to, from now on blow his gaaabage out in someone else's city. I always gave more warnings than tickets, but none of you could ever know that.

[ArmyMAJretired]

No they don't! We laugh at the donut jokes as much as you do. Like I said before, "any pullover I ever made I'd already made my mind up about a ticket before I got out of the car". If the driver became rude, then I simply did what I'd already made my mind up to do, nothing else. It's always a "where ya heading" greeting from cops, just like good morning from you".

BTW, is it worse for a cop to be in a donut shop or a drunk to have just left a bar?


I respect LEOs and give them the benfit of the doubt.

One time I was pulled over for rolling through a stop sign (didn't do it and won in court).

The officer asked me, "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

I said, "I have no idea".

She said, "You blew through that stop sign back there".

All I said was "I don't thinks so, or I beg to differ".

When we were in court, the officer claimed that I was "argumentative".

I beat the ticket by asking for the dash cam (there was none)

going back to the intersection and taking pictures as well as drawing a diagram.

Asking her detailed questions about the light and weather conditions which she got wrong (it was on the ticket)

Judge said they did not prove their case.

[notluzn]

Where you were going would no longer be in question.
He would probably say, "have her call me, dad." :)) :))

[captusa]

I respect LEOs and give them the benfit of the doubt.

One time I was pulled over for rolling through a stop sign (didn't do it and won in court).

The officer asked me, "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

I said, "I have no idea".

She said, "You blew through that stop sign back there".

All I said was "I don't thinks so, or I beg to differ".

When we were in court, the officer claimed that I was "argumentative".

I beat the ticket by asking for the dash cam (there was none)

going back to the intersection and taking pictures as well as drawing a diagram.

Asking her detailed questions about the light and weather conditions which she got wrong (it was on the ticket)

Judge said they did not prove their case.

I was stopped for running a stop sign.
The officer said I paused but didn't stop.
He did give me a warning but I don't know how he would explain how I could have paused without ceasing forward motion(stoppped)

[notluzn]

A Police car pulled alongside a speeding car on the motorway.

Glancing at the car he was astonished to see that the blond behind the wheel was knitting!

Realizing that she was oblivious to his flashing lights and siren, the cop rolled down his window and shouted "Pullover!".

The blonde rolled down her window and yelled back "No, it's a scarf!".

[ArmyMAJretired]

I was stopped for running a stop sign.
The officer said I paused but didn't stop.
He did give me a warning but I don't know how he would explain how I could have paused without ceasing forward motion(stoppped)

They call it a California roll.

If they don't see your car lurch to a stop and rock, then they get you!

[RKing]

he would probably say, "have her call me, dad." :)) :))
lol

[RKing]

BTW, is it worse for a cop to be in a donut shop or a drunk to have just left a bar?

Punchline?

[Samm]

I can say that most officers are not going to use the second version of that question unless they have good reason to be using it. Check points are just that check points to make sure nothing unlawful is being done. They have no reason to use that type of language at a check point, unless someone gets jumpy. I have stopped at a few check points in my area and they ask "where are you going?" "where are you comming from?" "how are you tonight?" or just simply "license and registration please" it is nothing but simple conversation to engage you and check for any suspicious activity. If you have nothing to hide you are on your way. There is nothing wrong with the question but some people think it is some sort of conspiracy, or some way to violate their rights, when it is just simply a question with no intent behind it, other then to check for suspicious behavior.

I agree, cops can ask any question they want, but unless it is pertinent to the stop the driver is under no obligation to answer it. In these times of political turmoil and Constitutional awareness, cops would do well to avoid questions like "Where are you going?" that might cause a political paranoid response. All it does is make the cops job more difficult. I suggest if they want to have a casual conversation (to glean evidence of intoxication or whatever) and make the driver at ease, the "How are you tonight?" is as good as any.

[Samm]

a police car pulled alongside a speeding car on the motorway.

Glancing at the car he was astonished to see that the blond behind the wheel was knitting!

Realizing that she was oblivious to his flashing lights and siren, the cop rolled down his window and shouted "pullover!".

The blonde rolled down her window and yelled back "no, it's a scarf!".

:)) :)) :))