right obsession with illegal immgration

[latinousa]

i mean come on there are other issues

[ThrowCop]

No matter what side you are on, when between 5 & 10% of people in this Country are here illegally, that is a HUGE issue don't ya think?

[latinousa]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

[latinousa]

plus whites outnumber the latinos

[ThrowCop]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in drovesProbably not as much, IMO but that is supposition only.

But again, if 5-10% of the population is here illegally, that is a HUGE issue that needs to be dealt with don't you think?

[CaptainPike]

Being brown makes it OK to be here illegally.

[ThrowCop]

Being brown makes it OK to be here illegally.What about cafe au lait?

[F9thRet]

What we need is a chocolate city to put all the illegals in... Oh wait.

Stephen

[Army Wife]

I don't give a flip what color you are, if you are here illegally then you need to be jailed/deported. No matter WHO you are or WHAT color you are!

Come here legally and I have NO issues with you as long as you are...not sponging off the government, paying your own way, obeying our laws and LEAVE when your visa EXPIRES. If this is done you are golden to me.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

i mean come on there are other issues

Like sexuality!

[Seanachie]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from Canada came to USA in droves


A short study in American History shows how this happened 160 or so years ago. These Irish 'white people' arrived on these (and Canadian) shores in droves, many dead within what was referred to at the time and since, as coffin ships to escape a man-made famine. Was that a 'race' issue also or just simple survival?

I seriously doubt that the 'Right' is obsessed with this issue as is portrayed as a matter of course by none other than; left wing fanatical wackos. Methinks I know exactly where this obsession is born and bred as is contained in the mantra of Anarchist leftists.

Methinks every Citizen here in the U.S.A. has the genuine concern and obligation to make certain that immigration laws are enforced in an even handed way no matter what group seeks to LEGALLY emigrate to our shores. Every person of every Country has this obligation. The difference here between the USA and other Countries is that there is a process in place, without any Government Laws sanctioning violence to repel those who seek to LEGALLY immigrate here.

Perhaps we should just ignore ALL of our laws to satisfy the moans and groans of those who illegally arrive here from places where the Rule of Law is no more than an Anarchist's dream of utopia.

And, by the way, there are many Irish 'white people' who are here illegally; helped along with that by previous Irish immigrants as there are of any other 'Race' helped along by former immigrants of their particular 'Race' who are now Citizens.

I'm quite sure the Irish and Anti-Irish also played the race card 150 years ago. The playing of the 'race card' was just as ugly then as it is now; no matter from what end the 'Race Card' is played to gain credence or, conversely, the damnation for the lacking in this dubious attribute by using this 'card' to achieve any means or ends.

Methinks the playing of the 'Race Card' as it applies to the 'Right' is no more than the bigoted (you need power to be a 'Racist', ie: Germany in WWII) rants of those folks in our Country who seek to justify the means to achieve their misguided ends. They would also damn the Laws of our Land to be an equal equivalent of the hellish Law prevalent in the Lands from whence they came in their escape. They have my permission to go back to their previous abode where they can enjoy that which they so fervently miss.

Those who seek to play the game by using the 'Race Card' are doomed to repeat the same mistakes made too often here in our History.

The Rule of, and Laws of our Land are here for darn good reason (regardless of slants of opinion) and meant to be followed by reasonable people without using it as a crutch to achieve their own selfish ends. Those who abuse and break our Laws should suffer all of the penalties for breaking them; and darn 'right'fully so.

This 'Right Wing' Citizen (I sincerely thank President Bush for opening my eyes and becoming one after the 911 attacks) seeks only this; fair ENFORCEMENT of the Law to any and all persons seeking honest Citizenship in this Great Country of ours.

Those who would denigrate themselves by playing the 'Race Card', here legally or not, are welcome to all that comes along with it; the good, the bad and the ever present, ugly too.

Jim

[LouC]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

I am a person from the right and it matters not the country of origin of the illegal alien I want them all out.

All.

I want all the companies and individuals that have knowingly hired them punished to the fullest extent of our laws.

There are millions upon millions on the right that feel as I do.

Now that you know this you can quit broad brushing all of us on the right as racists.

Okay?

[MrShotShot]

The illegal immigration issue is the root of a vast majority of the governmental problems in states impacted by illegals - CA for example. It is also the root of many of our national issues.

It matters not what color someone is or where they are from. There are legitimate ways to enter this country legally and I, for one, respect and embrace as Countryman anyone who would chart such a course - again, regardless of color or national origin.

[Ex_Spy_Guy]

i prefer my women white and my homies brown....but if you aint American...get the hell out

[gdoane]

They're not immigrants.

Calling these invaders who refuse to learn English, fly the Mexican flag with no American flag in sight, violate our laws with malice and aforethought and live in the shadows like vermin are NOT IMMIGRANTS.

You can toss that politically correct euphemism right in the trash.

Immigrants are people who intend to become Americans. When the first order of business is to break American law, then it's pretty clear that there's no intent to become a citizen in good standing.

Calling these outlaws "immigrants" is a slap in the face to the REAL immigrants who do play by the rules. There are millions of people who have EARNED the title of "immigrant" and it's a disservice to give such a proud title to thieves in the night.

[CrusaderFrank]

We cant tell to the nearest 10 million how many people are here ILLEGALLY in the first place, but let's say its 12MM.

America has a population of 304MM so that an average of 6mm per state (5.3MM in Obama's 57 states).

Therefore, we HAVE 2 WHOLE ADDITIONAL STATES IN THE USA!

I know they're using the services, I'm not so sure theyre paying for it.

See the problemo?

[birddog1]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

It couldn't have anything to do with large masses of people coming here and putting a strain on social programs, hospitals, and school systems. Not to mention many of them working off the books jobs and not paying in any taxes. Instead we are just a bunch of rabid racist.

[bella-day]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

Yeah, I guess it's easier to play the race card using a reallllllllllly wide brush than to take the time to educate yourself about the issue.

Another thing, isn't it strange for a newbie to trot or should I say troll their way around a conservative web site...using their first post to call people racists?

A catch a whiff of something that just doesn't smell right. Kind of like the distinct odor of burnt rubber surrounding you.

Why is that?

Oh and capital letters and punctuation are your friends. Try using them every now and then.

[notluzn]

We just don't want any Slaves to be here in the US. Illegals that are coming here are just the modern day slave. How sad that the left don't care about this.

[ImNewHere]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

1/3 of our prison space isn't taken up by Canadians who jumped the border and committed additional crimes.

[ImNewHere]

Canadians aren't bringing drug-resistant tuberculosis across the border.

[Jabber]

Two Thumbs Up! for gdoane


What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you or I sneak into another country without the proper paperwork, at best we'd be deported and on the otherhand we'd be in jail or just disspear somewhere.
Part of the reason California is $14M in the red is due to the "services" provided to ILLEGALs. People who drain the system and for a large part do not contribute. Yes, there are those who do contribute, but from my experiences they are few and far between. And yes, we have our own who suck the system dry. (but that's another issue)
Come legally and I will embrace you with open arms. Try sneaking in the back door and you'll get your butt kicked.

[BillyBobUSA]

plus whites outnumber the latinos


Most Latinos self identify as white and the next category is 'other', meaning most likely Mestizo, which historically has been classified as 'white'.

The root problem with the racial issues is that the leftwing uses them to hide their real agendas.

As to illegal immigration, yes, bust them if they are from Canada too. I know an illegal Canadian that got put in prison for 6 weeks, had to wear an ankle locator bracelet for about 2 months and then was deported and he was as white as a ghost.

It's not about race, it is about black market labor and respect for our laws.

[BillyBobUSA]

We just don't want any Slaves to be here in the US. Illegals that are coming here are just the modern day slave. How sad that the left don't care about this.

It benefits them politically to have more illegals that can vote Democrat (and many of them do vote).

So they have no problem with it.

Anyway, look at the history; who supported slavery back when it was legal? The Democrats.

[CaptC]

The title tells it all.

But MY question is: When did our so called "government" get the authority to decide what laws will be implemented or ignored?

I DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANYONE CURRENTLY IN D.C. - This is not MY government!

[Gabby]

i mean come on there are other issues

Do you know what the law is in Mexico for those who enter and stay in the country illegally? It's 2 years in prison. After that term you are deported. They inforce that law. A person caught illegally in Mexico is lucky if they are not beaten to a pulp by the police before taken to jail.

[latinousa]

wrong latinos come from spain & portgul

quit lying billy bob

[Gabby]

We just don't want any Slaves to be here in the US. Illegals that are coming here are just the modern day slave. How sad that the left don't care about this.

You are right. There are a few kinds of slavery that are caused by the illegal alien problem in the USA.

There are the slaves who are smuggles across the border for the purpose of sex slavery.. they tend to be women and children. They receive no conpensation and are horribly abused. There are an estimated 85,000 in this catagory here in the USA.

There are the ones who cross over and hide in the shadows. American employers pay them little to nothing, they get no employment benefits, no health care, etc. In some cases these people are kept in the their perdicament by force and threats.

Then there are the slaves kept by the Mexican Mafia. They smuggle people in promising them opportunity. Once there they keep the people under their thumb putting them to work and taking their wages. This is considered payment to the MM for transportation to the USA and for 'protection'. Who are they being 'protected' from? Well from the MM of course. These people are slaves too.

Those who do not want to inforce the immigration laws are simply supporters of slavery.

I would like for latinousa to explain to us why he supports slavery... how is supporting slavery a good thing.?

[Gabby]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

Each wave of immigrants to the USA was treated badly. In particular the Irish and the Italians were treated very badly.

Many Irish were brought here as salves and indentured servants by the English. The Englsih mistreated the Irish in the old country and here. A large part of this was caused by the fact that most of the Irish were Catholics and thus hated by the protestant English and other protestants in the USA.

Italians, who were mostly Catholics, were also not treated well by the mostly protestant people here.

For a long time it was not unusual to see signs on stores that read "Irish not Welcome" or "Italians not Welcome". And these were legal immigrants for the most part.

Your assumption that the current concern over illegal alians is about race reflects more on your attitude than it does on the attitudes of anyone who is concerned about it. There are some heavy issues related to illegal immigration. To write them off to racism serves only hurt those you pretend to support.

[USMCmom]

Did not Obama just state in his speech "Paying taxes is part of ones citizenship?" Did not Biden say "We need to be patriotic and pay more taxes?" Obama talked of those who are not paying taxes, I assume he means those who deliberately hide income so that they don't have to pay taxes will be charged for tax evasion? Does that mean that Obama will be going after the 10 million plus illegal aliens who are here in the United States first? Will the illegals who send their money across the borders to other countries be considered "tax evaders!":think:

[latinousa]

Most Latinos self identify as white and the next category is 'other', meaning most likely Mestizo, which historically has been classified as 'white'.

The root problem with the racial issues is that the leftwing uses them to hide their real agendas.

As to illegal immigration, yes, bust them if they are from Canada too. I know an illegal Canadian that got put in prison for 6 weeks, had to wear an ankle locator bracelet for about 2 months and then was deported and he was as white as a ghost.

It's not about race, it is about black market labor and respect for our laws.


wrong most latinos consider themselves latinos
billy bob usa

[latinousa]

You are right. There are a few kinds of slavery that are caused by the illegal alien problem in the USA.

There are the slaves who are smuggles across the border for the purpose of sex slavery.. they tend to be women and children. They receive no conpensation and are horribly abused. There are an estimated 85,000 in this catagory here in the USA.

There are the ones who cross over and hide in the shadows. American employers pay them little to nothing, they get no employment benefits, no health care, etc. In some cases these people are kept in the their perdicament by force and threats.

Then there are the slaves kept by the Mexican Mafia. They smuggle people in promising them opportunity. Once there they keep the people under their thumb putting them to work and taking their wages. This is considered payment to the MM for transportation to the USA and for 'protection'. Who are they being 'protected' from? Well from the MM of course. These people are slaves too.

Those who do not want to inforce the immigration laws are simply supporters of slavery.

I would like for latinousa to explain to us why he supports slavery... how is supporting slavery a good thing.?

the mexican mafia has little power over the white gangs in calfornia who are very powerful they ones intermarrying with our women & having metizos

whte gangs are the problem not so called hispanic gangs

[latinousa]

Each wave of immigrants to the USA was treated badly. In particular the Irish and the Italians were treated very badly.

Many Irish were brought here as salves and indentured servants by the English. The Englsih mistreated the Irish in the old country and here. A large part of this was caused by the fact that most of the Irish were Catholics and thus hated by the protestant English and other protestants in the USA.

Italians, who were mostly Catholics, were also not treated well by the mostly protestant people here.

For a long time it was not unusual to see signs on stores that read "Irish not Welcome" or "Italians not Welcome". And these were legal immigrants for the most part.

Your assumption that the current concern over illegal alians is about race reflects more on your attitude than it does on the attitudes of anyone who is concerned about it. There are some heavy issues related to illegal immigration. To write them off to racism serves only hurt those you pretend to support.

& yet the irish & italian gangs are powerful in such cities as la

chicago, new york city, miami, portland, seattle , boston, etc

[JudasGoat]

being concerned about additional crime from criminals that shouldn't be here in the first place, the spreading and resurfacing of diseases coming form 3rd world countries, additional strains on school systems that we have to pay for, additional strain on social services that again, we have to pay for, the increase in insurance costs because of uninsured illegals and the bankrupting and in some cases closing down of hospitals because they don't pay their bills after recieving treatment is called an obsession?
I think you're way off base.

[Groundhog]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

You got use there. I'll take millions of illegal Europeans and Chinese over 5 illegals from Central America. :rolleyes:


Why would a bunch of Canadians come down here in droves when they have their precious universal health care, and the Mexicans/Guatemalans/Hondurans get free medical care and add to burden of hospitals?

[Gabby]

the mexican mafia has little power over the white gangs in calfornia who are very powerful they ones intermarrying with our women & having metizos

whte gangs are the problem not so called hispanic gangs

The mexican mafia doees not have power over white gangs, nor the black gangs, nor the chinese gangs, nor the japanese gangs and on and on. Just because they do not have power over other gangs does not mean that they are not a significant problem. They have power of their own. The mexican mafia has power over many things, such as forced labor (slavery), drugs, and other crimes.

One thing that latino gangs in Cali are doing is going after black gangs and killing their members at very high levels. Sounds racist to me. With the new hate crimes laws perhaps they should rethink this.

Let me give you a clue about latino women... you and other latino men DO NOT OWN THEM. They are not your property. They have the right to marry who ever they chose. Did you know that many latino men marry non-latino women? There's nothing wrong with that. It's call assimilation.

I note that you do not address the issue of illegal immigration leading to the abuse and even slavery of people. Guess you do not care about that.

Every thing you have said on here sounds racist to me... racist against whites. Pretty sad.

[Gabby]

& yet the irish & italian gangs are powerful in such cities as la

chicago, new york city, miami, portland, seattle , boston, etc

Crime families of every ethnic group are big in most cities: Irish, Italian, Russian, Armanian, Mexican, Chinese and on and on. That does not excuse any of them. Criminals are criminals... dispicable people. They should be locked up and/or deported if they are not US citizens.

Again you did not address the gross abuses of Latinos and other illegals that illegal immigration is allowing. Again you seem to not care about the well being of your abused latino brothers and sisters. A huge percentage are abused by other latinos.

As I've said before, racism drips from your posts.

[Gabby]

wrong most latinos consider themselves latinos
billy bob usa

"Latino" is not a race. It's an ethnic group.

A huge number of Latinos can trace their family linage back to Spain. They are white Europeans.

Of course there are 'latinos' who are mixed with American Indians. They are part American Indian and part white.

I have many friends and family members who fall into these groups.

Why are you so worried about race and ethnicity? What's the point? Are you trying to pit people against each other? Or are you just trying to play the victim?

You are not a victim. Get over it.

[Apatriot]

My mother was a legal immigrant (from Germany) and now is a U.S. citizen. She had to jump through a lot of legal hoops to immigrate here (despite being married to and had a child by an American Army officer). 30 some-odd years later (after raising three productive law-abiding citizens) when she finally decided to become a U.S. citizen, it took her at least 2 yrs of bureacratic nonsense that only stopped when she hired an immigration lawyer.

It is patently unfair and more importantly unjust, that illegals come here and make a living off of our backs without having to go through the bureacratic nightmare that legal immigrants go through. I do admit, I think our quota of Mexican (and other Central/South American) legal immigrants is too low. I also think we need to set up a logical guest worker program.

[latinousa]

1/3 of our prison space isn't taken up by mexicans who jumped the border and committed additional crimes.
all of the prisons in united states are majortiy white

[ValricoKate]

i mean come on there are other issues

Yes there are many other issues ...if you take a look around the board you will notice that many people are discussing many other things.

But I've said all I'm going to say about illegal immigration.
The word "illegal" means something.

[super cool ski instructor]

While I applaud all of you who are trying...I just can't take this thread seriously.....

[notluzn]

all of the prisons in united states are majortiy white
No ****? But this is pathetic
According to INS and FBI statistics from 2006, 29 percent of all the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens. Imprisoning those inmates costs the state and federal governments 1.6 billion dollars every year.

http://www.wwaytv3.com/illegal_immigrants_putting_strain_on_prison_system/08/2008

[bella-day]

& yet the irish & italian gangs are powerful in such cities as la

chicago, new york city, miami, portland, seattle , boston, etc


Not even a decent attempt at deflection.

Sad...really sad.

So now you are jealous of the Irish and Italian gangs that you feel are so powerful?

Just what is your point? So far you have not managed to make a point in this thread.

[latinousa]

latinos are race

we come from spain & portgul

[latinousa]

Not even a decent attempt at deflection.

Sad...really sad.

So now you are jealous of the Irish and Italian gangs that you feel are so powerful?

Just what is your point? So far you have not managed to make a point in this thread.

there a very powerful white gangs where i live see them everyday causing trouble

[bella-day]

there a very powerful gangs where i live see them everyday causing trouble

Now explain what that has to do with illegal immigration?

[latinousa]

i was born in spain the birthplace of the latino race & my skin is brown

so are full blooded hispanics you're thinking metizos

spain & portgul are latino countrys

so stop lying gabby

[latinousa]

Now explain what that has to do with illegal immigration?

i remember after fall of soviet union in the 80's

all russians easten europeans & germans came to this

country in tens of millions & starting gangs

started gang race war against blacks hispanics etc

the hispanic gangs were powerless

because gangs were new breed & hispanics were powerless

after this lapd consider these gangs 1 threat in america

every police high alert

long story short the gangs are still here & gotton more powerful

[bella-day]

i remember after fall of soviet union in the 80's

all russians easten europeans & germans came to this

country in tens of millions & starting gangs

started gang race war against blacks hispanics etc

the hispanic gangs were powerless

because gangs were new breed & hispanics were powerless

after this lapd consider these gangs 1 threat in america

every police high alert

long story short the gangs are still here & gotton more powerful

I think you over estimate their power.

Being powerful in one part of one town does not make them all powerful.

Maybe you need to move to a better part of town or even a different city?

What you claim to be your neighborhood is not representitive of America as a whole.

Now again I will ask...in hopes that you are able to answer.

What in the heck does this have to do with illegal immigration and your stupid theory that the attitude about illegals is all about race?

[Apatriot]

i was born in spain the birthplace of the latino race & my skin is brown

so are full blooded hispanics you're thinking metizos

spain & portgul are latino countrys

so stop lying gabby

Question: Latino, as you were born in Spain, how hard was it for you to legally immigrate?

[PATRIOT1871]

i mean come on there are other issues

This is in response to all of your posts in this thread: back in the late 19th & early 20th centuries there was this little thing called the "Sullivan Act" what this act did here in the state of New York was ban all Irsh & Italians living in New York from owning an type of firearms effectily denting them, their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. This law is still on the books & if Albany decided to do so they could te begin to enforce it after 100 years of inactivity.

So no, its not just about your brown brothers & sisters.

[latinousa]

This is in response to all of your posts in this thread: back in the late 19th & early 20th centuries there was this little thing called the "Sullivan Act" what this act did here in the state of New York was ban all Irsh & Italians living in New York from owning an type of firearms effectily denting them, their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. This law is still on the books & if Albany decided to do so they could te begin to enforce it after 100 years of inactivity.

So no, its not just about your brown brothers & sisters.

yeah the irish & italians gangs respected that law:rolleyes:

[latinousa]

i blame heavy metal music punk rock & grudge music

because it causes white gang members to go nuts & start shooting up places

[latinousa]

I think you over estimate their power.

Being powerful in one part of one town does not make them all powerful.

Maybe you need to move to a better part of town or even a different city?

What you to be your neighborhood is not representitive of America as a whole.

Now again I will ask...in hopes that you are able to answer.

What in the heck does this have to do with illegal immigration and your stupid theory that the attitude about illegals is all about race?


claim this truth

for the record i moved to every major american city
like boston new york city miami new orleans houston dallas
denver portland tempe san diego oakland fresno sacremnto

& currently la

white gangs have follwed me

[samurai7]

We just don't want any Slaves to be here in the US. Illegals that are coming here are just the modern day slave. How sad that the left don't care about this.

And as usual the Democrat party and the Modern Day Whigg party (RINOs) are all for it.

Only real conservatives object, once again. History never ceases to repeat itself.

:rolleyes:

[Getty Girl]

white gangs have follwed me

i call bull****

[pattyk]

claim this truth

for the record i moved to every major american city
like boston new york city miami new orleans houston dallas
denver portland tempe san diego oakland fresno sacremnto

& currently la

white gangs have follwed me

try not moving to a gang infested big city next time.

so the Mexican gangs didn't follow you?

[Samm]

i prefer my women white and my homies brown....but if you aint American...get the hell out

That's odd... My preferences are the exact opposite. ;)

But hey, that is what makes America great. :flag:

[CaptC]

They're not immigrants.

Calling these invaders who refuse to learn English, fly the Mexican flag with no American flag in sight, violate our laws with malice and aforethought and live in the shadows like vermin are NOT IMMIGRANTS.

You can toss that politically correct euphemism right in the trash.

Immigrants are people who intend to become Americans. When the first order of business is to break American law, then it's pretty clear that there's no intent to become a citizen in good standing.

Calling these outlaws "immigrants" is a slap in the face to the REAL immigrants who do play by the rules. There are millions of people who have EARNED the title of "immigrant" and it's a disservice to give such a proud title to thieves in the night.


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[CaptC]

wrong Latinos come from Spain & Portugal

quit lying billy bob

:surprised:surprised:surprised????????

Nope. People from Spain and Portugal are Europeans.

Latinos come from Mexico and Central America. Also S. Americans and Cubans consider themselves Latinos.

p.s. I ran your post through Spell Check -- guess what? You misspelled Latinos, Spain and Portugal. Want a free "education"? Just ask YOUR president!

[CaptC]

all of the prisons in united states are majortiy white
Wrong again!! The majority of convicts in America's prisons are non-white.

[Gabby]

claim this truth

for the record i moved to every major american city
like boston new york city miami new orleans houston dallas
denver portland tempe san diego oakland fresno sacremnto

& currently la

white gangs have follwed me

Good grief, do you even understand what grammer is? Do you understand how to structure a sentence with capital letters, punctuation, etc? Your writing is very hard to understand. It would help you get your ideas across.

Try using the grammer you learned in school instead of writing like a mal educato.

[CaptC]

i blame heavy metal music punk rock & grudge music

because it causes white gang members to go nuts & start shooting up places

O. K. Following your reasoning, then rap, hip-hop and "gangsta" rap cause the black gangs to go nuts and start shooting up places.

Following that same line of thought, then Mariachi music causes Latino gangs to go nuts, etc., etc.,

Get real!

[Gabby]

latinos are race

we come from spain & portgul

------------------------------------------------
La·ti·no (lə-tē'nō, lā-, lä-)
n. pl. La·ti·nos

A Latin American.
A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States. See Usage Note at Hispanic.

Definition of "latino" from www.dictionary.com
------------------------------------------------

You are not from Latin America, hence you are not a 'latino'. You are a Spaniard.

[Gabby]

latinos are race
we come from spain & portgul

i was born in spain the birthplace of the latino race & my skin is brown

so are full blooded hispanics you're thinking metizos
spain & portgul are latino countrys

so stop lying gabby

You apparently know little to nothing about the history of Spain or science.

The definitions of ‘race’ are scientific definitions. There is no race named ‘latino’. Latino is a term used to define those in the America’s who speak Spanish as their native language.

As for the racial makeup of the people of Spain… you are wrong. They are mostly European with a lot of Roman, some African, some Middle Eastern, some Greek thrown in.

If you are dark skinned Spaniard, than most likely you have some Moorish (North African Muslim) ancestry mixed with white European ancestry.

Here’s a bit of a history lesson for you. Ignorance of your own people’s history is not serving you very well.

There are three distinct ethnic groups within Spain include the Basques, Catalans, and Galicians.

The Basque people (Basque: Euskaldunak) are a group of people inhabiting adjacent areas of Spain and France.

The Catalans are principally the people from, or with origins in, Catalonia, a country currently under the dominion of the Spanish and French governments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalans

Galicians are an ethnic group or nationality whose homeland is Galicia, which is a historical region in Southwestern Europe, embracing a territory situated in the north-west of the Iberian Peninsula. This link talks about the genetic background of these people.. Western European with some Middle Eastern and Afrian genes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicians

33,000 years ago - the lands that are now the Basque Country, together with neighbouring areas such as Aquitaine and the Pyrenees, were settled by Homo sapiens, who gradually displaced the region's earlier Neanderthal population. Arriving from Central Europe, the settlers brought the Aurignacian culture with them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Basque_people

3000 BC – Iberians came from Africa, across the Mediterranean Sea to settle in Spain.

1,000 BC – Celts came to Spain from Europe across the Pyrenees Mountains in the north. After settling in Galicia, in northwest Spain, they began to raise livestock and farm the land.

1000 B.C - Phoenicians and Greeks the eastern Mediterranean came to Spain and settled along the east coast

400 B.C. - Carthaginians from northern Africa

206 B.C - Romans came to Spain to fight the Carthaginians for control of the area and imposed common laws and a single language, Latin, on most of the land. During the next 600 years, waves of Romans came to live in Spain, where they built cities, temples, outdoor theaters, roads, and aqueducts. Some of the people from Rome were Christians, while others were Jews.

400 A.D. - Visigoths tribes from northern Europe conquered the northern Iberian peninsula (Northern Spain).

711- Moors (Muslim North Africans) invaded Spain, controlling it for 800 years. They settled mainly in the southern part of the country, in a region known as Andalusia.

718-1491 – The Christians kingdoms of the northern peninsula fought a long fight to win Spain back from the Moors. This is the Reconquest. The northern kingdoms were Castile and Aragon. Remember that these northern kingdoms were largely populated by the Visigoths – northern European tribes.

[CaptC]

claim this truth

for the record i moved to every major american city
like boston
No WHITE gangs there.
new york city
No WHITE gangs
miami
No WHITE gangs
new orleans
Not enough WHITES for a gang houston
No KNOWN white gangs
dallas
No KNOWN white gangs
denver
No KNOWN gangs
portland
No KNOWN gangs
tempe
Gangs in ARIZONA? :rolleyes:
san diego
No KNOWN white gangs
oakland
CHINESE (not white) gangs
fresno
Gangs in FRESNO? :rolleyes:
sacremnto
No KNOWN white gangs
& currently la
Too many Latino and Black gangs for whites to operate.
white gangs have follwed me

Feeling a bit paranoid, are we?

[notluzn]

Wrong again!! The majority of convicts in America's prisons are non-white.

yeah, I did the research and didn't want to turn it into a race war. most are black men. But yes, there are more non-whites in prison.

[PATRIOT1871]

yeah the irish & italians gangs respected that law:rolleyes:

Yeah like the hispanic gangs really respect the law too :rolleyes:

[gdoane]

yeah, I did the research and didn't want to turn it into a race war. most are black men. But yes, there are more non-whites in prison.

Not if you count the guards and visiting lawyers.

[Phredderikk]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

So have we uncovered your true gripe here, my friend?

And yes, there would be the same outcry over millions of Canadians... or Chinese... or British... etc... this is a Sovereign Nation, and immigration requirements are necessary... if anyone breaks them, they should be incarcerated - PERIOD...

[CaptC]

Not if you count the guards and visiting lawyers.
You go, gdoane :clap:

[Frau Blucher]

wrong i'm of hispanic desenct & hispanics come from spain & portgul
just like the white man is from white europe
jews from isreal
blacks from africa


Wrong...Hispanics did not "come" from Spain and Portugal. Spaniards and Portuguese went to Central and South American and mated with the natives of those countries and created hispanics. Latino and Hispanic are not actual races, but a mix of races.

[DLaw911]

plus whites outnumber the latinosBarely!

[BrittleBullet]

Good grief, do you even understand what grammer is? Do you understand how to structure a sentence with capital letters, punctuation, etc? Your writing is very hard to understand. It would help you get your ideas across.

Try using the grammer you learned in school instead of writing like a mal educato.

Humorously, the correct spelling of grammer is grammar.
:lol:

[BrittleBullet]

Barely!

65 percent of the population compared to 8 percent.
We Hispanics still have a long way to go.

[prof8]

It's a recurring issue because the situation is bad and congress-critters like Ted Kennedy and Simpson and Mazzoli and Schumer and Specter keep proposing bills to make things much worse, instead of enacting genuine reforms.

I think most people would like to see genuine comprehensive reform of immigration law, but we're strongly divided on what constitutes reform, and even what the problems are.

The important sub-issues for me are that the USA has long been over-populated and over-crowded, and the criminal gangsters and terrorists have been allowed to enter and leave when and as often as they wish.

So, my solutions are to build the fences/walls on all 5,100 miles of border even if it's only an 8 foot high chain-link fence on the first pass, and once it's built, build them more (parallel) and better and higher, have armed DoD troops and state militia patrol the borders with orders to help the Border Patrol arrest those who do not try to evade and shoot the ones who do try to evade arrest and seize or destroy their vehicles, ditch the visa waiver program, run proper background checks on every visa applicant, cut the numbers of every kind of visa to bring them down to reasonably manageable levels (so how many and who are in the USA can be known at any time), track temporary visa grantees closely enough to escort them out when their visas expire if they have not already left (and, if necessary, air-drop them and illegal aliens with deportation orders on their countries of origin), have enough judges to hold deportation hearings promptly instead of handing out notices to appear, end federal welfare programs, reduce family re-unification in the priority scheme and restrict it to minor children and spouse (no parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, grand-parents, adult children), require at least one parent to be a US citizen to be given birthright citizenship (i.e. end the anchor baby and chain immigration scams).

If you want one of the strictly limited number of work visas, you have to be brilliant to get one -- IQ at least 160 (or equivalent), a batting average of at least 320, have pitched several no-hitters in the olympics, or a box office draw of at least $30M (to be indexed for inflation). For an unlimited O visa, you've got to have an IQ of at least 190 (or equivalent).

Same rules for every prospective guest-worker, LPR, or citizen, regardless of ethnicity or national origin/place of birth (other than USA).

[stevesou]

My solution would be to simply go after those hiring the illegals. Cut that source off and problem solved. Kinda like enforcing the drug laws. Put our $ into that and the illegals will diminish severely. Don't think we need high walls to keep them out.....rather little or no opportunities as "illegals" to make it here. imo.

[prof8]

The definitions of "race" are scientific definitions...

Not really. I get the impression most scientists have ditched the whole notion due to the fact that genetic variation within so-called racial groups is more than the genetic variation between them. A team from multiple disciplines estimated several years ago that everyone now alive has a common ancestor a mere 2K to 5K years back (though I expect they'll probably need to keep tweaking the estimates for some time due to the more isolated people, but would still be very surprised if it was further back than 8K).

On the third hand, there are some significant racial differences related to certain medical issues.

400 A.D. - Visigoths tribes from northern Europe conquered the northern Iberian peninsula (Northern Spain).


The Goths were Swedes. The best info I could find said it was believed that they originated in one family group that sailed across in only 3-5 boats in about 50CE, and then worked their way down the amber road (through Poland) to Galicia and what is now Turkey. They farmed for a while, a few hired out as mercenaries. Then pressure from others coming west pushed them into the Roman empire's territory. The History Channel says they made a deal for refuge/asylum, but were disarmed, separated and enslaved instead. So, when they got the chance, they rebelled and went rampaging on across to the Iberian peninsula.

I'm just now reading something about the Arab (and perforce Turk and Mongol) sweeps East into India and West through northern Ifriqiya to the Iberian peninsula. (Just got to the part about the founding of al-Qahira/Cairo.)

Have you read Sykes's genetic study, _7 Daughters of Eve_? Or the follow-on study in cooperation with National Geographic?

[camarozz]

:)):)):))

Good Golly! This has been the funniest thread to date.

Too obvious...

This is a troll!

[Clintville]

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves
True, unless they were from Quebec and continued to speak French.

[FidelisAdMortem]

1/3 of our prison space isn't taken up by Canadians who jumped the border and committed additional crimes.

/end of thread.

[Panhead0422]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves


I can not speak for others, but, HELL YEAH I WOULD TREAT THEM THE SAME AS I TREAT THE REST OF THE TRASH. I could not care less if the illegal ******* is purple with green polka dots, mexican, canadian, british, dominican or any other type of illegal. If they are not here legally, THEY NEED TO GO THE HELL HOME.

[Apatriot]

i mean come on there are other issues
Sure, and we obsess about them also.

As a legal immigrant, you have to go through a lot of bureacratic paperwork and hassle. My mother was one (now a citizen), and it took a while. Isn't it wrong for people to simply avoid that and come in without permission?

[Apatriot]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves
I would be even angrier, since Canada has a decent economy. I have some sympathy for Latin American immigrants, due to their tough economic conditions.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I would be even angrier, since Canada has a decent economy. I have some sympathy for Latin American immigrants, due to their tough economic conditions.

I thought this way too Apatriot...and boy was I waaaay off base. I am a native Californian. Born in Southern...live in Northern. Growing up, my parents legally helped several immigrants become citizens. Dad gave them a job, Mom taught them English and helped get their children enrolled into school. Safe to say, it would have been more cost effective to simply pay less wages under the table for illegal workers...but my parents understood that taking advantage of someone is in poor taste and devalues life. Those families that they helped were able to work and attain the American dream. How do you think they feel watching the 'welfare' sub group flow over the boarders of Latin America...not wanting to go through the work that is required to be here legally? Un-educated, base labor their only skill, looking for excuses and hand outs? ****ed..that's how they feel...don't hear much about them though do you?

Current day: Our schools, our E.R's, our county welfare offices, and our day labor jobs are filled to max capacity with illegals and their children. It's drained our states economy...and allowed some business owners to cut cost by paying little to these people in wages. They contribute nothing towards the tax burden they help to raise, and use more in services due to their supposed desperate situation then a legal worker/citizen. In a nut shell, it's screwed to say the least. And we, the land of opportunity , are to brunt the affects just because they want it and want it now? Sorry...can't tip my hat to it.

I'm surrounded by Latin American adults who REFUSE to learn the language. We are to genuflect and learn their language or be considered racists. :rolleyes: Their children end up being first and foremost translators...taking a large chunk of their childhood away from them..and are now torn between the world their parents came from to the world they are growing up in. Makes it tough for them I can tell you. The culture, which is rich and varied, is brought here and made to be 'in your face' just so everyone around you understands where it is you come from. I've yet to see German Americans, Russian Americans, Asian Americans or any other ethnicity do this. Great...you Latin American...yeah ..and ...so?

The Mexican flag? Heck..it's everywhere here. We are not in Mexico anymore folks...wanna have a home filled to the brim with your culture? Go right on ahead...the rest of us don't need to see it....tired of it having to see it by the majority of the populace. Gathering outside late at night...this seems to be a social norm for this culture...kids, adults...all outside and yakking it up till late in the evening. Loud music that is a true head ache starter is usually being played by several neighbors..doors open as they socialize...loud enough for many others to enjoy (I'm being sarcastic on the enjoyment part.) But I'm demonized when I ask them to take it elsewhere or to turn down said music? yeah..ok...it's sooo horrible here...GO HOME THEN!

On and on I could go...and most of them..here illegally. Why? they say it's the land of opportunity. O.K..good reason to relocate...but why is it being forced given to them just because they can't manage their own country? They complain about us Gringo's..I speak enough Spanish to know what they are saying about me as I walk by. I've startled a few by replying rapid fire to their comments...now I just get dirty looks. They don't like being here..but feel they have to be here...:rolleyes:...they will never give up Mexico as home..yet don't want to live there...:rolleyes:...and they really don't like us...yet will bilk us of every damn dime they can get cause were bleeding hearts American's that they can use and throw away. It's our own stupidity really...

I'm a native Californian..and I don't recognize my state, my home, anymore.

Just throwing in truth to the conversation...

~Mysty

[sisyphus]

Accommodation of illegal or immoral behavior has the 'wonderful' effect of expanding the behavior. Illegals (no matter their origin) should be expelled as soon as identified.

[Phana24JG]

i mean come on there are other issues

Yes, there are certainly other issues. However, when we have one side of the political aisle, no only ignoring the issue, but actually courting the votes of people whose very presence is breaking the damn law, we tend to get very mad.

[smyrna]

i mean come on there are other issues


i-l-l-e-g-a-l

[sisyphus]

What part of ILLEGAL is being misunderstood?
For the 'public school' types out there... it means AGAINST the law.
next step...
That means CRIMINAL.
and...
This country has the responsibility to BAR criminals entry.
finally...
Changing a name does not change the act. SEE BELOW.


Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist' Anon.

[camarozz]

ILLEGAL is not a sick bird!

[neoINDIE]

i mean come on there are other issues

Google "immigration by the numbers"

That just deals with the impact of legal immigration.

The US has its share of issues. If people in Mexico think their country sucks, fix it. Don't just run off to another country.

[gb2004]

i mean come on there are other issues

I suppose it wouldn't bother you if a bunch of strangers moved into your house and expected you to provide for them? What's the big deal, right?:rolleyes:

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I suppose it wouldn't bother you if a bunch of strangers moved into your house and expected you to provide for them? What's the big deal, right?:rolleyes:

When you turn the argument around..and prose American's illegally entering into Mexico...demanding health care, education for their children, welfare funds, housing, foods and jobs without paying anything into Mexico's dying economy...you know what you get? Firing squads! Mexico doesn't want us over there. They want to send us their welfare/poverty population that they themselves don't want! They don't want to deal with this overburdening, overwhelmingly uneducated population...so they encourage them to come here! Nice huh? There's even pamphlets that the Mexican government publishes to show this population how to cross into our country safely...and how to get funds and housing and food once here! :eek::rolleyes::wall:

Are there other issues LatinoUSA? Of course there are. Yeah..and so? What's your point? While this issue has been raging on for literally decades...we American's have been, fighting terrorism in the Middle East and around the world, Dealing with Nuclear crazy asshats in Iran, Setting up Democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq, Feeding citizens of countries who are still trying to find their footing in the modern world (read Africa, China and MEXICO), Crafting domestic policies that will forever change the face of the American mind set...and...healthcare reform. So yeah..were dealing with a lot of stuff here...not just Mexico...

When your problem solving it's best to solve as many problems as you can while you can..and Mexico's illegal immigrant's need to be dealt with ASAP! They are killing New Mexico's, Arizona's, California and Texas state economies...and it's spreading. YOU are not OUR problem to fix. You want a better life? Fine! Go Fix your own damn issues in your own damn country....we're full up here!

Either sign the guest book and be a true American Immigrant...we welcome you with loving and open arms...Sneak in the back door of my home and tell me (hell, demand of me) how you've a right to everything I have? Your gonna get a result you don't expect...anger...resentment...turning our backs and closing of our wallets to you.

That's not racist, classist or elitist..it's called honesty! Maybe your own home country could be so kind as to extend the same gesture to it's people? Corruption seems to rule supreme there...perhaps you should work on changing that instead of stealing food from our table and complaining about the service? :boohoo:

Just a thought.....:wall:

~Mysty

[TonkaTim]

i mean come on there are other issues

Well, I think the issue is really the corruption in the Mexican government. With the natural resources & potential of our southern neighbor, there is no excuse for the poverty below the Rio Grande that compels our latino friends to seek opportunity in the US. When a nations two greatest exports are its natural resources & its people something is seriously wrong.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Well, I think the issue is really the corruption in the Mexican government. With the natural resources & potential of our southern neighbor, there is no excuse for the poverty below the Rio Grande that compels our latino friends to seek opportunity in the US. When a nations two greatest exports are its natural resources & its people something is seriously wrong.

Your absolutely correct...something is horrifically wrong....corruption at all levels of national and state officials...class-ism by their own people...and a wanton disregard for their population is most certainly seriously wrong.

Mexico has been in this state of corruption for so long now, that they don't know how to undo the damage done by it. It's the people of that country that could force the necessary changes needed...which in turn, would make moot the need to flow across our boarders illegally. Will it happen? I don't know. The Mexican nationalist are a fine people...hard working...talented in so many area's...it's baffling why they are not our mirror image within the modern world. Perhaps it's the thuggery overwhelming the common man? Perhaps it's a form of apathy forced over decades and centuries of abuses of power? Who can say?

I do know this...If your here illegally and partaking from our table...then complain about the service...the PC sooth sayers won't be able to save you....the varnish is worn clean away from the PC rationals and we've simply run out of excuses for the base illegal behavior anymore.

~Mysty

[Scrap Iron]

I agree! Employers found with illegal workers should be fined enough to pay for health care reform

[DougBH]

i think the race issue if you ask me

i wonder if the right would act the same way

if bunch white people from canada came to usa in droves

I think yes, if they came from anywhere illegally. Do you think organizations like LULAC or La Raza are equally concerned about the fate of people who are here illegally from, say, Poland?

BTW, I don't often think about illegal immigration. When I do, I think the immigration laws need to be enforced, just like other laws. I'm also not obsessed with burglary laws. I do think they should be enforced, though.

[BillyBobUSA]

plus whites outnumber the latinos

Plus the vast majority of Latinos ARE WHITE.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Plus the vast majority of Latinos ARE WHITE.

Color, race, creed...none of it matters. The fact that they are illegal immigrants is. I don't care if the people of Mexico were purple with yellow polka dots! They still have to, or should be made too, sign the guest book. At least work here legally...guest worker visa's aren't all that hard to get. It's the blatant (thumbing their noses) disregard for our nations laws while hoarding as much 'freebies' as they can get their hands on that makes me just wanna scream! Top that off with the complaints of said freebie hoarders of said freebie's they received or got out of your hard earned tax dollars..and I begin to see red!

The people of Mexico are in whole, a good people. Their culture rich and beautiful and colorful. There's no reason our neighbor to the South should be an issue in our modern day society. They should be our partner..as should Canada in these uncertain and ever changing times. Instead..they are part of the problem through ego's and apathy. I swear...some never learn from history those things that would elevate them instead of bury them.

~Mysty

[BillyBobUSA]

Color, race, creed...none of it matters. The fact that they are illegal immigrants is. I don't care if the people of Mexico were purple with yellow polka dots! They still have to, or should be made too, sign the guest book. At least work here legally...guest worker visa's aren't all that hard to get. It's the blatant (thumbing their noses) disregard for our nations laws while hoarding as much 'freebies' as they can get their hands on that makes me just wanna scream! Top that off with the complaints of said freebie hoarders of said freebie's they received or got out of your hard earned tax dollars..and I begin to see red!

The people of Mexico are in whole, a good people. Their culture rich and beautiful and colorful. There's no reason our neighbor to the South should be an issue in our modern day society. They should be our partner..as should Canada in these uncertain and ever changing times. Instead..they are part of the problem through ego's and apathy. I swear...some never learn from history those things that would elevate them instead of bury them.

~Mysty

I coould not possibly agree more.

But the fact still remains that most Hispanics self-ID as white, though it varies by nation.

[BlueEyedJarhead]

About the canadians coming in droves comment...put it another way-IF a few million Americans(white black green or yellow) got up and sneaked into russia or germany-thered be an all out war.It'd be called invading and occupying.Its wierd that Iran can catch 3 students from Berkeley crossing the border, but we -with all out technology-cant keep hundreds from coming in even though they all cross the same spots. I feel that we are one of the few nations that just doesnt care about our borders.

[freemind]

Immigration is a class issue. If someone is affluent and decides they would like to go to school or work in the USA then it's not that difficult. If a poor person wants to come to the USA to work then they don't have the same options available to them.

The difference between a legal and illegal immigrant is largely one of financial worth.

[SFC(R)L]

question:

If it's illegal, how can it be immigration?

[bella-day]

Immigration is a class issue. If someone is affluent and decides they would like to go to school or work in the USA then it's not that difficult. If a poor person wants to come to the USA to work then they don't have the same options available to them.

The difference between a legal and illegal immigrant is largely one of financial worth.

Nah. It's all about the taking the time to file the right paperwork and following the legal procedure.

Name 10 countries that allow the poorest of the poor to legally immigrate into their country.

Oh and if you don't mind...post the links that prove they do allow the poorest of the poor to legally immigrate.

I think you will find that neither Mexico nor Canada accept poor people as legal immigrants.

Happy hunting. :D

[BillyBobUSA]

wrong most latinos consider themselves latinos
billy bob usa


"Latino" isnt a race, Einstein.

It is an ethnicity, like German, Italian, Slavic, etc.

That is why the census has the category "NonHispanic White" because MOST Hispanics consider themselves to be white or other.

Hispanic/Latino is not a race; they are caucasian.

[BillyBobUSA]

latinos are race

we come from spain & portgul

:lol:

Your so cute like a little kiteth that keeps eating the poopy box.

[BillyBobUSA]

Not if you count the guards and visiting lawyers.


Wait...are lawyers homo sapiens?

[BillyBobUSA]

]
white gangs are allover the united states


True, with the the top of the pyramid being the Democrat and Republican Parties.

[freemind]

Nah. It's all about the taking the time to file the right paperwork and following the legal procedure.

Name 10 countries that allow the poorest of the poor to legally immigrate into their country.

Oh and if you don't mind...post the links that prove they do allow the poorest of the poor to legally immigrate.

I think you will find that neither Mexico nor Canada accept poor people as legal immigrants.



First you say legally immigrating is only about filling out paperwork yet then you admit that no country will accept poor people. Meaning, by your own admission, that the main factor regarding immigration is one's economic status.

[DLaw911]

Nah. It's all about the taking the time to file the right paperwork and following the legal procedure.

Name 10 countries that allow the poorest of the poor to legally immigrate into their country.

Oh and if you don't mind...post the links that prove they do allow the poorest of the poor to legally immigrate.

I think you will find that neither Mexico nor Canada accept poor people as legal immigrants.

Happy hunting. :DI am not in favor of illegal entry into the US. And I doubt you are talking about illegal "immigration" but, rather, illegal presence or being "out of legal status."

Yes, an alien inside OR outside the US can apply for legalized status in many ways. He can seek a visitor, school or work visa, If he is rich he can apply as an investor. If he is 7-2 and can slam dunk he can bypass everything and get a green card. But if the person wants to legally IMMIGRATE to the US the rules change dramatically. In general there is only one way to legally immigrate to the US and that is by being petitioned by a US citizen relative. And depending on the country of origin the waits can be very long. For example, if a US citizen wants to petition for his brother to immigrate from the Philippines the wait (assuming all paperwork is completeted properly) can be 15-25 years. The closer the relationship, the shorter the wait time. For example, a marriage petition usually takes 1-2 years until the legally married spouse is allowed to enter the US. Of course, many times a visitor gets married while IN the US and then applies to adjust status based on marriage and while the green card might take years to get, the visitor is allowed to extend his or her stay pending approval.

The only other viable way to immigrate to the US is by winning a lottery in the country of origin and we all know the chances of that happening.

The exceptions, again, are for people who have lots of money and who can hire good immigration lawyers who can file immigration petitions based on how much of that money will end up helping the US economy. Money always talks.

But for Jose the Plummer living in Mexico City who has no relatives or friends in the US, and no one in the US willing to marry him, all the paperwork in the world is not going to get him lawful permanent status in the US.

[camarozz]

I am not in favor of illegal entry into the US. And I doubt you are talking about illegal "immigration" but, rather, illegal presence or being "out of legal status."

Yes, an alien inside OR outside the US can apply for legalized status in many ways. He can seek a visitor, school or work visa, If he is rich he can apply as an investor. If he is 7-2 and can slam dunk he can bypass everything and get a green card. But if the person wants to legally IMMIGRATE to the US the rules change dramatically. In general there is only one way to legally immigrate to the US and that is by being petitioned by a US citizen relative. And depending on the country of origin the waits can be very long. For example, if a US citizen wants to petition for his brother to immigrate from the Philippines the wait (assuming all paperwork is completeted properly) can be 15-25 years. The closer the relationship, the shorter the wait time. For example, a marriage petition usually takes 1-2 years until the legally married spouse is allowed to enter the US. Of course, many times a visitor gets married while IN the US and then applies to adjust status based on marriage and while the green card might take years to get, the visitor is allowed to extend his or her stay pending approval.

The only other viable way to immigrate to the US is by winning a lottery in the country of origin and we all know the chances of that happening.

The exceptions, again, are for people who have lots of money and who can hire good immigration lawyers who can file immigration petitions based on how much of that money will end up helping the US economy. Money always talks.

But for Jose the Plummer living in Mexico City who has no relatives or friends in the US, and no one in the US willing to marry him, all the paperwork in the world is not going to get him lawful permanent status in the US.

Is this a problem with you, or are you just trying to give credence or ligitimacy to an illegal alien.

I can agree that it seems to take way to long for some of these people to get citizenship, but to some degree that is the way it has to be.

Illegal is illegal and they should be sent home, especially if they end up breaking more of our laws other than just the illegal alien status.

[bella-day]

I am not in favor of illegal entry into the US. And I doubt you are talking about illegal "immigration" but, rather, illegal presence or being "out of legal status."

Yes, an alien inside OR outside the US can apply for legalized status in many ways. He can seek a visitor, school or work visa, If he is rich he can apply as an investor. If he is 7-2 and can slam dunk he can bypass everything and get a green card. But if the person wants to legally IMMIGRATE to the US the rules change dramatically. In general there is only one way to legally immigrate to the US and that is by being petitioned by a US citizen relative. And depending on the country of origin the waits can be very long. For example, if a US citizen wants to petition for his brother to immigrate from the Philippines the wait (assuming all paperwork is completeted properly) can be 15-25 years. The closer the relationship, the shorter the wait time. For example, a marriage petition usually takes 1-2 years until the legally married spouse is allowed to enter the US. Of course, many times a visitor gets married while IN the US and then applies to adjust status based on marriage and while the green card might take years to get, the visitor is allowed to extend his or her stay pending approval.

The only other viable way to immigrate to the US is by winning a lottery in the country of origin and we all know the chances of that happening.

The exceptions, again, are for people who have lots of money and who can hire good immigration lawyers who can file immigration petitions based on how much of that money will end up helping the US economy. Money always talks.

But for Jose the Plummer living in Mexico City who has no relatives or friends in the US, and no one in the US willing to marry him, all the paperwork in the world is not going to get him lawful permanent status in the US.


I'll ask you the same question I asked Freemind.

Can you name 10 countries who accept legal immigration from poor people?

I'd be interested in seeing the list.

Why would we want to allow poor people from other countries to come here to live off our tax base anyway? We have enough homegrown poor as it is...we do not need to import more.

[DLaw911]

Is this a problem with you, or are you just trying to give credence or ligitimacy to an illegal alien.

I can agree that it seems to take way to long for some of these people to get citizenship, but to some degree that is the way it has to be.

Illegal is illegal and they should be sent home, especially if they end up breaking more of our laws other than just the illegal alien status.What's your problem? I'm simply trying to comment on what another poster said (who suggested it was easy to get in the US so long as you do the paperwork). I was not offering an opinion.

Are you the class bully who likes to pick fights?
Geeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DLaw911]

I'll ask you the same question I asked Freemind.

Can you name 10 countries who accept legal immigration from poor people?

I'd be interested in seeing the list.

Why would we want to allow poor people from other countries to come here to live off our tax base anyway? We have enough homegrown poor as it is...we do not need to import more.Who cares! I have no opinion on that issue and I don't care about other countries. I already said I am opposed to illegal immigration so, WHAT, are you trying to change my mind?

[bella-day]

Who cares! I have no opinion on that issue and I don't care about other countries. I already said I am opposed to illegal immigration so, WHAT, are you trying to change my mind?


No, I'm asking you why we should import poor when we have so many in this country to care for now?

Nothing to get your panties wadded over.

[camarozz]

What's your problem? I'm simply trying to comment on what another poster said (who suggested it was easy to get in the US so long as you do the paperwork). I was not offering an opinion.

Are you the class bully who likes to pick fights?
Geeeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well... that was over the top.

I was just curious to clarify what you meant by that post, I was not trying to suggest you were a kook that thought it was ok to have illegal aliens getting a pass on filling out the paperwork to be in America legally.

You do have one thing right, I do like to pick fights... :)

[camarozz]

Who cares! I have no opinion on that issue and I don't care about other countries. I already said I am opposed to illegal immigration so, WHAT, are you trying to change my mind?

Wow... Having a bad day are we?

[DLaw911]

No, I'm asking you why we should import poor when we have so many in this country to care for now?

Nothing to get your panties wadded over.If they qualify under a PETITION for admission to the US they go through an interview process and persons who will be burdens on the US taxpayer are often times excluded.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-130.pdf

As an example my partner's family friend waited over 24 years to qualify for admission to the US from the Philippines based on a petition filed by his brother. He was 40 when the petition was filed, and when it was granted he was 64. When he was interviewed the State Department questioned him about his financial status since he immediately qualified for Social Security and Medicare and he assured them he would be working. Well that was 10 years ago and he's still working here and he's 75. But when he came here he would be considered VERY poor. It took nearly a year's savings just to be able to afford the air fare.

Keep THIS in mind while you are obsessing about immigrants. The people who made this country what it is came here without anything except the clothes on their backs. As a nation we welcome those from other nations, RICH AND POOR.

Maybe I have not checked lately, but the statement inscrbed on the Statue of Liberty has not charged ... or at least maybe it has in the minds of Republicans like so many who have been posting here:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As far as my panties in a wad let me assure you that I find is DISGUSTING that anyone would suggest that we have a financial qualification for immigrants. That SMACKS in the face of why so many people want to come here .... not only to escape political oppression, but for better jobs. Other countries might not be as welcoming to IMMIGRANTS but they sure want tourists and visitors to come and spend their hard earned money.

[DLaw911]

Well... that was over the top.

I was just curious to clarify what you meant by that post, I was not trying to suggest you were a kook that thought it was ok to have illegal aliens getting a pass on filling out the paperwork to be in America legally.

You do have one thing right, I do like to pick fights... :)Go pick your fights with someone else. What you said was plain and simple and totally unappreciated.

And it's clear you didn't bother to read what I wrote because the answer to your question is there.

And since you seem to have a lot of trouble understanding simple English let me put it in first grade language for you: I am opposed to persons entering the US illegally. I can't make it any clearer. As for paperwork since you have no idea what you're talking about it's not worth discussing except to say the paperwork starts a PROCESS. One does not get admitted by paperwork. You get an eventual interview by the filing of paperwork. Once again, this is about persons applying as IMMIGRANTS.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant so I'm not sure why you and others keep using that term. A person is an immigrant when the CIS (Citizenship and Immigration Services), formerly the INS, grants a person immigrant status. Most aliens in the US are NON-immigrants and a high percentage have no interest in becoming US citizens. Those persons include students, tourists, investory, temporary workers, and specialized workers. A lawful permanent resident (i.e. green card holder) is considered the lowest level of legal immigrant. Getting the terms right is important since "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" suggests the person ENTERED the US without inspection and that is not correct. There are literally millions of out of status immigrants in the US who came here with legal tourist, student or temporary work visas and who never returned as required to their home countries. For those from Mexico, Central and South America it's not uncommon to see them return home for visits and them come back to the US. But it's no picnic for persons from overseas nations who often times have to make a serious choice: remain in the US out-of-status and never see their family and friends again, or return home knowing they will probably never be able to return to the US again. I know plenty of people here in the US from overseas nations who are out-of-status and, therefore, unlawfully present in the US. They hear about their mothers, fathers, siblings and friends getting sick and dying and know they cannot return home. That is the price they are willing to pay to stay here in the US.

[bella-day]

If they qualify under a PETITION for admission to the US they go through an interview process and persons who will be burdens on the US taxpayer are often times excluded.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-130.pdf

As an example my partner's family friend waited over 24 years to qualify for admission to the US from the Philippines based on a petition filed by his brother. He was 40 when the petition was filed, and when it was granted he was 64. When he was interviewed the State Department questioned him about his financial status since he immediately qualified for Social Security and Medicare and he assured them he would be working. Well that was 10 years ago and he's still working here and he's 75. But when he came here he would be considered VERY poor. It took nearly a year's savings just to be able to afford the air fare.

Keep THIS in mind while you are obsessing about immigrants. The people who made this country what it is came here without anything except the clothes on their backs. As a nation we welcome those from other nations, RICH AND POOR.

Maybe I have not checked lately, but the statement inscrbed on the Statue of Liberty has not charged ... or at least maybe it has in the minds of Republicans like so many who have been posting here:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As far as my panties in a wad let me assure you that I find is DISGUSTING that anyone would suggest that we have a financial qualification for immigrants. That SMACKS in the face of why so many people want to come here .... not only to escape political oppression, but for better jobs. Other countries might not be as welcoming to IMMIGRANTS but they sure want tourists and visitors to come and spend their hard earned money.

I have no problem welcoming IMMIGRANTS that qualify as per the immigration laws of the land.

If you really, really, really want to bring poor people to this country as legal immigrants...you could always step up to plate, put your hard earned money where you mouth appears to be and sponsor them.

See...there is a way for you to do what you apparently feel is the government's part.:D

[gdoane]

Go pick your fights with someone else. What you said was plain and simple and totally unappreciated.

And it's clear you didn't bother to read what I wrote because the answer to your question is there.

And since you seem to have a lot of trouble understanding simple English let me put it in first grade language for you: I am opposed to persons entering the US illegally. I can't make it any clearer. As for paperwork since you have no idea what you're talking about it's not worth discussing except to say the paperwork starts a PROCESS. One does not get admitted by paperwork. You get an eventual interview by the filing of paperwork. Once again, this is about persons applying as IMMIGRANTS.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant so I'm not sure why you and others keep using that term. A person is an immigrant when the CIS (Citizenship and Immigration Services), formerly the INS, grants a person immigrant status. Most aliens in the US are NON-immigrants and a high percentage have no interest in becoming US citizens. Those persons include students, tourists, investory, temporary workers, and specialized workers. A lawful permanent resident (i.e. green card holder) is considered the lowest level of legal immigrant. Getting the terms right is important since "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" suggests the person ENTERED the US without inspection and that is not correct. There are literally millions of out of status immigrants in the US who came here with legal tourist, student or temporary work visas and who never returned as required to their home countries. For those from Mexico, Central and South America it's not uncommon to see them return home for visits and them come back to the US. But it's no picnic for persons from overseas nations who often times have to make a serious choice: remain in the US out-of-status and never see their family and friends again, or return home knowing they will probably never be able to return to the US again. I know plenty of people here in the US from overseas nations who are out-of-status and, therefore, unlawfully present in the US. They hear about their mothers, fathers, siblings and friends getting sick and dying and know they cannot return home. That is the price they are willing to pay to stay here in the US.

They are illegal because they are outlaws. If the law says they have to return and they don't, then that is illegal.

The first line of sovereignty is the ability to enforce a border. People who disrespect our borders and our laws should be thrown out dead or alive.

[camarozz]

Go pick your fights with someone else. What you said was plain and simple and totally unappreciated.

And it's clear you didn't bother to read what I wrote because the answer to your question is there.

And since you seem to have a lot of trouble understanding simple English let me put it in first grade language for you: I am opposed to persons entering the US illegally. I can't make it any clearer. As for paperwork since you have no idea what you're talking about it's not worth discussing except to say the paperwork starts a PROCESS. One does not get admitted by paperwork. You get an eventual interview by the filing of paperwork. Once again, this is about persons applying as IMMIGRANTS.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant so I'm not sure why you and others keep using that term. A person is an immigrant when the CIS (Citizenship and Immigration Services), formerly the INS, grants a person immigrant status. Most aliens in the US are NON-immigrants and a high percentage have no interest in becoming US citizens. Those persons include students, tourists, investory, temporary workers, and specialized workers. A lawful permanent resident (i.e. green card holder) is considered the lowest level of legal immigrant. Getting the terms right is important since "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" suggests the person ENTERED the US without inspection and that is not correct. There are literally millions of out of status immigrants in the US who came here with legal tourist, student or temporary work visas and who never returned as required to their home countries. For those from Mexico, Central and South America it's not uncommon to see them return home for visits and them come back to the US. But it's no picnic for persons from overseas nations who often times have to make a serious choice: remain in the US out-of-status and never see their family and friends again, or return home knowing they will probably never be able to return to the US again. I know plenty of people here in the US from overseas nations who are out-of-status and, therefore, unlawfully present in the US. They hear about their mothers, fathers, siblings and friends getting sick and dying and know they cannot return home. That is the price they are willing to pay to stay here in the US.

You really seem angry for some reason; granted I was misunderstanding your first post, my statement was more of a question for clarification. THAT WAS ALL...

You trying to demean me for my simple mind and the need for clarity makes you seem like a person that tries to pick fights. Im not in that mind set right now and I posted with sincerity, it was truely not meant to be picking a fight with you; you/and others will be able to tell if Im trying to pick a fight, I do not hold back and I post with an intensity that will truely contradict what you propose.

Good luck, and please try to calm down.

[BillyBobUSA]

If they qualify under a PETITION for admission to the US they go through an interview process and persons who will be burdens on the US taxpayer are often times excluded.
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-130.pdf

As an example my partner's family friend waited over 24 years to qualify for admission to the US from the Philippines based on a petition filed by his brother. He was 40 when the petition was filed, and when it was granted he was 64. When he was interviewed the State Department questioned him about his financial status since he immediately qualified for Social Security and Medicare and he assured them he would be working. Well that was 10 years ago and he's still working here and he's 75. But when he came here he would be considered VERY poor. It took nearly a year's savings just to be able to afford the air fare.

Keep THIS in mind while you are obsessing about immigrants. The people who made this country what it is came here without anything except the clothes on their backs. As a nation we welcome those from other nations, RICH AND POOR.

Maybe I have not checked lately, but the statement inscrbed on the Statue of Liberty has not charged ... or at least maybe it has in the minds of Republicans like so many who have been posting here:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

As far as my panties in a wad let me assure you that I find is DISGUSTING that anyone would suggest that we have a financial qualification for immigrants. That SMACKS in the face of why so many people want to come here .... not only to escape political oppression, but for better jobs. Other countries might not be as welcoming to IMMIGRANTS but they sure want tourists and visitors to come and spend their hard earned money.

:clap:

Not to slam on Camarozz, but that was a well written rant that I heartily agree with.

Anyone that respects our laws enough and our way of life enough to work their butt off to come here and have patience enough to wait out the elephantine processes DESERVES American citizenship and WE NEED SUCH PEOPLE since most of the rest of the country has decided it wants more toys than children.

I hope we get a hundred million immigrants a year as long as they are all legally here and respect our laws and ways of life and assimilate into the culture.

[BillyBobUSA]

They are illegal because they are outlaws. If the law says they have to return and they don't, then that is illegal.

The first line of sovereignty is the ability to enforce a border. People who disrespect our borders and our laws should be thrown out dead or alive.


Exactly.

Couldnt have said it better.

[BillyBobUSA]

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant so I'm not sure why you and others keep using that term.


I and almost every other conservative I know used to use the term 'illegal alien', which was a substitute for a slang term that was often said to be racist, though it did not apply to just one race and that group is caucasian anyway, but since when did the PC Jackboots ever bother with trying to make sense?

Anyway, then the PC Jackboots decided that 'illegal alien' was just too harsh and started accusing everyone that used that phrase of being...well, you guessed it, RACISTS.

So we all gradually went over to using the term 'illegal immigrant' liek a bunch of sheep though technically you are right, these people are not immigrants by legal category.

But again, so what? The PC Jackboots do not give a flying squireel nut what any rational person would think about its ridiculous attempts to ban some phrases implies or if it fits any facts. And then the people who generally lead, in some fashion, conservative social standards, all mosied along like a good herd of thoughtless dimwits, and what are the rest of us supposed to do except use the same terms OR GET BANNED?

Want to know why people use terms that make no sense? Dont ask us conservatives because WE GET THAT CRAP SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS BY OTHER CONSERVATIVES FOLLWOING PC RULES.

So it aint our fault. Ask them.

[gdoane]

What I think is hypocritical is that lawyers defend illegal immigrants.

If you or I faked documentation saying that we were lawyers and started taking lawyer jobs the same lawyers who defend illegal immigrants would be all about upholding the laws requiring only QUALIFIED people to work in their jobs.

Illegal alien labor is fraud. The illegal workers have no right to the money they "worked" for because their work was outside of the law, making their "pay" the fruits of a crime.

No other criminal is allowed to profit from the fruits of the crime he's committed. Restitution is often demanded of the villain. A fake lawyer would certainly have to repay any retainers and fees he has charged his duped clients. That should also be required of illegal aliens so that CRIME DOES NOT PAY.

If I showed up at a school to work as a teacher using faked credentials I'd be fried.

If I showed up at a hospital to be a doctor with a fake license I'd be fricasseed.

If I faked being a cop I'd be the one hearing "Freeze!"

So why should working illegally at any other job merit any forgiveness? Is it because professional jobs are more equal than blue collar jobs?

The punishment for coming to the USA illegally, working illegally and taking opportunity away from a LEGAL American worker is "Go Home and Take Your Money With You."

That's not the punishment for playing Doctor. That's not the punishment for impersonating a Police Officer. That's not the punishment for practicing law without a license. So why should any other job requirement like being a legal citizen or an authorized foreign worker be any different?

[Spectre]

We have all those land mines in storage.

But it would be a cryin' shame if a pronghorn antelope were to step on one.

:flag:

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

What I think is hypocritical is that lawyers defend illegal immigrants.

If you or I faked documentation saying that we were lawyers and started taking lawyer jobs the same lawyers who defend illegal immigrants would be all about upholding the laws requiring only QUALIFIED people to work in their jobs.

Illegal alien labor is fraud. The illegal workers have no right to the money they "worked" for because their work was outside of the law, making their "pay" the fruits of a crime.

No other criminal is allowed to profit from the fruits of the crime he's committed. Restitution is often demanded of the villain. A fake lawyer would certainly have to repay any retainers and fees he has charged his duped clients. That should also be required of illegal aliens so that CRIME DOES NOT PAY.

If I showed up at a school to work as a teacher using faked credentials I'd be fried.

If I showed up at a hospital to be a doctor with a fake license I'd be fricasseed.

If I faked being a cop I'd be the one hearing "Freeze!"

So why should working illegally at any other job merit any forgiveness? Is it because professional jobs are more equal than blue collar jobs?

The punishment for coming to the USA illegally, working illegally and taking opportunity away from a LEGAL American worker is "Go Home and Take Your Money With You."

That's not the punishment for playing Doctor. That's not the punishment for impersonating a Police Officer. That's not the punishment for practicing law without a license. So why should any other job requirement like being a legal citizen or an authorized foreign worker be any different?

:clap::clap: Well put Sir...well put!

I suppose many of us look at illegal's jobs as 'lower' or 'unskilled' work..and so we turn a somewhat blind eye to that nature of the work itself. However, if they were allowed too...I have no doubt the illegal's would most certainly apply for better paying jobs IF they thought they could get it without having to prove their residence status.

My point being...THEY know they are here illegally...THEY know they have to fly under the so called radar..and THEY know how to live in our country without showing up on said radar. Check Cashing places become their banks....Apartments become their homes....menial labor their jobs....they send their children to our schools and receive medical treatment at our ER's. Stay here long enough..and they begin to receive the benefits that any American citizen receives..med-i-cal, welfare, job training, higher education...you name it they get it. Many may say, where's the harm? I'll tell you where the harm is...money. Our money. Our taxes are gleaned and gutted in order to service a non legal population that is stealing right out of our coffers..and now want rights and protections. Talk about a slap in the face!

We have more then enough room to welcome anyone who wishes to come here....legally. There is no room and no money left to offer pure charity to those who wish to out right steal from us and demand from us their livelyhoods. :naughty:

~Mysty

[camarozz]

:clap:

Not to slam on Camarozz, but that was a well written rant that I heartily agree with.

Anyone that respects our laws enough and our way of life enough to work their butt off to come here and have patience enough to wait out the elephantine processes DESERVES American citizenship and WE NEED SUCH PEOPLE since most of the rest of the country has decided it wants more toys than children.

I hope we get a hundred million immigrants a year as long as they are all legally here and respect our laws and ways of life and assimilate into the culture.

No "slam" taken :) And I agree to some extent with your comment, although I disagree that they DESERVE citizenship. They should get it the way every immigrant gets in, otherwise it demeans their citizenship they worked so hard for.

I have a Chinese friend that came here as a child, they worked their butts off while working on their citizenship, if we grant illegals a pardon then all their work was in vein and worthless.

I have some GREAT neighbors, they are from Mexico, they work hard and pay their bills like anyone else; I hope they are here legally, but I will not try to find out because I like them. If they were to be here illegally I would feel bad if they are deported because of their illegal activity; But they should be deported!

[DLaw911]

What I think is hypocritical is that lawyers defend illegal immigrants. What do you mean " defend", Gene. The word is "represent" because not every person detained or brought before the immigration court is deportable. Many have perfectly valid defenses to deportation, including cancellation of removal and political asylum. I many, if not most cases, there is no defense to removal and the person is removed or is allowed to voluntarily depart.

With that I will mention a story. In 1987 a young man aged 22 was convicted of a minor crime. He was asked about his nationality and he said he was from Mexico. He only remembered living in a small village near the Rio Grande and when he was a teen ager he and his family "illegally" entered the US. He agreed to voluntarily depart and was sent back to Mexico. His family subsequently hired an immigration attorney who, by the way, is my current associate. By performing simple investigation he was able to prove that given the THEN route of the Rio Grande, his client would have been born on the US side and not the Mexico side. Thus, the US deported an American citizen who did not know better because he did not have an attorney. Ironically, I just got an invitaton to the now 34 year old former "deportee's" wedding here in the US, which never would have taken place but for the knowledgable attorney who represented him.

As you are WELL aware, a person cannot apply for political asylum until he or she ENTERS the United States. He cannot go into a forrigh embassy or consulate office and seek political asylum. They have to first get into the US by hook or crook. And once they get here, most are terrified to even apply for political asylum, expecially those from China in violation the one-child rule, out of fear of severe punishment and imprisonment if forced to return. There is also the sheer cost of hiring an immigration attorney to handle asylum applications, and "do it yourself" is always a bad idea. So they tend not to apply unless and until they are brought before the immigration court.

These are just a few examples.

...snipped...

Illegal alien labor is fraud. The illegal workers have no right to the money they "worked" for because their work was outside of the law, making their "pay" the fruits of a crime.You're probably right about that, Gene, but the government loves it when they pay FICA, state and federal withholding, Medicare and State Disability taxes, knowing they can never benefit from those "contributions" and it's money received by the government with no strings attached.

[DLaw911]

You really seem angry for some reason; granted I was misunderstanding your first post, my statement was more of a question for clarification. THAT WAS ALL...

You trying to demean me for my simple mind and the need for clarity makes you seem like a person that tries to pick fights. Im not in that mind set right now and I posted with sincerity, it was truely not meant to be picking a fight with you; you/and others will be able to tell if Im trying to pick a fight, I do not hold back and I post with an intensity that will truely contradict what you propose.

Good luck, and please try to calm down.You're wrong --- I'm not angry. I'm zealously advocating.

[DLaw911]

They are illegal because they are outlaws. If the law says they have to return and they don't, then that is illegal.

The first line of sovereignty is the ability to enforce a border. People who disrespect our borders and our laws should be thrown out dead or alive.Something definitely has to be done about our southern border. But that still does not stop the problem of persons who come here totally legally as tourists, temporary workers, and students, who overstay their visas and go out-of-status. They ARE documented (but out-of-status).

[camarozz]

You're wrong --- I'm not angry. I'm zealously advocating.

Zealously advocating for what?

My first thought is for reform of the immagration laws, which do seem to take too much time at first glance. But since I was born here and have never had any experience with the system in that respect I cannot comment on what could or could not be wrong with it.

I just know it seems highly unfair to those that have worked really hard to get citizenship to have illegals get amnesty.

[DLaw911]

Zealously advocating for what?

My first thought is for reform of the immagration laws, which do seem to take too much time at first glance. But since I was born here and have never had any experience with the system in that respect I cannot comment on what could or could not be wrong with it.

I just know it seems highly unfair to those that have worked really hard to get citizenship to have illegals get amnesty.And I agree with you wholeheartedly ... although what does amnesty have to do with citizenship? It is but a path to citizenship and, yes, it has a lot of unfairness. I know people who have temporary legal status and have been fighting for years to get a green card. They have spent tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. And along come some people who are completely out of status and suddently they get (permanent residency) what the folks I know have been legally seeking for decades AND -- the rub --- BEING LEGAL they cannot take advantage of the amnesty (if it happened). That was the case with the Reagan amnesty. People with legal status, even if it could never lead to immigrant status, were barred from applying for amnesty. And unless a person could prove permanent residency, i.e. had not set foot outside the US during the qualifying period, they were also denied.

[Kegler300]

Illegal immigration is illegal, and is costing American taxpayers billions of dollars. I'd say it is a major issue. Judging by the OP's moniker, they are hispanic, an illegal alien, both, or has friends or relatives who are illegal aliens.

[gdoane]

Something definitely has to be done about our southern border. But that still does not stop the problem of persons who come here totally legally as tourists, temporary workers, and students, who overstay their visas and go out-of-status. They ARE documented (but out-of-status).

I disagree. If a person has their drivers license expired or suspended and they're caught driving, the charge will be DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE. Not driving out of status. You're not allowed to keep driving either.

There's no good reason for not having immediate deportations. The USA has embassies everywhere. The deportation can be appealed from their home country after the immediate deportation.

[DLaw911]

I disagree. If a person has their drivers license expired or suspended and they're caught driving, the charge will be DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE. Not driving out of status. You're not allowed to keep driving either.

There's no good reason for not having immediate deportations. The USA has embassies everywhere. The deportation can be appealed from their home country after the immediate deportation.This issue sounds a lot simplier than it really is. As I asked in another thread, is a traffic officer supposed to perform an immigration check on every person who is stopped (which would be the only fair thing to do). What if the person says he's a US citizen. How is he supposed to prove it? Would that not escalate traffic stops to a higher level of danger, especially when many stops are made by a lone officer, often times on a motorcycle??

But let's get over that hurdle. Assume there IS a way to determine whether or not the person stopped for a traffic violation is a legal US resident or citizen. The officer then detains that person and ICE is called. Since that person was not seen unlawfully crossing the border the best charge possible is unlawful presence in the US. Some people have a prior deportation or are excludable due to certain criminal convictions. Those cases are much easier to deal with. But for the vast number who are not excludable and have no prior deportation they can only be summarily deported if they agree. Many have perfectly legal claims to remain in the US including cancellation of removal (most common) and political asylum.

[gdoane]

This issue sounds a lit simplier than it really is. As I asked before, is a traffic officer supposed to perform an immigration check on every person who is stopped (which would be the only fair thing to do). What if the person says he's a US citizen. How is he supposed to prove it?

Birth certificate, driver's license, voter registration card, Social Security number, College Diploma, FCC License, Employer ID and knowing most of the 911 dispatchers who could vouch for me would be how I'd go about it.

That and I don't speak with an accent.

But let's get over that hurdle. Assume there IS a way to determine whether or not the person stopped for a traffic violation is a legal US resident or citizen. The officer then detains that person and ICE is called. Since that person was not seen unlawfully crossing the border the best charge possible is unlawful presence in the US.

That's ridiculous. He should be charged with illegal crossing because there's no possible way for him to be here unless he committed that heinous act of international trespass.


Some people have a prior deportation or are excludable due to certain criminal convictions. Those cases are much easier to deal with. But for the vast number who are not excludable and have no prior deportation they can only be summarily deported if they agree. Many have perfectly legal claims to remain in the US including cancellation of removal (most common) and political asylum.

They can do all of that from their home countries. This is the 21st Century. We have the Internet now. There's nothing they can't do at home that they can't do in the USA so there's no good reason to keep 'em around. Send 'em packing!

[DLaw911]

Birth certificate, driver's license, voter registration card, Social Security number, College Diploma, FCC License, Employer ID and knowing most of the 911 dispatchers who could vouch for me would be how I'd go about it.SSN does not prove citizenship and is can be bought for $50. But what I am asking is how does a person on the street prove he is a lawful permanent resident or citizen. Who carries their birth certificate (not me --- it could never be reproduced if anything happened to it). SS card states "not for identifcation" purposes. Passport --- maybe, but who carries a big passport in their wallet and takes a risk of ID theft if it is ever lost or stolen.
That and I don't speak with an accent.So you could be an illegal Canadian.
That's ridiculous. He should be charged with illegal crossing because there's no possible way for him to be here unless he committed that heinous act of international trespass.The charging document must state the place of entry and must allege jurisdiction within the statute of limitations. Without proof of when and where the person entered it cannot be proven even by circumstantial evidence.

[NorwayCool]

No matter what side you are on, when between 5 & 10% of people in this Country are here illegally, that is a HUGE issue don't ya think?

Actually, the correct number of illegals is 99%.

You should all stop your pathetic whining and put in an effort to make it work all, or you can of course give your occupied land back to the natives, and return to where your own close historical heredity is.
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[Joeybear23]

We're not racist.
We don't want to deny entry to people.
We just want to know who you are and why you want to be here.
We want you to be subject to all the same laws that everyone in this country is subject to.
If you think that's too intrusive, then we have a problem.