What did Rush Limbaugh actually say?

[Bluesgtr44]

I'm so tired of how the MSM just won't portray things as they actually were presented and call out those who intentionally pull things out of context. MSM needs to start telling the truth, the WHOLE truth.....and nothing but the truth. No more personal interpretation. Just tell it all.....ALL...like it was told to begin with!

[Hereintheusa]

Every media outlet gives it own spin on the issues including political commentators like Rush, Sean etc.

As for taking things out of context Rush does that every day but because you agree with his politics you cannot and will not see it that way.

When it comes down to it, all we can do is gather information from a variety of sources and come to our own conclusions. Anyone who allows the "MSM" or anyone else to tell them how to think are obviously idiots.

[grapabeaux]

Every media outlet gives it own spin on the issues including political commentators like Rush, Sean etc.

As for taking things out of context Rush does that every day but because you agree with his politics you cannot and will not see it that way.

When it comes down to it, all we can do is gather information from a variety of sources and come to our own conclusions. Anyone who allows the "MSM" or anyone else to tell them how to think are obviously idiots.

This is no excuse for the MSM to distort what Limbaugh actually saie. Unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., who take the time to put in context the statements they are criticizing, the MSM has a habit of distorting the original statement, and then running with analysis of what this distorted statement means. (A reason Rush called them the "drive-by media".)

Rush has said from the start he wanted Obama to fail in implementing his socialistic policies. That people during the campaign or now refused to believe that Obama had a radical socialistic agenda doesn't change what Limbaugh said and meant.

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I'm so tired of how the MSM just won't portray things as they actually were presented and call out those who intentionally pull things out of context. MSM needs to start telling the truth, the WHOLE truth.....and nothing but the truth. No more personal interpretation. Just tell it all.....ALL...like it was told to begin with!


Gotta love the whole MSM theory.

[Hereintheusa]

This is no excuse for the MSM to distort what Limbaugh actually saie. Unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., who take the time to put in context the statements they are criticizing, the MSM has a habit of distorting the original statement, and then running with analysis of what this distorted statement means. (A reason Rush called them the "drive-by media".)

Rush has said from the start he wanted Obama to fail in implementing his socialistic policies. That people during the campaign or now refused to believe that Obama had a radical socialistic agenda doesn't change what Limbaugh said and meant.

Oh come off it, political commentators like Rush and Sean distort everything that Obama and the Democrats say. It is all part of the game that unfortunately everyone plays. Its part news and part entertainment.

[Bluesgtr44]

Every media outlet gives it own spin on the issues including political commentators like Rush, Sean etc.

As for taking things out of context Rush does that every day but because you agree with his politics you cannot and will not see it that way.

When it comes down to it, all we can do is gather information from a variety of sources and come to our own conclusions. Anyone who allows the "MSM" or anyone else to tell them how to think are obviously idiots.

I agree that both sides do this. I hold MSM more accountable because they hide behind journalist......and they are no more than a liberal Limbaugh. Rush and Sean say who they are straight up....conservatives. AP and UPI along with ABC, NBC and CBS all pretend to be informing.....they do not present the so-called news that way. I'm tired of their "half truths", which are "whole lies".

Rush and the others actually read word for word, stories that are "in the news". These are so obviously presented from a "liberal perspective" in the arrogance of their own self importance, that they feel most people see things....any other perspective be damned. This is where conservative talk radio fills the void! These folks present the perspective that is often "left out"......because of that liberal arrogance. Look, back in the 60's and 70's.....we didn't all move to the left......MSM just tried to MAKE us move to the left......with the abuse of "ists" and "ics", and other assorted tactics. Conservatives had a hard time finding a public medium to get their message out anymore. That's why talk radio is so popular....conservatives were hungry for this voice.....and it's apparently not making MSM happy nor as powerful anymore.

[Dale in GA]

I'm so tired of how the MSM just won't portray things as they actually were presented and call out those who intentionally pull things out of context. MSM needs to start telling the truth, the WHOLE truth.....and nothing but the truth. No more personal interpretation. Just tell it all.....ALL...like it was told to begin with!

Bad poll - you don't poll on facts, you poll on opinions and attitudes.

What did Limbaugh say?

I hope he fails

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

He explained himself - he hopes Obama fails because he disagrees with Obama's politics and his vision for the nation.

So both choices in the "poll" are accurate reflections of what Limbaugh said, but if anyone tells you that Limbaugh didn't say that he wants Obama to fail, but actually said something else, that person's a liar.

[Bluesgtr44]

Gotta love the whole MSM theory.

If you can ever pin them down to one! They have become so insignificant anymore......:rolleyes:

[Bluesgtr44]

Oh come off it, political commentators like Rush and Sean distort everything that Obama and the Democrats say. It is all part of the game that unfortunately everyone plays. Its part news and part entertainment.

No they don't! We know they love to play the games with the Dems and the MSM. ....and can you really blame them? I mean, if it's all a part of the game? News shouldn't be presented with an "assumed" position MSM thinks the people want to hear. They should present it from all perspectives....they clearly do not!

[ScarlettOhara]

Oh come off it, political commentators like Rush and Sean distort everything that Obama and the Democrats say. It is all part of the game that unfortunately everyone plays. Its part news and part entertainment.
Actually Rush and Sean warn us of the intents of the Dems and once in a while, one of the Dems will actually confirm that those guys are the ones telling the truth.
Dem Rep: Obama Goal to Destroy Health Care System
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rveFv6A-xpU

and

Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

[Bluesgtr44]

Bad poll - you don't poll on facts, you poll on opinions and attitudes.

What did Limbaugh say?



http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

He explained himself - he hopes Obama fails because he disagrees with Obama's politics and his vision for the nation.

So both choices in the "poll" are accurate reflections of what Limbaugh said, but if anyone tells you that Limbaugh didn't say that he wants Obama to fail, but actually said something else, that person's a liar.

What was his intent, Dale. You know what my meaning here is and you just don't like it! His intent was that he wanted socialist policies to fail....he even said that if Obama were to start using capitalist strategies and stick within the original intent of the constitution, he would be behind him all the way! But, he stated that he knew this was never going to be Obama's approach.

So......intention and interpretation......we know what was said....sometimes it's not what we want to hear.....so we do this crap to it!

[grapabeaux]

Oh come off it, political commentators like Rush and Sean distort everything that Obama and the Democrats say. It is all part of the game that unfortunately everyone plays. Its part news and part entertainment.

No sir, they do not. Limbaugh and Hannity have their analysis of what the left means when they say something, but they never distort what they actually say. This is inherent in political analysis shows.

The primary complaint against the MSM isn't that they do analysis when on their analysis shows. It's when they slant the facts when they are supposed to be delivering the news. They went to journalism school to learn how to present the news objectively, giving both sides of a story. This is what their audience is expecting of them, and they violate that trust by mangling what a conservative said or did.

Portraying the news as something different from the facts is very different than merely offering an opinion on what the news means.

[Bluesgtr44]

No sir, they do not. Limbaugh and Hannity have their analysis of what the left means when they say something, but they never distort what they actually say. This is inherent in political analysis shows.

The primary complaint against the MSM isn't that they do analysis when on their analysis shows. It's when they slant the facts when they are supposed to be delivering the news. They went to journalism school to learn how to present the news objectively, giving both sides of a story. This is what their audience is expecting of them, and they violate that trust by mangling what a conservative said or did.

Portraying the news as something different from the facts is very different than merely offering an opinion on what the news means.

If they did distort like he was insinuating, they would have already been lambasted by the same MSM that cannot stand them! There is no way the MSM would pass up an opportunity to show them as being fake, fraud and outright liars.......thus, they are NOT lying......they just present a differing perspective from the one MSM seems to want to drive people towards....yes, they are the ones who misrepresent the people.....not Rush and Sean.....MSM does this!

[grapabeaux]

Bad poll - you don't poll on facts, you poll on opinions and attitudes.

The poll was on what people believed were the facts, to see if they got it right.

What did Limbaugh say?

He said this:

He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

He explained himself - he hopes Obama fails because he disagrees with Obama's politics and his vision for the nation.

He said he hoped Obama fails because of his policies. If this were president John Edwards, Limbaugh would have said the same thing.

So both choices in the "poll" are accurate reflections of what Limbaugh said, but if anyone tells you that Limbaugh didn't say that he wants Obama to fail, but actually said something else, that person's a liar.

The media took to the quote to mean that Limbaugh hoped Obama failed because it was Obama, with whom many of them are so emotionally invested in him succeeding (at whatever he does) that they're willing to overlook the implications of his policies. This is why the poll answers mean different things.

[CJHoward]

This is no excuse for the MSM to distort what Limbaugh actually saie. Unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., who take the time to put in context the statements they are criticizing, the MSM has a habit of distorting the original statement, and then running with analysis of what this distorted statement means. (A reason Rush called them the "drive-by media".)

Rush has said from the start he wanted Obama to fail in implementing his socialistic policies. That people during the campaign or now refused to believe that Obama had a radical socialistic agenda doesn't change what Limbaugh said and meant.

First of all, we need to understand that Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity aren't news reporters. They aren't journalists.. they are entertainers & commentators. They are paid to express their views, to disseminate their opinions. So they can say what they want to say and if anyone mistakes that for news, then it's their own fault.

If Catie Curich says anything other than fact, then she is doing the general public a disservice.

Secondly, Limbaugh said he wants Obama to fail, the same way the left said they want Bush to fail...... in Iraq. But what Limbaugh & Hannity did with that, is no different than what the MSM media is doing with Limbaugh's quip.

It should be acceptable for Limbaugh & Hannity... they need to man up and stop playing Bill Clinton word games......

It shouldn't be acceptable from journalist.. Whoopie is entitled to share her opinion on the view....... that's why they pay her. It's no big deal. But Dan Rather shouldn't.

[Bluesgtr44]

The poll was on what people believed were the facts, to see if they got it right.



He said this:

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http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html



He said he hoped Obama fails because of his policies. If this were president John Edwards, Limbaugh would have said the same thing.



The media took to the quote to mean that Limbaugh hoped Obama failed because it was Obama, with whom many of them are so emotionally invested in him succeeding (at whatever he does) that they're willing to overlook the implications of his policies. This is why the poll answers mean different things.

I have no doubt that 90% of the people reading this understands exactly what the point is.....some just don't like the meaning! If the message is strong and can't be disputed on it's own merit......tear down the messenger!

[CJHoward]

What was his intent, Dale. You know what my meaning here is and you just don't like it! His intent was that he wanted socialist policies to fail....
So......intention and interpretation......we know what was said....sometimes it's not what we want to hear.....so we do this crap to it!

And the left were saying that wanted American Imperialism to fail.... not that they didn't support our troops.

[margaretms]

No sir, they do not. Limbaugh and Hannity have their analysis of what the left means when they say something, but they never distort what they actually say. This is inherent in political analysis shows.


This is no excuse for the MSM to distort what Limbaugh actually saie. Unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., who take the time to put in context the statements they are criticizing, the MSM has a habit of distorting the original statement, and then running with analysis of what this distorted statement means. (A reason Rush called them the "drive-by media".)

That's not true. Such hosts do fail to provide "context" the "statements they are criticizing" at times when it serves their narrower purposes. Here's a (relatively mild) example:

Last July, Hannity was talking to Mitt Romney on "Hannity and Colmes"; he ran the following isolated clip of a speech from Bill Clinton:


Fox News Network
July 8, 2008 Tuesday
SHOW: FOX HANNITY & COLMES 9:00 PM EST
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL CLINTON, FMR. PRESIDENT: Every living soul on the planet has some often highly justified anger. If you know anybody who's ever a POW for any length of time, you will see that you go along for months or maybe even years, and then something will happen, and it will trigger all those bad dreams. And they'll come back and may not last 30 seconds. It's not like all that stuff just went away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: That was former president Bill Clinton, obviously, taking a shot at Senator McCain. We continue now with former presidential candidate, former governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney. Now there's been a series of attacks on Senator McCain 's military record. Tom Harkin has one and more recently Wesley Clark, that attack by Bill Clinton. I think it's pretty outrageous.
What do you think of those remarks, in particular, considering Senator McCain. Senator McCain served five and a half years as a prisoner of war and was beat regularly?

If Hannity wanted to provide "context," he would have noted that Clinton was responding, in this clip, to a question about Nelson Mandela; Hannity might have at least included the last part of Clinton's answer, in which he said:


That's the thing that makes his life so monumental. It's not like all that stuff just went away, but he [Mandela] disciplined himself and his [Mandela's] mind and his heart and his spirit to always work to constantly overcome it every day.

Even if you think Clinton was taking a shot at McCain (who isn't mentioned, but I can concede it might be debatable), if Hannity actually wanted to provide context, he would have at least noted that Clinton was talking, specifically, about Nelson Mandela, not explicitly stumping about the mental states of GOP presidential candidates. That seems "out of context" to me--an almost textbook example of how do it. And it's not an isolated event.

[Bluesgtr44]

And the left were saying that wanted American Imperialism to fail.... not that they didn't support our troops.

Imperialism? What American imperialism? See, they just made that up.....presented an assumption that some....some.....agree with! But, they present it like it was accepted fact by the masses.....this is dishonest.

[Bluesgtr44]

That's not true. Such hosts do fail to provide "context" the "statements they are criticizing" at times when it serves their narrower purposes. Here's a (relatively mild) example:

Last July, Hannity was talking to Mitt Romney on "Hannity and Colmes"; he ran the following isolated clip of a speech from Bill Clinton:



If Hannity wanted to provide "context," he would have noted that Clinton was responding, in this clip, to a question about Nelson Mandela; Hannity might have at least included the last part of Clinton's answer, in which he said:



Even if you think Clinton was taking a shot at McCain (who isn't mentioned, but I can concede it might be debatable), if Hannity actually wanted to provide context, he would have at least noted that Clinton was talking, specifically, about Nelson Mandela, not explicitly stumping about the mental states of GOP presidential candidates. That seems "out of context" to me--an almost textbook example of how do it. And it's not an isolated event.

I couldn't agree more! They both do it and with malice sometimes. I can't hold any faith in what I read or hear anymore and I'm starting to question that which I can even see with my own eyes......especially if it's a recording these days. If we can't get the debate because the two sides just won't sit together long enough to get to any real "meat and potatoes" on the issues....how much longer can we sustain this?

[Bluesgtr44]

Rush said some pretty ugly stuff about Jerry Garcia being a drug addict and dismissed all the beautiful music Garcia made. If he had just been another Repub with bad taste in music that would be OK, but Rush was higher than a helium balloon when throwing stoner stones at others

.....and that's when he started endorsing drug use, right? That's the big difference.....a hypocrite won't admit it's wrong for them.....it's just wrong for the other guys. Rush never once endorsed drug use for himself....he did wrong and he admitted it.

[Penny in WV]

Every media outlet gives it own spin on the issues including political commentators like Rush, Sean etc.

As for taking things out of context Rush does that every day but because you agree with his politics you cannot and will not see it that way.

When it comes down to it, all we can do is gather information from a variety of sources and come to our own conclusions. Anyone who allows the "MSM" or anyone else to tell them how to think are obviously idiots.

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You do not have to draw any conclusions to what it was Rush said. They flat out lied with their reporting on the subject. His politics have nothing to do with reporting the truth and reporting lies.

You would be surprised on how many people rely on the news. Many are busy and flick on the tube to find out what's going on. If MSM (CNN or NBC) is the only channel you watch, you believe what they are reporting, I mean, why would they lie?

[PSBandit]

The leftist press have been covering for Obama the Marxist for over 2 years now, they will not change.

Hes their Messiah, their creation... their downfall.

Look at the leftist press they are dieing in the ratings and bottom line. Right leaning press are all top ratings and some are even profitible. :cool:

[Bluesgtr44]

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You do not have to draw any conclusions to what it was Rush said. They flat out lied with their reporting on the subject. His politics have nothing to do with reporting the truth and reporting lies.

You would be surprised on how many people rely on the news. Many are busy and flick on the tube to find out what's going on. If MSM (CNN or NBC) is the only channel you watch, you believe what they are reporting, I mean, why would they lie?

That is the crux to me also. They all know what he said and the context of which he said it. They report that "he wants Obama to fail"....now, what makes this a lie is that if.....if.....Obama were to change philosophies and ditch this socialistic approach, Rush would support him, as he has stated. So, this is NOT about Obama.....it's about his policies of socialism.....and they KNEW that.

This is a no-brainer of total misrepresentation of the truth. And a classic example of taking things out of context.