It’s on: Obama takes shot at tea parties

[samurai7]

Asked about fiscal discipline and entitlements reform, Obama seemed to be repressing a smile as he jabbed critics of his spending plans.

“Those of you who are watching certain news channels on which I’m not very popular, and you see folks waving tea bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are going to cut our health care costs down over the long term, how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”

“But,” Obama continued, “let’s not play games and pretend that the reason [for the deficit] is because of the Recovery Act.”

He’s right. It’s not the stimulus that’s going to cripple the economy. As Jay Cost noted yesterday, it’s the stimulus and the bank bailouts and the Big Three rescue and health care and increased education spending and an energy overhaul and the rest of whatever he’s got planned for Great Society II, all at the same time. Even so, emphasizing Fox News’s sponsorship of the parties is a shrewd move on Obama’s part. CK MacLeod warned us the day before the protests how that could backfire; the more corporate and partisan Obama can make the parties seem, the easier they are to discredit.

There are also some videos that make the point of how Obama has already tanked the economy at the same link.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/29/its-on-obama-takes-shot-at-tea-parties/

So now you know why the constant theme from liberals has been "sponsored by Fox News" blah blah blah, no matter how little that can be true.

But, let's take this to it's illogical extreme. WHAT IF it was sponsored by Fox News.

AND other protests don't have sponsors? George Soros isn't a sponsor of left wing causes???????

How come that is never a theme to discredit them but Fox News and suddenly it's can't be legit.

It's huge double standard and that's why I wouldn't even bothering arguing the lame premise with liberals.

Instead take it to them on their own laughable double standard. There isn't much they can hang their hats on that isn't George Soros funded.

Hell I wouldn't doubt that's why a FEW OF THEM ARE HERE.

So, don't let them get away with such pompous hypocrisy. The best way to discredit a talking point, is hit back with how THAT'S A FREAKING TWO WAY STREET.

:)) :)) :))

[oldandtired]

The fact that he is the only president that I can remember that recognized and discussed publicly any media organization leads me to believe that he is too immature and too "weak" to be a president.

Interesting analogy here....:

Bush has shoes tossed at him in a foreign country and he responds with his observation that freedom of speech was in effect and a good thing.

Obama also sees freedom of speech taking place in his own country, and he ridicules it.

He is too immature and too weak to be our President.

[Gray]

The fact that he is the only president that I can remember that recognized and discussed publicly any media organization leads me to believe that he is too immature and too "weak" to be a president.
...............

He is too immature and too weak to be our President.


He lacks the wisdom to realize that his position can elevate his opponents by his recognition of them.

[mdk190]

The fact that he is the only president that I can remember that recognized and discussed publicly any media organization leads me to believe that he is too immature and too "weak" to be a president.

Interesting analogy here....:

Bush has shoes tossed at him in a foreign country and he responds with his observation that freedom of speech was in effect and a good thing.

Obama also sees freedom of speech taking place in his own country, and he ridicules it.

He is too immature and too weak to be our President.

So when conservatives mention the so called l"iberal mainstream media" they are just being weak and immature?

[Beccaria]

So when conservatives mention the so called l"iberal mainstream media" they are just being weak and immature?

Did Bush ever use that term? Just curious.

[Iggy]

I want to know where all the fiscally responsible Democrats who railed against Bush "mortgaging our childrens' future" went.

Obama was supposed to put an end to "failed Bush economic policies", but instead, he's expanded them exponentially. And the Democrats who (rightfully) attacked Bush for his out of control spending are giving a thumbs up to Obama's.

[oldandtired]

So when conservatives mention the so called l"iberal mainstream media" they are just being weak and immature?

Any conservative who complains about the mainstream media, such as myself, is too weak and immature to be president of the greatest country in the world...yes.

You need to be VERY thick skinned to be President.

LOL...you sound like Obama himself...

"they were all on the board with Ayers...so why cant I be?"

Answer...

"they are not running for President of the United States *******!"

[Iggy]

So when conservatives mention the so called l"iberal mainstream media" they are just being weak and immature?

Deflection.

[Gray]

So when conservatives mention the so called l"iberal mainstream media" they are just being weak and immature?

Bush was annoyingly consistent in his lack of response or criticism of the press.

[oldandtired]

Bush was annoyingly consistent in his lack of response or criticism of the press.

Annoying yes....but it showed true grit and character....qualities I like in a President.

100 days and Obama has whined about Rush and Hannity...

...and he actually ridiculed Americans exercising their right to freedom of speech.

Oh...but he is a great man. I forgot.

[firediver]

Isn't it kind of funny that the COIC is mocking a community organization? Doesn't he appreciate people taking an active interest in government or is that pesky First Ammendment just another thing he wants changed in the constitution.

[Gray]

Annoying yes....but it showed true grit and character....qualities I like in a President.

100 days and Obama has whined about Rush and Hannity...

...and he actually ridiculed Americans exercising their right to freedom of speech.

Oh...but he is a great man. I forgot.


Whether it be foreign policy or domestic, This dip**** does not realize that he empowers his opponents by his calling them out.

[LJ14]

This guy has NO CLUE as to how snooty and childish he sounded in that clip. I've heard it over and over, and every time I hear it, I'm struck anew by his arrogance.

AND... he lied again. :rolleyes:
He's not "happy to have a serious conversation" about any of this. He had that opportunity last night when he bored the American people through two million dollars worth of network air time. He's got a standing invitation with Hannity and every other Fox News anchor any time he wants it. But no, he'd rather jeer from the sidelines.

This is a guy who's willing to sit down with every penny-ante dictator on the planet, but is too chicken**** to actually have that "serious conversation" he claims to want, not with Fox, not with us, not even with Congress. Instead, he's going to forcefeed us his crap sandwich of an agenda by neutering our elected representatives with "reconciliation".

He got his 'widdle feewings' hurt by the tea parties? :((... he needs to GROW UP. It's obvious that he didn't get the message the first time, which only means that we need to get out there and do it even BIGGER on July 4th.

[mdk190]

Bush was annoyingly consistent in his lack of response or criticism of the press.

He had his minions and his masters at talk radio to do that for him.

[Gray]

He had his minions and his masters at talk radio to do that for him.

Wow, you are getting boring really fast.

[muhadeeb99]

The fact that he is the only president that I can remember that recognized and discussed publicly any media organization leads me to believe that he is too immature and too "weak" to be a president.

Interesting analogy here....:

Bush has shoes tossed at him in a foreign country and he responds with his observation that freedom of speech was in effect and a good thing.

Obama also sees freedom of speech taking place in his own country, and he ridicules it.

He is too immature and too weak to be our President.


Spot on!

[mdk190]

Wow, you are getting boring really fast.

This thread is for partisan stooges. Any chance to take shots at Obama and the right comes running. :rolleyes:

[Stricken]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken

[Iggy]

This thread is for partisan stooges. Any chance to take shots at Obama and the right comes running. :rolleyes:
Well, when no one will step up here and refute the OP and, instead, spouts one-liners that are nothing other than deflections, then it will inevitably be nothing but a chance to take shots.

[ModerateVoice]

The fact that he is the only president that I can remember that recognized and discussed publicly any media organization leads me to believe that he is too immature and too "weak" to be a president.

Interesting analogy here....:

Bush has shoes tossed at him in a foreign country and he responds with his observation that freedom of speech was in effect and a good thing.

Obama also sees freedom of speech taking place in his own country, and he ridicules it.

He is too immature and too weak to be our President.

Those are all excellent points!

[oldandtired]

This thread is for partisan stooges. Any chance to take shots at Obama and the right comes running. :rolleyes:

Wow...thats the best defense you have for Obama?

You sound just like him. No wonder you support him.

Pathetic.

[muhadeeb99]

This guy has NO CLUE as to how snooty and childish he sounded in that clip. I've heard it over and over, and every time I hear it, I'm struck anew by his arrogance.

AND... he lied again. :rolleyes:
He's not "happy to have a serious conversation" about any of this. He had that opportunity last night when he bored the American people through two million dollars worth of network air time. He's got a standing invitation with Hannity and every other Fox News anchor any time he wants it. But no, he'd rather jeer from the sidelines.

This is a guy who's willing to sit down with every penny-ante dictator on the planet, but is too chicken**** to actually have that "serious conversation" he claims to want, not with Fox, not with us, not even with Congress. Instead, he's going to forcefeed us his crap sandwich of an agenda by neutering our elected representatives with "reconciliation".

He got his 'widdle feewings' hurt by the tea parties? :((... he needs to GROW UP. It's obvious that he didn't get the message the first time, which only means that we need to get out there and do it even BIGGER on July 4th.


There needs to be a challenge made by a well liked and respected individual to counteract his misplaced ideologies.

[Gray]

This thread is for partisan stooges.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[tjvh]

So when conservatives mention the so called l"iberal mainstream media" they are just being weak and immature?

So much for your hero UNITING America.:)):)):))

[Gray]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken

That is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Talk about letting your hatred blind you.

[oldandtired]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken

Sure...you can look at it that way if you wish.

So I guess we can also say that Obama has never robbed a bank becuase he was unable to purchase a gun.

Is that the best you have?

[Beccaria]

He had his minions and his masters at talk radio to do that for him.

You mean the same talk radio people who were slammed for disagreeing with Bush on several issues like amnesty, bailouts, and increased spending? You mean like Rush Limbaugh and others who were told essentially to shut up about their criticisms of Bush's left-leaning on items because it would "disrupt the unity of the party"? Like when conservatives called Aren Specter, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, and John McCain on the carpet for not siding with conservatism on issues?

You mean those "minions"?

You have a strange definition of minion and master.

[Iggy]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken

No. You never heard Bush take on his detractors because he was a leader. Leaders don't roll around in the mud. Clinton didn't do it. Bush 41 didn't do it. Reagan didn't do it. I dare say you'd be hard pressed to find any American President of the past who was so willing as n00bama to stoop to bickering with pundits and partisan back-handed slaps at his critics.

We're definitely dealing with "change" here.

[mdk190]

Wow...thats the best defense you have for Obama?

You sound just like him. No wonder you support him.

Pathetic.

Your right. Fox News isn't bed with the GOP and has never done anything to push the conservative agenda. Never. :rolleyes: Almost every show on Fox pimped the Tea Parties, Fox may not have sponsored these event but by the way the were pushing them it was hard to tell the difference.

[oldandtired]

Your right. Fox News isn't bed with the GOP and has never done anything to push the conservative agenda. Never. :rolleyes: Almost every show on Fox pimped the Tea Parties, Fox may not have sponsored these event but by the way the were pushing them it was hard to tell the difference.

uhhh....please tell me....what does this have to do with anything at all?

Another deflection at best is how I see it.

[muhadeeb99]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken
Bush wasn't too arrogant. Wisdom and grace kicked in like a seasoned politician.

[Beccaria]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken

Takes one to know one.

To quote C.S. Lewis "Pride is a competitive thing; the more pride one has, the more one sees pride in others."

[Trip]

This thread is for partisan stooges. Any chance to take shots at Obama and the right comes running. :rolleyes:

Naaaa!......

Too much demand to have to come a runnin'!

[Stricken]

That is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Talk about letting your hatred blind you.

If it's so dumb I suppose you'd be able to refute it pretty quickly. Find me one instance where Bush admitted to making a mistake.

Stricken

[Stricken]

Your right. Fox News isn't bed with the GOP and has never done anything to push the conservative agenda. Never. :rolleyes: Almost every show on Fox pimped the Tea Parties, Fox may not have sponsored these event but by the way the were pushing them it was hard to tell the difference.

Yeah...those cleverly disguised show promos as "Tea Party" ads were so hard to pick out. :rolleyes: :whistle:

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[Iggy]

If it's so dumb I suppose you'd be able to refute it pretty quickly. Find me one instance where Bush admitted to making a mistake.

Stricken
Has nothing to do with the conversation. Deflection.

[LJ14]

There needs to be a challenge made by a well liked and respected individual to counteract his misplaced ideologies.

I changed channels during a commercial break on Hannity last night and caught two minutes of Rachel Maddow and Ed Shultz. Literally, that's as long as I lasted... two minutes. And I'm surprised I didn't end up in a diabetic coma from my exposure to the sugary-sweet Obama Lovefest. :eek:

Unfortunately, the only thing they're going to listen to is overwhelming numbers. People in the streets, peacefully protesting in numbers they can no longer deny. I don't believe any single individual, no matter how big their bullhorn, would get through the bias of the mainstream media, (not that Rachel Maddow is even close to "mainstream" :)) ).
It's too easy for them to attack and defame one person, same way they did Sarah Palin or Joe the Plumber.

[oldandtired]

If it's so dumb I suppose you'd be able to refute it pretty quickly. Find me one instance where Bush admitted to making a mistake.

Stricken

Lets see....

Ayers...I did not know
Wright...I did not know
Geitner tax issues...he did not know
AIG bonus...I did not know
AF-1 photo op...I did not know

Hmmm.....when exactly did Obama admit mistakes?

Leaders do not need to admit mistakes...they need to rationalize why THEY MADE mistakes...Obama simply blames others.

You like that better?

[Stricken]

Has nothing to do with the conversation. Deflection.

If you would care to make a point....I'd be happy to poke holes in it for ya. :))

Stricken

[Stricken]

Lets see....

Ayers...I did not know
Wright...I did not know
Geitner tax issues...he did not know
AIG bonus...I did not know
AF-1 photo op...I did not know

Hmmm.....when exactly did Obama admit mistakes?

Leaders do not need to admit mistakes...they need to rationalize why THEY MADE mistakes...Obama simply blames others.

You like that better?


Obama Admits 'Mistake' in Handling of Daschle Nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/03/obama-admits-mistake-handling-daschle-nomination/

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[Iggy]

If you would care to make a point....I'd be happy to poke holes in it for ya. :))

Stricken

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[oldandtired]

Obama Admits 'Mistake' in Handling of Daschle Nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/03/obama-admits-mistake-handling-daschle-nomination/

Stricken

lmao...I knew that was the only one you would come up with.

What else could he have done but admit that one? His back was against the wall. He had no one to blame...even the times and CNN called him on it....

Jeez.....you are really grasping for straws.

Wisen up stricken.....he aint the God you all thought he was. Open your eyes. You guys were wrong. Its OK......just admit it and help us keep our country great before it is too late.

[Stricken]

No. You never heard Bush take on his detractors because he was a leader. Leaders don't roll around in the mud. Clinton didn't do it. Bush 41 didn't do it. Reagan didn't do it. I dare say you'd be hard pressed to find any American President of the past who was so willing as n00bama to stoop to bickering with pundits and partisan back-handed slaps at his critics.

We're definitely dealing with "change" here.

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take your critics head on?

Stricken

[Mojotiger]

Wisen up stricken.....he aint the God you all thought he was.

No, I'm pretty sure he still thinks he's God.

[Mohawk5]

We have a child running our nation.

I am surprised he did not jump up and spike the mic on the table and do and end zone dance while yelling "I won, I won, I won!"

[oldandtired]

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take on your critics head on?

Stricken

Oh...sign of the times.....mudslinging....there was NONE during Bush's 8 years.

Do you have children? I do....I taught them to ignore those that poke fun at you.

But you see it as a sign of character to lash back and call them "names"...

LMAO...you really need to re-evaluate what defines a person with character....trust me...one that lashes back at a critic by simply attempting to ruion the credibility of the critic is not one with character.

Now, if he offered a critic an opportunity for debate...THAT is character.

But to simply say..."yeah, those cable guys are something else"....that does not take character...that takes cowardice

[oldandtired]

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take your critics head on?

Stricken


Interesting...exactly when did he take his critics head on as you claim?

Really...can you tell me when?

Discrediting a critic is easy if the critic can not respond. Debating a critic takes a man with grit, character and confidence.

[Achilles]

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take your critics head on?

Stricken

Didn't Obama criticize Rush, Rush challenged him to a debate, and he ignored it? Would that not be a perfect opportunity to take the "leader of the Republican party" head on and face his critics? You are so partisan that honest debate with you would be a farce. Go back to studying for your finals.

[Achilles]

Interesting...exactly when did he take his critics head on as you claim?

Really...can you tell me when?

Anyone who denies any mudslinger during the last 8 years is disconnected with reality.

[oldandtired]

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take your critics head on?

Stricken

Stricken....no joke...I like your thinking.

However, you are applying your thinking to a man that has not done what youy seem to believe he has done...

You need to look past you partisnaness...and really see if he has done what you think.

You will be disappointed......look at your responses......you know greatness....but look at Obama....has he truly met your definition of greatness?

[Achilles]

If it's so dumb I suppose you'd be able to refute it pretty quickly. Find me one instance where Bush admitted to making a mistake.

Stricken

Bush Admits Mistakes in Iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/24/AR2006042400850.html

So there ya have it, your point was indeed dumb. Big surprise.

[tjvh]

We have a child running our nation.

I am surprised he did not jump up and spike the mic on the table and do and end zone dance while yelling "I won, I won, I won!"

The teleprompter doesn't have that sort of emotion.

[Achilles]

The teleprompter doesn't have that sort of emotion.

I believe it was Rahm that did the gloating if I remember correctly.

[Trinka]

Perhaps is O really wanted to take on his critics he might have showed up at a tea party and listened.........

Instead he goes on tv and throws snide remarks at them.....

I don't see that as taking "on" anything...it's childish at best

[Stricken]

lmao...I knew that was the only one you would come up with.

What else could he have done but admit that one? His back was against the wall. He had no one to blame...even the times and CNN called him on it....

Jeez.....you are really grasping for straws.

Wisen up stricken.....he aint the God you all thought he was. Open your eyes. You guys were wrong. Its OK......just admit it and help us keep our country great before it is too late.

Glad I'm entertaining you OT. Still waiting for an admission of a mistake by Bush though.

Obama has also shown willingness to comprise and in fact change his mind after debate of critical issues such as the privitization of VA care for injuries. Something that everyone thought was a done deal. He met with the several verterans organizations and did reverse his previous position. Show me one time where Bush was willing to make compromise or change his position on anything.

Wisen up stricken.....he aint the God you all thought he was. Open your eyes. You guys were wrong. Its OK......just admit it and help us keep our country great before it is too late.

Never though he was. I know who my God is thank you. Sorry but you are the one that is mistaken. Obama was the best choice in this past election cycle. And after all the spinning around here, he has done a pretty good job to this point. I would give him a "B" grade for his first 100 days simply because I disagreed with some of his appointments. Still light years above the past 8 years though.

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[Trinka]

Grrrrrrrrr...Bush is so gone! Not in office any more.......Obama is there NOW....it's his watch...get over Bush already!

[LJ14]

Oh...sign of the times.....mudslinging....there was NONE during Bush's 8 years.

Do you have children? I do....I taught them to ignore those that poke fun at you.

But you see it as a sign of character to lash back and call them "names"...

LMAO...you really need to re-evaluate what defines a person with character....trust me...one that lashes back at a critic by simply attempting to ruion the credibility of the critic is not one with character.

Now, if he offered a critic an opportunity for debate...THAT is character.

But to simply say..."yeah, those cable guys are something else"....that does not take character...that takes cowardice

The wailing and gnashing of teeth over these tea parties is a constant source of amusement. From their King all the way down, the left has it's collective panties in a bunch. :))

They thought Obama's election was the end of it, that the valid REASONS so many people had for voting against him didn't really exist. They bought into their own propaganda and believed we had some sort of personal problem with the guy, dismissing out of hand a vast chasm of legitimate ideological differences.

Now they're all shocked and surprised, still clinging to their pathetic memes. If you ask me, it's the challenge to their alternate version of reality that makes them behave with such nastiness and venom.

[Achilles]

Glad I'm entertaining you OT. Still waiting for an admission of a mistake by Bush though.

Post 51

Obama has also shown willingness to comprise and in fact change his mind after debate of critical issues such as the privitization of VA care for injuries.

So reconcilliation is not required for certain issues?

Never though he was. I know who my God is thank you. Sorry but you are the one that is mistaken. Obama was the best choice in this past election cycle. And after all the spinning around here, he has done a pretty good job to this point. I would give him a "B" grade for his first 100 days simply because I disagreed with some of his appointments. Still light years above the past 8 years though.

Stricken

Drop the hate. After 8 years if he keeps us safe and the dow is over 14k, I'll give him a high grade. He has done nothing so far but deficit spending and borderline facism.

[oldandtired]

Glad I'm entertaining you OT. Still waiting for an admission of a mistake by Bush though.

Obama has also shown willingness to comprise and in fact change his mind after debate of critical issues such as the privitization of VA care for injuries. Something that everyone thought was a done deal. He met with the several verterans organizations and did reverse his previous position. Show me one time where Bush was willing to make compromise or change his position on anything.



Never though he was. I know who my God is thank you. Sorry but you are the one that is mistaken. Obama was the best choice in this past election cycle. And after all the spinning around here, he has done a pretty good job to this point. I would give him a "B" grade for his first 100 days simply because I disagreed with some of his appointments. Still light years above the past 8 years though.

Stricken

Curious....

Do you feel that a man who takes from peter and gives to paul is a great man?

Should peter be seen as evil or as one taking on the burden to help paul?

Have you heard Obama yet remind Americans that it is not HIM, but PETER that is taking on the burden to help[ paul?

Have you heard Obama criticize Biden and Pelosi and Schumer for calling peter unpatriotic for voicing his concern about being forced to help paul?

THAT takes a great man with character, Noit simply taking from peter, give it to paul...and then take all the credit for helpinbg paul.

Any moron with a pen and authority can force peter to help paul.

But you see it as GREAT.

By the way...I have used this argumnent a couple of times....and it seems to kill threads. Liberals refuse to address this point.

Why is that?

[Iggy]

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take your critics head on?

Stricken

I understand this line of thinking. Back when I was a Bush supporter, I was always frustrated that Bush didn't respond to his critics. But when you look at any previous Presidents, you can see that their ability to ignore the rancor aimed at them was one of the things that made them Presidential. It gave them an air of importance and class. They were "presidential" even if you disagreed with them.

Obama, if he were smart, would follow that example. He'd shrug off his critics, shake his head and laugh or roll his eyes like they were just an annoyance and move on with his agenda. That little effort is what relegates the nay-sayers to obscurity, making them look petty and unimportant. By constantly being defensive and bickering with them, Obama is elevating them in importance, putting them on an even playing field with himself.

The office of the President of the United States is supposed to be above such things.

[oldandtired]

Curious....

Do you feel that a man who takes from peter and gives to paul is a great man?

Should peter be seen as evil or as one taking on the burden to help paul?

Have you heard Obama yet remind Americans that it is not HIM, but PETER that is taking on the burden to help[ paul?

Have you heard Obama criticize Biden and Pelosi and Schumer for calling peter unpatriotic for voicing his concern about being forced to help paul?

THAT takes a great man with character, Noit simply taking from peter, give it to paul...and then take all the credit for helpinbg paul.

Any moron with a pen and authority can force peter to help paul.

But you see it as GREAT.

By the way...I have used this argumnent a couple of times....and it seems to kill threads. Liberals refuse to address this point.

Why is that?

Please respond Stricken...

Have you yet heard Obama, with all of his public events....yet remind AMericans that is is just his idea and his pen....but it is 5% of Americans that are taking on the financial burden to help this country (according to hios philosophy).

Do you not feel such would be appropriate?

Why is it that his ratings go up but public sentiment about the top 5% has gone down? Most of that 5% are not evil deceiving business people you know.

[Stricken]

Drop the hate. After 8 years if he keeps us safe and the dow is over 14k, I'll give him a high grade. He has done nothing so far but deficit spending and borderline facism.

Your delusional if you believe you were safe over the past 8 years. Just because there wasn't another attack doesn't mean that it was because of anything Bush did or didn't do. The dow being over 14k in an inflated bubble that Bush helped perpetuate is NOT something to be bragging about either. Neither is whining about the deficit spending that is necessary to prevent another great depression in defense of Mr. 22%.

Stricken

[samurai7]

No. You never heard Bush take on his detractors because he was a leader. Leaders don't roll around in the mud. Clinton didn't do it. Bush 41 didn't do it. Reagan didn't do it. I dare say you'd be hard pressed to find any American President of the past who was so willing as n00bama to stoop to bickering with pundits and partisan back-handed slaps at his critics.

We're definitely dealing with "change" here.

Yeah, I, like a lot of Republicans used to get very frustrated with how Bush would never take on his critics. But that was part of the class of the man. (Class is something liberals NEVER understand :rolleyes: )

He didn't feel the presidency should be a bully pulpit. But I think that's part of why his ratings went so low. His critics were just allowed to reign supreme.

Obama is however, the EXACT OPPOSITE. Like Clinton, he is a big baby who doesn't accept people have a right to disagree with him, and he intends to demonize and demagogue anyone that does disagree.

There could not be a more illustrative contrast, than between Bush and Obama.

:rolleyes:

[timjy]

Your delusional if you believe you were safe over the past 8 years. Just because there wasn't another attack doesn't mean that it was because of anything Bush did or didn't do. The dow being over 14k in an inflated bubble that Bush helped perpetuate is NOT something to be bragging about either. Neither is whining about the deficit spending that is necessary to prevent another great depression in defense of Mr. 22%.

Stricken
What stopped other attacks .Why is 12 trillion in spending necessary?.
My opinion is bush policies saved us a lot of grief and tax cuts would have worked better.

[AvgGuyIA]

I'd like to see the Kenyan show up at the next Tea party for some meaningful dialog.

[Achilles]

Your delusional if you believe you were safe over the past 8 years. Just because there wasn't another attack doesn't mean that it was because of anything Bush did or didn't do.

1.) You cannot prove what he did made me less safe.
2.) I have been safe for the past 8 years.

You are delusional my friend.

The dow being over 14k in an inflated bubble that Bush helped perpetuate is NOT something to be bragging about either. Neither is whining about the deficit spending that is necessary to prevent another great depression in defense of Mr. 22%.

Stricken

That deflated bubble helped me make money on my investments. I am sure Obama printing money and spending trillions will do nothing to cause any type of inflation whatsoever. Anyone who believes deficit spending is required to get out of a depression is misguided.

[oldandtired]

Your delusional if you believe you were safe over the past 8 years. Just because there wasn't another attack doesn't mean that it was because of anything Bush did or didn't do. The dow being over 14k in an inflated bubble that Bush helped perpetuate is NOT something to be bragging about either. Neither is whining about the deficit spending that is necessary to prevent another great depression in defense of Mr. 22%.

Stricken

I guess based on your logic....we will never be able to know if the trillion dollar stimulus package will be what takes us out of the recession......

I can say one thing for sure....8 years and no attack.....yet there were attacks on multiple targets pretty much every year prior dating back to 93......I guess we can assume Al-quaeda was simply on vacation for the past 8 years. Yeah...that must be it.

See how you are clouded? Cant you see it? You seem intelligent...yet you rationalize good things as "no evidence"....

Still have not responded to my "take from peter to pay paul" thing.

Why is that?

[samurai7]

Your right. Fox News isn't bed with the GOP and has never done anything to push the conservative agenda. Never. :rolleyes: Almost every show on Fox pimped the Tea Parties, Fox may not have sponsored these event but by the way the were pushing them it was hard to tell the difference.

You're right. You aren't ignoring the laughable obvious how THE REST OF THE FREAKING MEDIA/NEWSPAPERS/CABLE NETWORKS ETC, ARE IN BED WITH OBAMA????????????

:)) :)) :))

AND THEN YOU WHINE ABOUT FOX?????????????

Are you just trying to make me laugh until I cry or something??????????? Because if you aren't, you sure seem like it.

:))

[Stricken]

Please respond Stricken...

Have you yet heard Obama, with all of his public events....yet remind AMericans that is is just his idea and his pen....but it is 5% of Americans that are taking on the financial burden to help this country (according to hios philosophy).

Do you not feel such would be appropriate?

Why is it that his ratings go up but public sentiment about the top 5% has gone down? Most of that 5% are not evil deceiving business people you know.

As I stated before OT, I am a small business owner and one of those 5%. So in essence, my support does mean that at some point my taxes will increase. I have been blessed with great fortune and being required to pay it forward for the improvement of our country doesn't bother me one bit. My life and business isn't going to change at all because I planned for it. You see, I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk too.

Stricken

[Achilles]

Post 51



So reconcilliation is not required for certain issues?



Drop the hate. After 8 years if he keeps us safe and the dow is over 14k, I'll give him a high grade. He has done nothing so far but deficit spending and borderline facism.

Stricken you have seemed to skip this post of mine, please respond.

[samurai7]

uhhh....please tell me....what does this have to do with anything at all?

Another deflection at best is how I see it.

Also funny AS ALL HELL, considering how the rest of the media is in bed with Obama and the Democrat party.

I mean PLEASE! Are liberals trying to be funny with this???????????

Liberals need to go back to Moveon/HuffPo/DNC and get better talking points than this.

If liberals are getting paid by the DNC/whatever to say lame stuff like this, those liberals are OVERPAID! :))

[samurai7]

You never heard Bush criticize the media because he was too arrogant to care. His ego wouldn't allow him to admit he made mistakes.

Stricken

:))

That's like saying "The reason they guy was so humble is he was too arrogant to act more pompous."

Do Liberals get dizzy from all that spin?????

:))

Man liberals need to get casualty pay for this kind of spin. It could be dangerous! :eek:

:)) :))

[Stricken]

:))

That's like saying "The reason they guy was so humble is he was too arrogant to act more pompous."

Do Liberals get dizzy from all that spin?????

:))

Man liberals need to get casualty pay for this kind of spin. It could be dangerous! :eek:

:)) :))

No the casualty pay should come from reading your smile filled all caps rants. :whistle:

[samurai7]

He had his minions and his masters at talk radio to do that for him.

Yeah that explains why they hammered Bush over going with Ted Kennedy over the Education Bill, being against Amnesty and so on.

They were just mouthpieces for Bush. :rolleyes:

Yeah, can you show us the talk radio celebrations of Bush's first 100 days?

:)) :))

[samurai7]

This thread is for partisan stooges. Any chance to take shots at Obama and the right comes running. :rolleyes:

AW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor wittle wibberals think the most powerful man in the world is getting picked on! Oh boo freaking hoo hoo hoo.

Yeah liberals NEVER piled on Bush right????????????

HUGELY HYPOCRITE MUCH??????????????

:)) :)) :))

[oldandtired]

As I stated before OT, I am a small business owner and one of those 5%. So in essence, my support does mean that at some point my taxes will increase. I have been blessed with great fortune and being required to pay it forward for the improvement of our country doesn't bother me one bit. My life and business isn't going to change at all because I planned for it. You see, I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk too.

Stricken

I understand...and I too am in that 5% and I too am ok with it as I am a law abiding citizen.,....


But you defelcted the question.

Doies it not concern you that his ratings go up as he takes credfit and not once has he reminded AMericans that it is the 5% that are bearing the burden and the pain?

Do you not feel that it is his responsibility as a uniter to remind Americans of thius....especially since he has acknowledged the fact that public sentiment about folks like you and I is actually going the other way?

What is it that he has done that warrants him getting credit for it?...and gladly accepting credit for it?

[oldandtired]

AW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor wittle wibberals think the most powerful man in the world is getting picked on! Oh boo freaking hoo hoo hoo.

Yeah liberals NEVER piled on Bush right????????????

HUGELY HYPOCRITE MUCH??????????????

:)) :)) :))

They whine and whimper when he is criticized becuse Obama whines and whimpers when he is criticized.

They simply follow his lead.

[samurai7]

Well, when no one will step up here and refute the OP and, instead, spouts one-liners that are nothing other than deflections, then it will inevitably be nothing but a chance to take shots.

Of course they aren't. I told you guys in the op what they were going to do.

They were going to spout the same tired old crap about it being some conspiracy from Fox News,

WHILE THEY IGNORE THEIR OWN GEORGE SOROS FUNDED PARTS OF THE LIBERAL AGENDA.

Liberals were always good for hugely pompous hypocrisy.

:)) :)) :))

I wouldn't doubt for one minute there is a few of them that are here solely because they get paid from those same funds. I mean they have to be. :shifty:

I mean they have to be. How else do they recite so perfectly the SAME STUPID TALKING POINTS. :)) I mean the alternative would be too sad to consider. That they are all that mindless and just recite whatever they are told in the liberal media/etc. That would be pathetic. :))

:))

[Stricken]

Post 51

You got me with that one. Point for you!

So reconcilliation is not required for certain issues?

I assume you are talking about he current health care reform. I really don't care how it gets done, just that it does. If the Republican party hadn't spent the last 3 months being the party of "no" they could be helping shape this legislation. Instead, they have choosen to be obstructionists. They made their bed and now they will have to lie in it.

Stricken

[samurai7]

If it's so dumb I suppose you'd be able to refute it pretty quickly. Find me one instance where Bush admitted to making a mistake.

Stricken

:)) Boy liberals are still chafing Bush wouldn't give them that talking point, aren't they?

:)) :)) :))

[samurai7]

Yeah...those cleverly disguised show promos as "Tea Party" ads were so hard to pick out. :rolleyes: :whistle:

Stricken

You mean like all the liberal media covering Obama's 100 day gala??????????

Hypocrite much???????????

:)) :))

[samurai7]

If you would care to make a point....I'd be happy to poke holes in it for ya. :))

Stricken

Poking holes in what Iggy says. :)) :))

Cut it out, you're killing me! :)) :))

[samurai7]

Obama Admits 'Mistake' in Handling of Daschle Nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/03/obama-admits-mistake-handling-daschle-nomination/

Stricken

:))

Gee you mean it's unfair that Bush didn't do anything like that BECAUSE HE DIDN'T NOMINATE SO MANY TAX CHEATS???????????????????

:)) :)) :))

Darn that Bush for being more honest than Obama!!!!!!!

:)) :))

[samurai7]

I would agree that you wouldn't be likely to find a past President that has been so forthright in confronting his critics. It's a sign of the times though with the constant mudslinging that goes on. Where you see it as a sign of weakness, I see it as a refreshing change in attitude in the oval office. Why not take your critics head on?

Stricken

Because he's THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He's supposed to be president OF ALL THE PEOPLE. Including those at the tea parties.

He's not supposed to see himself as the head of the DNC leading a party, BUT A NATION.

I don't expect liberals to understand that. That takes class and seeing beyond one's own selfish interersts. Liberals have never done that.

Bush was able to do this. Maybe that's one of the reasons liberals hated him so much. He made their presidents look so bad and so small by comparison.

It's sure one of the reasons liberals hated Reagan. :rolleyes:

[oldandtired]

Stricken.....

I am truly curious how you feel about it...

Obama is aware that public sentiment of the top 5% is going down.

Would it not be wise to remind Americans that most of the 5% are NOT the evil business men...and are actually bearing the financial burden of helping America?

Wpouldn't you see that as not only a way to "unite" but also a way to make us feel a little more as part of the program?

DOes it not bother you when people give him credit and in the same breath refer to you and me as evil and greedy?

Shouldnt a Presidnet not allow the people to blame the blameless?

[oldandtired]

Because he's THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He's supposed to be president OF ALL THE PEOPLE. Including those at the tea parties.

He's not supposed to see himself as the head of the DNC leading a party, BUT A NATION.

I don't expect liberals to understand that. That takes class and seeing beyond one's own selfish interersts. Liberals have never done that.

Bush was able to do this. Maybe that's one of the reasons liberals hated him so much. He made their presidents look so bad and so small by comparison.

It's sure one of the reasons liberals hated Reagan. :rolleyes:


Been saying this for a couple of days....since he hit the campaign trail he has not yet spoken to me. He has referred to me and he has allowed his supporters and Veep claim I am not patriotic unless I get with the program....but he never ONCE spoke to me.

And now, he takes credit for taking from me...and yet still does not speak to me....he simply lets others call me names...makes fun of me if I spoeak out....and takes all the credit for savbing the world.

He is my country's president...but he has yet made me feel as if he were MY president.

[samurai7]

Your delusional if you believe you were safe over the past 8 years. Just because there wasn't another attack doesn't mean that it was because of anything Bush did or didn't do. The dow being over 14k in an inflated bubble that Bush helped perpetuate is NOT something to be bragging about either. Neither is whining about the deficit spending that is necessary to prevent another great depression in defense of Mr. 22%.

Stricken

That's like saying "Just because the Japanese haven't attacked us in almost 70 years doesn't mean the A-bomb attacks worked!"

The total denial of ACTUAL REALITY that stands in face of your spin is hilarious.

Oh we can't look at OBSERBVABLE REALITY as evidence of any success. Nooooooooooooooo, of course not.

No, we should just listen to liberal "experts" who tell us we weren't safer because they say so.

Yeah. :rolleyes:

:)) :)) :))

[AvgGuyIA]

... snip ...
The office of the President of the United States is supposed to be above such things.The Office is, but O**** isn't above such things. I really want him to keep on with his school boy remarks about his critics; it demonstrates that he is not presidential at all.

He may hold the Office, but he isn't a President.

[samurai7]

As I stated before OT, I am a small business owner and one of those 5%. So in essence, my support does mean that at some point my taxes will increase. I have been blessed with great fortune and being required to pay it forward for the improvement of our country doesn't bother me one bit. My life and business isn't going to change at all because I planned for it. You see, I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk too.

Stricken

Yeah, I have heard this before.

"Well I'm a fiscal conservative but a social liberal."

"Oh!" I replied, "a hypocrite!"

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?" he demanded.

"Simple!" I replied, "You want to make money, you just don't want anyone else, too!"

He really didn't have an answer to that. :))

And that is how I term liberals who tell me they are in business, but still voted for Obama.

:)) :)) :))

[samurai7]

No the casualty pay should come from reading your smile filled all caps rants. :whistle:

Do you hear the sound of a liberal losing?

So you will recognize the sound in the future let me explain it to you.

It's the sound of a liberal who doesn't respond to the point, but only WHINES about smiles, etc, and simply complains about YOU PERSONALLY.

So, when you have an answer Stricken get back to me, but I suspect you ran off already to go find some more talking points.

Until then, I'll accept your admission of defeat, even if you didn't intend it that way.

:)) :)) :))

(And liberals always whine about the fact I'm laughing. They just hate that I can't take all that liberal BS seriously)

[Stricken]

Because he's THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He's supposed to be president OF ALL THE PEOPLE. Including those at the tea parties.

He's not supposed to see himself as the head of the DNC leading a party, BUT A NATION.

I don't expect liberals to understand that. That takes class and seeing beyond one's own selfish interersts. Liberals have never done that.

Bush was able to do this. Maybe that's one of the reasons liberals hated him so much. He made their presidents look so bad and so small by comparison.

It's sure one of the reasons liberals hated Reagan. :rolleyes:

Yeah...those signs depecting him as Hitler, a socialist, a marxist, a communist and a facist were a means to lead to intellectual debate.

Maybe if they want to be taken seriously, they should quit running around like chicken little screaming "the sky is falling!"

Stricken

[Jeanie]

He is too immature and too weak to be our President.

This is probably the perfect phrase to express his leadership. I'm waiting for him to throw a tantrum on TV fairly soon.

[firediver]

Yeah...those signs depecting him as Hitler, a socialist, a marxist, a communist and a facist were a means to lead to intellectual debate.

Maybe if they want to be taken seriously, they should quit running around like chicken little screaming "the sky is falling!"

Stricken

Sure glad the Libs and Dems didn't do that to Bush for the past eight years. After all it's not like anyone actually called him a liar or anything...

[Stricken]

Do you hear the sound of a liberal losing?

So you will recognize the sound in the future let me explain it to you.

It's the sound of a liberal who doesn't respond to the point, but only WHINES about smiles, etc, and simply complains about YOU PERSONALLY.

So, when you have an answer Stricken get back to me, but I suspect you ran off already to go find some more talking points.

Until then, I'll accept your admission of defeat, even if you didn't intend it that way.

:)) :)) :))

(And liberals always whine about the fact I'm laughing. They just hate that I can't take all that liberal BS seriously)

No...that's the sound of the WAAAHMMMBULANCE coming to pick you up.

That's ok...pat yourself on the back as usual pretending that you've proved a point when you really haven't. Just more spinning wheels for the fun of it.

Stricken

[oldandtired]

Yeah, I have heard this before.

"Well I'm a fiscal conservative but a social liberal."

"Oh!" I replied, "a hypocrite!"

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?" he demanded.

"Simple!" I replied, "You want to make money, you just don't want anyone else, too!"

He really didn't have an answer to that. :))

And that is how I term liberals who tell me they are in business, but still voted for Obama.

:)) :)) :))


Uh oh...Im doomed with you sam...

I am a fiscal conservative but I have learned to accept and even understand social liberalism.

Abortion? Against it...but I DO understand and respect those that make mistakes as 16 year olds that will affect their futures......and it is not right ofr us to say you are too young to vote, but old enough NOT to make a major mistake.

Helping the less fortunate get back on their feet? I am ok with this. I had my parents to helpo me when I fell....many dont....and many do not have parents that were afforded the rtight to make money that enabled them to financially help their children when they fell...


But I did not vote for Obama as he is a dreamer....and a liar...but that is for another day.

I did not vote for Obama becuase his rhetoric scared the hell out of me.

I did not vote for Obama becuase he made it clear he had no repsect for our Military (God bless them).

I did not vote for Obama becuase he was noticeably insincere.

I did not vote for Obama because he refused to tell us who he is.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY....

I did not vote for Obama becuase he would not speak to me...the top 5% earners.....he spoke OF me....but never once spoke TO me.

[oldandtired]

Why wont you respond to me Stricken.

It is a valid question.

Why does it not bother you that Obama knows that the public sentiment of us 5% earners has gone down as most see us as greedy and evil thanks to his rhetoric...yet he refuses to remind Americans that most of us are noble, honest hardworking people that are nopw being asked to bear theburden of his agenda to help those that he knows hate us?

[oldandtired]

No...that's the sound of the WAAAHMMMBULANCE coming to pick you up.

That's ok...pat yourself on the back as usual pretending that you've proved a point when you really haven't. Just more spinning wheels for the fun of it.

Stricken

The WAAAHMMMBULANCE?

Sorry folks.....Stricken is NOT a business owner.

No way.

[Stricken]

Why wont you respond to me Stricken.

It is a valid question.

Why does it not bother you that Obama knows that the public sentiment of us 5% earners has gone down as most see us as greedy and evil thanks to his rhetoric...yet he refuses to remind Americans that most of us are noble, honest hardworking people that are nopw being asked to bear the burden of his agenda to help those that he knows hate us?

Because unfortunately we are lumped in with corporations, but I do not see this as necessarily an attack against me. Would it be nice to be validated for the contributions that I make, sure. I don't need it though to validate my worth as an American.

Stricken

[timjy]

What stopped other attacks .Why is 12 trillion in spending necessary?.
My opinion is bush policies saved us a lot of grief and tax cuts would have worked better.
Still waiting for answers:whistle::whistle:

[Stricken]

The WAAAHMMMBULANCE?

Sorry folks.....Stricken is NOT a business owner.

No way.

I am OT. Internet related business which is why I have the opportunity to spend considerable time here. I'm online about 14 hours a day mostly interacting with the younger generation hence the wahmbulance comment. Maybe they are starting to rub off. :rolleyes:

Stricken

[oldandtired]

Because unfortunately we are lumped in with corporations, but I do not see this as necessarily an attack against me. Would it be nice to be validated for the contributions that I make, sure. I don't need it though to validate my worth as an American.

Stricken

Again a defelction...and it is getting old for me.

Seeing as Obama is aware that his rhetoric has allowed people to lump us in with the other EVIL GREEDY PEOPLE...

DO you not find it inappropriate that, with all of his public appearances, he has not once offered us the recognition as NOT part of the evil greedy people?

Not once has he said "We need to THANK the top 5% for bearing the burden?"

Do you give him credit for easing Pauls pain using OUR money....or do you give US credit.

Paul gives HIM credit and thanks HIM...and in the same breath Paul says "hell with you ...you rich evil top 5%...

Shouldnt the President of the people say.."it is not MY burden as you give me credit for...it is the burden of the top 5%"?

What do you say about a quarterback who gets credit for 5 touchdowns but does not recognoize his line and hius recievers during an interview?

ANd be hoinest.....

[oldandtired]

I am OT. Internet related business which is why I have the opportunity to spend considerable time here. I'm online about 14 hours a day mostly interacting with the younger generation hence the wahmbulance comment. Maybe they are starting to rub off. :rolleyes:

Stricken


I apologize. My response to your wambulance thing was as immature as I took the wambulance thing.

Sorry.

[samurai7]

They whine and whimper when he is criticized becuse Obama whines and whimpers when he is criticized.

They simply follow his lead.

:)) True 'dat! :))

[samurai7]

Yeah...those signs depecting him as Hitler, a socialist, a marxist, a communist and a facist were a means to lead to intellectual debate.

Maybe if they want to be taken seriously, they should quit running around like chicken little screaming "the sky is falling!"

Stricken

Are you just TRYING TO SOUND HILARIOUS!

BUSH WAS NEVER PICTURED AS HITLER???????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????

Do you even try to consider the laughable hypocrisy before you post?

If not, kudos for making me laugh so much.

But cheer up, you can always whine about that again.

:)) :)) :))

[Stricken]

What stopped other attacks .

Absolutely nothing. This notion of us being safe is a delusion. If someone with the means and desire choose to attack this country again there is little we could do to stop it. Now, the war in Iraq may have distracted the main potential culprits, It's still just a matter of time before someone makes an attempt again.

Why is 12 trillion in spending necessary?

Because this country couldn't handle another great depression. We as a nation have become too spoiled and lost the grit that got us through the last one. There would be mass chaos in the streets if unemployment reached 20-25%. I have young children now that I'm not willing to let suffer under those conditions.

My opinion is bush policies saved us a lot of grief and tax cuts would have worked better.

Tax cuts do work, but the problem we face now far surpassed the limits of the effectiveness of tax cuts. Look at the Bush reimbursement tax cuts of 07. Didn't even make a dent and the recession kept right on coming.

Stricken

[samurai7]

No...that's the sound of the WAAAHMMMBULANCE coming to pick you up.

That's ok...pat yourself on the back as usual pretending that you've proved a point when you really haven't. Just more spinning wheels for the fun of it.

Stricken

I didn't prove the point, YOU DID.

When you ceased to even try to debate the op and just started WHINING how unfair I am, you made the point for me.

That's the sound of a liberal losing.

Embrace it babe, it's all yours. :)) :)) :))

[timjy]

The WAAAHMMMBULANCE?

Sorry folks.....Stricken is NOT a business owner.

No way.
I am a business owner in Maine.I am upset that i have to pay more for people laying around.

[oldandtired]

Absolutely nothing. This notion of us being safe is a delusion. If someone with the means and desire choose to attack this country again there is little we could do to stop it. Now, the war in Iraq may have distracted the main potential culprits, It's still just a matter of time before someone makes an attempt again.



Because this country couldn't handle another great depression. We as a nation have become too spoiled and lost the grit that got us through the last one. There would be mass chaos in the streets if unemployment reached 20-25%. I have young children now that I'm not willing to let suffer under those conditions.



Tax cuts do work, but the problem we face now far surpassed the limits of the effectiveness of tax cuts. Look at the Bush reimbursement tax cuts of 07. Didn't even make a dent and the recession kept right on coming.

Stricken

You do realize of course, that you are saying that anything that is positive thanks to Bush is specualtive at best and anything poisitive that MAY happen under Obama's watch should be attributed to Obama.

That shows true partisanship...and weakens your debate.

I suggest you reconsider how you articualte what you feel.

Just friendly advice.

[oldandtired]

I am a business owner in Maine.I am upset that i have to pay more for people laying around.

People laying around? I agree.

People that gambled in the market and lost or people that bit off more than they can chew when they lied on their mortgage application so they can buy a home they knew they could not afford?.....let them struggle.

People that fell down due to illness, racism, or other factors they had no control over and do not have the finances to get up again? I dont mind helping them.

[nobamayomama]

More "divisiveness" (short i's btw)from Present YoBama. Amazing how a US President who thinks he's so classy is so classless with his blatent "divisiveness." (short i)

[oldandtired]

Absolutely nothing. This notion of us being safe is a delusion. If someone with the means and desire choose to attack this country again there is little we could do to stop it. Now, the war in Iraq may have distracted the main potential culprits, It's still just a matter of time before someone makes an attempt again.



Because this country couldn't handle another great depression. We as a nation have become too spoiled and lost the grit that got us through the last one. There would be mass chaos in the streets if unemployment reached 20-25%. I have young children now that I'm not willing to let suffer under those conditions.



Tax cuts do work, but the problem we face now far surpassed the limits of the effectiveness of tax cuts. Look at the Bush reimbursement tax cuts of 07. Didn't even make a dent and the recession kept right on coming.

Stricken

uh...Stricken....as a buisness owner, I am sure you would know why the 2007 Bush tax cuts did not work.....

Market saturation....during the 2000's we all bought and bought and bought. We all met our needs and more. We did not need another tv...we did not need another car....the demand was completely saturated and talk of a recession was on the table....people did not need much, so they saved it

There has been only one economic downturn that we did not recover from without major government intervention...and to this day we will never know if we had simply allowed the economy to recover on its own, it may have a lot sooner than it did.

Japan's lost decade is an example of where stimulus of great magnitutde stalled a recovery.....

Can you give me another recession that we did NOT recover from without a major government stimulus?

Not one....we got out of them on our own...sure tax cuts to ease the pain...fine....but trillion dollar stimulus?

When...tell me when that has proiven to work.

[Stricken]

Again a defelction...and it is getting old for me.

Seeing as Obama is aware that his rhetoric has allowed people to lump us in with the other EVIL GREEDY PEOPLE...

DO you not find it inappropriate that, with all of his public appearances, he has not once offered us the recognition as NOT part of the evil greedy people?

Not once has he said "We need to THANK the top 5% for bearing the burden?"

Do you give him credit for easing Pauls pain using OUR money....or do you give US credit.

Paul gives HIM credit and thanks HIM...and in the same breath Paul says "hell with you ...you rich evil top 5%...

Shouldnt the President of the people say.."it is not MY burden as you give me credit for...it is the burden of the top 5%"?

What do you say about a quarterback who gets credit for 5 touchdowns but does not recognoize his line and hius recievers during an interview?

ANd be hoinest.....

Seriously OT, it doesn't bother me. I have much bigger fish to fry so to speak. I have my plan and I'm sticking to it. I'm going to plug along for 8 more years then I'm selling it all and coaching my kids baseball team. I didn't get to where I am expecting other people to give me credit. I let my accomplishments speak for themselves.

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[timjy]

Absolutely nothing. This notion of us being safe is a delusion. If someone with the means and desire choose to attack this country again there is little we could do to stop it. Now, the war in Iraq may have distracted the main potential culprits, It's still just a matter of time before someone makes an attempt again.



Because this country couldn't handle another great depression. We as a nation have become too spoiled and lost the grit that got us through the last one. There would be mass chaos in the streets if unemployment reached 20-25%. I have young children now that I'm not willing to let suffer under those conditions.



Tax cuts do work, but the problem we face now far surpassed the limits of the effectiveness of tax cuts. Look at the Bush reimbursement tax cuts of 07. Didn't even make a dent and the recession kept right on coming.

Stricken
I firmly believe info from Cia and yes Waterboarding (torture) what ever you want to call it saved a lot of us.(I personally do not believe that something non life threatening is torture)

As far as tax cuts. business tax cuts would instantly put people to work maybe even help with health care cost's.If business is more profitable employees win also.

Massive spending is only going to make our children pay the bill's unborn children are all ready in debt.How is that good for our children.?

[Stricken]

I apologize. My response to your wambulance thing was as immature as I took the wambulance thing.

Sorry.

No apology necessary OT. I enjoy an honest debate of the issues. We may not agree on all the issues, but you have my respect as one of the "evil" 5%.

:clap:

Stricken

p.s. I have to get some work done, so I'm out for today. We'll pick this up another time.

[samurai7]

trolling, coh, flaming.

COH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when is Stricken Sean Hannity??????

Could you please PRETEND you read the TOS before posting???????

[oldandtired]

Seriously OT, it doesn't bother me. I have much bigger fish to fry so to speak. I have my plan and I'm sticking to it. I'm going to plug along for 8 more years then I'm selling it all and coaching my kids baseball team. I didn't get to where I am expecting other people to give me credit. I let my accomplishments speak for themselves.

Stricken

I admire your convictions...but this is not a question about you.

It is about Obama....

Is it appropriate for a man who claims to be a uniter to allow those that benefit from his policy to dam those that bear the burden?

Is that a uniter or a divider?

He takes from peter. Gives to Paul.... Paul thanks HIM and also dams peter in the same breath.

He accepts pauls thanks and says nothing on behalf of peter and allows paul to continue to dam peter.

Is this a unioter or a divider in your eyes?

[Stricken]

Market saturation....during the 2000's we all bought and bought and bought. We all met our needs and more. We did not need another tv...we did not need another car....the demand was completely saturated and talk of a recession was on the table....people did not need much, so they saved it


We sure did. We spent and spent and spent. Unfortunately, it was all on credit and that bill that was built up over 9 years has finally come due.

Can you give me another recession that we did NOT recover from without a major government stimulus?

Not one....we got out of them on our own...sure tax cuts to ease the pain...fine....but trillion dollar stimulus?

When...tell me when that has proven to work.

Historical comparisons don't work because the model is flawed. Never before his this country or any other for that matter dug a hole this deep. It's just that massive and I believe it's A LOT worse than they are letting on. The foreclosures now are just the first wave. There is still two more coming in 2011 and 2012 when the second set of ARMs reset. Not to mention the impending retail real estate crash that is just around the corner. Hopefully, the actions that have been taken will lessen that pain. Only time will tell if I'm right or not.

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[Stricken]

Is that a uniter or a divider?

A divider, but like I said, it doesn't affect my plans one bit. It would be nice to not be lumped in with corporations as a small business owner. Having spent 10 years on that side of the fence, I see where the disdain comes from and that's what drove me to get out on my own.

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[oldandtired]

We sure did. We spent and spent and spent. Unfortunately, it was all on credit and that bill that was built up over 9 years has finally come due.



Historical comparisons don't work because the model is flawed. Never before his this country or any other for that matter dug a hole this deep. It's just that massive and I believe it's A LOT worse than they are letting on. The foreclosures now are just the first wave. There is still two more coming in 2011 and 2012 when the second set of ARMs reset. Not to mention the impending retail real estate crash that is just around the corner. Hopefully, the actions that have been taken will lessen that pain. Only time will tell if I'm right or not.

Stricken

My parents had two tv's for 5 of us and 1 car.

My family, (wife and 2 boys ..one 18 and one 22)...has 3 cars and 6 tv's.

I am very successful in comparison to the rest.

My dad was more successful compared to the rest of his time.

We agree with what got us here.

We disagree with the solution.

Only difference?

Your solution will cost OUR children, and ease the pain on us.

My solution will cost pain on us but not our children.

I do not believe our children should pay for our mistakes.

Deep down, you feel the same....I can tell.

[Stricken]

My parents had two tv's for 5 of us and 1 car.

My family, (wife and 2 boys ..one 18 and one 22)...has 3 cars and 6 tv's.

I am very successful in comparison to the rest.

My dad was more successful compared to the rest of his time.

We agree with what got us here.

We disagree with the solution.

Only difference?

Your solution will cost OUR children, and ease the pain on us.

My solution will cost pain on us but not our children.

I do not believe our children should pay for our mistakes.

Deep down, you feel the same....I can tell.

No the difference is my children are much younger than yours(4 & 2). The theory is that by the time they become adults this mess will have been cleaned up. Besides, baring a major catastrophe, it probably won't affect them much either way. Because I've busted my butt to make sure of it, in an industry that has been surprisingly resilient in this economic downturn. People staying home and spending more time online has proven to be a good thing!

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[AvgGuyIA]

I think it was wrong to mock the tea party participants in that fashion although i think many were out there out of dislike for Obama beating McCain rather than a particular cause or issue.You didn't attend a Tea Party and talk to anyone did you?

[samurai7]

No i didn't attend but i respect the rights of those who chose to do so in a peaceful manner.Whether i personally agree with them or not, all Americans voices should be heard.
The second part of my previous statement was of course not representative of any statistical data or demographic percentages but merely my opinion that of the many people who attended the events
all of them may not have been there for the same exact reason and may have had other motives.

But you can't prove a word of that.

Gotcha!

:rolleyes:

[Cutiepie]

There are also some videos that make the point of how Obama has already tanked the economy at the same link.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/29/its-on-obama-takes-shot-at-tea-parties/

So now you know why the constant theme from liberals has been "sponsored by Fox News" blah blah blah, no matter how little that can be true.

But, let's take this to it's illogical extreme. WHAT IF it was sponsored by Fox News.

AND other protests don't have sponsors? George Soros isn't a sponsor of left wing causes???????

How come that is never a theme to discredit them but Fox News and suddenly it's can't be legit.

It's huge double standard and that's why I wouldn't even bothering arguing the lame premise with liberals.

Instead take it to them on their own laughable double standard. There isn't much they can hang their hats on that isn't George Soros funded.

Hell I wouldn't doubt that's why a FEW OF THEM ARE HERE.

So, don't let them get away with such pompous hypocrisy. The best way to discredit a talking point, is hit back with how THAT'S A FREAKING TWO WAY STREET.

:)) :)) :))




I am already calling GObama! the idiot out. He claimed he didn't know anything about the TEA Parties yet he slammed the people who went to them. He is one big fat LIAR!!!!

[Conan]

No i didn't attend but i respect the rights of those who chose to do so in a peaceful manner.Whether i personally agree with them or not, all Americans voices should be heard.
The second part of my previous statement was of course not representative of any statistical data or demographic percentages but merely my opinion that of the many people who attended the events
all of them may not have been there for the same exact reason and may have had other motives.

No you just echoed the opinion of MSN and CNN

I think it was wrong to mock the tea party participants in that fashion although i think many were out there out of dislike for Obama beating McCain rather than a particular cause or issue.

[oldandtired]

No the difference is my children are much younger than yours(4 & 2). The theory is that by the time they become adults this mess will have been cleaned up. Besides, baring a major catastrophe, it probably won't affect them much either way. Because I've busted my butt to make sure of it, in an industry that has been surprisingly resilient in this economic downturn. People staying home and spending more time online has proven to be a good thing!

Stricken

Wow...your a kid (not an insult...but to me you are a kid!).

Assuming the CBO is incorrect and the numbers Obama gives ARE correct....your children will still be liable for a good part of the debt we incurred to ease our pain.

If the CBO is correct....your grandchildren will ALSO be paying for it.

Who doesnt pay for it?

Us. The culprits of this mess.

I beleive we should pay the price...bear the pain....deal with struggling....learn from our spending mistakes.

Oh yeah...and I too made some pretty good decisions in my life...with the exception of the market lately....lost about 30% of my retirment....But I am OK with that. Work will keep me young!

Besides, I have my home, both boys are in college..one done next week and the other on an athletic scholarship....

So it is all down hill from here....an easy ride with little pressure.

[samurai7]

I am already calling GObama! the idiot out. He claimed he didn't know anything about the TEA Parties yet he slammed the people who went to them. He is one big fat LIAR!!!!

Oh it's obvious.

It's also obvious some CERTAIN LIBERALS are now not even talking to me in this thread, because I cancelled out the ludicrous talking point of "Fox news sponsoring the tea parties."

I still would like to know who sponsors some of the liberals on this forum. :shifty: :mrgreen: