Apparently, the Left will now push the Transgender Agenda...

[tha malcontent™]

A woman's quest to erase a past that won't die

30 years after gender-reassignment surgery, woman's past as a man lingers

By Jessie L. Bonner
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Sources/Art/APTRANS.gif updated 1:58 p.m. MT, Fri., April 24, 2009


PAYETTE, Idaho - Catherine Carlson threads through the discount store, her hiking boots clopping against the linoleum. She is numb to the shoppers who glance curiously as she plucks a pair of long underwear from a sales rack.

Cold sneaks through the walls of her trailer home, but this is the only remedy she can afford. At checkout, Catherine writes a $15 check. The clerk with the "Deb G" name tag examines the signature and runs her eyes over Catherine — the side-swept, faded blond hair, large knuckles, blue jeans and plaid work shirt.

Under the harsh fluorescent lights of the Bi-Mart, Catherine's narrow face is mapped with fine lines and abandoned by cosmetics. She ignores the unwelcome survey of her appearance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30390801/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30390801/?gt1=43001)

^Read more about the Entertaining of a Mental Disorder there... If you Care to.

I have said this before, and I will say it again, you can no more say that you are a Woman if you are Physically a Man, than I can say I am a Black or a Kitty Cat...

They are Equally Absurd, and we used to Treat Sick People like this for the Mental Disorders they Obviously have, and this Poor Man had Illustrated over 30 Years ago with the Self-Mutilation and I am sure other Problems the AP Conveniently left out of this Abject Propaganda piece for the Deviant Left.

Instead, because the 60's Revolution Bred Insanity, we now Mutilate Perfectly Physically Healthy Humans because we are to Cowardly to tell someone they are Sick...

Or we are simply Bent on Destroying Society...

Either way, the Boomers have done more to Deteriorate our Society than any Group since Rome...

And I was Hoping that there would be an Adjustment for the Better after they Lost Power, but Barry is Looking Worse than they were, and far too many of them continue to have Power.

The More this Society Validates the Absurd, the More Absurd this Society will become...

Bet.

:)

peace...

[PredFan]

I love the way these empty-headed writers try to write these liberal propaganda stories like some romance novel.

IMO, the guy/gal is reaping what he has sewn.

[tha malcontent™]

I love the way these empty-headed writers try to write these liberal propaganda stories like some romance novel.

IMO, the guy/gal is reaping what he has sewn.

As I Chew a piece of Salsa that was Worked loose by the Blue Moon I am Drynking @ 4:39 in the AM, I have to ^5 you for Using the Word I was Thinking when I Penned this...

"Romanticizing Deviancy"... <Shoulda been the Title...

EXACTLY what these Societal Anarchist and Clinical Malcontents are doing...

:)

peace...

[Crystal]

If you do not want your past catching up to you, don't get arrested.

[tha malcontent™]

If you do not want your past catching up to you, don't get arrested.

He Probably has a Meth Addiction...

And if the AP had the Journalistic Core that it shoud, they would Tell you that...

But then again, they would Blame you for the Addiction...

For Not Embracing and Validating his Illness, and Passing Laws to Protect this Absurdity and Mutilation of God's Creation and what Nature Mandated.

:)

peace...

[Jimbobdwayne]

I have said this before, and I will say it again, you can no more say that you are a Woman if you are Physically a Man, than I can say I am a Black or a Kitty Cat...


It's clear that your entire post rests on this singular assumption gender comes down to a simple dichotomy you are either a physically a man or a woman and that is the end of it. Unfortunately anyone who studied human development in-depth knows gender is can be a far more complicated concept, making the determining of gender of a specific person nearly impossible. A person can be transgendered or a person can be intersex. Gender is defined by culture and some cultures have adopted a more accepting attitude of transgendered individuals.

http://genderfork.com/?p=1036

Have you ever heard of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (an example of intersex)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

[ChaosControl]

If you're born a guy, you're a guy. You can play dressup like a barbie all you damn want, but you're still a guy. Even the cosmetic surgery dressup doesn't change the fact you're a guy. I refuse to call these nutjobs anything other than what they really are.

I remember having a conversation with some lunatic (read: lib) about this too, she was all talking about not only do we have to be "tolerant" in that we allow these nutjobs to go through with their dressup of fantasy but we have to "accept" it and alter our own frame of mind and actually consider them what they consider themselves. So if you don't compromise your own mind and believe in this deluded fairy tale that they are now a different sex, you're some evil bigot.

Sure, it is their life to live and they can pretend and play dressup all they want, doesn't mean I will ever lie and say they are anything other than what they were born as. Someone with very severe mental problems.

[Mountain Soldier]

How can someone not be comfortable with their own sex?

Talk about people with freaking problems. Jesus Christ.

[Late2TheParty]

If you're born a guy, you're a guy. You can play dressup like a barbie all you damn want, but you're still a guy. Even the cosmetic surgery dressup doesn't change the fact you're a guy. I refuse to call these nutjobs anything other than what they really are.

I believe in several hundred years, sex reassignment surgery, down to the chromosomes, will be possible.

As it is, it's more like a Frankenstein's Monster type of butchering.

[Guild-Sfire]

It's clear that your entire post rests on this singular assumption gender comes down to a simple dichotomy you are either a physically a man or a woman and that is the end of it. Unfortunately anyone who studied human development in-depth knows gender is can be a far more complicated concept, making the determining of gender of a specific person nearly impossible. A person can be transgendered or a person can be intersex. Gender is defined by culture and some cultures have adopted a more accepting attitude of transgendered individuals.

http://genderfork.com/?p=1036

Have you ever heard of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (an example of intersex)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Nature does not make mistakes.

It must be satan.

[KeithBlubberman]

When are they going to push for the pedophiles? The left-wing libs love them too, right? I mean, everyone has a right to do what makes them happy, right?

[KeithBlubberman]

It's clear that your entire post rests on this singular assumption gender comes down to a simple dichotomy you are either a physically a man or a woman and that is the end of it. Unfortunately anyone who studied human development in-depth knows gender is can be a far more complicated concept, making the determining of gender of a specific person nearly impossible. A person can be transgendered or a person can be intersex. Gender is defined by culture and some cultures have adopted a more accepting attitude of transgendered individuals.

http://genderfork.com/?p=1036

Have you ever heard of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (an example of intersex)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Biology defines gender. You either have a choochoo or a woowoo... and if you can't understand that, then you are just screwed in the head and should immediately seek professional counseling.

[Guild-Sfire]

How can someone not be comfortable with their own sex?

Talk about people with freaking problems. Jesus Christ.

It makes one wonder.....why does God make such mistakes?

[Guild-Sfire]

When are they going to push for the pedophiles? The left-wing libs love them too, right? I mean, everyone has a right to do what makes them happy, right?

Wrong.

[Jimbobdwayne]

Biology defines gender. You either have a choochoo or a woowoo... and if you can't understand that, then you are just screwed in the head and should immediately seek professional counseling.

Look up androgen insensitivity syndrome and you will realize the problem with that statement. Other biological conditions can also lead to intersex persons.

[KeithBlubberman]

Wrong.

Wrong? Not everyone is entitled to the free pursuit of happiness?

[ChaosControl]

I believe in several hundred years, sex reassignment surgery, down to the chromosomes, will be possible.

As it is, it's more like a Frankenstein's Monster type of butchering.

Doesn't change the fact of what you are in the end. Tampering with that crap doesn't change the truth.

These people have mental problems that need to be addressed, not covered up by an evening gown.

[Guild-Sfire]

Wrong? Not everyone is entitled to the free pursuit of happiness?

Of course not.

[Guild-Sfire]

Biology defines gender. You either have a choochoo or a woowoo... and if you can't understand that, then you are just screwed in the head and should immediately seek professional counseling.


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e200/guild-sfire/irony-meterCustom.jpg

[Jimbobdwayne]

When are they going to push for the pedophiles? The left-wing libs love them too, right? I mean, everyone has a right to do what makes them happy, right?

If you can't see the clear moral distinction between someone who lives as a transgendered individual and a person that preys on children for sexual gratification, then you are clearly lacking in moral development.

[Guild-Sfire]

Doesn't change the fact of what you are in the end. Tampering with that crap doesn't change the truth.

These people have mental problems that need to be addressed, not covered up by an evening gown.

Educate yourself.....these are not just simply "Mental" problems.

[Pudge]

When are they going to push for the pedophiles? The left-wing libs love them too, right? I mean, everyone has a right to do what makes them happy, right?

Does a transgender person harm innocent children like a pedophile does?

Think before you pontificate.

[Mountain Soldier]

It makes one wonder.....why does God make such mistakes?

A man wanting to become a woman or vice-versa isn't a mistake...

[Guild-Sfire]

A man wanting to become a woman or vice-versa isn't a mistake...

It is a biological "Mistake"...confirmed by science.

So again.....why does God create mistakes?

[KeithBlubberman]

If you can't see the clear moral distinction between someone who lives as a transgendered individual and a person that preys on children for sexual gratification, then you are clearly lacking in moral development.

You got proof?

[KeithBlubberman]

Does a transgender person harm innocent children like a pedophile does?

Think before you pontificate.

No idea - care to elaborate?

[KeithBlubberman]

Of course not.

Oh. I could have sworn the Declaration of Independence said something like that..... gee, guess I was mistaken.

[Liberal Linguist]

No idea - care to elaborate?

Your religious and ego centric insular attitudes are the only thing harmed by a transgenders person. A pedophile harms children. You don't get that?

[KeithBlubberman]

Your religious and ego centric insular attitudes are the only thing harmed by a transgenders person. A pedophile harms children. You don't get that?

I don't know - do you? What was your point again?

[KeithBlubberman]

Your religious and ego centric insular attitudes are the only thing harmed by a transgenders person. A pedophile harms children. You don't get that?

Actually, it would hurt the clothing industry. Women's panty manufacturers would have to redesign in order to have the flap in the front like mens drawers do. Could be extremely expensive for the manufacturing company to retool their whole production line.

[Liberal Linguist]

Actually, it would hurt the clothing industry. Women's panty manufacturers would have to redesign in order to have the flap in the front like mens drawers do. Could be extremely expensive for the manufacturing company to retool their whole production line.

While you were trying to be extraneous, you acctually fail in your over the top ridiculous example, proving how unclever you are sir. Clothing manufactures would of course only make such clothes if it was profitable. In FACT you might really open up a new market segment thereby creating jobs and wealth. Thanks for the idea!

[ChaosControl]

Educate yourself.....these are not just simply "Mental" problems.

Yes they are.
If a guy believes he was a "woman born in a man's body", he clearly has a mental disorder.

Not saying they can't engage in their fantasy world if they want, it is their life after all. But just don't expect me to humor their fantasy.

[KeithBlubberman]

While you were trying to be extraneous, you acctually fail in your over the top ridiculous example, proving how unclever you are sir. Clothing manufactures would of course only make such clothes if it was profitable. In FACT you might really open up a new market segment thereby creating jobs and wealth. Thanks for the idea!

You said it was unclever of me, but you went on to say it was a brilliant idea. Can't make up your mind?
I work hard to open and expand the minds of liberals with capitalism.

[Rhonda]

Educate yourself.....these are not just simply "Mental" problems.

Mental problems are simple?

I am somewhat of a tomboy, should I present myself as a man? :rolleyes: I would assume that most people would tell me I am better off presenting myself as a woman...because I am!

Women going through menapause is lacking certain hormones that make women "feel" like women. Does that mean they should become a man? :neutral:

[Late2TheParty]

Yes they are.
If a guy believes he was a "woman born in a man's body", he clearly has a mental disorder.

You mean I'm not really a lesbian born in a man's body? :redface::cool:

[ChaosControl]

You mean I'm not really a lesbian born in a man's body? :redface::cool:

Well you can put on that dress next time you take the girl and ask her if she likes it, although you may want to hope the answer is no...

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

What is up with the right's desire to control people sexually?

[less right]

Why is this even in the WP forum? Doesn't this belong in OO?

[HeadOnStraight]

I love the way these empty-headed writers try to write these liberal propaganda stories like some romance novel.

IMO, the guy/gal is reaping what he has sewn.
That is because they liberal land, where reality is dies not exist.

[Jimbobdwayne]

As usual the right refuses to recognize the medical conditions that significant complicate one's gender identity. As well as the fact that gender is cultural construct that is part biology and part psychology.

I ask one simple question to anyone here that thinks gender is a simple determination based on a person's physical characteristics. Is someone who has AIS with XY chromosomes male or female?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

[Associa]

Maybe they do it to have a better chance at dating? I knew this guy who couldn't get a girl to save his life, he went transgender and is now a girl. Then I found out "she" was a lesbian. Nice trick, lol.

[Jimbobdwayne]

Maybe they do it to have a better chance at dating? I knew this guy who couldn't get a girl to save his life, he went transgender and is now a girl. Then I found out "she" was a lesbian. Nice trick, lol.

Gender identity and sexuality are different constructs.

[ChaosControl]

As usual the right refuses to recognize the medical conditions that significant complicate one's gender identity. As well as the fact that gender is cultural construct that is part biology and part psychology.

I ask one simple question to anyone here that thinks gender is a simple determination based on a person's physical characteristics. Is someone who has AIS with XY chromosomes male or female?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Yes"Gender Identity" is a mixture of many things because in the end is b.s. in of itself. There is only the sex of a person. People may "identify" differently, but then they have an obvious mental condition.

Someone with mixed chromosomes, people born with multiple organs have a legitimate physical deformity. I don't know the solution in these highly rare situations. They I guess really are some kind of mutated hybrid of sorts. Has there ever been a situation where one has both sexual organs and they both function normally?

I'm thinking more of people born normally who at some point in their life start feeling they are like the opposite sex, this feeling may even originate from when they were small children. In this situation it is a mental issue and should be addressed by mental treatment and not playing dressup.

I'm not saying people can't do it, as I've said before it is their life to screw around with, I'm just saying that it is not a good approach and I will not humor their fantasies. I will always refer to a man as a man, no matter what surgery he undergoes.

[Jimbobdwayne]

Someone with mixed chromosomes, people born with multiple organs have a legitimate physical deformity. I don't know the solution in these highly rare situations. They I guess really are some kind of mutated hybrid of sorts. Has there ever been a situation where one has both sexual organs and they both function normally?



Yes. A person with complete AIS will appear like a perfectly healthy normal female with no physical deformation. Inwardly they lack female organs and have a pair testes. Often they are unaware of the facts of their condition until adulthood.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I will refer to someone by whatever pronoun they desire.

I have more important issues in my life to be concerned with than to sit up worrying about pronoun gender agreement.

[Ninjacorpse]

What is up with the right's desire to control people sexually?

The left had dibs on everything else?

[Cletus Wilbury]

Yes"Gender Identity" is a mixture of many things because in the end is b.s. in of itself. There is only the sex of a person. ...
I'm not saying people can't do it, as I've said before it is their life to screw around with, I'm just saying that it is not a good approach ....

There was a guy in the process of that at a place I worked. It made me very uncomfortable to interact with that guy. I admit it, I'm a homophobe to that limited extent. I'm for equal rights for all humans, if they aren't harming anyone else.

I wouldn't want him in the restroom with my daughters. He still should have to guys bathroom, IMHO. Us guys don't care if people see us. I'll go with the majority, though.

[SnowSquirrel]

I'm thinking more of people born normally who at some point in their life start feeling they are like the opposite sex, this feeling may even originate from when they were small children. In this situation it is a mental issue and should be addressed by mental treatment and not playing dressup.

I'm not saying people can't do it, as I've said before it is their life to screw around with, I'm just saying that it is not a good approach and I will not humor their fantasies. I will always refer to a man as a man, no matter what surgery he undergoes.

I have several transgendered friends. (Ranging politically from reluctantly Democratic, due to this specific topic, to flaming fascist and no longer my friend.) I've also read a few accounts of TG people, including one written for an interesting research project in law school. Their problem has caused them enough suffering that I'm pretty sure it's not something they felt like they had a choice about -- other than ignoring their own thoughts and feelings. Nor is something they necessarily "got into" as an adult. The upshot is that these people will likely be unhappy at best, suicidal at worst, if they're forced to pretend they are what their birth certificate says they are.

You mention physical deformities, but what about a few other things? I've heard of cases where a person is born with ambiguous parts and a doctor makes a fairly arbitrary decision to do some quick surgery in one direction or the other. If that decision turns out not to be in line with the person's genes and hormones, what then? And although I haven't researched this point in detail, I've heard it claimed that there are known differences in brain structure between TG and non-TG people. If that claim is true, and if someone is physically male but has what is basically a "female brain," what then?

There's also an interesting (and disturbing) hypothesis that we're poisoning ourselves with hormone-mimicing chemicals. There've been observations of odd changes in wildlife such as male fish developing eggs. Could it be that we've screwed up our own hormones?

At this site (http://jenniverse.com/) by the way are the creations of one Jennifer Diane Reitz, who has some neat comics and games there -- but near the bottom, a link to her page discussing what she calls "gender dysphoria" and telling her story.

[tha malcontent™]

I will refer to someone by whatever pronoun they desire.

I have more important issues in my life to be concerned with than to sit up worrying about pronoun gender agreement.

Yet you were Concerned enough to Post on my Thread about it...

Classic!

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

It's clear that your entire post rests on this singular assumption gender comes down to a simple dichotomy you are either a physically a man or a woman and that is the end of it. Unfortunately anyone who studied human development in-depth knows gender is can be a far more complicated concept, making the determining of gender of a specific person nearly impossible. A person can be transgendered or a person can be intersex. Gender is defined by culture and some cultures have adopted a more accepting attitude of transgendered individuals.

http://genderfork.com/?p=1036

Have you ever heard of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (an example of intersex)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

I'm Transracial... Search the Forums and my Threads about it...

Respect it.

I'm Black.

It means I can use the N-Word in Mixed Company too! ;)

:)

peace...

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Yet you were Concerned enough to Post on my Thread about it...

Classic!

:)

peace...

Why are you making this personal?

I thought you hated it when people made things personal on you yet here you are doing it to me.

Classic hypocrite.

[tha malcontent™]

It is a biological "Mistake"...confirmed by science.

So again.....why does God create mistakes?

I haven't seen GS in a While... Hmmmm...

Oh yes, I haven't Started one of these Threads in a While.

How you doin', GS?...

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

Why are you making this personal?

I thought you hated it when people made things personal on you yet here you are doing it to me.

Classic hypocrite.

I was just Observing your Assertion that you don't Care, yet here you are...

Carry on.

:)

peace...

[Jimbobdwayne]

I'm Transracial... Search the Forums and my Threads about it...

Respect it.

I'm Black.

It means I can use the N-Word in Mixed Company too! ;)

:)

peace...

Simple question, what gender is a person with an XY chromosome pairing and AIS?

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

I was just Observing your Assertion that you don't Care, yet here you are...

Carry on.

:)

peace...

No, I do care about transgender issues.

I don't care about pronoun agreement.

Get it straight.

[LJ14]

There might be some scientific answers to why certain individuals appear to have a confused sexual identity. Who knows?... maybe all these years of dumping leftover birth control pills down the toilet or adding hormone supplements to livestock might create human defects.

That said... it's still a deviation from natures's planning. So, it would seem more reasonable to treat it like any other birth defect rather than to attempt to normalize it societally.

In cases where physical causes can't be found and treated or when a diagnosis of mental illness so severe that it cannot be treated successfully any other way, I personally wouldn't have a problem with "gender reassignment". In a choice between a relatively happy life or a state of abject misery, and barring any complicating deviance that would cause harm to others, it's a no-brainer.

But don't pee down our collective leg and tell us it's raining instead of putting the hard work into correcting the problem. These folks are NOT normal human animals. They've got a problem, whether it be physical or emotional.

[tha malcontent™]

Simple question, what gender is a person with an XY chromosome pairing and AIS?

This Thread is about Perfectly Healthy Men who Feel they are Women, and vice versa...

Defects are on another Thread.

:)

peace...

[Jimbobdwayne]

This Thread is about Perfectly Healthy Men who Feel they are Women, and vice versa...

Defects are on another Thread.

:)

peace...

Many people with AIS are perfectly healthy, they are not deformed and lead relatively normal lives.

The point is the gender cannot be defined merely by physical characteristics and that there is a unconscious psychological aspect to gender identity that we are only beginning to understand.

[tha malcontent™]

Many people with AIS are perfectly healthy, they are not deformed and lead relatively normal lives.

The point is the gender cannot be defined merely by physical characteristics and that there is a unconscious psychological aspect to gender identity that we are only beginning to understand.

As with Transracials like me... You see me as a Whitey...

Yet I am Black.

When I am Denied Treatment for Anemia, I will Cry Racism.

:)

peace...

[PredFan]

It's clear that your entire post rests on this singular assumption gender comes down to a simple dichotomy you are either a physically a man or a woman and that is the end of it. Unfortunately anyone who studied human development in-depth knows gender is can be a far more complicated concept, making the determining of gender of a specific person nearly impossible. A person can be transgendered or a person can be intersex. Gender is defined by culture and some cultures have adopted a more accepting attitude of transgendered individuals.

http://genderfork.com/?p=1036

Have you ever heard of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (an example of intersex)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Rubbish.

[Rurudyne]

If the federal starts funding Transgender operations or (more likely) requiring insurance companies to cover them, will the policy be called: "Every ding-a-ling a planned and wanted ding-a-ling"?

[Guild-Sfire]

I haven't seen GS in a While... Hmmmm...

Oh yes, I haven't Started one of these Threads in a While.


.

Why are you making this personal?

I thought you hated it when people made things personal on you yet here you are doing it to me.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

Why are you making this personal?

I thought you hated it when people made things personal on you yet here you are doing it to me.

It was done to me as well.

[Guild-Sfire]

It was done to me as well.

Of course it was......

It's irresistible for some.

Yet hate it, when it is done to them.

:think:

[tha malcontent™]

Why are you making this personal?

I thought you hated it when people made things personal on you yet here you are doing it to me.

I haven't Seen you in Some Time, my Old Friend...

Yet, when it Comes to Deviants and Threads I Post on them, it's like the Bat Signal...

What up?...

Dog in this Fight?...

:)

peace...

[SnowSquirrel]

Rubbish.
Are you denying that Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome exists?

[tha malcontent™]

Are you denying that Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome exists?

**** an AIS!... ****in' ***s-of-*******!...

Sorry, I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome Agitated Tourette's Syndrome... AISATS.

I Hear anything about it, and I can't Help but to Bust out Cursin'!...

:)

peace...

[SnowSquirrel]

**** an AIS!... ****in' ***s-of-*******!...

Sorry, I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome Agitated Tourette's Syndrome... AISATS.

I Hear anything about it, and I can't Help but to Bust out Cursin'!...

:)

peace...
Oooookay. So your position on this issue seems to depend on denying that point of science. I haven't studied that one in much detail, but it looks as though it's pretty well established to be true.

[Plasmaball]

Doesn't change the fact of what you are in the end. Tampering with that crap doesn't change the truth.

These people have mental problems that need to be addressed, not covered up by an evening gown.

What happens when you are born with both parts?
Remember you started out as both sexes when you were created.

[sgdp]

I love the way these empty-headed writers try to write these liberal propaganda stories like some romance novel.

IMO, the guy/gal is reaping what he has sewn.

:lol: Hah! That's so true. As I was reading that, I was thinking it sounded like a freshman's really bad English essay.

Honestly, that's one of the worst articles I've read in a while. Way too cheesy.

[sgdp]

What happens when you are born with both parts?
Remember you started out as both sexes when you were created.

Like a hermaphrodite?

I guess in all technicality, we start off as females, and hermaphrodites have a malfunction (can't think of a better word right now, sorry) in the transition from female to male. So, methinks, they were meant to be males, but something went awry.

[Plasmaball]

Yes they are.
If a guy believes he was a "woman born in a man's body", he clearly has a mental disorder.

Not saying they can't engage in their fantasy world if they want, it is their life after all. But just don't expect me to humor their fantasy.

same has been said for people who believe in god. You now join those people in that type of thinking. Enjoy that group.....

[sgdp]

OH! And this just became an issue in my area...sort of.

Well, a lesbian was barred from her prom, because she was wearing a tuxedo. Happened last year, too, with a guy wearing a bright pink gown. (I think he was transgender...?!)

I don't have a problem with this kind of stuff if people keep it to themselves. Running to the local papers is just silly, IMHO.

[Plasmaball]

Like a hermaphrodite?

I guess in all technicality, we start off as females, and hermaphrodites have a malfunction (can't think of a better word right now, sorry) in the transition from female to male. So, methinks, they were meant to be males, but something went awry.

no we start off i believe as unisex.
There is a reason why you see a woman with lets say more facial hair.

[sgdp]

no we start off i believe as unisex.
There is a reason why you see a woman with lets say more facial hair.

I always thought that stuff was related to pubescent hormones. I remember learning years ago that the clitoris grows into a penis once the fetal hormones or whatever are released. Could have been wrong, though. I guess it's kind of irrelevant, I was just thinking that maybe the same kid of limbo experience could happen in the brain as it does physically.

[Plasmaball]

I always thought that stuff was related to pubescent hormones. I remember learning years ago that the clitoris grows into a penis once the fetal hormones or whatever are released. Could have been wrong, though. I guess it's kind of irrelevant, I was just thinking that maybe the same kid of limbo experience could happen in the brain as it does physically.

its due to hormones, but it just shows nobody is born perfect, like the op seems to assume.
Nature does a lot of weird things.

[tha malcontent™]

but it just shows nobody is born perfect, like the op seems to assume.

Please, Illustrate how you Concluded that...

:)

peace...

[Conservatismfirst]

Nature does not make mistakes.

It must be satan.


Actually nature does make mistakes in many ways, however that is how it is suppose to be an imperfect world...they're called Chromosomal disorders for instance, an extra chromosome is produced say, on the 21st chromosome which is Down Syndrome

[Conservatismfirst]

It is a biological "Mistake"...confirmed by science.

So again.....why does God create mistakes?


To confuse degenerates like yourself:D

[Plasmaball]

Please, Illustrate how you Concluded that...

:)

peace...

this...

This Thread is about Perfectly Healthy Men who Feel they are Women, and vice versa...

Defects are on another Thread.



peace...

[Guild-Sfire]

To confuse degenerates like yourself:D


If you are trying to be funny.....it didn't work...

I love a good insult.....yours fell way short....

[DavidC]

Yes they are.
If a guy believes he was a "woman born in a man's body", he clearly has a mental disorder.

Not saying they can't engage in their fantasy world if they want, it is their life after all. But just don't expect me to humor their fantasy.


You understand that some people are born with both sets of organs to various degrees, ranging from grandular and cellular to complete sets of organs, externally and internally.

People have different level of hormones, from birth. Some people from early childhood identify with the opposite sex. Some of them are often mistaken for the opposite sex. They can grow up being called the wrong sex when they are in public--not just how they are dressed. They can be wearing clothes associated with their assigned gender and still be called Sir or Ma'am, reversed.. What person wouldn't have mental issues over that? How 'bout when they hit puberty and just wanna be normal? People with various stages of intersex have to make decisions.

They aren't all raving pervs with terrible fetishes.

Bring religion into it and it's smart to ask, "What would 'Jesus' say" or "What would 'Buddha,' say?"---

Disciples: Lord, what should we do with these people?

The Teacher: "They are the scum of the earth lock em up in a hole and throw them some dog scraps. That's the only mercy They will get. Praise be....Now lets all go back into heaven and play the pipe organ.* And sit around discussing how wonderful and holy we all are."


* satire


Not likely.......

[tha malcontent™]

this...

Yep, you still Don't get it...

This Thread is NOT about Defects...

And Defects don't Justify Validation or Mutilation, but again, that's for another Thread.

:)

peace...

[Pudge]

No idea - care to elaborate?

I think it's self-evident.

A pedophile who acts on his desires harms children.

A transgender person doesn't harm anyone else, in fact, a TG remaining the gender they were born is harmful to them.

[Pudge]

Actually, it would hurt the clothing industry. Women's panty manufacturers would have to redesign in order to have the flap in the front like mens drawers do. Could be extremely expensive for the manufacturing company to retool their whole production line.

Duct tape.

[tha malcontent™]

I think it's self-evident.

A pedophile who acts on his desires harms children.

A transgender person doesn't harm anyone else, in fact, a TG remaining the gender they were born is harmful to them.

The Harm comes in when the Sick Person doesn't get Help...

And even Further, has a Doctor Mutilate thier Body over it.

:)

peace...

[Pudge]

The Harm comes in when the Sick Person doesn't get Help...

And even Further, has a Doctor Mutilate thier Body over it.

:)

peace...

Mal, could you imagine being the person you are, right now- but trapped in the body of a woman?

[harumph]

Mal, could you imagine being the person you are, right now- but trapped in the body of a woman?

Do you want to talk about it? We're here for you. :hug:

[tha malcontent™]

Mal, could you imagine being the person you are, right now- but trapped in the body of a woman?

I am Trapped in the Body of a White Person...

How is that any Different?...

:)

peace...

[darknessesedge]

mike moore is gonna make 1 ugly woman.

[Hatch]

It's easy to blind the Country when they're so distracted by a failing economy and now swine flu.
God knows what else they'll slip in.

[darknessesedge]

The USA was fun while it lasted..
thanks for killing our country libs!

[Joeybear23]

...30 years after "gender-reassignment" surgery, woman's past as a man lingers...

There's no such thing as "gender reassignment."

She's a man, baby!

[darknessesedge]

There's no such thing as "gender reassignment."

She's a man, baby!

he just went from an outie to a innie...hahahahaha

[Guvnah]

It makes one wonder.....why does God make such mistakes?

Right.

And why did God make hail? And mosquitoes? And poison ivy? And diseases? And deformities? And acciedents? God didn't "make" these. They are just things that have developed in this giant biosphere we call Earth.

Earth and the "circle of life" upon the earth are not perfect.

Perfect comes in heaven.

[Hatch]

The USA was fun while it lasted..
thanks for killing our country libs!
Now you know what happens when a conservative who loves his Country states publicly that the Democrats are doing something wrong, don't you?
You get harrassed.
You get reported.
You don't win Miss America competitions.
You get called nasty things.
Haven't you figured out yet that we are to be silenced at all costs?

[Death Star]

What is up with the right's desire to control people sexually?

What's up with the mullet? Talk about a deviant abomination. The barbers who still cut those things should be locked up. :angel:

[Wife of Tom the Handyman]

I really feel for them....having worked in plus sized clothing shop in the 90's we had a good deal of cross dressers and transgendered customers....the cross dressers were always happy...loving life...enjoying the 'attention'..the transgendered folk always seemed like they were about to break down in tears...I always felt that they had deep emotional damage that would never heal whether they had their original parts or not....about a year ago one of the news magazines(20/20 or dateline) had a show on transgendered children..and one woman explained that before her son could even speak he favored the pink sippy cup if he had the choice between blue and pink..so she started putting him in dresses....whether that child is gender confused or not... that mother should have lost custody...that child is growing up confused because his mom jumped the gun over the color preference of a 1 year old.

[darknessesedge]

Now you know what happens when a conservative who loves his Country states publicly that the Democrats are doing something wrong, don't you?
You get harrassed.
You get reported.
You don't win Miss America competitions.
You get called nasty things.
Haven't you figured out yet that we are to be silenced at all costs?


I look good in a bathing suit

[Pudge]

I am Trapped in the Body of a White Person...

How is that any Different?...

:)

peace...

Do you identify as a non-white? Even still, that wouldn't be the same. A black man and a white man are still men.

I'm saying, imagine if you were the same person you are now, but had been born in a female body instead of a male. All of your thought processes, your mannerisms, your demeanor, the way you identify from your earliest conscious memories have been male, and here you are, biologically female.

[Pudge]

There's no such thing as "gender reassignment."

She's a man, baby!

You could easily be fooled, Joey. They don't all look mannish, and females who transition to males are harder to tell from biologically-born males.

[sgdp]

its due to hormones, but it just shows nobody is born perfect, like the op seems to assume.
Nature does a lot of weird things.

I agree. People tend to skip over the incredible abilities of the brain. It's such a complex thing...the mind...so amazing. ONE little thing goes wrong, and I wouldn't doubt that a person could truly feel they were another gender.

I am not putting it beyond our brains to make a mistake every once in a while.

[Joeybear23]

You could easily be fooled, Joey. They don't all look mannish, and females who transition to males are harder to tell from biologically-born males.

Makeup artists and cross-dressers who are surgically mutilated do not become the other gender.

[tjvh]

Pump up the sexual deviant cause, all in the name of fairness.:))

[Gabby]

Yes"Gender Identity" is a mixture of many things because in the end is b.s. in of itself. There is only the sex of a person. People may "identify" differently, but then they have an obvious mental condition.

Someone with mixed chromosomes, people born with multiple organs have a legitimate physical deformity. I don't know the solution in these highly rare situations. They I guess really are some kind of mutated hybrid of sorts. Has there ever been a situation where one has both sexual organs and they both function normally?

I'm thinking more of people born normally who at some point in their life start feeling they are like the opposite sex, this feeling may even originate from when they were small children. In this situation it is a mental issue and should be addressed by mental treatment and not playing dressup.

I'm not saying people can't do it, as I've said before it is their life to screw around with, I'm just saying that it is not a good approach and I will not humor their fantasies. I will always refer to a man as a man, no matter what surgery he undergoes.

I agree.

What I've wondered is how does a male know that he 'feels like a woman'? He's a male. He had no idea what it feels like to be a woman. All he knows is that he's decided that he wants to look like a woman.

He will never actually feel like a woman, not even after surgery and all the hormones in the world... he will never go through a monthly cycle, never get PMS... it's all a fantasy.

From what I've read, those who are gender reassignment surgery are no happier after the surgery and all the hassle then they were before it. This supposed fix, fixed nothing and only creates more problems.

It does make some doctors very rich though so of course they will keep on trying to convince confused people that they can defy biology and play god.

[Gabby]

I really feel for them....having worked in plus sized clothing shop in the 90's we had a good deal of cross dressers and transgendered customers....the cross dressers were always happy...loving life...enjoying the 'attention'..the transgendered folk always seemed like they were about to break down in tears...I always felt that they had deep emotional damage that would never heal whether they had their original parts or not....about a year ago one of the news magazines(20/20 or dateline) had a show on transgendered children..and one woman explained that before her son could even speak he favored the pink sippy cup if he had the choice between blue and pink..so she started putting him in dresses....whether that child is gender confused or not... that mother should have lost custody...that child is growing up confused because his mom jumped the gun over the color preference of a 1 year old.

egads.... her son liked pink so she started dressing him as a girl? What an idiot.

[tha malcontent™]

Makeup artists and cross-dressers who are surgically mutilated do not become the other gender.

Why do you Hate Fashion Designers?...

:)

peace...

[Pudge]

Makeup artists and cross-dressers who are surgically mutilated do not become the other gender.

Not biologically, no, but gender is not simply a biological determination. 90% of it's in your head.

[Pudge]

Pump up the sexual deviant cause, all in the name of fairness.:))

There's nothing sexually deviant about transgenderism, since there is no sexual component to it.

[zantax]

There's nothing sexually deviant about transgenderism, since there is no sexual component to it.

Maybe he was referring to cross dressing.

[harumph]

I agree.

What I've wondered is how does a male know that he 'feels like a woman'? He's a male. He had no idea what it feels like to be a woman. All he knows is that he's decided that he wants to look like a woman.

He will never actually feel like a woman, not even after surgery and all the hormones in the world... he will never go through a monthly cycle, never get PMS... it's all a fantasy.

From what I've read, those who are gender reassignment surgery are no happier after the surgery and all the hassle then they were before it. This supposed fix, fixed nothing and only creates more problems.

It does make some doctors very rich though so of course they will keep on trying to convince confused people that they can defy biology and play god.

Will we, the taxpayers, be paying for this transformation in the future? It's looking more and more likely, since these people are making the argument that they were created wrong and need to be fixed.

[zantax]

Will we, the taxpayers, be paying for this transformation in the future? It's looking more and more likely, since these people are making the argument that they were created wrong and need to be fixed.

In the advent of government health care you can pretty much bet on it.

[harumph]

egads.... her son liked pink so she started dressing him as a girl? What an idiot.

Same thing happened to a kid on my block up in MA, as well. His mom started dressing him in girl's clothes, pushed him to twirl the baton. He got pretty good at it-started winning awards. I have always wondered if he became a she, 'cause those little dresses look better on girls, you know.

[Pudge]

Maybe he was referring to cross dressing.

That's not necessarily sexual either.

[tha malcontent™]

There's nothing sexually deviant about transgenderism, since there is no sexual component to it.

A Deviance would be a Choice...

I would say that in Most Transgenders it's about Defect or Mental Illness.

:)

peace...

[Pudge]

That's only because you don't understand why a man would throw away a perfectly functioning penis and all the many joys that testosterone brings.

I can't say I don't agree with that aspect of it. I love being a guy and couldn't fathom ever thinking and feeling as if I were a woman from the time of my earliest memories.

Regarding mental illness, a candidate for gender reassignment has to pass a battery of psychological tests, and if they are found to have problems, like schizophrenia or paranoia, extreme anxiety and depression, they don't allow them to get surgery until that's addressed because there's no going back. Once you get "the change", in either way, it's irreversible.

[Hellsbane]

A woman's quest to erase a past that won't die

30 years after gender-reassignment surgery, woman's past as a man lingers

By Jessie L. Bonner
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Sources/Art/APTRANS.gif updated 1:58 p.m. MT, Fri., April 24, 2009


PAYETTE, Idaho - Catherine Carlson threads through the discount store, her hiking boots clopping against the linoleum. She is numb to the shoppers who glance curiously as she plucks a pair of long underwear from a sales rack.

Cold sneaks through the walls of her trailer home, but this is the only remedy she can afford. At checkout, Catherine writes a $15 check. The clerk with the "Deb G" name tag examines the signature and runs her eyes over Catherine — the side-swept, faded blond hair, large knuckles, blue jeans and plaid work shirt.

Under the harsh fluorescent lights of the Bi-Mart, Catherine's narrow face is mapped with fine lines and abandoned by cosmetics. She ignores the unwelcome survey of her appearance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30390801/?gt1=43001 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30390801/?gt1=43001)

^Read more about the Entertaining of a Mental Disorder there... If you Care to.

I have said this before, and I will say it again, you can no more say that you are a Woman if you are Physically a Man, than I can say I am a Black or a Kitty Cat...

They are Equally Absurd, and we used to Treat Sick People like this for the Mental Disorders they Obviously have, and this Poor Man had Illustrated over 30 Years ago with the Self-Mutilation and I am sure other Problems the AP Conveniently left out of this Abject Propaganda piece for the Deviant Left.

Instead, because the 60's Revolution Bred Insanity, we now Mutilate Perfectly Physically Healthy Humans because we are to Cowardly to tell someone they are Sick...

Or we are simply Bent on Destroying Society...

Either way, the Boomers have done more to Deteriorate our Society than any Group since Rome...

And I was Hoping that there would be an Adjustment for the Better after they Lost Power, but Barry is Looking Worse than they were, and far too many of them continue to have Power.

The More this Society Validates the Absurd, the More Absurd this Society will become...

Bet.

:)

peace...


Don't be too hard on my generation. If there had never been no Korea or Vietnam Wars, there never would have been a massive counter-culture movement. Korea got the ball rolling with the generation of young men to young for WWII but too old to be boomer. Their experiances with Korea and the way it left them feeling about themselves, this country and people in general, was ground zero for the 60,s counter-culture movement and the boomers. Vietnam made it so easy to recruit more people into the movement.

[tha malcontent™]

That's only because you don't understand why a man would throw away a perfectly functioning penis and all the many joys that testosterone brings.

I can't say I don't agree with that aspect of it. I love being a guy and couldn't fathom ever thinking and feeling as if I were a woman from the time of my earliest memories.

Regarding mental illness, a candidate for gender reassignment has to pass a battery of psychological tests, and if they are found to have problems, like schizophrenia or paranoia, extreme anxiety and depression, they don't allow them to get surgery until that's addressed because there's no going back. Once you get "the change", in either way, it's irreversible.

The Example in my OP Disagrees with that Conclusion...

That's one Sick **** that had his **** cut off...

Mutilation... EOL.

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

Don't be too hard on my generation. If there had never been no Korea or Vietnam Wars, there never would have been a massive counter-culture movement. Korea got the ball rolling with the generation of young men to young for WWII but too old to be boomer. Their experiances with Korea and the way it left them feeling about themselves, this country and people in general, was ground zero for the 60,s counter-culture movement and the boomers. Vietnam made it so easy to recruit more people into the movement.

There are MANY Boomers that I Love and Respect Dearly...

They didn't Take the Easy Path that FAR TOO MANY Boomers did...

Only God can Judge them now...

:)

peace...

[Kea]

A Deviance would be a Choice...

I would say that in Most Transgenders it's about Defect or Mental Illness.

:)

peace...

....and protecting them with hate crime legislation like with homosexuals makes sense since they won't reproduce and mess of the gene pool . Classical eugenics mentality of the progressive liberal.

[tha malcontent™]

That happened long before the modern trans-process was developed.

Today, they don't cut off the unit, they remove the testes, quarter the penis (think of a double banana split) and tuck it inside to form the vaginal wall.

Things that make you go AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

I could've done without that, Strong Sad... ;)

But I still believe that it's Wrong to Mutilate over what is Arguably a Mental Defect.

:)

peace...

[Pudge]

I wanted you to have the mental picture, and give you a nice chill up your spne.

As far as whether it's wrong? I don't know, and since I will never go through the process, I'm not going to judge anyone else. What may seem crazy to me may be perfectly rational to them.

[ISYairio]

Thanks for the nightmares, damn.

[captusa]

If you're born a guy, you're a guy. You can play dressup like a barbie all you damn want, but you're still a guy. Even the cosmetic surgery dressup doesn't change the fact you're a guy. I refuse to call these nutjobs anything other than what they really are.

I remember having a conversation with some lunatic (read: lib) about this too, she was all talking about not only do we have to be "tolerant" in that we allow these nutjobs to go through with their dressup of fantasy but we have to "accept" it and alter our own frame of mind and actually consider them what they consider themselves. So if you don't compromise your own mind and believe in this deluded fairy tale that they are now a different sex, you're some evil bigot.

Sure, it is their life to live and they can pretend and play dressup all they want, doesn't mean I will ever lie and say they are anything other than what they were born as. Someone with very severe mental problems.

Actually all the transgendered people I know are Republican Conservatives.
Just another thing we don't have in common.
BTW One of the spokesmodels for Virginia Slims cigarettes was transgendered to an extremely attractive woman.
I don't know what she looked like when he was a he.

[Point Blank Gratte]

I say if they want to call themselves a man/woman when they're not. Just play along. So what? Let them believe they're a man/woman. If someone wants to call themself a cat, go right ahead. A cat is fine too lulz!

As long as you ain't stealing, murdering, or vandalizing. I don't give a crap what you do!

Me, my dad, and my uncle even had this argument about transgendered peoples and if it would make us a homo to have sex with them.

My dad argued that deepdown, they believe they're a woman, so it then becomes a matter of how do you feel? If you believe they're a woman too. There's nothing gay about it.

My uncle said "it doesn't matter what the she-man thinks. They still have a dick. Therefore they're a man and need to get over it."

I said it doesn't really matter if they're a man or a woman as long as you enjoy being with them. If other people want to call you gay, hey, whatever. All it means is your "boyfriend" is hotter then their girlfriend. I'd screw a tranny if they were convincing LOL!

[tha malcontent™]

I wanted you to have the mental picture, and give you a nice chill up your spne.

As far as whether it's wrong? I don't know, and since I will never go through the process, I'm not going to judge anyone else. What may seem crazy to me may be perfectly rational to them.

The Inability of this Society to Draw Lines, is Concerning...

:)

peace...

[chief2feathers]

This comment is just food for thought, regarding how society labels certain things as "homosexual." If the moderators believe this belongs on a separate thread, it is okay if it gets moved.


The thing I want to focus on in this comment is how relationships between "regular" males and transgendered males (is this the right term, even if a guy hasn't had the surgery?) are very often considered as NOT gay. Allow me to use the term shemale and please know I don't use it with disrespect. A lot of men don't consider sex with shemales as being gay. This was brought up in a previous post in this thread.

Let's compare how society views these types of relationships and the ones between regular females and women who present themselves as being masculine.

Let's just say a woman has a sexual attraction to women who dress like men, act, sound and talk like men, style their hair like men, and even take male hormones so they can acquire some male physical characteristics. These man-like women are even sexually attracted to other women, rather than men.

Now these man-like women, the ones who do everything they can to come across as males, are commonly considered lesbians. When they have intimate relationships with other females this is called a lesbian relationship.

So...if this is how many (if not most) people view females with females, how is it any different if you just reverse this and say there is a man who is attracted to men who dress like women, act, sound and talk like women, style their hair like women, and even take female hormones so they can acquire some female physical characteristics, and these men are even sexually attracted to other men, rather than women? If one relationship or attraction is considered gay, then how come so many men say that guy-with-guy relationships or attractions are not bisexual OR gay?


I don't want anybody to think I am making moral judgments. Even if I wanted to, it is not my place to do so. I wouldn't want anyone making moral judgments on me, so it's even-steven.

My point to this, is the question, "How come so many people (usually the "straight" men who have an attraction for shemales) vehemently insist that they are not gay and not even bi?" Is it because they ARE bisexual and are not comfortable admitting it, even to themselves?

Remember, in this case I am only referring to men who have not opted for a transgender operation and still have their "original equipment."

Again, if women who like "manly gals" are so commonly accepted as homosexuals, then why aren't men who like "girlie guys" also commonly accepted as homosexuals?

It seems like an unfair deal.




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[StockMarket77]

I find transgender people disgusting. They have violated their bodies and are driven by their mutated libidoes.

If you're a guy, you are forever a guy.

If you're a woman, you are forever a woman.

And by the way, nature and religion both dictate that the natural way is for males and females to pair together. Marriage should only be between man and a woman.

It's that simple. I am so fed up with liberals it's not even funny. May God condemn them immediately in the afterlife.

[captusa]

I find transgender people disgusting.

How many transgendered people do you know?


They have violated their bodies and are driven by their mutated libidoes.
How does libido get mutated ?

If you're a guy, you are forever a guy.

The courts have ruled otherwise.
Remember Dr. Rene Richards was allowed to compete in the Woman's Professional Tennis Association.

If you're a woman, you are forever a woman.
The courts have ruled otherwise.

And by the way, nature and religion both dictate that the natural way is for males and females to pair together. Marriage should only be between man and a woman.

Nature doesn't dictate anything and different religions dictate different things.




It's that simple. I am so fed up with liberals it's not even funny. May God condemn them immediately in the afterlife.

Where do you get the idea that more Liberals than Conservatives are transgendered ?
My experience is just the opposite.

[Point Blank Gratte]

Unfair deal? You have the nerve to say unfair deal when women get everything?!

Women are basicaly feudal overlords in this country. If we took away their voting privlages right now. We'd still be un-even culturaly, but atleast it would be a bit less noticable. That's how far along in matriarchy we are. Down with the vagina.

[chief2feathers]

Well, after I posted, I was thinking to myself that the word "deal" wasn't the right term. I meant to say that it was an unequal comparison. As in, women with women being viewed differently than men with men. It wasn't meant as an equal rights issue. Sorry if I accidentally implied otherwise.

[captusa]

.....
Me, my dad, and my uncle even had this argument about transgendered peoples and if it would make us a homo to have sex with them.

My dad argued that deepdown, they believe they're a woman, so it then becomes a matter of how do you feel? If you believe they're a woman too. There's nothing gay about it.

My uncle said "it doesn't matter what the she-man thinks. They still have a dick. Therefore they're a man and need to get over it."
.....

You're confusing tranvestites with transgendered.
Those tansgendered to females do not have penises(peni ?)

[chief2feathers]

Hmmm...interesting subject. I was wondering what is the difference between the terms crossdresser and transvestite? Is a "crossdresser" somebody (male or female) who maintains the physical appearance of whichever sex they were born as, and just enjoys wearing the clothing of the opposite sex? And a transvestite is the same thing, only they also alter their physical appearance (such as hair, makeup, etc....not surgery)?

I guess there are probably some concise definitions on Google.

[BillyBobUSA]

She keeps her reasons in a silver briefcase, where court documents from nearly 10 years ago detail a dispute between Catherine and her mother, who revealed during the case that her daughter was born male. That cemented a place for Daniel's name in public records.
Catherine lived in the shadows for years, protecting herself from scrutiny — until Dec. 3, 2007, when the officer pulled her over and found both her legal name and her birth name, listed as an "also known as," in county records.
He scrawled both on the citation. She was fined $841.
"It's not just a ticket," Catherine said. "It destroys my ability to be me."

Obviously it is discriminatory and a hate crime to issue traffic sitations to transgender people.

Shame on that officer and shame on us all for making such wounded and violated individuals, victimised by nature and society both, use their birth names in court records.

Cant we all just get a long?

/sarcasm

:lol:

[tha malcontent™]

Obviously it is discriminatory and a hate crime to issue traffic sitations to transgender people.

Shame on that officer and shame on us all for making such wounded and violated individuals, victimised by nature and society both, use their birth names in court records.

Cant we all just get a long?

/sarcasm

:lol:

My name is mal, and I am Transracial.

Don't Hate me, cause you ain't me.

:)

peace...

[Pudge]

The Inability of this Society to Draw Lines, is Concerning...

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peace...

I only draw lines when someone else's actions affect me in a manner that attempt to deprive me of life, liberty, or property by force or fraud.

That aside, I may not like what someone does with their own freedom but I'm not going to obstruct it just because I disagree with how they express it.

[Pudge]

I find transgender people disgusting. They have violated their bodies and are driven by their mutated libidoes.

Transgenderism isn't driven by a sexual urge. Try doing some research.

If you're a guy, you are forever a guy.

If you're a woman, you are forever a woman.

Thanks to science and surgery, that's not the case.

And by the way, nature and religion both dictate that the natural way is for males and females to pair together. Marriage should only be between man and a woman.

Humans evolve and exist by defying nature, and religion- well, as an individual thing, religion can be helpful and improving in one's life, but as a social force, it's the chains which keep us shackled to a stone-age mentality. If you believe marriage is between a man and a woman, that's fine, but you've no right to force others to practice according to your beliefs.

It's that simple. I am so fed up with liberals it's not even funny. May God condemn them immediately in the afterlife.

Pride is a sin, you know.

[tha malcontent™]

I only draw lines when someone else's actions affect me in a manner that attempt to deprive me of life, liberty, or property by force or fraud.

That aside, I may not like what someone does with their own freedom but I'm not going to obstruct it just because I disagree with how they express it.

In the Privacy of the Bedroom, I don't Care what goes on...

It's when Children are Targeted, as they are with ALL of this Agenda...

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[Techgod]

Yea, lets talk about targeting children with agendas.


Like teaching them that these people are evil. So when they catch little billy acting a little feminine or dancing around in his sisters cloths having fun they will feel empowered to teach them a lesson.

Wondering why there seem to be more and more "not normal" people speaking out? Cause speaking out (hell just being you) use to get you killed (and still does although less tolerated).

[BillyBobUSA]

My name is mal, and I am Transracial.

Don't Hate me, cause you ain't me.

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peace...


Hey! Bro! I am transracial too!

Do we get, like, you know, membership cards, decoder rings and a secret handshake or something?


Cool beans!

[BillyBobUSA]

Yea, lets talk about targeting children with agendas.

No, lets talk about your BS excuses for your hatred of Christians.


Like teaching them that these people are evil. So when they catch little billy acting a little feminine or dancing around in his sisters cloths having fun they will feel empowered to teach them a lesson.

No one teaches that except permanently fringe kook groups like Westboro Baptists.

That is a hobgoblin to excuse the passage of draconian laws meant to suppress Christianity.

And that effort will only grow the church more, as it always has.

Wondering why there seem to be more and more "not normal" people speaking out? Cause speaking out (hell just being you) use to get you killed (and still does although less tolerated).

Because these idiots are just so excited about getting to act out in public and cant help themselves.

[tha malcontent™]

Hey! Bro! I am transracial too!

Do we get, like, you know, membership cards, decoder rings and a secret handshake or something?


Cool beans!

Just say, "Cool and tha Gang", when sayin' Later to me...

I'll Know... ;)

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peace...

[BillyBobUSA]

Just say, "Cool and tha Gang", when sayin' Later to me...

I'll Know... ;)

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peace...


Got it!

Later.....