Has '24' gone liberal?

[dad49er]

An evil industrialist, a corrupt military-industrial complex, private armies doing terrorist acts on US soil, moles in the FBI, and last night a possible stem cell cure. All followed up by a PSA to join the fight on global warming by one of the shows main stores.

Simple question, has '24' gone liberal?

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah the Sutherlands are rock-ribbed Republicans.

[ddye]

An evil industrialist, a corrupt military-industrial complex, private armies doing terrorist acts on US soil, moles in the FBI, and last night a possible stem cell cure. All followed up by a PSA to join the fight on global warming by one of the shows main stores.

Simple question, has '24' gone liberal?
Since they began filming last spring, I thought that the President was modeled on Hillary.

I admit that I have always loved 24 (except when they get caught up in kidnapping people, that's pretty stupid) since the first season. I don't usually even consider where a show is coming from ideologically.

Besides, the show even backs up my own view that torture may be necessary in extreme circumstances, but it's not to be taken lightly, and must be reviewed afterwards.

Doug

P.S. And stem cell cure would come from the daughter, so it's not an embrionic stem cell issue..

[gb2004]

Washington politics?

[ddye]

Washington politics?
Absolutely. Goes to the issue of torture.

Doug

[monkeymom]

I think the global warming commercials tell more about the direction of the show than anything. Thank God I have a DVR and skip right past those - I might have to quit watching otherwise. Kinda turns my stomach that the show is on board that train.

[CrusaderFrank]

The kid from Slumdog Millionaire has signed up to join 24 next season

[Stantz]

the real question --
is Star Trek going libertarian?

[ddye]

I think the global warming commercials tell more about the direction of the show than anything. Thank God I have a DVR and skip right past those - I might have to quit watching otherwise.Heaven help you ever be forced to see anything you disagree with...

Doug

[Ex_Spy_Guy]

Does Jack grab the terrorists hands and weep for them and ask them what has made them so bad?

[dad49er]

I think the global warming commercials tell more about the direction of the show than anything. Thank God I have a DVR and skip right past those - I might have to quit watching otherwise. Kinda turns my stomach that the show is on board that train.

Isn't the lady that made the GW PSA (Chloe) the same person that Rush gushed over, and kissed full on the lips?
Might have turned his stomach.
Rush has usually talked about the show every season, except for the Richard Nixon knock off, but he hasn't mentioned the show this year as far as I know.

[dad49er]

Does Jack grab the terrorists hands and weep for them and ask them what has made them so bad?

He got weepy with his daughter, showing a softer side, not that I wouldn't have.
And if Tony has turned to the terrorists side, well we'll see.

[Ex_Spy_Guy]

He got weepy with his daughter, ....



His daughter is a terrorist?

Forgive my ignorance...i dont watch much TV since i bought COD W@W

[SabercatPuck]

Isn't the lady that made the GW PSA (Chloe) the same person that Rush gushed over, and kissed full on the lips?
Might have turned his stomach.
Rush has usually talked about the show every season, except for the Richard Nixon knock off, but he hasn't mentioned the show this year as far as I know.
I know Glen Beck has made several mentions of the AGW PSA over the weeks that they have shown. As for is the show going liberal, well the actors involved have for the most part always been liberal, so it is no surprise that they are just finally showing it a bit more.

(slightly off topic but I did love the Global Warming comment in the last episode of ER, little homage to Michael Crighton)

[ddye]

(slightly off topic but I did love the Global Warming comment in the last episode of ER, little homage to Michael Crighton)
Except that Michael Crighton was always firmly uncommitted on the subject of global warming. Read "State Of Fear".

Doug

[SabercatPuck]

He got weepy with his daughter, showing a softer side, not that I wouldn't have.
And if Tony has turned to the terrorists side, well we'll see.
Tony's fate may well be determined in the first few minutes, if he really did do in the FBI guy, then I don't see any coming back, but it is still possible that he faked it (ala jack earlier)

[shrek]

His daughter is a terrorist?

Forgive my ignorance...i dont watch much TV since i bought COD W@W

:))No Jack Bauer is dieing and he cried with his daughter.

Of course he will be saved. No way they are going to kill off the shows star, especially since their ratings are still rather high.

This season their liberal ideology though really has begun to leak into the show rather strongly.

And I love it when Rich liberals choose to lecture others on Global warming.

If they were really that concerned about it they would quit the show. Move to a cabin in the back woods and never ever be heard from again.

Cameras, Special effects and all of the technology surrounding a TV show use far more energy than I ever will.

That being said I am still a die hard fan of the show. Although have you noticed with each season they seem to be following the 24 hour process less and less??????????

Yes they still have the clock ticking in the corner. My point is that they now are say 20 minutes away from the office in real life. But in the show get there between commercial breaks. Last week, when the PResidents daughter slepped with the reporter she talked to her mom afterwards as she was getting in the elevator and after the commercial break she was standing with her mom.

There is no way. I have been to Washington. Traffic alone would make that impossible.

[nick21ia]

Considering they still use torture and Jack doesnt care because it gets the job done. While the whinny FBI agent who is concerned about torture sits around and lets **** happen, I am pretty sure the show is solidly conservative. Plus the global warming ads were in commercials, not the show itself. Plus do Conservatives have problems with adult stem cells used in the therapy?

[shrek]

Tony's fate may well be determined in the first few minutes, if he really did do in the FBI guy, then I don't see any coming back, but it is still possible that he faked it (ala jack earlier)

I doubt this one was faked. the FBI guy is most definitively dead.

[shrek]

Considering they still use torture and Jack doesnt care because it gets the job done. While the whinny FBI agent who is concerned about torture sits around and lets **** happen, I am pretty sure the show is solidly conservative.

I remember in the first show of season 2 when he finds out that a White Supremist Biker is looking for his rivals head. Jack brings the rival into CIC and shoots him right away. No interigation, no nothing. Just shoots him and says get me a chain saw.

I knew right then this was not your typical liberal show.

He used the head to get him into see the white Supremicist biker.

[SabercatPuck]

Except that Michael Crighton was always firmly uncommitted on the subject of global warming. Read "State Of Fear".

Doug
He was commited to a course of scientific research that took place without bias.
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-senatetestimony.html

I have recently picked up a copy of State of Fear but have not had a chance to read it yet, hopefully get to go to Norman, OK for a class soon, that would be a good chance.

[shrek]

He was commited to a course of scientific research that took place without bias.
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-senatetestimony.html

I have recently picked up a copy of State of Fear but have not had a chance to read it yet, hopefully get to go to Norman, OK for a class soon, that would be a good chance.


Its a good book. You will see a lot of parrallels between the modern global warming movement and what happens in the book.

Makes you think long and hard.

Crchton was smart and I'd say one of the better writers out there. Its a shame he died rather early in life. I am betting he had at least a few more good books in him.

It is a shame that Hollywood tended to tear apart and butcher his books when they made them into movies.

[TheModerateOne]

An evil industrialist, a corrupt military-industrial complex, private armies doing terrorist acts on US soil, moles in the FBI, and last night a possible stem cell cure. All followed up by a PSA to join the fight on global warming by one of the shows main stores.

Simple question, has '24' gone liberal?

Eh, I don't know, this season Bauer has been pretty open about doing what needs to be done, damn the ethical concerns. I'm not really bothered by the things you mentioned. I thought the PSA took some cheek. Lord knows how much carbon is blown off in the making of that show, and lord knows how much carbon the rich stars blow off on a daily basis. It just seems half-assed.

[ddye]

He was commited to a course of scientific research that took place without bias.
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-senatetestimony.html

I have recently picked up a copy of State of Fear but have not had a chance to read it yet, hopefully get to go to Norman, OK for a class soon, that would be a good chance.
State Of Fear makes the basic statement that the environmental movement has basically become just another fund raising/lobbying group, and thus, its statements should not necessarily be accepted as gospel. He makes the same point about ANTI-green groups too.

He states in a few places that that being said, the green movement DOES have a lot of relevant evidence, he just thinks that they make global warming science sound a lot more proven than it actually is.

Don't misunderstand me, the book is in no way an ANTI green book at all.

Doug

[monkeymom]

Heaven help you ever be forced to see anything you disagree with...

Doug

Well you know, freedom of choice and all ....... that door swings both ways.

[monkeymom]

Isn't the lady that made the GW PSA (Chloe) the same person that Rush gushed over, and kissed full on the lips?


I honestly don't know - really don't follow Rush too much.

[Kelzan]

I don't think the show has gone liberal, the show has always (and still does) hold the 'whatever it takes' view. The show does try to show both sides in politics though which is a good thing.

[SabercatPuck]

Rush is talking about the psa right now

[dad49er]

Tony's fate may well be determined in the first few minutes, if he really did do in the FBI guy, then I don't see any coming back, but it is still possible that he faked it (ala jack earlier)

As far fetched as that sounds, I was thinking the same.

[dad49er]

Considering they still use torture and Jack doesnt care because it gets the job done. While the whinny FBI agent who is concerned about torture sits around and lets **** happen, I am pretty sure the show is solidly conservative. Plus the global warming ads were in commercials, not the show itself. Plus do Conservatives have problems with adult stem cells used in the therapy?

The amount of torture seems way down this season.

[pattyk]

I don't think the show has gone liberal, the show has always (and still does) hold the 'whatever it takes' view. The show does try to show both sides in politics though which is a good thing.

Rush explained.

the clip about GW was AFTER the show was over and the president of Fox ordered that message to be read.

I believe that Fox is doing that for other shows.

the message had nothing to do with the actual show itself.

[dad49er]

Rush explained.

the clip about GW was AFTER the show was over and the president of Fox ordered that message to be read.

I believe that Fox is doing that for other shows.

the message had nothing to do with the actual show itself.

The PSA just seemed to be topping on the cake, IMO.
This years story line seems more liberal. A mad corporate CEO, a private Army (Blackwater?) running amok. The evil military-industrial complex, etc.
If the show was on NBC I think conservatives would be all over it.

[Greatest American]

My grandfather considers all creativity liberal. That's why he boycotts talkies in general.

[shrek]

The PSA just seemed to be topping on the cake, IMO.
This years story line seems more liberal. A mad corporate CEO, a private Army (Blackwater?) running amok. The evil military-industrial complex, etc.
If the show was on NBC I think conservatives would be all over it.


Everyone already knows that Fox Entertainment is far more liberal than FNC. Shoot we the Simpsons, the Family Guy and American Dad are all evidence of that.

The reality is that movies and TV shows for the last 40 years have had mad corporate CEO's private armies and evil military industrial complexes.

:))Shoot your describing the plot of almost every single Bond Movie made since the 1960's.

Minus the cute chicks of course. :twisted:

[ValricoKate]

adding garafolo or wth her name is had me wondering.

[chip]

An evil industrialist, a corrupt military-industrial complex, private armies doing terrorist acts on US soil, moles in the FBI, and last night a possible stem cell cure. All followed up by a PSA to join the fight on global warming by one of the shows main stores.

Simple question, has '24' gone liberal?
Has nothing to do with 24, it has everything to do with Fox Studios. They rolled out a huge initiative 2 years ago to reduce the companies energy footprint. They have had energy conservation tips at the 24 website for 2 years now.

[Silk]

Well, I don't think 24 has jumped the liberal shark...
While it does have a corporate terrorism line going this year, they have to mix it up once in awhile and keep it different from the other seasons.

Regarding State of Fear, that is a fun book to read, I don't like the thought of Michael not writing again, he always had books that were just fun to read and I agree with the poster who said most of his books were butchered by Hollywood....SPOILER ALERT>hmmmm wonder if they would make a movie of State of Fear and have Sean Penn be the Hollywood guy that gets eaten by cannibals..I may actually go see a movie with him in it ;)

[shrek]

Well, I don't think 24 has jumped the liberal shark...
While it does have a corporate terrorism line going this year, they have to mix it up once in awhile and keep it different from the other seasons.

Regarding State of Fear, that is a fun book to read, I don't like the thought of Michael not writing again, he always had books that were just fun to read and I agree with the poster who said most of his books were butchered by Hollywood....SPOILER ALERT>hmmmm wonder if they would make a movie of State of Fear and have Sean Penn be the Hollywood guy that gets eaten by cannibals..I may actually go see a movie with him in it ;)

LOL that was me that said his books are butchered by Hollywood and LOL I would love to see Sean Penn get killed. :twisted:

But I was looking forward to Jeff Goldblum Get killed in Jurasic Park as his character "Malcolm" did in the book. But that did not happen.

I loved "TimeLine" the book. But Timeline the Movie was stupid and pathetic at best. All of Crichton's Salient points in the book were completely destroyed or glossed over in the movie. It was pathetic.

I wonder what Author will step up and fill Michael Crichton's shoes. So far I have seen none that even come close.

[shrek]

adding garafolo or wth her name is had me wondering.

From what I understand, she is good friends with not only Kiefer but the producers as well.

I am betting they put her in this season since she lost her job at AA and was not getting paid by them for the last several months.

Since that was the case, I doubt she will be the spy.

[wayoverthehill]

The PSA just seemed to be topping on the cake, IMO.
This years story line seems more liberal. A mad corporate CEO, a private Army (Blackwater?) running amok. The evil military-industrial complex, etc.
If the show was on NBC I think conservatives would be all over it.I found it rather amusing that the crazed Jonas Hodges is being played by Jon Voight, one of the most conservative actors in Hollywood.

I didn't appreciate the PSA either.