What type of scum would do this to a family who lost a child

[Remus Lupin]

Nikki Catsouras was at all accounts, your average teenager who just turned 18 years old. She was a senior in high school excited about attending college.
Sadly her life would come to a tragic end.
In 2006, Nikki after getting into a fight with her father over "teenage stuff", got in her fathers porsche which was $150,000 and took off.
The parents called the police looking for her. While the police looked for her, Nikki was driving on a highway with speeds of over 100MPH.
She suddenly hit a Honda from behind and slammed head on a toll booth killing and nearly decapitating her.
The officers at the accident scene took pictures of the accident including Nikki's nearly headless body.
The two officers who took the pictures would leak the pictures onto the internet. Since then, Nikki's family including her two parents and three younger siblings have went through such hell.
The photos of Nikki's lifeless body can easily be found on the internet.
One set up a fake Myspace page with the photos on the profile with captions "What a waste of a good porchie","Look mom, no head","What a stupid bitch",elc added below the pictures.
One coward even mailed the pictures to Nikki's family with the words "Hey mom and dad, I'm alive".
The family has been so tormented, they banned their over three kids from using the internet and has since homeschooled them.
The officers who leaks the photos were suspended, one of them eventually resign for unrelated reasons.
The family has fought hard to get websites to remove the pictures but to no avail. They were sucessful in getting the pictures removed from sites such as Myspace and Youtube, but sadly there is no law
against websites posting crime scene photos for everyone to see.
The family recently filed a lawsuit against the California Highway Patrol. The judge dismissed it saying the two police officers broke no laws.
The photos can easily be found online but I don't recommand seeking them.
For websites to put those pictures on their site, is just cowardice. This also serves as a example that in the online world anything goes.Sadly, they cannot be forced to remove them because again, there is no laws against those pictures.
I'm kinda mixed on having laws banning crime scene photos posted online.
Something needs to be done so another family does not go through the same thing. This kind of thing should never of happened.
Kenneth

[ISYairio]

Some sick ****** right there.

The family...

WOW

[Remus Lupin]

I have to confess I did saw the pictures on a website. It was sickening.
Having those pictures floating all over the net is dispicable.

[FidelisAdMortem]

She was an addict who was high on drugs when she crashed that car.

Know the facts.

[gdoane]

Here's my take:

Learn from tragedy.

Driving angry is just as dangerous as driving drunk or driving sleep impaired.

Shortly before my divorce, I got into a fight with my soon-to-be ex-wife and I ran my Suzuki bike to peg the speedometer at 120 MPH. I was seriously ****ed off and I shouldn't have been on the road. I didn't care, I just wanted to run. Fast. Far. Furious.

Two things woke me up. One was the hump in the road at Tatum and Shea roads (I wasn't on a freeway, I was on Shea Boulevard) which got the bike airborne for probably 800 feet and the cop who chased me and showed me his radar gun flashing 130 MPH when he clocked me.

It took five miles for the poor cop to catch me running Code 3 hot pursuit at the Pima Road stop light. I didn't even know I was being pursued, but when I saw the flashers three minutes later I pulled over and did the "Is There a Problem Officer?" routine.

That was a life-changing moment for me. It didn't matter how ****ed off I was, or what my ex-wife had said to me, or even what I felt like doing (which was basically hit the gas and run like a bat out of hell).

I saw the bigger picture.

I got a ticket for 54 MPH in a 45 MPH zone. The cop cut me a big break. Over 10 MPH above the limit adds points to the license. I was pushing triple the posted speed.

What got me was how fast my attitude changed. One minute I was willing to drive that little Suzuki superbike to the point of blowing the motor and the next minute I realize my crime of passion was a load of crap that I've got no real excuse for.

I hope nobody here understands how painful a divorce is, because it's a fate I wouldn't wish on anyone. It's an emotional rollercoaster ride into the depths of Hell itself.

When emotions override the brain, people will do stupid things.

Been there. Done that.

I don't fault the "Porsche Girl" for being human. She drove angry. I've done the same thing and I lived to regret it. She didn't.

[FidelisAdMortem]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Wow, Gene.

What a heartfelt and insightful post.

Thanks for sharing... honest

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.

Is this supposed to excuse torturing the family with photos of their mangled child?

[FidelisAdMortem]

Is this supposed to excuse torturing the family with photos of their mangled child?

You may like to respond to things no matter the validity of the factual content, I do not.

The parents failed their child. She was your typical rich spoiled girl who did drugs with daddys money.

[BillyBobUSA]

While the police leaking the photos as a sort of warning to the public might alleviate some of the sting, I really think this is low class bevior in this case.

I think the real issue here is the way so many have taken the opportunity to add to the families greif.

Whats up with that?

What possible gain does some third party have, who does not know the family personally, for tormenting that family?

Its just stupidly sadistic and evil.

Welcome to post-Christian America.

[gdoane]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.

My point remains anyway. LEARN FROM TRAGEDY.

This was a very expensive lesson. It'd be a shame to blow a half-million bucks and not learn anything from the mistake.

One of my personal philosophies is that it's okay to make mistakes, but it's not okay to repeat them.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

You may like to respond to things no matter the validity of the factual content, I do not.

The parents failed their child. She was your typical rich spoiled girl who did drugs with daddys money.

So again I ask, is this supposed to excuse torturing the family with photos of their mangled child?

[FidelisAdMortem]

I disagree with you Gene.

If we consider this a lesson learned type of situation we then encourage putting people at risk to such behavior, which her behavior, her driving, her drug using put others on the road in her path of destruction and death.

I cant encourage such a life lesson.

[FidelisAdMortem]

So again I ask, is this supposed to excuse torturing the family with photos of their mangled child?

Outrage after the fact is quite convenient.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Outrage after the fact is quite convenient.

Do you simply not have an answer?

Yes or no is all that is needed.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Do you simply not have an answer?

Yes or no is all that is needed.

Toughluck on the parents, they were neglectful in life to their child, and now shes dead. Theres no excuse for the emails, for I dont believe an excuse is warranted.

[gdoane]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.

She was enraged. We agree on that.

And she shouldn't have been behind the wheel. We agree on that too.

I'm actually having trouble with seeing disagreement in your post.

The only thing I can rightly disagree with is that she's the only victim.

I'm at the age now that I'm starting to learn that dying is a lot of hard work. You can't really be born legally without a certificate, and you can't die legally unless that's certified too.

No man is an island. Every ripple you make in your life goes far beyond your own little pond.

[FidelisAdMortem]

And lucky for everyone, she did not take anyone elses life with hers, causing "ripples" all over the place.

[gdoane]

I disagree with you Gene.

That's fine, disagreement is the fabric of constructive dialog.

If we consider this a lesson learned type of situation we then encourage putting people at risk to such behavior, which her behavior, her driving, her drug using put others on the road in her path of destruction and death.

I cant encourage such a life lesson.

Bad examples are useful warnings.

Vlad the Impaler (Dracula) was reputed to have skulls on pikes leading to his castle. This would be a pretty good case of bad examples being useful warnings.

Please be clear, I am not excusing her behavior nor am I about to nominate her parents for Mother or Father of the Year.

She's dead. She's pretty much beyond learning, but we aren't.

The only people left alive to learn from her mistakes are us.

It's a pretty expensive lesson. It may be worth the learning.

[gdoane]

And lucky for everyone, she did not take anyone elses life with hers, causing "ripples" all over the place.

It still causes "ripples".

My best friend committed suicide, .44 Magnum in the mouth, painted a room in his house with his brains and blood.

He had everything all set, cremation, burial, all of that but what he didn't factor in was the cost to others.

The house and assets went to probate, which means the government decides what it wants to take and the simple answer to that is everything.

If you don't have a will or a trust, then the government is your heir.

[LoneStarHero]

You may like to respond to things no matter the validity of the factual content, I do not.

The parents failed their child. She was your typical rich spoiled girl who did drugs with daddys money.

Sounds about right to me.

By the way, that accident scene had some mad gibs!

[Remus Lupin]

You may like to respond to things no matter the validity of the factual content, I do not.

The parents failed their child. She was your typical rich spoiled girl who did drugs with daddys money.

So what?
Does that excuse the fact the family and friends of that poor teen are living though hell with those photos of her decapitaded body all over the net?
How would you feel if the same thing the family is experienced happened to you knowing your childs corpse in a car wreck is all over the net like that.

[Remus Lupin]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.

According to what I read, the teenager got into a big fight with her father before she took off.
Unless I'm mistaken.

[Remus Lupin]

Toughluck on the parents, they were neglectful in life to their child, and now shes dead. Theres no excuse for the emails, for I dont believe an excuse is warranted.

What you wrote was dispicable, sir.
So the kid was heavy into cocaine. That is not always the parents fault?
I know some who came from good families only to die from drug abuse.
To blame parents for kids making mistakes in life isn't very wise.
I made mistakes when I was a teen. I didn't nor do I ever blame my parents for my choices in life.

[FidelisAdMortem]

So what?
Does that excuse the fact the family and friends of that poor teen are living though hell with those photos of her decapitaded body all over the net?
How would you feel if the same thing the family is experienced happened to you knowing your childs corpse in a car wreck is all over the net like that.

I would feel just fine.

[FidelisAdMortem]

What you wrote was dispicable, sir.
So the kid was heavy into cocaine. That is not always the parents fault?
I know some who came from good families only to die from drug abuse.
To blame parents for kids making mistakes in life isn't very wise.
I made mistakes when I was a teen. I didn't nor do I ever blame my parents for my choices in life.

Children are a reflection of their parents or lack of.

A child may go off on a course that the parent does not approve of.

How the parent/parents react to that child doing so speaks wonders of the parent/parents.

Obviously her **** habit and love for exotic cars was quite alright with her parents.

Another rich spoiled brat who bit off more than she could chew.

[LoneStarHero]

What you wrote was dispicable, sir.
So the kid was heavy into cocaine. That is not always the parents fault?
I know some who came from good families only to die from drug abuse.
To blame parents for kids making mistakes in life isn't very wise.
I made mistakes when I was a teen. I didn't nor do I ever blame my parents for my choices in life.

My opinion of you changed drastically toward very favorable after you shared bits of your life story and parental situation.

I think you have a case for blaming them too.

[JStasc08]

Children are a reflection of their parents or lack of.

A child may go off on a course that the parent does not approve of.

How the parent/parents react to that child doing so speaks wonders of the parent/parents.

Obviously her **** habit and love for exotic cars was quite alright with her parents.

Another rich spoiled brat who bit off more than she could chew.

They called the police when she stole the car. If she had been through rehab for her drug problem, I doubt she paid for it herself. What about that gives you the idea that they were accepting of this behavior? The parents did everything they could, short of locking her in a windowless room.

[FidelisAdMortem]

How do you know they did everything they could?

[Broseph]

It's the daily dose of police apologists on Hannity.

No matter what they do, no matter how they do it and no matter the intent, you can bet that the fuzz will have their share of citizens backing them up to excuse their behavior and blow it off as either:

1) doing their job
2) an isolated incident
or
3) something that will be 'looked into' by internal affairs

[JStasc08]

How do you know they did everything they could?

I guess I know just as well as you know they were bad parents.

[FidelisAdMortem]

So how much is that?

[TCUFan]

Is this supposed to excuse torturing the family with photos of their mangled child?

Not really. But, where were the parents, anyway?

Who lets a stoned teenager take off in their $150K car? You physically restrain the kid or call the cops and let them do it.

TCUFan

[Hadassah]

Not really. But, where were the parents, anyway?

Who lets a stoned teenager take off in their $150K car? You physically restrain the kid or call the cops and let them do it.

TCUFan

Who "lets" a teenager? Chances are, she was out the door and in the car before her parents realized it.



Mom and dad may have been great parents or they may have been lousy parents. No one here knows for sure. To sit in judgment when we don't know the facts is ridiculous.



What we do know is that some ****heads are posting this stuff on the internet (and not all of the pics are to serve as warnings) and sending pictures to her parents and that is reprehensible!

[curtis123]

Nikki Catsouras was at all accounts, your average teenager who just turned 18 years old. She was a senior in high school excited about attending college.
Sadly her life would come to a tragic end.
In 2006, Nikki after getting into a fight with her father over "teenage stuff", got in her fathers porsche which was $150,000 and took off.
The parents called the police looking for her. While the police looked for her, Nikki was driving on a highway with speeds of over 100MPH.
She suddenly hit a Honda from behind and slammed head on a toll booth killing and nearly decapitating her.
The officers at the accident scene took pictures of the accident including Nikki's nearly headless body.
The two officers who took the pictures would leak the pictures onto the internet. Since then, Nikki's family including her two parents and three younger siblings have went through such hell.
The photos of Nikki's lifeless body can easily be found on the internet.
One set up a fake Myspace page with the photos on the profile with captions "What a waste of a good porchie","Look mom, no head","What a stupid bitch",elc added below the pictures.
One coward even mailed the pictures to Nikki's family with the words "Hey mom and dad, I'm alive".
The family has been so tormented, they banned their over three kids from using the internet and has since homeschooled them.
The officers who leaks the photos were suspended, one of them eventually resign for unrelated reasons.
The family has fought hard to get websites to remove the pictures but to no avail. They were sucessful in getting the pictures removed from sites such as Myspace and Youtube, but sadly there is no law
against websites posting crime scene photos for everyone to see.
The family recently filed a lawsuit against the California Highway Patrol. The judge dismissed it saying the two police officers broke no laws.
The photos can easily be found online but I don't recommand seeking them.
For websites to put those pictures on their site, is just cowardice. This also serves as a example that in the online world anything goes.Sadly, they cannot be forced to remove them because again, there is no laws against those pictures.
I'm kinda mixed on having laws banning crime scene photos posted online.
Something needs to be done so another family does not go through the same thing. This kind of thing should never of happened.
Kenneth
One of the downfalls of the internet age is that some, under the cloak of anonymity, can be as sophmoric, stupid, rude and hurtful as they want to be, without having to witness the consequences face to face. It's about as cowardly as it gets, if you ask me.

[Remus Lupin]

One of the downfalls of the internet age is that some, under the cloak of anonymity, can be as sophmoric, stupid, rude and hurtful as they want to be, without having to witness the consequences face to face. It's about as cowardly as it gets, if you ask me.

Exactly!

[Remus Lupin]

How do you know they did everything they could?

Fid,

No matter how good parents can be, kids are still going to do stupid stuff.
I have done dumb stuff when I was a kid. Should I blame my parents for my mistakes?

[JenyEliza]

She was an addict who was high on drugs when she crashed that car.

Know the facts.

So? This makes what these crooked cops did right?

********.

You think what they did was OK? Figures you'd be here defending their absolutely disgusting behavior.

Those pigs should NEVER work in law enforcement. Further, they should be charged with TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE (which is what those pictures are--the kid took the parents car without permission, a crime, nevermind the drugs you claim she was using, which is DUI, also a crime) and these pigs should be prosecuted.

A little jail time ought to straighten their butts out.

[JenyEliza]

Who "lets" a teenager? Chances are, she was out the door and in the car before her parents realized it.



Mom and dad may have been great parents or they may have been lousy parents. No one here knows for sure. To sit in judgment when we don't know the facts is ridiculous.



What we do know is that some ****heads are posting this stuff on the internet (and not all of the pics are to serve as warnings) and sending pictures to her parents and that is reprehensible!

Good post.

[JenyEliza]

It's the daily dose of police apologists on Hannity.

No matter what they do, no matter how they do it and no matter the intent, you can bet that the fuzz will have their share of citizens backing them up to excuse their behavior and blow it off as either:

1) doing their job
2) an isolated incident
or
3) something that will be 'looked into' by internal affairs

Agreed. FAM is one of the leaders of the apologists, and certainly *not* an unbiased poster, as he himself claims to be a police officer.

I don't trust most cops. I used to trust police implicitly when I was younger, but as I approach my late 40's, I have seen enough misbehavior on the part of police officers that I just can't find that kind of innocent trust any more.

I have never done time or commited any crimes, other than minor traffic violations. Yet, I have a very strong strong distrust of police. I suspect this is due to the fact I have lived in Atlanta 40 years and seen this place turn into a cesspool full of crooked cops.

Maybe there *are* good cops out there and we are just not exposed to them here in Atlanta? That doesn't seem to be the case, now that stories like this one are so easily accesible on the web.

I hope these cops are somehow convicted of *something*. What they've done to this family is NOT RIGHT.

NOT RIGHT AT ALL. EVER. EVER.

[Remus Lupin]

So? This makes what these crooked cops did right?

********.

You think what they did was OK? Figures you'd be here defending their absolutely disgusting behavior.

Those pigs should NEVER work in law enforcement. Further, they should be charged with TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE (which is what those pictures are--the kid took the parents car without permission, a crime, nevermind the drugs you claim she was using, which is DUI, also a crime) and these pigs should be prosecuted.

A little jail time ought to straighten their butts out.

As much as I would like to agree with you, the two cops broke NO laws. They violated policy which they were both punished for it. You can't just lock someone up just for being a classless dumbass.

[Remus Lupin]

Agreed. FAM is one of the leaders of the apologists, and certainly *not* an unbiased poster, as he himself claims to be a police officer.

I don't trust most cops. I used to trust police implicitly when I was younger, but as I approach my late 40's, I have seen enough misbehavior on the part of police officers that I just can't find that kind of innocent trust any more.

I have never done time or commited any crimes, other than minor traffic violations. Yet, I have a very strong strong distrust of police. I suspect this is due to the fact I have lived in Atlanta 40 years and seen this place turn into a cesspool full of crooked cops.

Maybe there *are* good cops out there and we are just not exposed to them here in Atlanta? That doesn't seem to be the case, now that stories like this one are so easily accesible on the web.

I hope these cops are somehow convicted of *something*. What they've done to this family is NOT RIGHT.

NOT RIGHT AT ALL. EVER. EVER.

Jeny, as much as I repect your viewpoint, I cannot respect what you just posted.
Most policemen are hard-working people doing their jobs.
I have just as much respect for them as I do our men and women in the armed forces.
They are the ones who give up thier lives to keep you and your family safe from criminals. Their families have to suffer the fact that the next time he/she goes to work on the beat, he/she may never come home again.
For you to pretty much spit in their faces just because "you just distrust them" even though most will not hesitate to die to protect and serve is pretty low.

[ChaosControl]

Absolutely disgusting and inhumane behavior, may all those who tortured the family enjoy an excessive dose of misery in their poor excuse for a life.

[Remus Lupin]

Yes FAM is a police officer and a damn good one I'm sure.
While I totally disagree with his viewpoint here, I respect him for getting up and putting his life on the line so we can walk the streets without being killed.
For you to use FAM's career as a police officer to slam him is pretty classless IMO.

[JStasc08]

So how much is that?

I know bad parents don't shell out their hard-earned money to put their kids through rehab.

[FidelisAdMortem]

The individual who posted the photos and got the ball rolling was an employee of the police department, a dispatcher, it was not a police officer.

[CID_0687]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.
And your point?

Regardless of whether this girl was high or not that's no excuse for what the family has been put through due to the worthless pieces of human debris that are working in that police department. I'm not saying everyone there are worthless, but those responsible for putting this family through this damn sure are.

Like Remus and others have said, when I was a teenager I was rebellious, I did things my parents didn't agree with. Hell, when I was 18 my dad told me I had 20 minutes to pack a bag and get out of his house or he was calling the police. None of your business what I did, but it was criminal. I had damn good parents, my dad was a cop, my mom still is an elementary principal, they did everything they could to raise me right, my brother and sister turned out alright, but I was a **** up...It wasn't my parents fault, sure when I was a teenager I blamed everything on them, but when I became a man I realized that my failures were no one's fault but my own.

Without knowing this family personally you cannot say that they were bad parents because their kid was on drugs.

:rolleyes:

[Gabby]

She was driving on drugs not angry that is the spin of the OP.

Check other sources on this incident.

She has a history of in/out of drug rehabs and her parents have about given up on her.

She was enraged at the fact her parents put their foot down to her drug habit and left while intoxicated and sped so fast, endangering every motorist out there on the road that day.

Lucky for the general public she was the only one who fell victim to her careless driving.

These facts do not change the other fact... that some scum bags are posting the photos on the internet and harassing the family with them.

That is wrong and inexcusble.

[Gabby]

Not really. But, where were the parents, anyway?

Who lets a stoned teenager take off in their $150K car? You physically restrain the kid or call the cops and let them do it.

TCUFan

If a parent physically restrains their teen, the parent can be charged with abusing the child, assult and flase imprisonment. It does not matter that the kid is high, drunk or whatever.

We had to deal with that when we tried it. The police and child protective services told us that we could not restrain a teen. That all we could do was to call the police and let the police handle the situation.

It can take the police a long time to show up. A kid who is this out of control will be long gone before the police get around to showing up. By then the kid has grabbed some keys, is out the door and might have already killed themself or someone else.