all you union asses when Chrysler liquidates thank Obama

[skippy]

Yes I know you voted for him and his ilk time and again. Your union thigs promised you sooooo much but when they fold and alll you have is your measly pension (obama gurantees thet while us at the dealerships get a hand shake as we go) temember the good times when you got $75 an hour and guranteed bennies to slap on hubcaps as you sling hash at a diner next year and please know it is you greed and the very people you puy into office that sold us all out!

[putputpanorama]

Yes I know you voted for him and his ilk time and again. Your union thigs promised you sooooo much but when they fold and alll you have is your measly pension (obama gurantees thet while us at the dealerships get a hand shake as we go) temember the good times when you got $75 an hour and guranteed bennies to slap on hubcaps as you sling hash at a diner next year and please know it is you greed and the very people you puy into office that sold us all out!

Huh?? I tried reading it. Then i realized that your in worse shape than I am. Bed time.

[Mortis]

Skippy, you may want to cut yourself off

[mygorilla]

If Chrysler gets bought out by Fiat, The Italian company will never get rid of the unions. Remember that most unions are run by Italians or descendants of Italians and their mafias. :D

[putputpanorama]

If Chrysler gets bought out by Fiat, The Italian company will never get rid of the unions. Remember that most unions are run by Italians or descendants of Italians and their mafias. :D

At least those guys knew how to make profits.

[Mortis]

At least those guys knew how to make profits.

Step #1 - Collect Underpants
Step #3 - Profit

[putputpanorama]

Step #1 - Collect Underpants
Step #3 - Profit

Aha you get it!

[mygorilla]

At least those guys knew how to make profits.

Yep. Profits for their unions and their own leaders. People are fuming about corporate CEOs making millions of dollars, but they never say anything about the union heads making millions of dollars. Why is that?

[putputpanorama]

Yep. Profits for their unions and their own leaders. People are fuming about corporate CEOs making millions of dollars, but they never say anything about the union heads making millions of dollars. Why is that?

Same goes for government....Maybe the Italians have it right.

[Mobulis]

Yep. Profits for their unions and their own leaders. People are fuming about corporate CEOs making millions of dollars, but they never say anything about the union heads making millions of dollars. Why is that?


Mainly because I for one didn't know that, if true that definitely puts them in greedy ceo territory.

[mygorilla]

Just curious...I wonder if the unions have to give financial diclosures, like the corporations do? If so, are they available to the public? If not, why not?

[mygorilla]

Well...After doing a little research, I found out that labor unions have tax exempt statuses and that they did not have to disclose most of their internal spending, including administrative salaries, until late last year, under new laws created by the Bush administration. The labor unions have been fighting these disclosure laws for years, blocking them from becoming actual laws. However, the labor unions want much stricter disclosure laws for businesses, but believe themselves to be exempt from these same disclosures. I wonder why? Bush signed the disclosure act into law and now the unions are lobbying Obama to get them repealed. Will Obama repeal the disclosure laws? Only time will tell, that is, if he hasn't already done so.

Now, knowing that the labor unions are tax exempt, how can they endorse political candidates and why has this practice been allowed to continue for all these decades? Churches cannot endorse political candidates simply because they have tax exempt statuses. Why are the tax exempt labor unions granted such priviledges?

[mygorilla]

Also curious...If Chrysler is taken over by Fiat, will Dodge still be allowed in NASCAR???

[educ8er]

Also curious...If Chrysler is taken over by Fiat, will Dodge still be allowed in NASCAR???

Soon NASCAR will be a race of the smallest, fastest cars to conserve fuel. Sorta like caged gocart racing.

[gonavy]

Yep. Profits for their unions and their own leaders. People are fuming about corporate CEOs making millions of dollars, but they never say anything about the union heads making millions of dollars. Why is that?

Hey brother, could you provide a link to back up that statement about union heads making "millions" in compensation.

I am sure I am not the only person here who would love to see that.

[mygorilla]

Hey brother, could you provide a link to back up that statement about union heads making "millions" in compensation.

I am sure I am not the only person here who would love to see that.

That's the whole problem. There are no public records of what any unions spend and what the government receives is extremely vague, to say the least. Therefore, nobody really knows what these people are making, nor what they are even doing with their money. They are tax exempt, yet can still back political candidates, and much of the expenditures are only listed as misc.

[jimjames418]

That's the whole problem. There are no public records of what any unions spend and what the government receives is extremely vague, to say the least. Therefore, nobody really knows what these people are making, nor what they are even doing with their money. They are tax exempt, yet can still back political candidates, and much of the expenditures are only listed as misc.
All tax exempt organizations are required to file a Form 990 with the IRS, and the IRS makes them available on their web site.

I must say that the form, designed by the IRS, is not very friendly to the average user and allows an organization to lump many items onto one line. However, if you dig deep, they must provide an explaination of those sums.

It does take work and effort but is possible. ;)

[mygorilla]

All tax exempt organizations are required to file a Form 990 with the IRS, and the IRS makes them available on their web site.

I must say that the form, designed by the IRS, is not very friendly to the average user and allows an organization to lump many items onto one line. However, if you dig deep, they must provide an explaination of those sums.

It does take work and effort but is possible. ;)

From what I understand, there was a new law signed on 1/18/09, by GWB, that requires the tax exempt entities disclose the expenditures in more detail. Before then, most expenditures were always extremely vague, with most of it being listed as only misc. Since GWB's signing, the unions have been all over Obama to repeal the law, yet they still want these laws to pertain to non-tax exempt entities.

Also, your response does not address the political involvement question. Why are labor unions tax exempt anyway?

[jimjames418]

From what I understand, there was a new law signed on 1/18/09, by GWB, that requires the tax exempt entities disclose the expenditures in more detail. Before then, most expenditures were always extremely vague, with most of it being listed as only misc. Since GWB's signing, the unions have been all over Obama to repeal the law, yet they still want these laws to pertain to non-tax exempt entities.
A part of the form must list the persons who received monies from the organization and the total amounts. If five people received $10 million you can petty much believe that most, if not all, of them received more than $1. It is buried deep in the report, but it is there.

Last I knew for sure, since I was a member at the time, was in 1969 the president of the UAW received a salary of $250,000 and members of the board of directors each received $50,000. Plus there were bonuses given for various reasons, most of the time the bonus amount exceeded the annual salary.
Also, your response does not address the political involvement question. Why are labor unions tax exempt anyway?
Labor organizations (not unions) are though to be working in the best interest of the working man. But they have become corrupted with power.

[mygorilla]

That was pretty well unprecedented in 1969. What are their salaries and bonuses today?

You are correct. The unions used to be for the workers, but now are only for the organizations only. They couldn't care less for the workers anymore.

[jimjames418]

That was pretty well unprecedented in 1969. What are their salaries and bonuses today?

You are correct. The unions used to be for the workers, but now are only for the organizations only. They couldn't care less for the workers anymore.
Keeping in mind that the UAW has about 550 people working for the organization itself, and about half of those make $10,000 a year or less, the required report to the Department of Labor showed:
54. Union Administration.............$32,388,302
55. Benefits................................$50,286,72 0

LINK (http://server1.laborpains.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/uawlm2uawlm2008.htm)

[theDoctorIsIn]

Or you can look at this anti-union site, which lists the total pay for staff of UAW....
http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=149&year=2006

Not exactly making millions there...

[jimjames418]

Or you can look at this anti-union site, which lists the total pay for staff of UAW....
http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/unionOfficers.cfm?id=149&year=2006

Not exactly making millions there...
:)) :)) :))

That is a UAW site. Owned and operated by the UAW.

For an anti-union site try this one (http://www.jackformichigan.org/core/2009/4/1/gm-ceo-accountable-to-the-president-uaw-president-accountabl.html).

[theDoctorIsIn]

:)) :)) :))

That is a UAW site. Owned and operated by the UAW.

For an anti-union site try this one (http://www.jackformichigan.org/core/2009/4/1/gm-ceo-accountable-to-the-president-uaw-president-accountabl.html).

Epic fail. www.unionfacts.org is owned and operated by these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Union_Facts). Clearly you didn't actually read the website, or you'd know that.

[mygorilla]

IMO, all labor unions should be declared null and voild and they should be immediately dismantled

[gossamer]

That was pretty well unprecedented in 1969. What are their salaries and bonuses today?

You are correct. The unions used to be for the workers, but now are only for the organizations only. They couldn't care less for the workers anymore.

Hey it's say whatever you make up and feel like day. Look at the average salary as compared between union workers and their non-union counterparts. Also see who is more likely to receive health coverage. Just a start.

[gossamer]

:)) :)) :))

That is a UAW site. Owned and operated by the UAW.

For an anti-union site try this one (http://www.jackformichigan.org/core/2009/4/1/gm-ceo-accountable-to-the-president-uaw-president-accountabl.html).

It is run by Rick Berman. The same guy who told us cigarettes are not a health hazard. Or anything else he was paid to tell us.