Disney World "unofficial" Gay days

[Camp]

Just want to give folks a heads up on the festivities planned for the first week in June. Emphasis is mine...

Orlando Florida’s Gay Days Celebration is not a single event. It is a total gay and lesbian vacation experience. Gay Days is comprised of multiple events staged at world famous attractions, gay & lesbian clubs, and unique venues secured for the purpose of creating a gay and lesbian atmosphere at Orlando's greatest theme parks and at multiple parties occurring during this long weekend. We have young, old, all races and beliefs, parents, gay AA groups, and every other section of our community attending Gay Days each year.

Gay Days began in 1991 as a single designated day (always the first Saturday in June) when the LesBiGay community and friends were
encouraged to "Wear Red and Be Seen" while visiting the world’s most popular theme park. From it’s beginnings (spearheaded by the GLBT Community Center, local activists, businesses, and the online friends and users of Compu-Who) with 3,000 attendees, this one-day park visit has evolved into a week long, citywide celebration offering round the clock activities including multiple theme park visits, cocktail soirees, concerts, and a host of internationally renowned parties. Gay Days attracts over 135,000 celebrants from across the nation and around the globe!


While the park is open to all on any day of the year I really have to question the desire to wear red and be "seen" in an area like the Magic Kingdom on the first Saturday in June. The concept isn't so radical and shocking anymore so why take over a children's theme park? Is it the magic of Disney or the looks on the faces of families who did not see the invasion coming? I am sure there are a good many guffaws to be had every year. Lots of pictures around of all the unique gay Disney fun that could not be had any other week of the year.

I do feel bad for Disney as they must walk a fine line between guests who have very different agendas for family fun.

At some point folks must realize the shock wears off and it is all just very juvenile, at least it is to me.

Plan your vacations wisely.

[angelicmadrigal]

You ought to be thankful they let you know in advance soy ou don't have to deal with those unsavory gays and can plan your vacation around it. ::snicker::

[Quid]

So, it is odd for Disney and other parks to organize a special event for a particular subset of paying customers?

If you will do your damnedest to inform people that us evil gay people will be there for a special event then I encourage you not to go that weekend; fewer screaming brats to ruin our enjoyment of the Magic Kingdom.

BTW, Camp. what exactly is this gay definition of family fun you claim we have? I always thought that gay family fun included going to a place that caters to families and enjoying the rides and attractions that are there...just like straight family fun.

[angelicmadrigal]

Apparently you didn't get the memo that anything homosexuals do is automatically perverted.

[JimGP20]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?

[EnchantedFrog]

I feel sorry for the kids who just happen to wear a red shirt or red skirt to the park that weekend without knowing they might just have become targets.

[angelicmadrigal]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?

What special treatment are they asking for exactly? I don't see it as any different than a youth group or school going to a park together and all wearing the same shirts.

[Quid]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?


Many amusement parks organize events for Father's Day. So which is it?? Do fathers want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?

[JimGP20]

What special treatment are they asking for exactly? I don't see it as any different than a youth group or school going to a park together and all wearing the same shirts.

Gays have gone to great lengths to be accepted as normal by society. Youth groups and schools were already normal. If you can't see the difference without an explanation, then no explanation will help you see it.

[Quid]

Gays have gone to great lengths to be accepted as normal by society. Youth groups and schools were already normal. If you can't see the difference without an explanation, then no explanation will help you see it.

How is it different for gay groups to organize a special event than it is for church groups? People with things in common often like to get together and do things.

[angelicmadrigal]

Gays have gone to great lengths to be accepted as normal by society. Youth groups and schools were already normal. If you can't see the difference without an explanation, then no explanation will help you see it.

It doesn't matter. If an already normalized group of people can get together and do it, and it be fine and normal, homosexuals doing it is no different, as they are participating in behavior that is acceptable by already normalized groups.

[angelicmadrigal]

How is it different for gay groups to organize a special event than it is for church groups? People with things in common often like to get together and do things.

You must have missed the argument that because gays aren't "normal", that automatically makes any activity that would be normal for any other group abnormal. Riiiiiiiight.

[BillyBobUSA]

Apparently you didn't get the memo that anything homosexuals do is automatically perverted.


Just about when its done for the express purpose of showing pride in sodomy and perversion, yes, it is.

[BillyBobUSA]

Lol, here at the Sean Hannity forums, there are so few cultural conservatives any more that the homophiles can immediately take over any thread on homosexual perversion.

What a crying shame that is.

Just Big Tent Republicanism at work, I guess.

[mdk190]

I love that a large amount of homosexuals in one area is considered "shocking" by some people. Disney only cares about one master...money and gays have lots of expendable income since most gay couples don't have children. I agree one point though, I do plan my vacations wisely b/c I don't want to end up surrounded by a bunch of bigots.

[Stuball]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?
Who is asking for special treatment here?

[Stuball]

Gays have gone to great lengths to be accepted as normal by society. Youth groups and schools were already normal. If you can't see the difference without an explanation, then no explanation will help you see it.
So Now that they are accepted as normal there shouldnt be a problem

[angelicmadrigal]

Lol, here at the Sean Hannity forums, there are so few cultural conservatives any more that the homophiles can immediately take over any thread on homosexual perversion.

What a crying shame that is.

Just Big Tent Republicanism at work, I guess.

I actually find it terribly amusing. Since you're wrong in your thinking, anyway.

[mdk190]

Gays have gone to great lengths to be accepted as normal by society. Youth groups and schools were already normal. If you can't see the difference without an explanation, then no explanation will help you see it.

I must have your acceptance. Please just give to me so my life can have some meaning. Please I beg of you. Without it I may just have to go on living my fabulous life that is rich in friends and family without your blessing.

[Ballygrl]

Just want to give folks a heads up on the festivities planned for the first week in June. Emphasis is mine...

Orlando Florida’s Gay Days Celebration is not a single event. It is a total gay and lesbian vacation experience. Gay Days is comprised of multiple events staged at world famous attractions, gay & lesbian clubs, and unique venues secured for the purpose of creating a gay and lesbian atmosphere at Orlando's greatest theme parks and at multiple parties occurring during this long weekend. We have young, old, all races and beliefs, parents, gay AA groups, and every other section of our community attending Gay Days each year.

Gay Days began in 1991 as a single designated day (always the first Saturday in June) when the LesBiGay community and friends were
encouraged to "Wear Red and Be Seen" while visiting the world’s most popular theme park. From it’s beginnings (spearheaded by the GLBT Community Center, local activists, businesses, and the online friends and users of Compu-Who) with 3,000 attendees, this one-day park visit has evolved into a week long, citywide celebration offering round the clock activities including multiple theme park visits, cocktail soirees, concerts, and a host of internationally renowned parties. Gay Days attracts over 135,000 celebrants from across the nation and around the globe!


While the park is open to all on any day of the year I really have to question the desire to wear red and be "seen" in an area like the Magic Kingdom on the first Saturday in June. The concept isn't so radical and shocking anymore so why take over a children's theme park? Is it the magic of Disney or the looks on the faces of families who did not see the invasion coming? I am sure there are a good many guffaws to be had every year. Lots of pictures around of all the unique gay Disney fun that could not be had any other week of the year.

I do feel bad for Disney as they must walk a fine line between guests who have very different agendas for family fun.

At some point folks must realize the shock wears off and it is all just very juvenile, at least it is to me.

Plan your vacations wisely.

Why do they need to have a "gay day"? doesn't trying to fit in like a regular family mean to just go about your business? and what the heck would I do, I'm a brunette and I look great in red, so does that mean I'd have to wear another color? :think:

[Stuball]

Just about when its done for the express purpose of showing pride in sodomy and perversion, yes, it is.
Calm Down Billy Bob
I dont think they plan on sodomizing Tigger

[JimGP20]

You folks amuse me. You have no clue as to where I'm coming from, but you have no problem assuming the worst. Oh well.

[Stuball]

Why do they need to have a "gay day"? doesn't trying to fit in like a regular family mean to just go about your business? and what the heck would I do, I'm a brunette and I look great in red, so does that mean I'd have to wear another color? :think:
You think you might get hit on if you wear Red?

[mdk190]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?

What special treatment do you mean? The right to marriage? If so, you would be allowed to enter into a gay marriage if you so choose. No special treatment there.

[JimGP20]

You think you might get hit on if you wear Red?


Dude.... nice shirt in your sig. :lol:

[mdk190]

You folks amuse me. You have no clue as to where I'm coming from, but you have no problem assuming the worst. Oh well.

That might b/c your doing an awful job trying to convey where your coming from. What else are we to assume?

[Stuball]

Dude.... nice shirt in your sig. :lol:
Sorry Jim I dont date Patriot Fans

[JimGP20]

That might b/c your doing an awful job trying to convey where your coming from. What else are we to assume?


You're not supposed to assume anything, as I don't assume anything about you. If I'm unclear as to where I'm coming from, I may have personal reasons for that which I don't care to type on a public forum.

[JimGP20]

Sorry Jim I dont date Patriot Fans

Me neither.... I'm married to a Niner fan. :D

[mdk190]

You're not supposed to assume anything, as I don't assume anything about you. If I'm unclear as to where I'm coming from, I may have personal reasons for that which I don't care to type on a public forum.

Fair enough. I suppose I am just going to have to assume your coming from a good place. Even though I do disagree with you a lot about gay rights and the like.

[Stuball]

Me neither.... I'm married to a Niner fan. :D
Theres Something About Mary:D

[The Girl from Ipanema]

This has been going on for quite a while and every year when it comes up, I find myself wondering if, as the news spreads, it wouldn't actually be a good time to go since I hate standing in lines.

The more people who won't go that weekend, the fewer people, I'll have to wait behind.

[Dreamy]

I can understand people wanting to share a day with a certain group like a school or youth group or a business but a group only defined by their sexuality is strange to me. Who you sleep with or love is now a special group?

[mdk190]

I can understand people wanting to share a day with a certain group like a school or youth group or a business but a group only defined by their sexuality is strange to me. Who you sleep with or love is now a special group?

Apparently we are special enough for the GOP to crusade a ban on marriage and/or civil unions for gay couples.

[mdk190]

Clearly every other group and sub-culture in America can celebrate there differences and heritage without outrage, unless your a homosexual of course.

[Dreamy]

Clearly every other group and sub-culture in America can celebrate there differences and heritage without outrage, unless your a homosexual of course.

I never celebrate my sexuality at Disney(or the supermarket,or the bank,or work,or the beach) nor do I need a special day set aside there for it.

Disney is an amusement park. Go and have fun like everyone else. But to seek or expect a special day for a type of sexuality is bizarre.

[mdk190]

I never celebrate my sexuality at Disney nor do I need a special day set aside there for it.

Disney is an amusement park. Go and have fun like everyone else. But to seek or expect a special day for a type of sexuality is bizarre.

It may be bizarre to you but many people are proud that are homosexual and wish to celebrate that fact with other homosexuals and with friendly heterosexuals, much like how the Irish love to get together with each and celebrate their heritage and have fun on St. Patty's Day.

[Dreamy]

It may be bizarre to you but many people are proud that are homosexual and wish to celebrate that fact with other homosexuals and with friendly heterosexuals, much like how the Irish love to get together with each and celebrate their heritage and have fun on St. Patty's Day.

Proud of what? Your sexuality? I have never been "proud" of my sexuality. It just it. I was just born this way and were homosexuals in my opinion.

Why would one's birth sexuality need a special day at an amsuement park?

Just go to he park with whoever and have fun. Geesh. What do I care or anyone else care about your sexuality while I am riding Splash Mountain?

[angelicmadrigal]

Why do they need to have a "gay day"?

Why do certain company's have special days at amusement parks?

[angelicmadrigal]

Proud of what? Your sexuality? I have never been "proud" of my sexuality. It just it. I was just born this way and were homosexuals in my opinion.

Why would one's birth sexuality need a special day at an amsuement park?

Just go to he park with whoever and have fun. Geesh. What do I care or anyone else care about your sexuality while I am riding Splash Mountain?

Sometimes it's nice to get togther with a group of people who are like you. I'm a gamer, I'd rather go someplace with other gamers than people who don't get me.

[angelicmadrigal]

Fair enough. I suppose I am just going to have to assume your coming from a good place.

Personally I don't really care where he's coming from. I'm also not goign to assume it's a good place.

[JimGP20]

Personally I don't really care where he's coming from. I'm also not goign to assume it's a good place.

That's your choice. I don't care.

[Ballygrl]

You think you might get hit on if you wear Red?

This should be about people just going about their business and not look to be singled out. Gay families can go to Disney whenever they want, no need to have a special day.

[Quid]

Proud of what? Your sexuality? I have never been "proud" of my sexuality. It just it. I was just born this way and were homosexuals in my opinion.

Why would one's birth sexuality need a special day at an amsuement park?

Just go to he park with whoever and have fun. Geesh. What do I care or anyone else care about your sexuality while I am riding Splash Mountain?

Look at it this way. "Proud of what? Your nationality? I have never been "proud" of my nationality. It just is. I was just born this way as were the Polish in my opinion."

When a group has been marginalized to any extent, members of that group tend to stick together and act together for protection and common interest. Gays and Lesbians who have experienced marginalization enjoy getting together and exchanging stories and generally being in each other's presence. This is the same reason we have ethnic social clubs throughout the country. Disney organizing a gay day is no different than if they organized an Italian-American day.

The lesson for you is that people who share common aspects and interests like to get together and do things, this includes people for whom sexuality is a common aspect, and it is no different than when people of the same nationality or religion do things together too.

[Ballygrl]

It may be bizarre to you but many people are proud that are homosexual and wish to celebrate that fact with other homosexuals and with friendly heterosexuals, much like how the Irish love to get together with each and celebrate their heritage and have fun on St. Patty's Day.

That's what gay pride parades are for.

[Dreamy]

Sometimes it's nice to get togther with a group of people who are like you. I'm a gamer, I'd rather go someplace with other gamers than people who don't get me.


No problem. But why the need for a special day at an amusement park? Gamers gonna get their day at Disney? How about women in their 40s? :angel: When does it end?

[Quid]

No problem. But why the need for a special day at an amusement park? Gamers gonna get their day at Disney? How about women in their 40s? :angel: When does it end?

It ends when the amusement park doesn't envision making any profit off of certain groups. They may not make enough money on a Gamer day to offset the costs of running the park, thus no special promotion. As long as the parks are making money on Gay days, then they will continue to hold them. The special days also have the added benefit of luring people in who may not ordinarily come.

[Dreamy]

It ends when the amusement park doesn't envision making any profit off of certain groups. They may not make enough money on a Gamer day to offset the costs of running the park, thus no special promotion. As long as the parks are making money on Gay days, then they will continue to hold them. The special days also have the added benefit of luring people in who may not ordinarily come.

Ok call me nuts but can a group of gays or gay couples just go to an amusement park for the same reason I do and have fun? Why the need for a a special day? I though gays wanted to be just like heteros. I go to the park with other heteros and we celebrate.......riding the rides,eating,playing games...not who we love or share a bed with outside of the park. It is unimportant information for the venue and for the activity.

[Quid]

That's what gay pride parades are for.

Right, so we should only acknowledge our sexuality during events that you are comfortable with because of historical precedent. Maybe we gay people, want together because we like each other's company and don't feel the need to only do it once a year.

BTW, this event is being held in the first week of June, the traditional start of Pride season.

[Dreamy]

Right, so we should only acknowledge our sexuality during events that you are comfortable with because of historical precedent. Maybe we gay people, want together because we like each other's company and don't feel the need to only do it once a year.

BTW, this event is being held in the first week of June, the traditional start of Pride season.


Is it just a casual get together or is it more an activist political agenda? I have no idea what happens there when they gather. Socialize,rides,eat,have fun? Anything else that would be considered political in nature?

[Quid]

It is unimportant information for the venue and for the activity.
Not for the people involved ;)

Ok call me nuts but can a group of gays or gay couples just go to an amusement park for the same reason I do and have fun? Why the need for a a special day? I though gays wanted to be just like heteros. I go to the park with other heteros and we celebrate.......riding the rides,eating,playing games...not who we love or share a bed with outside of the park.

Yes, of course. But through social networks many gay people have decided to go on the same day and have fun TOGETHER.

I guess I must reiterate a point I have been making the whole thread: GAY PEOPLE HOLD THESE EVENTS BECAUSE WE ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.

The parks have fair notice about these mass events and if they think they will make money and attract people who wouldn't otherwise attend then they will officially sponsor the event. it is no different than holding a special event for Irish people, or Presbyterians, or the cub scouts.

and must I point out again that marginalized groups tend to stick together?

[Quid]

Is it just a casual get together or is it more an activist political agenda? I have no idea what happens there when they gather. Socialize,rides,eat,have fun? Anything else that would be considered political in nature?

All it is is a bunch of gay people getting together while on vacation to have some fun together. It may be shocking to learn that this fun may include going on rides, eating in nice restaurants, going to see shows, and other things that are commonly done in amusement parks.

It may surprise you to learn that gay people don't live politics 24/7. gay and lesbians are just average people living average lives, doing average things.

[Dreamy]

Not for the people involved ;)



Yes, of course. But through social networks many gay people have decided to go on the same day and have fun TOGETHER.

I guess I must reiterate a point I have been making the whole thread: GAY PEOPLE HOLD THESE EVENTS BECAUSE WE ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.

The parks have fair notice about these mass events and if they think they will make money and attract people who wouldn't otherwise attend then they will officially sponsor the event. it is no different than holding a special event for Irish people, or Presbyterians, or the cub scouts.

and must I point out again that marginalized groups tend to stick together?

Marginalized at Disney? In life? Don't we all get marginalized in some place or part of our lives? We are all humans who happen to be part of a few or often many subsets. Why is any subset warranting a "special" day at a park over the numerous other subsets?
Ok so at an amusement park it is more fun to stay with other homsexuals? Does that mean homosexuals are not the same as heteros as they often say they are? There are differences apparently that require one group to call for a "special" day to ride rides? Are only gays allowed in?

[Dreamy]

All it is is a bunch of gay people getting together while on vacation to have some fun together. It may be shocking to learn that this fun may include going on rides, eating in nice restaurants, going to see shows, and other things that are commonly done in amusement parks.

It may surprise you to learn that gay people don't live politics 24/7. gay and lesbians are just average people living average lives, doing average things.


lol You might be surprised to know I know more about gay persons than you apparently think.

Do you know me or my world and who is in it? Nope. So shelf the assumptions please.

[Quid]

lol You might be surprised to know I know more about gay persons than you apparently think.

Do you know me or my world and who is in it? Nope. So shelf the assumptions please.


if you know so much about gay people, why the ignorance about why gay people like to gather and do things together? hmm?

[Dreamy]

if you know so much about gay people, why the ignorance about why gay people like to gather and do things together? hmm?

I don't know any gays who like to go to gay gatherings. I know gay couples and gay singles who have friends that are gay and straight and socialize with both. I work with 2 gay men and forget they are gay most of the time. It just is not an issue. They go on vacations just like I do. Mixed groups.

[Quid]

Marginalized at Disney? In life? Don't we all get marginalized in some place or part of our lives? We are all humans who happen to be part of a few or often many subsets. Why is any subset warranting a "special" day at a park over the numerous other subsets?
Ok so at an amusement park it is more fun to stay with other homsexuals? Does that mean homosexuals are not the same as heteros as they often say they are? There are differences apparently that require one group to call for a "special" day to ride rides? Are only gays allowed in?


Hmmm, OK you haven't been listening at all have you? I have repeated my point at least 5 times and you still fail to grasp it.

I will make it loud and clear why gay people organize these events: GAY PEOPLE LIKE TO ORGANIZE THESE EVENTS BECAUSE OF A COMMONALITY THEY SHARE AND BECAUSE THEY ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY. THIS IS THE SAME REASON WHY GROUPS LIKE IRISH PEOPLE, JEWS, CHURCH GROUPS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS, THE BOY AND GIRL SCOUTS, THE RED HAT SOCIETY ETC. ORGANIZE SPECIAL EVENTS AND GATHER. if businesses want to cater to or sponsor these gatherings because of potential profitability then most will gladly support those businesses.

do I need to spell it out any further?

[Stuball]

That's what gay pride parades are for.
No Thats what America is for

[Stuball]

No problem. But why the need for a special day at an amusement park? Gamers gonna get their day at Disney? How about women in their 40s? :angel: When does it end?
Why does it have to end ?Who does this or any of the otherthings you mention effect?

[Stuball]

Marginalized at Disney? In life? Don't we all get marginalized in some place or part of our lives? We are all humans who happen to be part of a few or often many subsets. Why is any subset warranting a "special" day at a park over the numerous other subsets?
Ok so at an amusement park it is more fun to stay with other homsexuals? Does that mean homosexuals are not the same as heteros as they often say they are? There are differences apparently that require one group to call for a "special" day to ride rides? Are only gays allowed in?
Read the OP

THIS PART>>While the park is open to all on any day of the year

[terri910]

Many amusement parks organize events for Father's Day. So which is it?? Do fathers want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?
I do not believe Disney World (nor Disneyland, for that matter) does anything for Father's Day.

[Stuball]

I do not believe Disney World (nor Disneyland, for that matter) does anything for Father's Day.
Disney is not organizing Gay Day either
If a group of fathers wants to organize an outing ........... More power to them

[Quid]

I don't know any gays who like to go to gay gatherings. I know gay couples and gay singles who have friends that are gay and straight and socialize with both. I work with 2 gay men and forget they are gay most of the time. It just is not an issue. They go on vacations just like I do. Mixed groups.

Most gay people find that they share a special connection with other gay people that they may not share with straight people ( which straight people may, like you, find totally incomprehensible). Does this mean that most gay people don't have straight friends, or do things with straight people? No. it just means that most gay people find it easier to relate to other gay people, and thus will tend do things with other gay people.

Oh and I love when people have AGF's (Anonymous Gay Friends) who just so happen to abhor gay pride and share in the exact same morals, beliefs, and social habits as them.

[terri910]

Disney is not organizing Gay Day either
If a group of fathers wants to organize an outing ........... More power to them
I didn't say they were. It was someone else that implied they might (stated that "many" theme parks do); I was merely clarifying. YOUR clarification has been directed to the wrong person, Stuball.

I simply remembered a few times we have gone to D-Land on Father's Day, and nothing special was done.

Google reveals that a recent call to WDW indicates they have nothing special going on. But ebay shows a "Father's Day Pin" from 2000.

Apparently fatherhood has lost its cache in the last 9 years.

[Hereintheusa]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?

This has nothing to do with special treatment and everything to do with a business deciding to drum up business with one demographic of their customer base.

[Stuball]

I didn't say they were. It was someone else that implied they might (stated that "many" theme parks do); I was merely clarifying.

I simply remembered a few times we have gone to D-Land on Father's Day, and nothing special was done.

Google reveals that a recent call to WDW indicates they have nothing special going on. But ebay shows a "Father's Day Pin" from 2000.

Apparently fatherhood has lost its cache in the last 9 years.
Maybe it wasnt a financial sucsess
Just think
On the bright side that pin will increase in value
Better buy it beofe I grab it and jack up the price:D

[terri910]

This has nothing to do with special treatment and everything to do with a business deciding to drum up business with one demographic of their customer base.
Stuball says Disney hasn't arranged this, so I don't see how they could be drumming up business.

So...what business do you suppose this is meant to "drum up"?

[Quid]

Stuball says Disney hasn't arranged this, so I don't see how they could be drumming up business.

So...what business do you suppose this is meant to "drum up"?

True, Disney is not officially sponsoring this event, but they are surely not going to turn away a bunch of people who would otherwise have no reason to come.

Disney's thought is: "A bunch of gay people all want to come on the same day. GREAT! They can pay the admission price just like everyone else!"

[Hereintheusa]

Stuball says Disney hasn't arranged this, so I don't see how they could be drumming up business.

So...what business do you suppose this is meant to "drum up"?

Okay then Disney has not arranged it but they are not going to turn away a demographic which is targeted by many businesses because a large sector of the gay populations has a high disposable income.

Do you complain when the local restaurant gives a discount to such people as firemen? Of course not, it is not just done to say thank you, the businesses know that it will get that demographic into the restaurant and the discount is more than offset by the increase in business.

[Dreamy]

Most gay people find that they share a special connection with other gay people that they may not share with straight people ( which straight people may, like you, find totally incomprehensible). Does this mean that most gay people don't have straight friends, or do things with straight people? No. it just means that most gay people find it easier to relate to other gay people, and thus will tend do things with other gay people.

Oh and I love when people have AGF's (Anonymous Gay Friends) who just so happen to abhor gay pride and share in the exact same morals, beliefs, and social habits as them.

Abhor? No,just don't feel a need I guess to attend. Do you believe all gay people must agree with you or share your choices?

AGF? How should I offer their identity on the internet? Or should I, lest you give them the snide AGF label?

Quid I am trying to have an honest discussion with you but you are doing what a few former gay guests here have done in the past. Getting rather snippy and presumptive about straights here. Please rethink that style of interacting because it is not conducive for debate, I know for me it just makes me turn my back on the gay discussions cos of the angry gay condescending presence one can often feel on these threads.

[Dreamy]

Hmmm, OK you haven't been listening at all have you? I have repeated my point at least 5 times and you still fail to grasp it.

I will make it loud and clear why gay people organize these events: GAY PEOPLE LIKE TO ORGANIZE THESE EVENTS BECAUSE OF A COMMONALITY THEY SHARE AND BECAUSE THEY ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY. THIS IS THE SAME REASON WHY GROUPS LIKE IRISH PEOPLE, JEWS, CHURCH GROUPS, BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS, THE BOY AND GIRL SCOUTS, THE RED HAT SOCIETY ETC. ORGANIZE SPECIAL EVENTS AND GATHER. if businesses want to cater to or sponsor these gatherings because of potential profitability then most will gladly support those businesses.

do I need to spell it out any further?

I just read this. I also don't like your style or manner of addressing me so I bid you goodbye. Share your condescension and rudeness and shouting with someone else. I'm not interested.

[JimGP20]

This has nothing to do with special treatment and everything to do with a business deciding to drum up business with one demographic of their customer base.


Your statement implies that Disney sought out this group of people to have a day for, while other posters in here have said that Disney had nothing to do with the planning. It's like Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. :confused:

[JimGP20]

True, Disney is not officially sponsoring this event, but they are surely not going to turn away a bunch of people who would otherwise have no reason to come.



Why wouldn't they have a reason to come? Are you saying that gay folks just can't have fun at Disneyland without other gays? That's a rather limiting statement, and I'll bet not an accurate one either.

[terri910]

True, Disney is not officially sponsoring this event, but they are surely not going to turn away a bunch of people who would otherwise have no reason to come.

Disney's thought is: "A bunch of gay people all want to come on the same day. GREAT! They can pay the admission price just like everyone else!"
Having been a customer of Disney from the time of Walt Disney to Michael Eisner, I think I understand "Disney's" (and I use THAT term loosely, any more!) thought: $$$.

However, I must say it never occurred to me that anyone would think that a group of people would have "no reason to come" to one of the Disney theme parks unless they had some sort of special group day.

Silly me; I actually thought that gays/lesbians, just like so many straight people, would enjoy Disneyland and Walt Disney World for the fun they present all by themselves! Just think, all those Fathers that have no reason to go to Disneyland because there is no special Father's Day event! (my husband and son never got that memo, I'm afraid! :)) They went anyway!)

[terri910]

Okay then Disney has not arranged it but they are not going to turn away a demographic which is targeted by many businesses because a large sector of the gay populations has a high disposable income.

Do you complain when the local restaurant gives a discount to such people as firemen? Of course not, it is not just done to say thank you, the businesses know that it will get that demographic into the restaurant and the discount is more than offset by the increase in business.
How wonderful that you got into my head and answered your question to me for me. But, I would caution you: you don't actually know me so your margin for error is possibly quite large.

Of course, perhaps you were paying attention and noticed I have not complained about anything in this thread.

[Quid]

I just read this. I also don't like your style or manner of addressing me so I bid you goodbye. Share your condescension and rudeness and shouting with someone else. I'm not interested.

I am upset because you keep asking the same question over and over again, even though I have, and other have, given you an answer. How many times am I supposed to repeat myself?

[Ballygrl]

I guess I must reiterate a point I have been making the whole thread: GAY PEOPLE HOLD THESE EVENTS BECAUSE WE ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.

Can you imagine the screaming that would be done and the implications made if a bunch of white people said that?

[Quid]

Why wouldn't they have a reason to come? Are you saying that gay folks just can't have fun at Disneyland without other gays? That's a rather limiting statement, and I'll bet not an accurate one either.


However, I must say it never occurred to me that anyone would think that a group of people would have "no reason to come" to one of the Disney theme parks unless they had some sort of special group day.

Silly me; I actually thought that gays/lesbians, just like so many straight people, would enjoy Disneyland and Walt Disney World for the fun they present all by themselves!

I will lump both of your questions into one post because they have the same answer.

It's not that many gays don't enjoy Disney Land/World for what it is, it is just it may not be a top priority vacation on its own, but the prospect of going there with other gay people as a group may give it a higher priority. It is sort of like sweetening the pot. many people feel it's more fun to go as a group than to go alone.

Also, with Disney catering primarily to families with children, single people or couples (gay or straight) may feel uncomfortable at the more children oriented parks and may not go at all because of it. But going with people just like them helps to eliminate that uncomfortableness.

[betwixt]

Going to an event that you know there will be others that share some commonality with you, is not that out of the ordinary.

If the park only admitted those with that commanality, that would be "special" treatment.

[Quid]

Can you imagine the screaming that would be done and the implications made if a bunch of white people said that?

You're free to organize an all white outing to Disney if you want, they won't turn you away.

Yes, I can imagine it, because of your "screaming" when gays say it.

[Ballygrl]

You're free to organize an all white outing to Disney if you want, they won't turn you away.

Yes, I can imagine it, because of your "screaming" when gays say it.

I find it more interesting that people who scream about inclusion separate themselves from society. I think the fact that some people feel as though gay families can go to Disney anytime and not need a special day, that's says more about acceptance yet that goes un-noticed and it again comes down to separating from society.

[terri910]

I will lump both of your questions into one post because they have the same answer.

It's not that many gays don't enjoy Disney Land/World for what it is, it is just it may not be a top priority vacation on its own, but the prospect of going there with other gay people as a group may give it a higher priority. It is sort of like sweetening the pot. many people feel it's more fun to go as a group than to go alone.

Also, with Disney catering primarily to families with children, single people or couples (gay or straight) may feel uncomfortable at the more children oriented parks and may not go at all because of it. But going with people just like them helps to eliminate that uncomfortableness.
Which is the long version of "I misspoke"?

[Quid]

Which is the long version of "I misspoke"?

I am sorry, I don't think I understand what you are getting at. :redface:
Did I misunderstand what you were trying to say?

[Stuball]

I find it more interesting that people who scream about inclusion separate themselves from society. I think the fact that some people feel as though gay families can go to Disney anytime and not need a special day, that's says more about acceptance yet that goes un-noticed and it again comes down to separating from society.
They can go more than once. If they enjoy being with their Gay friends.My job organizes trips to Met and Yankee Games .I go with them and I also go on my own. Sometimes I enjoy hanging out with my co-workers sometimes I dont .Should the Mets and Yankees stop offering sales of more then 4 tickets?How does an unofficial Gay Day at Disney affect you .......other than your fantasy of women hitting on you because you look good in red?

[smyrna]

If Disney wants to cater to gays and I don't approve, then I won't do any business with them. This is America. It will hit them where it hurts. Much more than that comes from darkness.

[Quid]

I find it more interesting that people who scream about inclusion separate themselves from society. I think the fact that some people feel as though gay families can go to Disney anytime and not need a special day, that's says more about acceptance yet that goes un-noticed and it again comes down to separating from society.

gay people who organize a group outing with each other are not separating themselves from society. As I have repeatedly said, this is no different than any other group outing.

Families of cub scouts can go anytime they want as well, but I am sure most would prefer to go with other scouting families as a group. Why? because of common interest and a special connection that they share. I am sure no one would accuse the cub scouts of separating themselves from society if they organized a special day at Disney World.

[Stuball]

If Disney wants to cater to gays and I don't approve, then I won't do any business with them. This is America. It will hit them where it hurts. Much more than that comes from darkness.
Did you even read the OP?

[terri910]

I am sorry, I don't think I understand what you are getting at. :redface:
Did I misunderstand what you were trying to say?
Never mind...*L*

[terri910]

Did you even read the OP?
What makes you think smyrna didn't?

[angelicmadrigal]

That's your choice. I don't care.

Your lack of caring or not doesn't concern me. Your opinion is contemptable.

[angelicmadrigal]

Gamers gonna get their day at Disney?

A hardcore gamer in my opinion wouldn't be caught dead at Disney. It's an anethema to the lifestyle. We prefer Ren Faires.

[smyrna]

Did you even read the OP?


Not the part included in the stimulous package.:D

[Quid]

A hardcore gamer in my opinion wouldn't be caught dead at Disney. It's an anethema to the lifestyle. We prefer Ren Faires.

I am a gamer and wouldn't be caught dead at Ren Faires :razz:
Then again, I do World of Darkness LARPS like Vampire: The Requiem.

[Stuball]

What makes you think smyrna didn't?
Because of the comment of Disney catering to Gays

Disney had no part in organizing Gay Day

[angelicmadrigal]

Don't we all get marginalized in some place or part of our lives?

In my case I've given society the big middle finger. The nice thing about being marginalized is the satisfaction of knowing that you aren't a part of the stupidity around you.

Society has it's uses, but apart from those it's a worthless construct. Be apart of it as little as you have to to sustain your lifestyle, and then the rest of the time say "**** You" and do what you want. I am a lot happier when I tell certain kinds of people to get the hell out of my face, and just do what I want.

[angelicmadrigal]

I am a gamer and wouldn't be caught dead at Ren Faires :razz:
Then again, I do World of Darkness LARPS like Vampire: The Requiem.

If you're a member of the Cam you're dead to me.

[Quid]

If you're a member of the Cam you're dead to me.

I am indeed a Venue Storyteller in the Camarilla, yes ;)

[betwixt]

I am a gamer and wouldn't be caught dead at Ren Faires :razz:
Then again, I do World of Darkness LARPS like Vampire: The Requiem.


Sweet I'm a gamer too. Maybe we should have a "Gamer" day at Disney??.....

Naw, all the non gamers would not get why we would want to hang out and start screaming.

[Quid]

Sweet I'm a gamer too. Maybe we should have a "Gamer" day at Disney??.....

Naw, all the non gamers would not get why we would want to hang out and start screaming.

Ha! we should have a giant LARP in the middle of disney world, it would be hysterical. I can see it now:

"Mommy why is that man wearing a cape and yelling 'lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!' ?"

[Stuball]

Ha! we should have a giant LARP in the middle of disney world, it would be hysterical. I can see it now:

"Mommy why is that man wearing a cape and yelling 'lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!' ?"
Why should we have to cater to the Gamer Lifestyle?:D

[smyrna]

Because of the comment of Disney catering to Gays

Disney had no part in organizing Gay Day

I wouldn't be so sure...

In allowing Ellen Morgan to come out, Disney cautiously moves toward public support of gay issues. With this new openness extend to the company's own gay employees?
While Ellen DeGeneres and ABC are being lauded for their courage in letting Ellen out of the closet later this month, the Walt Disney Co.--parent of both ABC and Ellen--is arguably the player with the most at stake. Presenting prime time's first principal gay character would be risky business for any studio, but Disney has been built on a traditionally wholesome, all-American image that may well vanish in a cloud ...
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19511078.html

[AeroEngineer]

Disney makes a **** ton of money from Gay Days.

Why do you hate the free market?

[Quid]

Disney makes a **** ton of money from Gay Days.

Why do you hate the free market?

They may not be officially sponsoring it but they sure as hell realize that gay money is just as green as straight money. :D

[Quid]

Why should we have to cater to the Gamer Lifestyle?:D

Why do you hate equal rights for alternative hobbies?

more importantly why do you hate America?


:D

[terri910]

In my case I've given society the big middle finger. The nice thing about being marginalized is the satisfaction of knowing that you aren't a part of the stupidity around you.

Society has it's uses, but apart from those it's a worthless construct. Be apart of it as little as you have to to sustain your lifestyle, and then the rest of the time say "**** You" and do what you want. I am a lot happier when I tell certain kinds of people to get the hell out of my face, and just do what I want.
For some reason I'm reminded of a saying I think was attributed to Lucy (of the Peanuts comic strip):

I love mankind, it's people I can't stand.

[AeroEngineer]

They may not be officially sponsoring it but they sure as hell realize that gay money is just as green as straight money. :D


What do these people expect Disney to do? NOT make a killing off of an unofficial event? :D


And by the way, if anyone is going to be in Orlando that week and doesn't want to catch the gay, Holy Land Experience is 10 minutes up the road. For some reason, I don't think there will be very many red shirts there.

[AeroEngineer]

Oh look, June 27th is Star Wars day at Disney!

http://www.starwarsdisneyland.com/


Why can't these people just be normal like everyone else? Can you imagine the shouting if STAR TREK fans were to organize a day like this?

[AeroEngineer]

Get your pitchforks ready- Christian Music concerts officially sponsored by Disney:


http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/guides/magickingdom/events/night-of-joy.htm

Why do Christians get special music events at the park? This is an outrage!

[Joeybear23]

My question is why do they have to target child-oriented theme parks?

I'd be just as irritated if a swingers group decided to have a meetup at Disney World...

[terri910]

Because of the comment of Disney catering to Gays

Disney had no part in organizing Gay Day
Oh, because of some idea that Disney organized the day?
Did you ask Quid if he even read the OP?
So, it is odd for Disney and other parks to organize a special event for a particular subset of paying customers?
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53479341&postcount=3
Many amusement parks organize events for Father's Day. So which is it?? Do fathers want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53480231&postcount=8
It ends when the amusement park doesn't envision making any profit off of certain groups. They may not make enough money on a Gamer day to offset the costs of running the park, thus no special promotion. As long as the parks are making money on Gay days, then they will continue to hold them. The special days also have the added benefit of luring people in who may not ordinarily come.
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53487791&postcount=47

No, you didn't (I know, because I just re-read through the entire thread).

I just find that interesting.

[Quid]

My question is why do they have to target child-oriented theme parks?

I'd be just as irritated if a swingers group decided to have a meetup at Disney World...

Contrary to popular belief, most* gays are not sexual perverts out to recruit children, but instead are average people living average lives who like to go to Disney World like other average people.



*I say most because there are always a few bad eggs.

[AeroEngineer]

My question is why do they have to target child-oriented theme parks?

I'd be just as irritated if a swingers group decided to have a meetup at Disney World...


I'd say that's a fair concern. Gay events often are more sexual than should be appropriate for a family park.

One of my friends works as a manager for Disney, and they do try to keep Gay Days as family friendly as possible... but this is their priority with any event.

They actually have a lot of problems with explicit behavior during High School Graduation/Prom events. You don't even want to hear some of the stories, but suffice it to say- stay out of the Swiss Family Robinson tree house.

[terri910]

My question is why do they have to target child-oriented theme parks?

I'd be just as irritated if a swingers group decided to have a meetup at Disney World...
Well, the second group you mentioned probably HAVE had such meetups, but probably didn't feel the need to let everyone know about it.

But if they wanted to have maximum shock-value impact, they would.

Perhaps a bit like that Phelps fellow and his followers making sure everyone knows when and where they are going to protest at the funerals of US military personnel.

[Joeybear23]

Contrary to popular belief, most* gays are not sexual perverts out to recruit children, but instead are average people living average lives who like to go to Disney World like other average people.



*I say most because there are always a few bad eggs.

Why don't you take a stab at percentage of tickets sold at Disney World are for children or parents with small children?
I don't know, but I would be willing to bet it's more than a slight majority...

[Quid]

Oh, because of some idea that Disney organized the day?
Did you ask Quid if he even read the OP?

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53479341&postcount=3

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53480231&postcount=8

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53487791&postcount=47

No, you didn't (I know, because I just re-read through the entire thread).

I just find that interesting.

Since you just read the thread, you might realize that I dropped that line of reasoning when I realized I was wrong ;)

[Ballygrl]

They can go more than once. If they enjoy being with their Gay friends.My job organizes trips to Met and Yankee Games .I go with them and I also go on my own. Sometimes I enjoy hanging out with my co-workers sometimes I dont .Should the Mets and Yankees stop offering sales of more then 4 tickets?How does an unofficial Gay Day at Disney affect you .......other than your fantasy of women hitting on you because you look good in red?

As usual you missed the whole point. We keep hearing that minority groups want to be treated equally, to me equality means no special days for select groups at places like Disney etc. If it has to do with singles getting together at Disney minus kids? well there are single and married straight people who don't have kids, so why are they excluded? and my point about red? wasn't that I would be hit upon, but I like the color red, so since red is set aside for gay day at Disney then I pretty much can't wear it since I'm not gay.

[Quid]

Why don't you take a stab at percentage of tickets sold at Disney World are for children or parents with small children?
I don't know, but I would be willing to bet it's more than a slight majority...

What does that have to do with gay people going to Disney World?

[Stuball]

Oh, because of some idea that Disney organized the day?
Did you ask Quid if he even read the OP?

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53479341&postcount=3

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53480231&postcount=8

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53487791&postcount=47

No, you didn't (I know, because I just re-read through the entire thread).

I just find that interesting.
Because he had acknoleged it prior to that

[terri910]

Since you just read the thread, you might realize that I dropped that line of reasoning when I realized I was wrong ;)
Actually, I didn't "just read the thread" I said I just RE-read the thread. So I already knew you dropped one line of reasoning. That wasn't the point I was making. The point was that one poster (you) did not get the same reaction from Stuball as another poster (smyrna), even though you both made the same assumption. As I said, I find that interesting.

[Ballygrl]

Get your pitchforks ready- Christian Music concerts officially sponsored by Disney:


http://www.wdwinfo.com/wdwinfo/guides/magickingdom/events/night-of-joy.htm

Why do Christians get special music events at the park? This is an outrage!

Does Disney have an official "Christian Day" at Disney?

[Stuball]

Why don't you take a stab at percentage of tickets sold at Disney World are for children or parents with small children?
I don't know, but I would be willing to bet it's more than a slight majority...
Your point being?

[Quid]

Does Disney have an official "Christian Day" at Disney?

More importantly, why do Christian music fans need a special day at disney? Aren't they just separating themselves from society?

[Joeybear23]

Your point being?

Read the post I was replying to... it's the post that suggests Disney World isn't a child-oriented theme park.

[Quid]

Read the post I was replying to... it's the post that suggests Disney World isn't a child-oriented theme park.

Where did I suggest that Disney World wasn't child-oriented?! I just said that most gay people enjoy disney world as much as any average person.

[terri910]

Because he had acknoleged it prior to that
..prior to "that" what? What was the "that" that marked the point at which people who thought Disney had somehow organized or sponsored the event somehow must not have "even read the OP"?

[Ballygrl]

More importantly, why do Christian music fans need a special day at disney? Aren't they just separating themselves from society?

Christians only get music, gay people get an entire day dedicated to them, see how this works?

[Stuball]

As usual you missed the whole point. We keep hearing that minority groups want to be treated equally, to me equality means no special days for select groups at places like Disney etc. If it has to do with singles getting together at Disney minus kids? well there are single and married straight people who don't have kids, so why are they excluded? and my point about red? wasn't that I would be hit upon, but I like the color red, so since red is set aside for gay day at Disney then I pretty much can't wear it since I'm not gay.
NO ONE IS EXCLUDED FROM GOING TO DISNEY ANY DAY OF THE YEAR
DISNEY IS NOT ORGANIZING THIS EVENT
There is no special day.Are you against other groups organizing trips to Disney?There are maried Gays tooThere are Gays with kids too.
No one is excluded form gong to Disney any of thise daays or any other day of the year The OP freely stated that fact.
Red is not set aside for Gays .You can wear any color that makes you happy.

[AeroEngineer]

Does Disney have an official "Christian Day" at Disney?

Not to my knowledge, but they don't have an official gay day, either.


But I know for a fact they don't have a concert night featuring Mellisa Etheridge, Elton John, Pet Shop Boys, etc etc

[Joeybear23]

Where did I suggest that Disney World wasn't child-oriented?! I just said that most gay people enjoy disney world as much as any average person.

When your statement is made as a response to my question as to why they are targeting a child-oriented them park, it is an implied attempt at refuting my suggestion.

This "Gay Days" plan is not simply a decision to enjoy Disney World "as much as the other guy."

[Quid]

Christians only get music, gay people get an entire day dedicated to them, see how this works?

The Christian Music fans get officially sponsored by the park! that is more than the gays get!

Why begrudge the gays 14 hours when the straights get the other 8,746 hours in the year?

[Ballygrl]

NO ONE IS EXCLUDED FROM GOING TO DISNEY ANY DAY OF THE YEAR
DISNEY IS NOT ORGANIZING THIS EVENT
There is no special day.Are you against other groups organizing trips to Disney?There are maried Gays tooThere are Gays with kids too.
No one is excluded form gong to Disney any of thise daays or any other day of the year The OP freely stated that fact.
Red is not set aside for Gays .You can wear any color that makes you happy.

Oh my! someone took a cranky pill I see! :snooty:

Now who do I talk to about setting up a Brooklyn Native/Irish/Italian/Catholic/Heterosexual/Brunette/Over 40/Conservative Day at Disney?

[terri910]

NO ONE IS EXCLUDED FROM GOING TO DISNEY ANY DAY OF THE YEAR
I believe this is the case, now days.

Back in the day, however, groups could "rent" Disneyland for private parties. Regular park hours were sometimes curtailed for those private parties and the public WAS excluded from entrance during those private parties.

People used to get pretty upset when they discovered that the hours they thought they would have to spend at Disneyland were reduced.

[Stuball]

Read the post I was replying to... it's the post that suggests Disney World isn't a child-oriented theme park.
Where does Quid make that sugestion?
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53500461&postcount=111

[Ballygrl]

The Christian Music fans get officially sponsored by the park! that is more than the gays get!

Why begrudge the gays 14 hours when the straights get the other 8,746 hours in the year?

Thank You for making my point! gay people aren't excluded from Disney ever, they can go anytime heterosexuals go.

[terri910]

Oh my! someone took a cranky pill I see! :snooty:
But at least you know Disney didn't organize it...*s*

Now who do I talk to about setting up a Brooklyn Native/Irish/Italian/Catholic/Heterosexual/Brunette/Over 40/Conservative Day at Disney?
So, get your group together! I'd join you, except I'm a California native and blonde.

I am so excluded. :lol:

[Joeybear23]

The Christian Music fans get officially sponsored by the park! that is more than the gays get!

Why begrudge the gays 14 hours when the straights get the other 8,746 hours in the year?

I tell you I'd be ticked if I traveled halfway across the country with my whole family only to have our vacation ruined by a "loud & proud" event aimed at taking over the the park and being in everyone's face about it...

[Ballygrl]

Where does Quid make that sugestion?
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53500461&postcount=111

Quid did make the comment somewhere in this thead that gay people might enjoy going to Disney on gay day because there would be less kids around, and I actually agree with that point.

[Joeybear23]

Where does Quid make that sugestion?
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53500461&postcount=111

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53501511&postcount=130

[Ballygrl]

But at least you know Disney didn't organize it...*s*


So, get your group together! I'd join you, except I'm a California native and blonde.

I am so excluded. :lol:

:))

You California Blondes get everything, let us have our day! :)

[Stuball]

Christians only get music, gay people get an entire day dedicated to them, see how this works?
WHO IS DEDICATING THE DAY TO GAYS ?????
This is not sanctioned by Disney........

[Quid]

When your statement is made as a response to my question as to why they are targeting a child-oriented them park, it is an implied attempt at refuting my suggestion.

So you assumed that because I simply responded to a common implication about the character of gay people that I objected to the notion that Disney was for children?! Whoa, that is reaching.

This "Gay Days" plan is not simply a decision to enjoy Disney World "as much as the other guy."
How do you know? I am guessing you assume that gay people will take any chance to make a political statement rather than enjoy a nice day at a popular amusement park.

[Ballygrl]

WHO IS DEDICATING THE DAY TO GAYS ?????
This is not sanctioned by Disney........

It's not promoted by Disney at all? like I believe that!

[terri910]

WHO IS DEDICATING THE DAY TO GAYS ?????

Gays.

Shouting is bad internet etiquette. :lol:

[terri910]

It's not promoted by Disney at all? like I believe that!
Check out Disney's website and search "Gay Day".

You will find nothing.

[Joeybear23]

So you assumed that because I simply responded to a common implication about the character of gay people that I objected to the notion that Disney was for children?! Whoa, that is reaching.
You would think that a group trying to get away from that stereotype would NOT target a child's park for their event...


How do you know? I am guessing you assume that gay people will take any chance to make a political statement rather than enjoy a nice day at a popular amusement park.
What is "Gay Days" if not a political statement?

[Quid]

Oh my! someone took a cranky pill I see! :snooty:

Now who do I talk to about setting up a Brooklyn Native/Irish/Italian/Catholic/Heterosexual/Brunette/Over 40/Conservative Day at Disney?

How about talking to other Brooklyn Native/Irish/Italian/Catholic/Heterosexual/Brunette/Over 40/Conservative people and organizing a meet up in Orlando.

[Joeybear23]

Check out Disney's website and search "Gay Day".

You will find nothing.

I wish they'd put it on the calendar... at least give parents a heads-up.

[terri910]

I wish they'd put it on the calendar... at least give parents a heads-up.
Joey's point in a nutshell.

I happen to agree.

Of course, I also think cruise lines ought to let people over 25 years old know exactly when Spring Break weeks are so they can avoid booking cruises during that time period. Talk about in-your-face!!!

[Ballygrl]

Check out Disney's website and search "Gay Day".

You will find nothing.

I think it's quietly promoted by Disney through the media and Hollywood.

[Quid]

You would think that a group trying to get away from that stereotype would NOT target a child's park for their event...


only a miniscule number of people actually believe the child molester stereotype anymore.


What is "Gay Days" if not a political statement?

Perhaps it is exactly what is stated, a get together to enjoy the park with a group of similar people.

[AeroEngineer]

It's not promoted by Disney at all? like I believe that!


It's not. Employees aren't even allowed to call it "gay day."

[terri910]

I think it's quietly promoted by Disney through the media and Hollywood.
I think it is not-quietly promoted by Gay/Lesbian groups through the media and whatever means they have.

[AeroEngineer]

I wish they'd put it on the calendar... at least give parents a heads-up.

But if they did that, people (like some posters in this thread) would lose their heads about it being a park-sanctioned event.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Stuball]

Oh my! someone took a cranky pill I see! :snooty:

Now who do I talk to about setting up a Brooklyn Native/Irish/Italian/Catholic/Heterosexual/Brunette/Over 40/Conservative Day at Disney?
Sorry..........I was upset because Joan Rivers lied to Howard Stern:D
I think you could more easily organize a Celebrity Apprentice Fan Club outing

[Stuball]

I tell you I'd be ticked if I traveled halfway across the country with my whole family only to have our vacation ruined by a "loud & proud" event aimed at taking over the the park and being in everyone's face about it...
They accomplish alll this just By wearing Red?

[Stuball]

Quid did make the comment somewhere in this thead that gay people might enjoy going to Disney on gay day because there would be less kids around, and I actually agree with that point.
I would too.If I ever went again would be in October when most kids are in school

[terri910]

They accomplish alll this just By wearing Red?
Well....that and PDA's.

Not unlike the various PD's by college kids during Spring Break.

It's just a really nice thing to know when events that you KNOW bring an increased percentage of "PD" type people, are going to be held.

[Stuball]

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=53501511&postcount=130
Your opinion ............Made by reading something into his statement that wasnt there

[Stuball]

It's not promoted by Disney at all? like I believe that!
Read the OP
Go to their website
Find it and I will admit you are right

[Quid]

Well....that and PDA's.

Not unlike the various PD's by college kids during Spring Break.

It's just a really nice thing to know when events that you KNOW bring an increased percentage of "PD" type people, are going to be held.

because two men holding hands is going to scar your children for life?

[Stuball]

I just realized everybody went to bed except me


Goodnight All

[Quid]

I just realized everybody went to bed except me


Goodnight All

I think you are right.

I'm out.

[Joeybear23]

But if they did that, people (like some posters in this thread) would lose their heads about it being a park-sanctioned event.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

For the record, it is AeroEngineer that's suggesting teh gays are damned...

[terri910]

because two men holding hands is going to scar your children for life?
You rather like assuming and projecting, don't you?

Not exactly the kind of PDA's I was thinking of....but probably not something most parents of young children want to have to be explaining on their family vacation.

No, I was thinking of the more extreme public displays that would make sense in the context of the posts that were being quoted.

[AeroEngineer]

For the record, it is AeroEngineer that's suggesting teh gays are damned...


TRICKERY! :razz:

[Camp]

Interesting responses. This is the one I thought got to the heart of the matter..."Also, with Disney catering primarily to families with children, single people or couples (gay or straight) may feel uncomfortable at the more children oriented parks and may not go at all because of it. But going with people just like them helps to eliminate that uncomfortableness."

In a real sense that sounds benign enough, but when you really peer through the veneer of that statement you see the agenda is not about sharing the park. It is about excluding traditional families to the enjoyment of the gay group as I read it.

Also, it is not one day anymore. The gaydays events are June 2 through the 8th and even have their own website for the "unofficial" events. As if Disney would not shut that down if not with its own tacit approval. Daycare centers have had to remove homemade Micky Mouse's panted on the wall for crying out loud.

The "host" hotel is on Disney property.

The event has become so unsavory a homosexual who happens to be an Orlando resident and runs a website dedicated to Disney visits has claimed he will no longer attend and one of his reasons is that the drugs and night events have attracted too many troublemakers and law enforcement.

Let me also emphasize that the Magic Kingdom is for childern and I would think this would not be an appropriate place for people to wear colored shirts that identify them by sexuality.

None of this strikes me as a step in the direction of acceptance, but rather an orchestrated attempt to garner publicity and inflate numbers for political influence. The website claims 140,000 gay attendees, which is probably ten times the actual number in my skeptical opinion. So much for a couple girls holding hands scarring childrens minds when they only want to see Buzz Lightyear.

If one wants to search around they can find that this week is the one cast members dread the most. Opinion is beautiful in that everyone has their own.

[betwixt]

The Christian Music fans get officially sponsored by the park! that is more than the gays get!

Why begrudge the gays 14 hours when the straights get the other 8,746 hours in the year?

Dude, you were doing good until you said this.
If a group of people that share some commonality or interest and want to gather at a theme park that is cool. What your are stating is closer to setting aside a "special" day just for your group.

Do you think that in those 8.746 hours that no gays attend?

[angelicmadrigal]

I am indeed a Venue Storyteller in the Camarilla, yes ;)

Oh god ::wrinkles nose:: disgusting. I actually can't stand White Wolf, the company.

[angelicmadrigal]

Why should we have to cater to the Gamer Lifestyle?:D

Because we're awesome, that's why.

[angelicmadrigal]

Ha! we should have a giant LARP in the middle of disney world, it would be hysterical. I can see it now:

"Mommy why is that man wearing a cape and yelling 'lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!' ?"

Actually a more freaky game to play would be Ninja Burger.

[angelicmadrigal]

Oh look, June 27th is Star Wars day at Disney!

http://www.starwarsdisneyland.com/


Why can't these people just be normal like everyone else? Can you imagine the shouting if STAR TREK fans were to organize a day like this?

It would be awesome.

[angelicmadrigal]

Oh my! someone took a cranky pill I see! :snooty:

Now who do I talk to about setting up a Brooklyn Native/Irish/Italian/Catholic/Heterosexual/Brunette/Over 40/Conservative Day at Disney?

YOu have to find a group just like you and organize the trip yourself.

[Buffalo]

Disney is gay. First hint was peter pan, then came zach efron and now this.

[Camp]

Actually I would think Disney would be just the opposite of what a gay group would want for a good time venue.

Of course it just might be me...

Anyway he is an exerpt from one Orlando resident who saw enough troubling images to speak out on his website...“Go get a room”.

Of course one persons opinion is still one persons opinion, but it does make me wonder...Why?

You can read the rest of the opinion here. http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-gay-days.htm

One thing I really do not get is a sense of reciprosity in the tolerance department on this phenomena.

That’s exactly what I feel like yelling this time every year as Gay Days descend upon Orlando. I know that during the first week in June, unsuspecting families and otherwise good and reasonable people will, at times, be confronted with images and events they would probably rather not see or experience on their family vacation. These people paid to visit Disney World, but during the first week in June, it looks a lot more like South Beach.

For the record, I’m a 42 year old gay man living in Orlando. I’ve been to Gay Days before, and thought it was a little bit over the top, but always bit my lip – especially here on the site. This year though, it just seems completely out of control, and I wanted to get this off my chest.

I’ve watched over the years as Gay Days has grown in scope and size. What once was a small group of well meaning gay men and lesbians has grown – and in my opinion, deformed – into what is now nothing more than a vile spectacle of self indulgence and indecency.

[Pudge]

Lol, here at the Sean Hannity forums, there are so few cultural conservatives any more that the homophiles can immediately take over any thread on homosexual perversion.

What a crying shame that is.

Just Big Tent Republicanism at work, I guess.

"Homophiles"? What is this, 1955?

[Pudge]

I never celebrate my sexuality at Disney(or the supermarket,or the bank,or work,or the beach) nor do I need a special day set aside there for it.

Disney is an amusement park. Go and have fun like everyone else. But to seek or expect a special day for a type of sexuality is bizarre.

Every subculture has their traditions. This has been going on at Disney for 18 years now, and every year, people still bitch about it. Hey, really, if it bothers you to be around gay people, don't go that day, or week, whatever, that's fine, but enough with the tired outrage over it (not you, Dreamy, the others). It's getting harder and harder to gin up the sentiment because most people realize-

There's nothing to be afraid of.

[Apatriot]

Just want to give folks a heads up on the festivities planned for the first week in June. Emphasis is mine...

Orlando Florida’s Gay Days Celebration is not a single event. It is a total gay and lesbian vacation experience. Gay Days is comprised of multiple events staged at world famous attractions, gay & lesbian clubs, and unique venues secured for the purpose of creating a gay and lesbian atmosphere at Orlando's greatest theme parks and at multiple parties occurring during this long weekend. We have young, old, all races and beliefs, parents, gay AA groups, and every other section of our community attending Gay Days each year.

Gay Days began in 1991 as a single designated day (always the first Saturday in June) when the LesBiGay community and friends were
encouraged to "Wear Red and Be Seen" while visiting the world’s most popular theme park. From it’s beginnings (spearheaded by the GLBT Community Center, local activists, businesses, and the online friends and users of Compu-Who) with 3,000 attendees, this one-day park visit has evolved into a week long, citywide celebration offering round the clock activities including multiple theme park visits, cocktail soirees, concerts, and a host of internationally renowned parties. Gay Days attracts over 135,000 celebrants from across the nation and around the globe!


While the park is open to all on any day of the year I really have to question the desire to wear red and be "seen" in an area like the Magic Kingdom on the first Saturday in June. The concept isn't so radical and shocking anymore so why take over a children's theme park? Is it the magic of Disney or the looks on the faces of families who did not see the invasion coming? I am sure there are a good many guffaws to be had every year. Lots of pictures around of all the unique gay Disney fun that could not be had any other week of the year.

I do feel bad for Disney as they must walk a fine line between guests who have very different agendas for family fun.

At some point folks must realize the shock wears off and it is all just very juvenile, at least it is to me.

Plan your vacations wisely.

A few things: 1) This isn't an official Disney happening.
2) I agree with you on the choice of the date. Practically speaking, since most gays don't have children, why don't they go to Disney in May when a) it's less crowded and b) the weather is nicer. If I didn't have kids, there is no way I would ever contemplate a visit to Disney in June. I would choose September, October, Early December (first two weeks), or May. All times with better weather and less crowds.
3) The good thing is that this is publicized, and you can avoid it, should you wish to.

[Pudge]

Actually I would think Disney would be just the opposite of what a gay group would want for a good time venue.

Of course it just might be me...

Anyway he is an exerpt from one Orlando resident who saw enough troubling images to speak out on his website...“Go get a room”.

Of course one persons opinion is still one persons opinion, but it does make me wonder...Why?

You can read the rest of the opinion here. http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-gay-days.htm

One thing I really do not get is a sense of reciprosity in the tolerance department on this phenomena.

That’s exactly what I feel like yelling this time every year as Gay Days descend upon Orlando. I know that during the first week in June, unsuspecting families and otherwise good and reasonable people will, at times, be confronted with images and events they would probably rather not see or experience on their family vacation. These people paid to visit Disney World, but during the first week in June, it looks a lot more like South Beach.

For the record, I’m a 42 year old gay man living in Orlando. I’ve been to Gay Days before, and thought it was a little bit over the top, but always bit my lip – especially here on the site. This year though, it just seems completely out of control, and I wanted to get this off my chest.

I’ve watched over the years as Gay Days has grown in scope and size. What once was a small group of well meaning gay men and lesbians has grown – and in my opinion, deformed – into what is now nothing more than a vile spectacle of self indulgence and indecency.

I'm not going to say that there aren't people in our community that should practice a little more restraint. It is up to us to police our own behavior lest others hostile to us define us all by the worst examples.

See, I don't live in Orlando, but if I did, I would be quite outspoken against people who make us look bad. What I don't like, though, is the notion that because there are a few people who take license to do whatever they want in public, that there shouldn't be a Gay Day celebration at all.

There are still people who have the old mindset that a large group of gay men (and let's face it, it's us guys, I've never seen lesbians being inappropriate in public at gay events) means, hey, do whatever, but that's changing with the times. Yeah, I get that we shouldn't treat Gay Day like Mardi Gras, but I don't believe that this is a large portion of what goes on down there, and if Disney would enforce policies against inappropriate acts, there wouldn't be a problem.

[Apatriot]

So which is it?? Do gays want to be like everyone else or do they want special treatment?

There is no special treatment, at least not by Disney. For Disney, it is a business day, just like any other. Now, some hotels in the area may be catering to gay customers that week, but Disney just keeps it's parks open, like they do every other day of the year.

[Buffalo]

I'm not going to say that there aren't people in our community that should practice a little more restraint. It is up to us to police our own behavior lest others hostile to us define us all by the worst examples.

See, I don't live in Orlando, but if I did, I would be quite outspoken against people who make us look bad. What I don't like, though, is the notion that because there are a few people who take license to do whatever they want in public, that there shouldn't be a Gay Day celebration at all.

There are still people who have the old mindset that a large group of gay men (and let's face it, it's us guys, I've never seen lesbians being inappropriate in public at gay events) means, hey, do whatever, but that's changing with the times. Yeah, I get that we shouldn't treat Gay Day like Mardi Gras, but I don't believe that this is a large portion of what goes on down there, and if Disney would enforce policies against inappropriate acts, there wouldn't be a problem.
That seems to be the gist of it. Just like any large group of people there will be some who act inappropriately. The park has lots of policies against this, just enforce them.

[Apatriot]

No problem. But why the need for a special day at an amusement park? Gamers gonna get their day at Disney? How about women in their 40s? :angel: When does it end?


Disney doesn't sponsor these days. It's all done by a group of gay activists, who organized it, and now it's almost automatic, like a holiday. It's usually the first full week in June or so.

[JimGP20]

Your lack of caring or not doesn't concern me. Your opinion is contemptable.

Once again.... your opinion of my opinion does not matter one bit. If you had bothered to ask questions about why my opinion is what it is, instead of assuming the worst, then perhaps we could have gotten somewhere, but since you are so full of loathing, I would bet that you're not really interested in understanding.

[Camp]

A few things: 1) This isn't an official Disney happening.
2) I agree with you on the choice of the date. Practically speaking, since most gays don't have children, why don't they go to Disney in May when a) it's less crowded and b) the weather is nicer. If I didn't have kids, there is no way I would ever contemplate a visit to Disney in June. I would choose September, October, Early December (first two weeks), or May. All times with better weather and less crowds.
3) The good thing is that this is publicized, and you can avoid it, should you wish to.


It is not "official" so that Disney can walk the tightrope of being accomodating to all. Disney has shut down much less associative content than is found on the gaydays website for image and copy right infringement in the past so the fact that they overlook this one tells me that Disney gives the event approval without appearing to do so.

The timing is very odd. Most schools are finished for the summer and the hot days have not yet fully arrived. September or May would be better for avoiding familes and children if that were desireable, but would that be as much "fun."

Good thing the information can be found. Are there still families that are surprised? Are there others with limited vacation time blocks?

And really why be so flaunting?

Just go and wear any old color shirt and imagineer that everyone is there just to have fun. No more. No less.

[Dreamy]

Disney doesn't sponsor these days. It's all done by a group of gay activists, who organized it, and now it's almost automatic, like a holiday. It's usually the first full week in June or so.


Gotcha. Well free country and all. lol

[Pudge]

It is not "official" so that Disney can walk the tightrope of being accomodating to all. Disney has shut down much less associative content than is found on the gaydays website for image and copy right infringement in the past so the fact that they overlook this one tells me that Disney gives the event approval without appearing to do so.

Disney has a high percentage of LGBT employees. Not surprising that they don't pressure ad sites for Gay Days to stop using imagery.

The timing is very odd. Most schools are finished for the summer and the hot days have not yet fully arrived. September or May would be better for avoiding familes and children if that were desireable, but would that be as much "fun."

I find this insulting, as if gay people should be hidden from view, like families and "children" need to be protected from seeing us. How much longer should gay people skulk around on the fringes of society?

really why be so flaunting?

Simply acknowledging our orientation publically, to no more extreme than heterosexual individuals, couples, or families, is flaunting?

Just go and wear any old color shirt and imagineer that everyone is there just to have fun. No more. No less.

Edited answer:

Because we are a community that cannot be identified simply by initial appearance, and if we wish to congregate in one spot for a specific purpose or celebration, we have to do something to stand out.

I had to edit because I thought that you were the 42 year old gay man in the opinion piece. You stated that it was an excerpt but didn't use quote tags or separate it woth quotation marks or an indent from the main body of your post.

[Dim Reefer]

Sometimes it's nice to get togther with a group of people who are like you. I'm a gamer, I'd rather go someplace with other gamers than people who don't get me.

So being a gamer isn't a choice? If it's not, then can there be a black day, white day, male day, or female day?

[Dim Reefer]

How's the world look from the inside of a closet, Camp?

He probably could fit in one. You didn't have a chioce did you :D

[Camp]

Disney has a high percentage of LGBT employees. Not surprising that they don't pressure ad sites for Gay Days to stop using imagery.



I find this insulting, as if gay people should be hidden from view, like families and "children" need to be protected from seeing us. How much longer should gay people skulk around on the fringes of society?



Simply acknowledging our orientation publically, to no more extreme than heterosexual individuals, couples, or families, is flaunting?



How's the world look from the inside of a closet, Camp?

Your strident attitude is what I would seek to avoid and you obliged us all by showing it off here in this thread. Go ahead and get good and offended if that is how you choose to react. There is no good reason to color code sexuality at a childs theme park.

Enjoy commandeering Cinderella's Castle from the kiddies from June 2 to the 8th 2009. Maybe next year gaydays can try for two weeks since it is so wonderful for all.

Children are the clientelle the theme park is marketed to. Responsible people would protect their innocence and keep adult sexuality issues from them at the ages that frequent the Magic Kingdom.

I would urge you to bring more to this discussion than what I have seen so far.

[Livey]

Isn't everyday at Disney gay?

[Dreamy]

Every subculture has their traditions. This has been going on at Disney for 18 years now, and every year, people still bitch about it. Hey, really, if it bothers you to be around gay people, don't go that day, or week, whatever, that's fine, but enough with the tired outrage over it (not you, Dreamy, the others). It's getting harder and harder to gin up the sentiment because most people realize-

There's nothing to be afraid of.

Ok so people get together as cub scouts and bowlers and Irish and Spanish and alumni. But get together because of a shared sexuality? Just seems silly.

I don't ever gather with my friends or people cos of our shared sexuality.

Who chooses friends based on how they have sex,how they couple or how they love? And damn who socializes/gathers that way except maybe swingers.

[betwixt]

Ok so people get together as cub scouts and bowlers and Irish and Spanish and alumni. But get together because of a shared sexuality? Just seems silly.

I don't ever gather with my friends or people cos of our shared sexuality.

Who chooses friends based on how they have sex,how they couple or how they love? And damn who socializes/gathers that way except maybe swingers.

What's silly so some may not be silly to others.

If the National Rock Collecting Assocation (NRCA) wants to hold an event at a theme park and spend the time, energy and expense to do so then...ok. People that don't collect, care, or "get" rock collecting wouldn't want to attend, and that's ok too.

[JimGP20]

What's silly so some may not be silly to others.

If the National Rock Collecting Assocation (NRCA) wants to hold an event at a theme park and spend the time, energy and expense to do so then...ok. People that don't collect, care, or "get" rock collecting wouldn't want to attend, and that's ok too.


Rock collecting is a hobby. Gay is a sexual orientation. There's a difference bigger than the Grand Canyon here. Same with all of the other examples laid out in this thread.

[Stuball]

Rock collecting is a hobby. Gay is a sexual orientation. There's a difference bigger than the Grand Canyon here. Same with all of the other examples laid out in this thread.
Even if this is true. Whats the difference of what group you choose to attend with?
Ladies or Mens Clubs can plan trips there too

[JimGP20]

Even if this is true. Whats the difference of what group you choose to attend with?
Ladies or Mens Clubs can plan trips there too

They can do whatever they want.... I just find it odd that sexual orientation is the common bond they use to plan this. I'm not saying it's bad... I'm saying it's odd.

[betwixt]

Rock collecting is a hobby. Gay is a sexual orientation. There's a difference bigger than the Grand Canyon here. Same with all of the other examples laid out in this thread.

True there is a difference between a hobby and sexual orientation. But not the reason for gathering. Like minded individuals that want to get together, for what ever aspect of thier life that they have a shared or "in common" aspect, happens all the time.

[Dreamy]

True there is a difference between a hobby and sexual orientation. But not the reason for gathering. Like minded individuals that want to get together, for what ever aspect of thier life that they have a shared or "in common" aspect, happens all the time.

The sexuality is their common bond. What that has to do with going to an outing in an amusement park is beyond me.


Heterosexual Day at Disney? Crazy.
Bi-Sexual Day at Disney? Crazy.
Celibate Day at Disney? Crazy.
Jackrabbit Day at Disney? Crazy.


Why must one place their sexuality front and center to enjoy Space Mountain?

[angelicmadrigal]

So being a gamer isn't a choice? If it's not, then can there be a black day, white day, male day, or female day?

I would say the type of personality you need to be involved in the gamer lifestyle is inborn.

And honestly if a bunch of men, women, black people, white people...want to organize their own trip to Disney as a group go for it.

[Stuball]

The sexuality is their common bond. What that has to do with going to an outing in an amusement park is beyond me.


Heterosexual Day at Disney? Crazy.
Bi-Sexual Day at Disney? Crazy.
Celibate Day at Disney? Crazy.
Jackrabbit Day at Disney? Crazy.


Why must one place their sexuality front and center to enjoy Space Mountain?
Crazy Day At Disney!!!!!!

[BillyBobUSA]

"Homophiles"? What is this, 1955?


lol

What does the use of the perfectly valid word 'homophile' have to do with reversing time?

That is the kind of librul 'reasoning' that simply means nothing at all.

Any good clock should be capable of being rolled back, and this one would appear to be a prime case of why such is needed.

[CID_0687]

:rolleyes:

[Joeybear23]

lol

What does the use of the perfectly valid word 'homophile' have to do with reversing time?

That is the kind of librul 'reasoning' that simply means nothing at all.

Any good clock should be capable of being rolled back, and this one would appear to be a prime case of why such is needed.

I don't consider Pudge to be 'librul'...

[Dreamy]

Crazy Day At Disney!!!!!!

I know you'll be there Stu.:D Might see me too. But damn I would never attend any gathering called heterosexual day. It's just too damn strange.

Is someone a Dad or must he be a gay Dad? I would be so embarrassed if my parents went to anything call gay day or straight day at a park.

[Dreamy]

I don't consider Pudge to be 'librul'...

I agree. Quite far from it.

[Camp]

I really have not read a convincing point that sheds any light on the desire to wear the same color shirts and show up en mass on the first Saturday in June at the Magic Kingdom. The Magic Kingdom is designed to appeal specifically to prepubescent children unless I am missing something.

[Rorus Raz]

The Magic Kingdom is designed to appeal specifically to prepubescent children unless I am missing something.You are. It has stuff that appeals to all ages. Half the Epcot park bored me stupid as a kid. And Magic Kingdom has its share of awesome coasters. Space Mountain is the best.

[Joeybear23]

The argument in favor of this always seems to suggest that these will just be people visiting the park, who happen to be gay and wearing red shirts. In actuality, this event has changed over the years to a crude exhibitionist frenzy. Not the kind of event that belongs in a childrens theme park.

A six year old girl should not have to witness two queens groping and french kissing at the entrance to Cinderella's Castle. And anyone who says that kind of behavior won't be going on is ridiculously naive.

[Rorus Raz]

A six year old girl should not have to witness two queens groping and french kissing at the entrance to Cinderella's Castle. And anyone who says that kind of behavior won't be going on is ridiculously naive.And a shame the date isn't well-known or anything!

[Stuball]

The argument in favor of this always seems to suggest that these will just be people visiting the park, who happen to be gay and wearing red shirts. In actuality, this event has changed over the years to a crude exhibitionist frenzy. Not the kind of event that belongs in a childrens theme park.

A six year old girl should not have to witness two queens groping and french kissing at the entrance to Cinderella's Castle. And anyone who says that kind of behavior won't be going on is ridiculously naive.
You make an accusation Do you have any examples of the activity you describe?
I am not saying it happens............ but if it does
Would it be any worse if the same 6 year old saw a guy and his girlfriend doing the exact same thnig?

[Camp]

You make an accusation Do you have any examples of the activity you describe?
I am not saying it happens............ but if it does
Would it be any worse if the same 6 year old saw a guy and his girlfriend doing the exact same thnig?

Look back a couple pages as there are links including drug stings at the sponsor hotels. No lascivious behavior is tolerated, but it is much more difficult to police when a group descends en masse.

[Camp]

And a shame the date isn't well-known or anything!


So what is the appeal? Shock or fun that cannot be had anywhere else?

Honest question.

Would a day care center be OK if the mood struck?

[Stuball]

So what is the appeal? Shock or fun that cannot be had anywhere else?

Honest question.

Would a day care center be OK if the mood struck?
Thats an HONEST Question?
What reason would any group have for planning a vacation at a Day Care Center?

[Stuball]

Look back a couple pages as there are links including drug stings at the sponsor hotels. No lascivious behavior is tolerated, but it is much more difficult to police when a group descends en masse.
I am sure the same thing occurs during Spring Break

[Dreamy]

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-gay-days.htm

One gay man's POV

[terri910]

Crazy Day At Disney!!!!!!
Finally! A little commonality! :))

[Dreamy]

I am sure the same thing occurs during Spring Break

At Disney World? I was there before during spring break and never saw anything like that happening.

[Stuball]

At Disney World? I was there before during spring break and never saw anything like that happening.
I was referring to people using drugs in hotel rooms

[Stuball]

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-gay-days.htm

One gay man's POV
The key word being............ ONE

[Dreamy]

I was referring to people using drugs in hotel rooms

No idea. That's a criminal matter not a social issue.

[terri910]

And a shame the date isn't well-known or anything!
Well....it isn't on Disney's Calendar because it isn't sponsored by Disney. And I wouldn't know when gayday.com has it scheduled because I don't go to the website.

What we HAVE done, however, is book WDW vacations almost 2 years in advance. So, I assume other families do the same for "big" (read: relatively expensive) family vacations.

Your post seems to imply (correct me if I'm wrong) that people like me should know when "gayday" is two years from now.

Before having read it in this thread, I didn't even know there was a gay pride "season." I don't, however, know when Opening Day is.

[Dreamy]

The key word being............ ONE

Activists are loud and vocal. Does not mean they are the majority.

This one man addresses valid points.

[Camp]

http://www.wdwinfo.com/disney-gay-days.htm

One gay man's POV


That is the link I was referring to. The children are specifically targeted here for gay propaganda and I think it stinks. Bad enough the melodramatic chorus chimes daily for "special" laws on what must stridently be called marriage in the mass media, but the agenda driven rabble have to also descend on Disney en masse in a mock show of numerical superiority...for what?

Fun (just like everyone else) I suppose.

Be proud, you stole the childrens Magic Kingom for a week. If it were a popsicle I suppose someone might mind. Looks to me that modesty and shame is a word that is beyond the gaydays organizers emotional spectrum.

I am sure every family in America that will visit Disney the first week of June will be keenly aware of the "special" clientel they will be there with and will not mind in the slightest at sharing the fun and learning new things.

[Joeybear23]

You make an accusation Do you have any examples of the activity you describe?
I am not saying it happens............ but if it does
Would it be any worse if the same 6 year old saw a guy and his girlfriend doing the exact same thnig?

Read back, stub.
Gay or straight public displays of sexuality do not belong in a childrens theme park.

[archangelo]

What would happen if a group unofficially organized a "Straight Day" and encouraged everyone to wear white?

[terri910]

I am sure the same thing occurs during Spring Break
...and a lot of us prefer to avoid THAT time!

[CID_0687]

Read back, stub.
Gay or straight public displays of sexuality do not belong in a childrens theme park.
Yep.

[CID_0687]

What would happen if a group unofficially organized a "Straight Day" and encouraged everyone to wear white?
Can you say discrimination lawsuit boys and girls?

[Stuball]

Read back, stub.
Gay or straight public displays of sexuality do not belong in a childrens theme park.
I did
Here is what you said

The argument in favor of this always seems to suggest that these will just be people visiting the park, who happen to be gay and wearing red shirts. In actuality, this event has changed over the years to a crude exhibitionist frenzy. Not the kind of event that belongs in a childrens theme park.

A six year old girl should not have to witness two queens groping and french kissing at the entrance to Cinderella's Castle. And anyone who says that kind of behavior won't be going on is ridiculously naive.

[Stuball]

Can you say discrimination lawsuit boys and girls?
If they prohibited others from entering the park YES
If not ............More money for Mickey

[CID_0687]

If they prohibited others from entering the park YES
If not ............More money for Mickey
Lord knows he needs it.

Ever since Minnie left, I heard he's been having to eat Pluto's leftovers.

Not a bad deal for most mice, but not Mickey.

[Joeybear23]

I did
Here is what you said

The argument in favor of this always seems to suggest that these will just be people visiting the park, who happen to be gay and wearing red shirts. In actuality, this event has changed over the years to a crude exhibitionist frenzy. Not the kind of event that belongs in a childrens theme park.

A six year old girl should not have to witness two queens groping and french kissing at the entrance to Cinderella's Castle. And anyone who says that kind of behavior won't be going on is ridiculously naive.

Search further back, stub.

I don't have to constantly qualify my statements about public overt homosexual behavior by saying I also disapprove of public overt heterosexual behavior. I've said it once and that's more than enough for a thread about a planned homosexual event at a childrens park.

[Stuball]

Search further back, stub.

I don't have to constantly qualify my statements about public overt homosexual behavior by saying I also disapprove of public overt heterosexual behavior. I've said it once and that's more than enough for a thread about a planned homosexual event at a childrens park.
I should report you to Mod 4

[coyote1880]

You make an accusation Do you have any examples of the activity you describe?
I am not saying it happens............ but if it does
Would it be any worse if the same 6 year old saw a guy and his girlfriend doing the exact same thnig?

Do I have examples?

No.

Have I seen it?

Yes.

The interesting thing is that Disney intervenes with this type of behavior at all other times of the year.

Be it hetero or homo-sexual.

Their employees are told to tell people that "while Disney is a family park, this does not mean it is the place to start a family".

But during Gay days this policy seems to be forgotten.

And the stories I have been told about the after hours party.

The custodians I have spoken with tell me the restrooms become a full orgy.

They hate having to clean up those nights.

They prefer cleaning up after the food fights from the Pop Warner convention.

[Joeybear23]

I should report you to Mod 4

lol

[Pudge]

He probably could fit in one. You didn't have a chioce did you :D

Not really, it was a bit cramped in there. :))

[Pudge]

Your strident attitude is what I would seek to avoid and you obliged us all by showing it off here in this thread.

Showing off what, self-respect? Rationality? Common sense?

Go ahead and get good and offended if that is how you choose to react. There is no good reason to color code sexuality at a childs theme park.

I'm not offended by your position, I just think that your whole attitude reeks of subjugating yourself to others. Furthermore, millions of adults enjoy theme parks, especially Disney. It's not JUST a child's park.

I already explained to you why it's necessary to color-code: If you have an event planned that targets a specific community, you want to know how many of them show up. With some people it's easy to tell if they're a part of the community but not so much with LGBT people. You can't tell, in most cases, who is gay or straight just by taking a look, so it is necessary to wear something to stand out. As to the 'sexuality' issue, you reduce it to sexual behavior, which makes it easier for you to write off the rest of our lives and experiences. Read my response to Dreamy about why it's more than just sex.

It's your attitude which is reducing individuals to their sexuality, not the ones who wear a shirt. Perhaps the motivation of the organizers is to make a visible impact on others just to show that hey, there's more of us than you think. There's nothing inherently sexual about wearing a red shirt on Gay Day, it's not like you're advertising for a hookup. It's to show that we, too, have fun at theme parks, that we have families and are a part of society as well.

Enjoy commandeering Cinderella's Castle from the kiddies from June 2 to the 8th 2009. Maybe next year gaydays can try for two weeks since it is so wonderful for all.

Well, you certainly have the gay man's penchant for melodrama, regardless of your orientation.

Children are the clientelle the theme park is marketed to. Responsible people would protect their innocence and keep adult sexuality issues from them at the ages that frequent the Magic Kingdom.

Again, how is a red shirt indicative of what anyone does in a bedroom? I am wearning a red shirt right now, does it mean I am in the process of having sex, or that I am advertising? No, it's my work shirt. It has the name of my employer on it to separate me from the general public when I am on the job and identifies me as an employee of the particular establishment.

I would urge you to bring more to this discussion than what I have seen so far.

As soon as you come up with one good reason that we're not to be as valued for who we are and that we should be hidden away like dirty secrets from the curiosity of children who only realize that, hey, there's a lot of red shirts here today.

[Pudge]

Ok so people get together as cub scouts and bowlers and Irish and Spanish and alumni. But get together because of a shared sexuality? Just seems silly.

I don't ever gather with my friends or people cos of our shared sexuality.

Who chooses friends based on how they have sex,how they couple or how they love? And damn who socializes/gathers that way except maybe swingers.

Well, Dreamy, there are other things that bind us as a community than who we have sex with. In fact, it's hardly about the sex at all. We've shared many similar experiences, overcome similar obstacles, face similar challenges in our lives in regards to marriage, to family, and how we find our place in society. I went through a period of my life where I had very few gay or lesbian friends and I became disconnected from our shared experience.

When you go to church, Dreamy (if you go, I don't presume) do you go just because you all share the same belief and practice the same rites? And through those shared experiences, do you make friends? Do you sometimes commune with other people online, or from other parts of the country, who have the same faith?

It's just like any community. LGBT people understand each other in a way that others cannot, based on shared experience and things we have in common, just like, say, Catholics or Mormons. Of course, some don't want to be connected with the community, and that's fine. I've got no gripe with anyone who chooses not to partake in pride events. I don't go to parades or to Gay Day. I hate parades on principle and Florida is abysmally hot in June. But for me, I know what kind of torture it was when I felt completely invisible, when I thought I was the only gay person on the planet, and that nobody would ever understand me or what I had gone through. To choose to remain invisible out of fear of retribution, or because you feel slighted by the gay community at large, or because you have a few disagreements, that's just stupid, IMNSHO. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face. If Camp here doesn't like Gay Days he's free not to go, but his attitude that we all should just be invisible, that children shouldn't ever see gay & lesbian couples, and that we're somehow destroying their innocence, I find that to be very insulting and very much wrong.

[Pudge]

lol

What does the use of the perfectly valid word 'homophile' have to do with reversing time?

It hasn't been used in decades. Why don't you throw 'sodomite' in there while you're at it?

That is the kind of librul 'reasoning' that simply means nothing at all.

It means that your mindset is antiquated.

Any good clock should be capable of being rolled back, and this one would appear to be a prime case of why such is needed.

Yeah, let me know how that works out for you, Fonzie.

[Pudge]

I don't consider Pudge to be 'librul'...

Some people need a one-size-fits-all box to put people in. Doesn't matter to BillyBob if I'm generally to the right on economics, foreign policy, crime, immigration, abortion, energy, and so on- because I don't agree with him on LGBT issues I'm a librul.

Whatever helps him sleep at night, Joey.

[Pudge]

I really have not read a convincing point that sheds any light on the desire to wear the same color shirts and show up en mass on the first Saturday in June at the Magic Kingdom. The Magic Kingdom is designed to appeal specifically to prepubescent children unless I am missing something.

You're missing quite a lot, apparently.

It's not designed to appeal specifically to children.

Even if it were, there are many gay & lesbian couples who have prepubescent kids of their own.

It's a day where they can enjoy doing all those things that straight families do and not be mocked or scorned by others. Again, you have an odd definition of 'flaunting'. If a straight couple holds hands, takes their kids to Disney, goes on rides with them, and enjoys their day, it's OK, but if a gay or lesbian couple does it, well, they're robbing the innocence of children.

Really?

[Pudge]

The argument in favor of this always seems to suggest that these will just be people visiting the park, who happen to be gay and wearing red shirts. In actuality, this event has changed over the years to a crude exhibitionist frenzy. Not the kind of event that belongs in a childrens theme park.

A six year old girl should not have to witness two queens groping and french kissing at the entrance to Cinderella's Castle. And anyone who says that kind of behavior won't be going on is ridiculously naive.

I'm on record, anyone who is doing that should be asked to leave, and I wouldn't confine that to just gay couples either.

I find that the 'crude exhibitionists' are a very small number of people compared to the group as a whole. I don't know why Disney doesn't just lay down the rules for acceptable conduct and remove those who can't keep their hands off each other in public.

[Pudge]

Look back a couple pages as there are links including drug stings at the sponsor hotels. No lascivious behavior is tolerated, but it is much more difficult to police when a group descends en masse.

Oh noes, someone wants to smoke pot in their hotel room?

:rolleyes:

No lascivious behavior is tolerated? Gee, sounds like Disney *is* doing what they should in policing the crowd.

But we gays just can't stop trying to hump each other in public, right, Camp?

[AeroEngineer]

I find that the 'crude exhibitionists' are a very small number of people compared to the group as a whole. I don't know why Disney doesn't just lay down the rules for acceptable conduct and remove those who can't keep their hands off each other in public.


They do. This goes for gay people on gay days and the high school kids getting it on in the Smith Family Robinson tree house on graduation night lock in.

The idea that Disney turns a blind eye to the behavior is wrong.

[Pudge]

They do. This goes for gay people on gay days and the high school kids getting it on in the Smith Family Robinson tree house on graduation night lock in.

The idea that Disney turns a blind eye to the behavior is wrong.

I did not know that. According to Camp, a few isolated cases of PDA means that the whole event should be tanked.

[AeroEngineer]

I did not know that. According to Camp, a few isolated cases of PDA means that the whole event should be tanked.

Don't worry, I got your back.

And I see PDA every time I go to Disney. People are on vacation, some let loose a bit too much.

[CID_0687]

You're missing quite a lot, apparently.

It's not designed to appeal specifically to children.

Even if it were, there are many gay & lesbian couples who have prepubescent kids of their own.

It's a day where they can enjoy doing all those things that straight families do and not be mocked or scorned by others. Again, you have an odd definition of 'flaunting'. If a straight couple holds hands, takes their kids to Disney, goes on rides with them, and enjoys their day, it's OK, but if a gay or lesbian couple does it, well, they're robbing the innocence of children.

Really?
You know, it seems to me that there would be less chance of a gay couple being mocked or scorned if they went on a regular vacation to Disney World, wearing regular clothes. Instead of on Gay Day wearing red...

[Camp]

I did not know that. According to Camp, a few isolated cases of PDA means that the whole event should be tanked.

The whole event should be scorned by those who care for allowing children to grow up before introducing the concept of homosexual relations. What age would you find appropriate to introduce this concept to your offspring? To me the time of puberty is appropriate.


The PDA rules are not enforced at this time because the cast members are overwhelmed. A single day in 1991 has morphed into something completely different today. That is the whole point of this thread. Please read everything for context.

[Camp]

You know, it seems to me that there would be less chance of a gay couple being mocked or scorned if they went on a regular vacation to Disney World, wearing regular clothes. Instead of on Gay Day wearing red...

Exactly...Disney caters to all and any rudeness would not be tolerated.


That is why I see this as an "in your face" event by the gaydays organizers and participants.

[CID_0687]

Exactly...Disney caters to all and any rudeness would not be tolerated.


That is why I see this as an "in your face" event by the gaydays organizers and participants.
I look at it like this.

What someone does in their bedroom, as long as it's legal, I don't give a crap.

Someone wants to be gay, well, ok, good for you.

But it's ridiculous thinking that you should receive preferential treatment, and that everyone has to know.

That's why I think this whole gay day thing is stupid. You're a person, act like one.

And I know it's not all gays, but all these friggin' activists are so immature. There mission is to put sexuality out there on public display.

I may only be 28 years old, but when it comes to stuff like this, I'm old school.

I'm not saying gays should stay in the closet, there's nothing wrong with being honest, but for God's sakes, I don't go around talking about my sex life...maybe I have a fetish, that's nobody's business but mine and my wife's.

[angelicmadrigal]

It's not designed to appeal specifically to children.


You know considering they have a whole section that has bars, and stuff. Never been, but my friend worked in that area when she interned for Disney.

[Camp]

I look at it like this.

What someone does in their bedroom, as long as it's legal, I don't give a crap.

Someone wants to be gay, well, ok, good for you.

But it's ridiculous thinking that you should receive preferential treatment, and that everyone has to know.

That's why I think this whole gay day thing is stupid. You're a person, act like one.

And I know it's not all gays, but all these friggin' activists are so immature. There mission is to put sexuality out there on public display.

I may only be 28 years old, but when it comes to stuff like this, I'm old school.

I'm not saying gays should stay in the closet, there's nothing wrong with being honest, but for God's sakes, I don't go around talking about my sex life...maybe I have a fetish, that's nobody's business but mine and my wife's.

Exactly. You have a very healthy perspective on the issue as far as I am concerned. Have a parade, lobby for perceived injustice, go to any over 18 resort or facility, but for the kids sake can we tone down the rhetoric and labels and just go to disney as fun loving people and not a sexual affiliation.