...including an anti-aircraft gun - Spin or fearmongering?

[Nevarwinter]

Story Here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1170064/Whats-nice-girl-like-doing-arsenal-like-Police-seize-20-year-old-guarding-vast-weapons-cache--including-anti-aircraft-gun.html)

Smirking for the camera, this is the 20-year-old woman Mexican police caught guarding an extraordinary arsenal of weapons.

Anahi Beltran Cabrera was seized during a routine patrol in Sonora state, near the U.S. border.

Officers recovered a vast cache of weapons including an anti-aircraft gun capable of firing 800 shots per minute, a number of rifles and an array of ammunition.

Now, I see the Browning .30 caliber on the right. I also see what looks to be a .50 on the left covered by ammo (probably so it won't show that it's a bolt action rifle). Which one is the anti-aircraft rifle?

Certainly not the 30, or the bolt action 50.

Am I missing something?

[Nevarwinter]

I got it. The Browning was used as an anti-aircraft machine gun in WWII, along with light infantry and mounted in aircraft as well.

Sorry for the confusion. They just wanted to make it sound scarier.

[birddog1]

I got it. The Browning was used as an anti-aircraft machine gun in WWII, along with light infantry and mounted in aircraft as well.

Sorry for the confusion. They just wanted to make it sound scarier.

Yeah, they didn't have a lot of luck with it then either. I imagine they would have even less since it is set up on an infantry based tripod.

[Greyclouds]

Yeah, they didn't have a lot of luck with it then either. I imagine they would have even less since it is set up on an infantry based tripod.

Not going to get the angle to shoot at planes with that tripod :lol:


Sure, the browning 30 cal could be used as an anti-aircraft gun, but not in that configuration.

[CaptPops]

Not going to get the angle to shoot at planes with that tripod :lol:


Sure, the browning 30 cal could be used as an anti-aircraft gun, but not in that configuration.



Planes have to land sometime, and then bang...

[Greyclouds]

Planes have to land sometime, and then bang...

:lol:

You, sir, are absolutely correct!

[ArmyMAJretired]

Bet that wasn't bought at a gun show! :wall:

[LouC]

planes have to land sometime, and then bang...

:)) :)) :)) :)) :))

[birddog1]

Planes have to land sometime, and then bang...

Doesn't do much good to shoot one on the ground especially with a 30-06, which would do little but poke holes through it. Plus the gun probably weighs over 30lbs and the tripod is likely even heavier so it isn't really concealable or easy to move around with out getting noticed.

The fact of the matter is that it is simply a crew served machine gun and the reporter either through ignorance or deliberate spin added in the anti-aircraft reference in for dramatic effect.

[birddog1]

Bet that wasn't bought at a gun show! :wall:

It had to, haven't you heard all of the drug cartels weapons come from gun shops and shows in the U.S.

[LouC]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/AAgun.jpg

Yeah I saw another article that claims this is the anti aircraft gun. :confused:

[birddog1]

Not going to get the angle to shoot at planes with that tripod :lol:


Sure, the browning 30 cal could be used as an anti-aircraft gun, but not in that configuration.

Even with the correct mount it would be of very questionable use. Might be good for shooting down crop dusters but I doubt it would be very good against a jet flying a mile or two high.

[LouC]

Even with the correct mount it would be of very questionable use. Might be good for shooting down crop dusters but I doubt it would be very good against a jet flying a mile or two high.

Frankly we have no way of knowing if those were really all illegal weapons seized or just Mexican police weapons used for a photo op.

[Oddball]

Even with the correct mount it would be of very questionable use. Might be good for shooting down crop dusters but I doubt it would be very good against a jet flying a mile or two high.
.30 cal guns were mounted on aircraft for ship-to-ship fighting early on in WWII. Most to all of them were eventually replaced by .50 cal guns.

Stretching the term "anti-aircraft gun" to its thinnest limit.

[LouC]

.30 cal guns were mounted on aircraft for ship-to-ship fighting early on in WWII. Most to all of them were eventually replaced by .50 cal guns.

Stretching the term "anti-aircraft gun" to its thinnest limit.

Much like stretching that 90% to 95% of cartel weapons are coming from American sources.

There is a undercurrent of deceit afoot with all of this D.C. and other interest in Mexico.

[ArmyMAJretired]

My bad, REAL MEN can use it as an anti aircraft weapon!!!


http://www.wwangle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/from-here-to-eternity.jpg

[Oddball]

Yeah....while they burn the **** out of the hand holding the barrel!! :lol:

[Nevarwinter]

When planes flew at 70 to 100 mph and were made of cloth and wood, this gun was dangerous.

[birddog1]

.30 cal guns were mounted on aircraft for ship-to-ship fighting early on in WWII. Most to all of them were eventually replaced by .50 cal guns.

Stretching the term "anti-aircraft gun" to its thinnest limit.

It is comparable to calling a flint lock an assault weapon, because it was used as such when it first came out.

[Samm]

My bad, REAL MEN can use it as an anti aircraft weapon!!!


http://www.wwangle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/from-here-to-eternity.jpg

Touché :))

[sgtmac_46]

Much like stretching that 90% to 95% of cartel weapons are coming from American sources.

There is a undercurrent of deceit afoot with all of this D.C. and other interest in Mexico.

They're embarrassed by the TRUTH! The truth is that the 'Los Zetas' running the Gulf Cartel, and responsible for much of the violence along the border, are EX-MILITARY commandos, trained by the Mexican government, and many of them trained by the US in the SOA school at Fort Benning, GA., that they are working in close cooperation with the Mexican Military and Mexican State Police, and that they don't NEED to get weapons from the US gun shows, they can get the weapons we sell the Mexican Military!

All these are embarrassing facts, especially to the Mexican government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas


So these clowns would rather blame this on America than discuss the REAL PROBLEM!

They want us in the US to believe that these Los Zetas are criminal thugs, like our own street gangs......the REALITY is that they drive down the street, in the OPEN, in armored SUV's, often times in State Police uniforms and markings!

[Cav Scout]

They're embarrassed by the TRUTH! The truth is that the 'Los Zetas' running the Gulf Cartel, and responsible for much of the violence along the border, are EX-MILITARY commandos, trained by the Mexican government, and many of them trained by the US in the SOA school at Fort Benning, GA., that they are working in close cooperation with the Mexican Military and Mexican State Police, and that they don't NEED to get weapons from the US gun shows, they can get the weapons we sell the Mexican Military!

All these are embarrassing facts, especially to the Mexican government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas


So these clowns would rather blame this on America than discuss the REAL PROBLEM!

They want us in the US to believe that these Los Zetas are criminal thugs, like our own street gangs......the REALITY is that they drive down the street, in the OPEN, in armored SUV's, often times in State Police uniforms and markings!

Yep.

It is still our fault..we built the SUV's..:D

[sgtmac_46]

Yep.

It is still our fault..we built the SUV's..:D

Yeah, though they were probably assembled in a plant in Mexico! :))

[MrShotShot]

I wonder if the reporter ever contemplated using the following headline:

"Twenty-year old arrested guarding weapons cache including fifty-year old WWII light machine gun"

Not as sexy as "antiaircraft gun"

[Cav Scout]

I wonder if the reporter ever contemplated using the following headline:

"Twenty-year old arrested guarding weapons cache including fifty-year old WWII light machine gun"

Not as sexy as "antiaircraft gun"

Now, just where is the 'Drama' in that?

:D

[GA_LP]

I wonder if the reporter ever contemplated using the following headline:

"Twenty-year old arrested guarding weapons cache including fifty-year old WWII light machine gun"

Not as sexy as "antiaircraft gun"
It has no punch, no bite, no 'joi de vive'. Why tell the truth when a 'little' white lie serves the agenda far better.