AP Translated: DemocRATS Shameless Opportunists Regarding Homosexual Marriage

[tha malcontent™]

Dems: Opportunity as gay marriage acceptance grows

AP translated by ap: DemocRATS Shameless Opportunists Regarding Homosexual Marriage

By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) — Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base.

(ap) - It's like this AP, the guy that you campaigned and Voted for last fall, the Messiah... The One... Barry Hussein Obama-Rodham-Sotero, does NOT Support Homosexual Marriage, and neither does his Vice President... It's true. If only THAT were the headline... But then again, what benefit would that have for the AP's Deviants? And furthermore, the AP's headline is dishonest in was that irritate me, and I will explain why as we continue. Just KNOW this... Americans are not more accepting of Homosexual Marriage, the Liberal Courts are at the guidance of TRIPE like this from the AP and the New York Times. - tha malcontent)

In recent weeks, Vermont and Iowa have legalized same-sex marriage, while New York, Maine and New Hampshire have taken steps in that direction. Polls show younger Americans are far are more tolerant on the issue than are older generations. For now at least, the public is much more focused on the troubled economy and two wars than on social issues.

(You don't support sexual deviants redefining marriage outside of what is a reflection of what Creates our species naturally?... Then the AP says you are intolerant. The sad thing is, there are a lot of people who don't want to be called intolerant, no matter how dishonest the accusation is against them, as is the case in this situation. - tha malcontent)

In addition, over the past decade, public acceptance of gay marriage has changed dramatically.

(Cheerlead for an agenda much, AP?... Do you think that maybe you and the Deviants in Hollywood have affected public opinion at all? But what does that matter, it's whatever the Liberals in the Courts dictate, isn't it. - tha malcontent)

A Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that a majority of people questioned, by a 55-38 percent margin, oppose gay marriage. But it also found that people, by a 57-38 percent margin, support civil unions that would provide marriage-like rights for same-sex couples, indicating a shift toward more acceptance.

(I'd LOVE to see the poll questions on this one... A thought... How many people do you believe supported Slavery back in 1800? Did that justify Slavery? - tha malcontent)

With congressional elections next year, Republicans, Democrats and nonpartisan analysts say the changes benefit Democrats, whose bedrock liberals favor gay unions, and disadvantage Republicans, whose conservative base insists that marriage be solely between a man and a woman.

(I'd LOVE to see the names of these Republicans... And regardless, a deterioration of society benefiting DemocRATS isn't exactly something they should be happy about. - tha malcontent)

"This is not a sea change. This is a tide that is slowly rising in favor of gay marriage," creating a favorable political situation for Democrats and ever-more difficulty for Republicans, said David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University in California.

(The more I hear the AP regurgitate this, the more I question if they really believe it themselves, or are they trying to convince themselves of it with repetition?... - tha malcontent)

Democrats have a broader base filled with more accepting younger voters, as well as flexibility on the issue. Hard-core liberals support gay marriage, while others, including President Barack Obama, take a more moderate position of civil unions and defer to states on gay marriage.

(Not supporting Homosexual Marriage is now "Moderate" because it's the Messiah's position?... Here little lap dog, come here AP... Good boy... Sit. - tha malcontent)

Conversely, the GOP base is older, smaller and more conservative. Republicans have no place to shift on the issue but to the left, because the party has been identified largely with its rock-solid opposition to gay marriage and civil unions. Also, the GOP has no titular head setting the tone on this or other issues.

(So if the REPUBLICans don't embrace and validate sexual deviancy, they are done?... This is an AP "News" story, is it not? - tha malcontent)

In recent months, proponents have used state legislatures and court challenges to legalize gay marriage, mindful that the majority of the public still isn't supportive and successful ballot measures would be less likely.

(So the REPUBLICans ARE on the majority side of this Issue?... So much so that the Liberals have to molest society with the Courts and the Legislatures because they KNOW that the American People do NOT support Homosexual Marriage?... You can't have it both ways, AP! - tha malcontent)

Because of high court rulings, gay marriage now is legal in Iowa, Massachusetts and Connecticut. A Vermont law allowing gay marriage will take effect in September. New Hampshire and New Jersey, where same-sex couples can enter into civil unions, are considering gay marriage legislation. So are Maine and New York.

(And this is EXACTLY why Jefferson called the Judiciary the "Despotic Branch" and the "Great Object of his Fear". - tha malcontent)

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[tha malcontent™]

Political insiders no doubt will pay close attention to developments in Iowa and New Hampshire, early presidential voting states, to see how the issue plays out in the run-up to the 2012 presidential election.

(Why do Liberals hate Voters? - tha malcontent)

Despite the changes, gay-marriage opponents are buoyed by a voter initiative in California that blocked the state from allowing gay marriage, and by the 29 states where voters have approved state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

(We just won't do as we are told, will we, AP?... But that's not gonna stop you, your Messiah or his Party, is it? - tha malcontent)

For years, the GOP and its conservative base has used its opposition to gay marriage to drive Republican turnout in elections and marginalize party moderates. Measures defining marriage between a man and a woman that were on ballots in a slew of states in 2004 were widely credited with boosting the number of conservative voters, giving Republican George W. Bush an edge over Democrat John Kerry.

(Is this an Opinion piece?... Is it the AP's job to make such assertions? If they were to say that Barry played on the fears of Americans during a Recession last fall with his "Great Depression" talk, and that he used it to get Votes, then I guess I could say there were just observing some analysis on an even handed basis, but they would no more ink that than they would Vote for a REPUBLICan. - tha malcontent)

But there's been conflicting evidence since then over just how much that contributed to Bush's victory.

(I'd say... I thought the AP and their Party's line in 2004 was that (43) scared Voters with Terrorism to get reelected?... I guess it was Homosexual Marriage that got us a Votin'! - tha malcontent)

What's certain is that opposition to gay marriage for decades has been a potent tool for the GOP in rallying social conservatives. They are critical to the party's grass-roots organizing and small-dollar fundraising.

(That's "certain"?... What the ****, AP? You have an Obligation, not just to the 1st Amendment, but to the Public, and to your own claims of Objectivity, to NOT do what you are doing right now. - tha malcontent)

But as more states accept gay and lesbian unions, there is a debate inside the party over how it should position itself on the issue. The dispute is just one part of a broader struggle within the out-of-power GOP over its identity and whether it should focus on rallying conservatives or attracting supporters from across the political spectrum.

(But "more states" are NOT accepting Homosexual Marriage. Every single time it's given to "the People", they Vote AGAINST it. More Liberal Courts are FORCING this Deviancy, it is NOT being "accepted"... Stop Lying, AP. - tha malcontent)

Some prominent Republicans are backing away from cut-and-dried opposition, and some party operatives say it's only a matter of time before others follow suit because the country is changing.

("Some" people say "some" things "some" of the time... We are not against Laws allowing a Homosexual to go visit their AIDS inflicted partner in the Hospital while they Die. Laws that hinder that are WRONG, but Marriage needs NOT be molested in some veiled attempt to give an underserved validation to a sexual deviancy that is not on it's own merits, deserving. - tha malcontent)

Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah, a Mormon who is a potential presidential candidate, backed a 2004 constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. But he says he favors civil unions and extending some legal rights to gay couples.

(Yeah, as do MOST people, regardless of Party affiliation, AP... And you KNOW this. If you respected your Constitutional Responsibility as a "Free Press", you wouldn't be so obviously rooting for one side on this issue like you are. - tha malcontent)

Last month, John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt, told the Log Cabin Republicans: "Even though a majority of Republicans remain opposed to it, we must respect dissent on the subject within the party and encourage debate over it, and should not reject out of hand and on specious grounds ... that the party might be in the wrong on the question."

(A RINO's bottom-feeding Hack said what?... NOT NEWS, AP! - tha malcontent)

The shifting landscape is emboldening the gay-rights' movement, a pillar of the Democratic Party's left flank.

(It's only "shifting" as much as the Despotic Branch is FORCING IT! - tha malcontent)

"We are at a tipping point moment," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocate of gay rights. "The lingering minority that continues to think that the way to win is to hold GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) people up as a wedge could not be more out of touch."

(We are NOT the "minority" you filthy, lying Deviant! California, a BLUE State, Voted in a MAJORITY AGAINST Homosexual Marriage. The AP regurgitating this abject Lie is the same as telling the Lie themselves... If they had ANY Shame. - tha malcontent)

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On the Net:

Log Cabin Republicans: http://online.logcabin.org/ (http://online.logcabin.org/)
(Pro-Homosexual Link #1 - tha malcontent)

Human Rights Campaign: http://www.hrc.org/ (http://www.hrc.org/)
(Pro-Homosexual Link #2 - tha malcontent)

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.x (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.x)
(Pro-Homosexual Link #3 - tha malcontent)

(Now how's that for hearing both sides in the final word in the form of links. The AP is the furthest thing from "Free" in the sense the Founders Intended for our "Free Press". They are Liberal Advocates, and they will assist in the Destruction of this REPUBLIC at every chance they get... Bet. - tha malcontent)


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[tha malcontent™]

I Know that VERY FEW Pro-Homosexual Marriage Advocates will read all or any of that, so I will just ask...

Do you Support the Courts Forcing an Issue that Majority of People, even in a Blue DemocRAT State like California, don't want?...

Do you Support the "Free Press" Advocating instead of Reporting?...

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[Lawson_Raider]

It is evident that the leftists don't care about the majority or the correct means of Contitutional addressment of changing the laws of the nation.

They believe in any ways necessary. If the legal process doesn't work, then find and shop for an activist judge who will legislate from the bench.

These folks DO NOT CARE about the Constitution or democracy, they only care for what they want.

[ShinGouki]

i hate to bring this up... but if we had allowed the states population to vote on civil rights for blacks in the 1960s, the south would still be segregated.

[tha malcontent™]

i hate to bring this up... but if we had allowed the states population to vote on civil rights for blacks in the 1960s, the south would still be segregated.

I Hate to have to Inform you that Race is not Analagous to Chosen Sexual Deviations...

It's Insulting to that Movement and Honest Injustices they Suffered for Basic Freedoms...

Marriage is a Reflection of what Creates us, and Homosexuals are not being Denied Work or Housing because they Choose to Deviate Sexually...

They are simply being Denied the Oppurtunity to Force Society to Validate their Choice by Chaning Marriage's Inherent Definition.

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[tha malcontent™]

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[barik]

Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base.

I like this sentence. If they actually do this, I'd be willing to turn Republican again.

[Joeybear23]

I like this sentence. If they actually do this, I'd be willing to turn Republican again.

You don't happen to have served in Iraq and have an uncle who used to post here, do you?

[barik]

You don't happen to have served in Iraq and have an uncle who used to post here, do you?

No sir, sorry.

[Joeybear23]

No sir, sorry.

But you sounded soooo familiar...

[tha malcontent™]

I like this sentence. If they actually do this, I'd be willing to turn Republican again.

What do you like about it?...

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[tha malcontent™]

It is evident that the leftists don't care about the majority or the correct means of Contitutional addressment of changing the laws of the nation.

They believe in any ways necessary. If the legal process doesn't work, then find and shop for an activist judge who will legislate from the bench.

These folks DO NOT CARE about the Constitution or democracy, they only care for what they want.

Liberals are Inherently Self-Centered Creatures...

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[daisymay]

I Know that VERY FEW Pro-Homosexual Marriage Advocates will read all or any of that, so I will just ask...

Do you Support the Courts Forcing an Issue that Majority of People, even in a Blue DemocRAT State like California, don't want?...

Do you Support the "Free Press" Advocating instead of Reporting?...

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I Know that VERY FEW Anti-Homosexual Marriage Advocates will read all or any of that....

But Miss California wants to know, what is your stance on "opposite marriage"?

[fallenturtle]

It's like this AP, the guy that you campaigned and Voted for last fall, the Messiah... The One... Barry Hussein Obama-Rodham-Sotero, does NOT Support Homosexual Marriage, and neither does his Vice President...

You do realize that Obama and Biden don't represent the exact beliefs of all Democrats, right? Just because they aren't in favor of it doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of other Democrats who are in favor of same-sex civil marriage.


In recent weeks, Vermont and Iowa have legalized same-sex marriage, while New York, Maine and New Hampshire have taken steps in that direction. Polls show younger Americans are far are more tolerant on the issue than are older generations. For now at least, the public is much more focused on the troubled economy and two wars than on social issues.

(You don't support sexual deviants redefining marriage outside of what is a reflection of what Creates our species naturally?... Then the AP says you are intolerant. The sad thing is, there are a lot of people who don't want to be called intolerant, no matter how dishonest the accusation is against them, as is the case in this situation. - tha malcontent)Do you have issues with words? Intolerant means not being tolerant of something. Do you deny being intolerant towards same-sex civil marriage?


In addition, over the past decade, public acceptance of gay marriage has changed dramatically.

(Cheerlead for an agenda much, AP?... Do you think that maybe you and the Deviants in Hollywood have affected public opinion at all? But what does that matter, it's whatever the Liberals in the Courts dictate, isn't it. - tha malcontent)

How does an observation equate to cheerleading?

I like how you use the word "deviant". You should dress up as an old timey preacher for Halloween.

A Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that a majority of people questioned, by a 55-38 percent margin, oppose gay marriage. But it also found that people, by a 57-38 percent margin, support civil unions that would provide marriage-like rights for same-sex couples, indicating a shift toward more acceptance.

(I'd LOVE to see the poll questions on this one... A thought... How many people do you believe supported Slavery back in 1800? Did that justify Slavery? - tha malcontent)Which is why many pro same-sex civil marriage supporters believe that it may have to be done through the courts since opposition to same-sex civil marriage, like the racism behind slavery, is based in bigotry. Obviously racism and slavery were a trillian times worse a situation to be in as oppose to being gay and wanting same-sex civil marriage, but it's still a form of bigotry.

With congressional elections next year, Republicans, Democrats and nonpartisan analysts say the changes benefit Democrats, whose bedrock liberals favor gay unions, and disadvantage Republicans, whose conservative base insists that marriage be solely between a man and a woman.

(I'd LOVE to see the names of these Republicans... And regardless, a deterioration of society benefiting DemocRATS isn't exactly something they should be happy about. - tha malcontent)You don't believe there are republics who believe marriage is solely between a mand and a woman? What do you need a list for? Same-sex civil marriage and homosexuality in general has not remotedly deteriated society, though if you have proof otherwise, please share it.

"This is not a sea change. This is a tide that is slowly rising in favor of gay marriage," creating a favorable political situation for Democrats and ever-more difficulty for Republicans, said David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University in California.

(The more I hear the AP regurgitate this, the more I question if they really believe it themselves, or are they trying to convince themselves of it with repetition?... - tha malcontent)You don't think more and more people are slowly coming to be more acceptant of same-sex civil marraige?

Democrats have a broader base filled with more accepting younger voters, as well as flexibility on the issue. Hard-core liberals support gay marriage, while others, including President Barack Obama, take a more moderate position of civil unions and defer to states on gay marriage.

(Not supporting Homosexual Marriage is now "Moderate" because it's the Messiah's position?... Here little lap dog, come here AP... Good boy... Sit. - tha malcontent) Not support same-sex civil marriage but supporting civil unions is clearly between one side who opposes all forms of civil recognition for same-sex couples and the other side who believes they should have civil recognition under the name of marriage. So yea, the middle position would be moderate.

Conversely, the GOP base is older, smaller and more conservative. Republicans have no place to shift on the issue but to the left, because the party has been identified largely with its rock-solid opposition to gay marriage and civil unions. Also, the GOP has no titular head setting the tone on this or other issues.

(So if the REPUBLICans don't embrace and validate sexual deviancy, they are done?... This is an AP "News" story, is it not? - tha malcontent) Where does the AP say there are done?

In recent months, proponents have used state legislatures and court challenges to legalize gay marriage, mindful that the majority of the public still isn't supportive and successful ballot measures would be less likely.

(So the REPUBLICans ARE on the majority side of this Issue?... So much so that the Liberals have to molest society with the Courts and the Legislatures because they KNOW that the American People do NOT support Homosexual Marriage?... You can't have it both ways, AP! - tha malcontent)"Molest society"? lol

Still, I don't see your issue with the AP here. What are the two ways they can't have?

[PhantomPholly]

Actually, I think that the Gay Marriage issue might be one to help turn back the trend of "Legislating from the Bench." Tiring of having it's prerogatives usurped, Congress may actually recognize that they have been emasculated by Liberal power-hungry Judges.

It is becoming clearer to many people that the so-called "Gay Marriage" issue is in fact the best known case of PURPOSELY attempting to circumvent Congress. This is because the Gay community, understanding that lobbying for privileges similar to married people would NEVER succeed, are attempting a calculated end-run around the Congress by attempting to have multiple State Courts rule that the LEGAL definition of "Marriage" is simply a pair of humans in civil union. Using such judgments, they then propose to demand financial benefits passed by Congress for heterosexual married couples even though Congress CLEARLY was not using that definition of the word when those laws were passed.

It is time to demand that our Congress reclaim powers reserved for them under the Constitution and, should it come to pass that even EVERY State pass such "Gay Marriage" laws deny such benefits until and unless Congress legitimately passes them into law.

I would be in favor of this even in the unlikely outcome that Congress DID pass such a law, for if they were to reclaim their Constitutionally-granted powers it would put and end to, and perhaps reverse, the recent Unconstitutional instances of "Legislation from the Bench" which is tearing our system apart.

[tha malcontent™]

Which is why many pro same-sex civil marriage supporters believe that it may have to be done through the courts since opposition to same-sex civil marriage, like the racism behind slavery, is based in bigotry. Obviously racism and slavery were a trillian times worse a situation to be in as oppose to being gay and wanting same-sex civil marriage, but it's still a form of bigotry.


Before you Posted in this Short Thread...

I Hate to have to Inform you that Race is not Analagous to Chosen Sexual Deviations...

It's Insulting to that Movement and Honest Injustices they Suffered for Basic Freedoms...

Marriage is a Reflection of what Creates us, and Homosexuals are not being Denied Work or Housing because they Choose to Deviate Sexually...

They are simply being Denied the Oppurtunity to Force Society to Validate their Choice by Chaning Marriage's Inherent Definition.

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[fallenturtle]

Political insiders no doubt will pay close attention to developments in Iowa and New Hampshire, early presidential voting states, to see how the issue plays out in the run-up to the 2012 presidential election.

(Why do Liberals hate Voters? - tha malcontent) How is this evidence that they hate liberal voters?

For years, the GOP and its conservative base has used its opposition to gay marriage to drive Republican turnout in elections and marginalize party moderates. Measures defining marriage between a man and a woman that were on ballots in a slew of states in 2004 were widely credited with boosting the number of conservative voters, giving Republican George W. Bush an edge over Democrat John Kerry.

(Is this an Opinion piece?... Is it the AP's job to make such assertions? If they were to say that Barry played on the fears of Americans during a Recession last fall with his "Great Depression" talk, and that he used it to get Votes, then I guess I could say there were just observing some analysis on an even handed basis, but they would no more ink that than they would Vote for a REPUBLICan. - tha malcontent)

What's certain is that opposition to gay marriage for decades has been a potent tool for the GOP in rallying social conservatives. They are critical to the party's grass-roots organizing and small-dollar fundraising.

(That's "certain"?... What the ****, AP? You have an Obligation, not just to the 1st Amendment, but to the Public, and to your own claims of Objectivity, to NOT do what you are doing right now. - tha malcontent)

How is that an opinion statement? It's pretty damn obvious that the right has used the issue of same-sex marriage to get voters out to the polls and likewise I'm sure the same happens with certain issues and Democrats. All political parties are opportunistic. It's the nature of the beast.


Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah, a Mormon who is a potential presidential candidate, backed a 2004 constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. But he says he favors civil unions and extending some legal rights to gay couples.

(Yeah, as do MOST people, regardless of Party affiliation, AP... And you KNOW this. If you respected your Constitutional Responsibility as a "Free Press", you wouldn't be so obviously rooting for one side on this issue like you are. - tha malcontent)

What does non-objective journalism have to do with a constitutional responsibility as a "free press"? You do realize that the practice of non-objective journalism didn't start to come about until the last 100 years.

Last month, John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt, told the Log Cabin Republicans: "Even though a majority of Republicans remain opposed to it, we must respect dissent on the subject within the party and encourage debate over it, and should not reject out of hand and on specious grounds ... that the party might be in the wrong on the question."

(A RINO's bottom-feeding Hack said what?... NOT NEWS, AP! - tha malcontent)

How dare the AP report about the GOP's Deviant minority. How dare they Molest the GOP!

The shifting landscape is emboldening the gay-rights' movement, a pillar of the Democratic Party's left flank.

(It's only "shifting" as much as the Despotic Branch is FORCING IT! - tha malcontent)

Despite the actions of the court, it's hard to not see how there has been a leftward movement in the general population towards the acceptance of homosexuality based issues.

"We are at a tipping point moment," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocate of gay rights. "The lingering minority that continues to think that the way to win is to hold GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) people up as a wedge could not be more out of touch."

(We are NOT the "minority" you filthy, lying Deviant! California, a BLUE State, Voted in a MAJORITY AGAINST Homosexual Marriage. The AP regurgitating this abject Lie is the same as telling the Lie themselves... If they had ANY Shame. - tha malcontent)

Whether or not its a lie, most people realize when reading an article like that that when words are placed within quotation marks and include the name of the source, it's a quote and not something the AP is saying themselves.

(Now how's that for hearing both sides in the final word in the form of links. The AP is the furthest thing from "Free" in the sense the Founders Intended for our "Free Press". They are Liberal Advocates, and they will assist in the Destruction of this REPUBLIC at every chance they get... Bet. - tha malcontent)

You're just being paranoid... homosexuality and same-sex marriage is not going to destroy the Republic... though I'm curious to how you think it will.

[tha malcontent™]

How is this evidence that they hate liberal voters?

You are Confused...

Reread what I Wrote.

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[fallenturtle]

Before you Posted in this Short Thread...
Yes I saw that and I believe you are wrong.

It's silly to say it's insulting to one movement based around the opposition to bigotry to relate it to another movement based around the opposition of bigotry. Most grown adults know the difference and how they compare on a scale of travesties.

[fallenturtle]

You are Confused...

Reread what I Wrote.

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I am confused, and that's despite the fact that I reread what you wrote. How does the watching of reaction on a particular issue relate to liberals hating voters?

[tha malcontent™]

You're just being paranoid... homosexuality and same-sex marriage is not going to destroy the Republic... though I'm curious to how you think it will.

I don't Remember saying that Specifically...

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[tha malcontent™]

I am confused, and that's despite the fact that I reread what you wrote. How does the watching of reaction on a particular issue relate to liberals hating voters?

By Contrast they Love the Liberals they put on the Bench who Dictate to the Voters what WILL be...

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[tha malcontent™]

Yes I saw that and I believe you are wrong.

It's silly to say it's insulting to one movement based around the opposition to bigotry to relate it to another movement based around the opposition of bigotry. Most grown adults know the difference and how they compare on a scale of travesties.

Some Bigotry is Good...

Do you Embrace Pedophiles?... Or are you Bigotted Against them?...

I have no Issue with what Consenting Adults do in the Deviancy of their own Homes...

Force Sexually Deviant Choices on Society, Demand that Society Embraces it in Law, and that's where I have an Issue.

And I will ALWAYS Take Issue with Sexual Deviants Attempting to Molest the Honest Civil Rights Struggle of People of Color.

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[fallenturtle]

I don't Remember saying that Specifically...

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They are Liberal Advocates, and they will assist in the Destruction of this REPUBLIC at every chance they get..

Sorry, it's just that you spent two posts railing against the AP and it's supposed promotion of homosexuality and then you said that they will assist in the destruction of our republic at every chance they get, thus I put one and one together. I apologize if I mischaracterized your statement.

[fallenturtle]

By Contrast they Love the Liberals they put on the Bench who Dictate to the Voters what WILL be...

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Not everyone on the bench was placed there by a liberal, and it's not dictating, its basing a decision off the state's (or country's) constitution.

[tha malcontent™]

[/b][/i][/color][/font]Sorry, it's just that you spent two posts railing against the AP and it's supposed promotion of homosexuality and then you said that they will assist in the destruction of our republic at every chance they get, thus I put one and one together. I apologize if I mischaracterized your statement.

Thanks...

I Beleive that Homosexuality being Validated and Normalized is only Part of the Larger Equation that is Leading Towards the Fall of this REPUBLIC...

As with Rome, it wasn't just the People in Power with Little Boys that Took it Down...

But that Gratiutously Selfish Sexually Gluttoney was Part of it...

We have our Examples today with the DemocRAT Mayor of Portland, Liberal Err Amerika Yakker now Felon Pedophile, Bernie Ward, Barney Frank (D), and plenty of Liberal Psychologists and Tenured Professors who are Leading the way...

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[tha malcontent™]

Not everyone on the bench was placed there by a liberal, and it's not dictating, its basing a decision off the state's (or country's) constitution.

Feel Free to Point to the Conservative Judges who are Pushing Homosexual Marriage from the Bench...

As for the Excuse for their Legislating from the Bench and ****ing the Voter's Faces...

Save it.

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[fallenturtle]

Some Bigotry is Good...

Do you Embrace Pedophiles?... Or are you Bigotted Against them?...

Most grown adults know the difference and how they compare on a scale of travesties.

Obviously pedophilia is near the bottom of that scale.

I have no Issue with what Consenting Adults do in the Deviancy of their own Homes...

Force Sexually Deviant Choices on Society, Demand that Society Embraces it in Law, and that's where I have an Issue.

Who's demanding that society embrace all our laws? Do the pot-prohibitionists demand that society embrace anti-drug laws? Do those who pass laws curtailing the use of fully automatic weapons force people who don't support laws to embrace such laws? Of course not. Do they try to coax into the support of such laws, of course... but there's no force.

And I will ALWAYS Take Issue with Sexual Deviants Attempting to Molest the Honest Civil Rights Struggle of People of Color. I'm sure you will.

[fallenturtle]

Thanks...

I Beleive that Homosexuality being Validated and Normalized is only Part of the Larger Equation that is Leading Towards the Fall of this REPUBLIC...

As with Rome, it wasn't just the People in Power with Little Boys that Took it Down...

But that Gratiutously Selfish Sexually Gluttoney was Part of it...

I've heard these claims before, but I've never actually read how such things lead to the fall. Frankly I have my doubts that it did (we're talking the end of the Republic and not the Empire, correct)? Do you know of any sources that explain how sexuality lead to the fall?

[tha malcontent™]

Obviously pedophilia is near the bottom of that scale.



Who's demanding that society embrace all our laws? Do the pot-prohibitionists demand that society embrace anti-drug laws? Do those who pass laws curtailing the use of fully automatic weapons force people who don't support laws to embrace such laws? Of course not. Do they try to coax into the support of such laws, of course... but there's no force.

I'm sure you will.

Embracing the Deviancy in Law...

Calling the Coupling of Same Sex Participants "Marriage" in Law lends Credibility and even Equality to what Creates us...

Something Homosexual Coupling is Factually NOT Equal to.

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[fallenturtle]

Embracing the Deviancy in Law...

Calling the Coupling of Same Sex Participants "Marriage" in Law lends Credibility and even Equality to what Creates us...

Something Homosexual Coupling is Factually NOT Equal to.

:)

peace...

So you're worried about a passive force that causes a changing in the public perception of homosexuals and not an active force?

[tha malcontent™]

So you're worried about a passive force that causes a changing in the public perception of homosexuals and not an active force?

The Active Force, the "Free Press", Certain DemocRATS and the Despotic Branch are my Concern.

:)

peace...

[darknessesedge]

I can still rememeber when democrat men where still masculine.
and democrat women were feminine.
now they are a mixture.

[fallenturtle]

The Active Force, the "Free Press", Certain DemocRATS and the Despotic Branch are my Concern.

:)

peace...

How is that an active force? It's not like they're holding a gun to your head and demanding you support same-sex civil marriage.

[fallenturtle]

I can still rememeber when democrat men where still masculine.
and democrat women were feminine.
now they are a mixture.

Life is more interesting when you break from such societal molds. I prefer to be myself, I'm not going to pretend that I love sports and that the fine arts are faggy... I know, very liberal of me.

[Roberts_the_man]

<snip>
You're just being paranoid... homosexuality and same-sex marriage is not going to destroy the Republic... though I'm curious to how you think it will.

This was written as a strategy to bring America down by discrediting the welfare system but a similar strategy is being employed by gays with gay marriage as a pertinent example for this thread.


http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

CLOWARD-PIVEN STRATEGY

"Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one."

"... Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, ... "


One could look through this or similar threads and find arguments
that mirror some of the same arguments employed by the pro-gay marraige argument, remember the post prop 8 demonstrations,etc."

[Roberts_the_man]

How is that an active force? It's not like they're holding a gun to your head and demanding you support same-sex civil marriage.

All of the above special interest groups and with the propaganda of the msm and media that are partnered with marxist to radically change our society through the erosion of morals, standards, traditional marraige, pushing legislation and rulings to the extreme when the legislation doesn't happen, it's all related to the revolution that marxists want to eventually bring upon America once it is so split over social, family, economic and political, etc. views that America won't view itself as one nation.

With all that's going on that fostered by the left's radical aganda it's probably only a small matter of time.

[fallenturtle]

This was written as a strategy to bring America down by discrediting the welfare system but a similar strategy is being employed by gays with gay marriage as a pertinent example for this thread.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

CLOWARD-PIVEN STRATEGY

"Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one."

"... Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, ... "

One could look through this or similar threads and find arguments
that mirror some of the same arguments employed by the pro-gay marriage argument, remember the post prop 8 demonstrations,etc."

I think you're going to have to better explain the correlation here. I realize there were angry protests after prop 8 passed and that some people took things too far, but how that parallels with trying to bring down society by overloading the welfare system, I'm not quite sure I get.

Ironically though that sounds like one of those smart-ass comments I hear from conservatives saying how they're just going to quit their jobs and live off welfare since it's so nice and try to break the system.

[fallenturtle]

All of the above special interest groups and with the propaganda of the msm and media that are partnered with marxist to radically change our society through the erosion of morals, standards, traditional marraige, pushing legislation and rulings to the extreme when the legislation doesn't happen, it's all related to the revolution that marxists want to eventually bring upon America once it is so split over social, family, economic and political, etc. views that America won't view itself as one nation.

With all that's going on that fostered by the left's radical aganda it's probably only a small matter of time.

It amuses me how so many of these rants sound straight out of the 50-60's. Communism is so not a threat to our country and there's no inside leftist Marxist plot trying to bring down the republic by eroding our morals.

http://www.fallenturtle.com/random/sa_tinfoil.gif

[tjvh]

I like this sentence. If they actually do this, I'd be willing to turn Republican again.

I thought it was interesting that they said "public's growing acceptance"... Umm, not even in Liberal California. Where are they getting the idea acceptance is "growing"? Maybe they just want to "believe" that in their alternative reality.

[tha malcontent™]

I thought it was interesting that they said "public's growing acceptance"... Umm, not even in Liberal California. Where are they getting the idea acceptance is "growing"? Maybe they just want to "believe" that in their alternative reality.

In Certain Courts that are Loaded with Deviant Loving Liberals on the Bench, put there by other Deviant Loving Liberals...

If Cali said NO to Homosexual Marriage, then you can bet your Mortgage that the Country would do the same in an Amendment Process...

And the Liberals Fear that, so they stay Hiding, like the Filthy Cowards they are, behind the Despotic Branch, Pushing thier Deviant Agenda on this REPUBLIC.

Shameless Bastards, each and every one who is doing it.

:)

peace...

[Mobulis]

I thought it was interesting that they said "public's growing acceptance"... Umm, not even in Liberal California. Where are they getting the idea acceptance is "growing"? Maybe they just want to "believe" that in their alternative reality.

It is growing, as more states legalize gay marriage and people see that its not the end of the world.

[fallenturtle]

Unfortunately, this isn't sourced, so I'm not going to put any claims on it's accuracy, but I did think it was interesting. I cut away most of the editorializing which can be read by clicking on the source link.

The Roman Empire fell, as empires do, for straightforward economic reasons; not because of anything to do with sex at all. By the third century AD the once-vigorous Roman state was ruled by a parasitic horde of soldiers and bureaucrats, who lived off the productive efforts of a dwindling class of farmers and artisans. Most of what would now be wage-labour was performed by slaves. This endless supply of free labour meant that there was no incentive for technical development or economic expansion. The slave system meant that neither a bourgeoisie nor a proletariat in the modern sense could evolve, that there could be no accumulation of capital, and that there was no real economic, social or political development. Only the rich could consume, and they consumed mainly imported luxuries. The wealth of the Empire, built up by conquest not production, thus drained away to the East or was wasted in military expenditure. Once the Empire stopped expanding territorially, it was living off its fat. Its economy first ceased to grow, then stagnated, then began to decline. Put simply, the Roman Empire went broke.

Not having discovered economics, Roman governments had little understanding of what was going on. They tried to cover their deficits by simply increasing taxation, which of course further weakened what remained of the productive economy and eventually destroyed it altogether. When the barbarian challenge came in the fifth century AD, the State could not raise, feed, equip or train the necessary troops to defend its enormous territories, and like the Spanish, British and American Empires after it, it collapsed under the weight of its own economic contradictions.

Finally, I can't resist pointing out one other major change in the later Empire. Late in the fourth century the Emperor Constantine, searching for some political underpinning for his autocratic regime, scrapped the old Greco-Roman state religion with its dozens of quarrelsome gods, and replaced it with a new monotheistic cult from the East, Christianity. The new religion, with its strict hierarchy both celestial and earthly and its admirable stress on social discipline, respect for authority and rendering unto Caesar suited Constantine's purposes nicely. The Christian Church, in return for propping up the regime, obtained vast power over education, morals, the family and social policy generally. One consequence of this was the imposition of the Judaeo-Christian sexual ethic on the Empire in place of the pagan-Hellenic one we have already looked at. This was bad news for homosexuality, and for everything not conforming to the new orthodoxy. By the time the Roman state collapsed in the fifth century the Empire, far from succumbing to homosexuality and decadence..., was already declining into the pious Christian barbarism of the feudal era...
source: http://www.adam-carr.net/014.html

[tha malcontent™]

Unfortunately, this isn't sourced, so I'm not going to put any claims on it's accuracy, but I did think it was interesting. I cut away most of the editorializing which can be read by clicking on the source link.


source: http://www.adam-carr.net/014.html

The Roman Empire Fell because Wealth brought Selfishness, and Selfishness fed the Destruction...

Homosexuality and Pedophilia were just Examples of the overall Problem of the Worshiping of Self.

We are Following the same Path.

:)

peace...

[ThinkingMan]

i hate to bring this up... but if we had allowed the states population to vote on civil rights for blacks in the 1960s, the south would still be segregated.

It's a good thing Democrats didn't always get their way.

[fallenturtle]

The Roman Empire Fell because Wealth brought Selfishness, and Selfishness fed the Destruction...

That maybe one of the most anti-capitalist things that I've heard you say. Heck, that's a fairly good description of what happened on Wall Street.

Homosexuality and Pedophilia were just Examples of the overall Problem of the Worshiping of Self.

Homosexuality has no more to do with worshiping the self then heterosexuality does. As far as Rome goes, it was just part of their culture.

We are Following the same Path.

Nah. Our economy has always had a history of ups and downs like this. There's no direct correlation between the practicing of homosexuality or the lack of shunning of homosexuality with the end of society. The continuation of society is not dependent on a prude culture.

[tha malcontent™]

That maybe one of the most anti-capitalist things that I've heard you say. Heck, that's a fairly good description of what happened on Wall Street.



Homosexuality has no more to do with worshiping the self then heterosexuality does. As far as Rome goes, it was just part of their culture.



Nah. Our economy has always had a history of ups and downs like this. There's no direct correlation between the practicing of homosexuality or the lack of shunning of homosexuality with the end of society. The continuation of society is not dependent on a prude culture.

Capitalism is Like Money... Neither are Evil... The Love of Either is...

Get it?...

:)

peace...

[tinydancer]

Capitalism is Like Money... Neither are Evil... The Love of Either is...

Get it?...

:)

peace...

Dear Mal:

When I can't post a link to ANY gay website without fear of being banned, when every time on one of those websites trying to pull up data for posters who DEMAND I do so

Holy toledo, that says it all.......

Yours,
TD

[fallenturtle]

Capitalism is Like Money... Neither are Evil... The Love of Either is...

Get it?...

:)

peace...

I think its fine to love capitalism and/or money. It's selfishness and greed that become a problem.

[fallenturtle]

Dear Mal:

When I can't post a link to ANY gay website without fear of being banned, when every time on one of those websites trying to pull up data for posters who DEMAND I do so

Holy toledo, that says it all.......

Yours,
TD

You're demanding gay websites do what with data for posters?


And there is absolute nothing holy about Toledo.

[WhiteHatBobby]

I predict Roger will buy Saturn first, and then eventually take over the entire GM.

[tha malcontent™]

I think its fine to love capitalism and/or money. It's selfishness and greed that become a problem.

You're not Understanding the Definition of Love...

It's the Love of Money, and in that, Capitalism, that is the Root of All Evil...

It's in EVERY Society, and has been since Humans began Documenting themselves.

The Love of Money is Usually Rooted in the Love of Self...

Selflessness is a Rare Commodity in our Society these days.

Even those who Appear to be, are Usually Selling something.

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

Dear Mal:

When I can't post a link to ANY gay website without fear of being banned, when every time on one of those websites trying to pull up data for posters who DEMAND I do so

Holy toledo, that says it all.......

Yours,
TD

Arguably the San Francisco Chronicle's Site could get you Banned...

It's Linked to Material that is a TOS Violation here and on many Sites...

:)

peace...

[fallenturtle]

You're not Understanding the Definition of Love...

Should I read more poetry?

It's the Love of Money, and in that, Capitalism, that is the Root of All Evil...

It's in EVERY Society, and has been since Humans began Documenting themselves.

The Love of Money is Usually Rooted in the Love of Self...

Selflessness is a Rare Commodity in our Society these days.

Even those who Appear to be, are Usually Selling something.

You don't think it's possible to love money and not be selfish? I believe there are many people who work in financial or who are economists who love money, find the stuff fascinating, but don't desire to screw over the little guy.

But either way, it's a factor in all economies. In Capitalism selfishness can lead to screwing over the less fortunate. In Communism it can lead to a lack of desire to work hard or, when in the hands of the leaders, lead to a terrible living condition for your citizens.

I think the US will be just fine.

[fallenturtle]

Arguably the San Francisco Chronicle's Site could get you Banned...

It's Linked to Material that is a TOS Violation here and on many Sites...

:)

peace...

Like what?

[tha malcontent™]

Should I read more poetry?



You don't think it's possible to love money and not be selfish? I believe there are many people who work in financial or who are economists who love money, find the stuff fascinating, but don't desire to screw over the little guy.

But either way, it's a factor in all economies. In Capitalism selfishness can lead to screwing over the less fortunate. In Communism it can lead to a lack of desire to work hard or, when in the hands of the leaders, lead to a terrible living condition for your citizens.

I think the US will be just fine.

Again, I Think you are Misapplying "Love"...

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

Like what?

As if...

Not even Entertaining that one.

:)

peace...

[Quislet]

I Hate to have to Inform you that Race is not Analagous to Chosen Sexual Deviations...

It's Insulting to that Movement and Honest Injustices they Suffered for Basic Freedoms...




Coretta Scott King:
I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.

[tha malcontent™]

Coretta Scott King:

Yeah, I Know about King's Wife...

Interesting, but as Irrelevant as your Opinion and Mine.

:)

peace...

[Quislet]

Yeah, I Know about King's Wife...

Interesting, but as Irrelevant as your Opinion and Mine.

:)

peace...


I agree that your opinion "It's Insulting to that Movement and Honest Injustices they Suffered for Basic Freedoms..." is irrelevant.

Plus the second quote is not opinion, but a statement of fact.

[tha malcontent™]

I agree that your opinion "It's Insulting to that Movement and Honest Injustices they Suffered for Basic Freedoms..." is irrelevant.

Plus the second quote is not opinion, but a statement of fact.

Post what you are Calling Fact...

:)

peace...