Does Joe Biden Lie?

[troy]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

[Dacarlo]

Yes.

[flashycopy]

No ,Biden simply states what he believes is the truth.

[chip]

Does the pope wear a pointed hat?

Are the Kennedys gun shy?

[zantax]

No ,Biden simply states what he believes is the truth.


So, he's delusional?

[Let Freedom Reign]

Read mu previous posts.....a resounding YYYEEESSSS!!!! Did Bush lie .....NO, he was given bad information given also to Clinton, Kerry and every other C &R who pretends to be patriotic...now. Bush was and is patriotic now. Can you leftwings say the same of your guy? How is your life going now?? If not good, continue and blame the all powerful God Bush four months after your guy took office, and six months after he was proclaimed the leader of free nations...The stockmarket does not lie; they predict future economy based on Obama's promises and react to it.

[Darkwind]

Are his lips moving?

[CommercialFishinGal]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

Ofcourse he lies.....he's a politician. ;)

[nancie2k]

do bears poop in the woods :)

[Let Freedom Reign]

President Clinton, nothing against him per say (I have a lot more respect for him and his administration than I do Obama currently); also left his office with a recession for Bush to inherit when he came in office. Nothing against Clinton, that just the way the economy works.....up and down, and up again if you leave it alone and allow the private secture to do its job. However, after a very contentious election thanks to Al Gore bringing the state and national justice system into if after numerous recounts; and after 9/11; and the economy tanked; Bush was able to stabilize and get it back on track and even boom for 2002 through 2006; until the democrat congress won in 2007 due to nasty tricks, false promises, etc., and the economy again sancked.....Fanny and May pushed the stake in the heart of the bankers, requiring them to give loans to people who could not pay them back or even keep their houses. Bush fought against it but was overruled by the Democrat congress. In November, Bush did not want to; but said he would if Obama asked and felt it was necessary, to help his new founding administration, ask Congress for a bailout from Congress from the banks. Obama asked him the next day; and as a courtesy Bush complied.
Unlike his predecessors, Bush when asked by news media what he thinks of Obama's administration and policies, has responded by saying 'Obama deserves my silence'. Apparently Obama, Clinten, Carter and others have no such curtesy or class. Just saying, in a time of war one might think......

[opsyscw]

Is obama a kenyan muslim?

[Let Freedom Reign]

:wall::))Read mu previous posts.....a resounding YYYEEESSSS!!!! Did Bush lie .....NO, he was given bad information given also to Clinton, Kerry and every other C &R who pretends to be patriotic...now. Bush was and is patriotic now. Can you leftwings say the same of your guy? How is your life going now?? If not good, continue and blame the all powerful God Bush four months after your guy took office, and six months after he was proclaimed the leader of free nations...The stockmarket does not lie; they predict future economy based on Obama's promises and react to it. :wall::))
President Clinton, nothing against him per say (I have a lot more respect for him and his administration than I do Obama currently); also left his office with a recession for Bush to inherit when he came in office. Nothing against Clinton, that just the way the economy works.....up and down, and up again if you leave it alone and allow the private secture to do its job. However, after a very contentious election thanks to Al Gore bringing the state and national justice system into if after numerous recounts; and after 9/11; and the economy tanked; Bush was able to stabilize and get it back on track and even boom for 2002 through 2006; until the democrat congress won in 2007 due to nasty tricks, false promises, etc., and the economy again sancked.....Fanny and May pushed the stake in the heart of the bankers, requiring them to give loans to people who could not pay them back or even keep their houses. Bush fought against it but was overruled by the Democrat congress. In November, Bush did not want to; but said he would if Obama asked and felt it was necessary, to help his new founding administration, ask Congress for a bailout from Congress from the banks. Obama asked him the next day; and as a courtesy Bush complied.
Unlike his predecessors, Bush when asked by news media what he thinks of Obama's administration and policies, has responded by saying 'Obama deserves my silence'. Apparently Obama, Clinten, Carter and others have no such curtesy or class. Just saying, in a time of war one might think......

[Samm]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

Does Joe Biden breathe? He is a serial liar and always has been. Why do you think he get away with it? His lying is so accepted that his friends cover for him with "oh... that's just Joe."

[who]

Name a politician who does not lie:

Here, go head: _________________________

[zantax]

Name a politician who does not lie:

Here, go head: _________________________

Give us a lie by GWB. And remember, you have to be able to prove it was a lie.

[gb2004]

Is the North Pole cold?

Is water wet?

[itsrea]

Does Joe Biden lie?

Like a rug.

[who]

Give us a lie by GWB. And remember, you have to be able to prove it was a lie.
Can you PROVE Biden lied? All we have are second hand statements. That's not proof .

(not saying he didn't, just by your standards - it cannot be PROVEN.)

And if you for a minute think GWB never lied...<cough, choke> sorry having a little bit of a hard time swallowing you could even entertain that notion.

[dwatts26726]

Can you PROVE Biden lied? All we have are second hand statements. That's not proof .

(not saying he didn't, just by your standards - it cannot be PROVEN.)

And if you for a minute think GWB never lied...<cough, choke> sorry having a little bit of a hard time swallowing you could even entertain that notion.

Didn't Biden say he spoke to someone in a restaurant that had closed years before? Thus the entire scenario was fabricated. A proven lie.

Edit: He said he spends a lot of time there...which he obviously doesn't, still a lie. lol

[Seedy]

It appears that Biden may be a habitual liar, but the jury is still out on that.

It also appears that he makes up crap while he's jaw-jacking (which is akin to lying, but he does it on the fly).

Do all politicians "lie"? Probably. It seems that Biden lies for expediency, not just with big things, but with the small things... something that not all politicians appear to do.

Bottom line: Biden appears to lie about big things, about small things, about important and unimportant things. I've never trusted him and I'll probably never trust him.

[who]

Didn't Biden say he spoke to someone in a restaurant that had closed years before? Thus the entire scenario was fabricated. A proven lie.

Edit: He said he spends a lot of time there...which he obviously doesn't, still a lie. lol
I was told during the Bush years, by his defenders - he had to know it to be a lie in order for it truly to be one.

People's memories are faulty. I don't think your example proves anything.

[who]

It appears that Biden may be a habitual liar, but the jury is still out on that.

It also appears that he makes up crap while he's jaw-jacking (which is akin to lying, but he does it on the fly).

Do all politicians "lie"? Probably. It seems that Biden lies for expediency, not just with big things, but with the small things... something that not all politicians appear to do.

Bottom line: Biden appears to lie about big things, about small things, about important and unimportant things. I've never trusted him and I'll probably never trust him.
Seedy! My man! Nice to seeds you again. :hug:

[jimjames418]

I was told during the Bush years, by his defenders - he had to know it to be a lie in order for it truly to be one.

People's memories are faulty. I don't think your example proves anything.
What about the time his chopper was forced down in the mountains of Afgran by terrorists?

Hell even John Kerry, who was on the trip with him, says it landed due to weather, not terrorists.

Does that qualify as a lie for you?

[NightTrain]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

Yes...

Often....

[who]

What about the time his chopper was forced down in the mountains of Afgran by terrorists?

Hell even John Kerry, who was on the trip with him, says it landed due to weather, not terrorists.

Does that qualify as a lie for you?

First of all, I think ALL politicians lie and exaggerate. ALL of them. End of story - so enough with that.

If you think otherwise, you are extremely naive.

On your chopper point: Please produce the quote in question by Biden that included in it the word terrorists. Thanks in Advance.

[who]

By the way jimjames: I can save you some time. It ain't there.

[Claymore]

Does Joe Biden Lie?

Is he got his mouth open? Is he breating? Is he talking?

Yes? He's lying.

[Claymore]

So, he's delusional?

Of course, he's a Liberal.:rolleyes:

[GibsonSG]

Yes, Joe Biden is a liar.
More so than your average politician.

It would be harder to find a Truth he has told, than to find a Lie he has told.

[jimjames418]

First of all, I think ALL politicians lie and exaggerate. ALL of them. End of story - so enough with that.

If you think otherwise, you are extremely naive.

On your chopper point: Please produce the quote in question by Biden that included in it the word terrorists. Thanks in Advance.
No, the word terrorists was not used. His actual quote was:
“If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me,” Biden said. “Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.”
It was said to an audience of National Guardsmen.

And I do believe that any time a politicans lips are moving they are lying.

IMHO most politicans lie even when the truth will suit their cause better.

[DaveKlassix]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

Does Joe Biden plagiarize?

[DaveKlassix]

First of all, I think ALL politicians lie and exaggerate. ALL of them. End of story - so enough with that.

If you think otherwise, you are extremely naive.

On your chopper point: Please produce the quote in question by Biden that included in it the word terrorists. Thanks in Advance.

Including your messiah hussein?

[NightTrain]

Does Joe Biden plagiarize?

Yes...

Does he have plugs?

[who]

No, the word terrorists was not used. His actual quote was:

It was said to an audience of National Guardsmen.

And I do believe that any time a politicans lips are moving they are lying.

IMHO most politicans lie even when the truth will suit their cause better.
There was no lie there. His chopper was forced down. Did he say it was forced down under fire? No.

There was certainly an intent to deceive though when YOU said he said his chopper was "forced down... by terrorists."

Or did you just make a <cough> gaffe there?

hmmm. :think:

[FernandoF]

Not always. Sometimes he's too drunk and he just sings and dances.

[who]

Including your messiah hussein?
He is not my messiah. He is my president - and yours too.

And yes, he is a politician, so he has lied. I made a pretty clear cut statement, without qualifiers, when I said ALL politicians lie.

Is that clear enough for you?

[withoutfeathers]

I was told during the Bush years, by his defenders - he had to know it to be a lie in order for it truly to be one.

People's memories are faulty. I don't think your example proves anything.I'm willing to bet that Joe Biden knew:
1) His helicopter was not forced down by the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan;
2) Graduating 76th in his law school class of 85 students did not put him in the "top half" of his class;
3) That he received one undergraduate degree, not three, as he claimed;
4) And whether or not he received a "full scholarship" to law school (he did not, although he claimed he did).

So, using the standard that you set out for determining whether or not Joe Biden is a liar: He is, in spades.

[jimjames418]

There was no lie there. His chopper was forced down. Did he say it was forced down under fire? No.

There was certainly an intent to deceive though when YOU said he said his chopper was "forced down... by terrorists."

Or did you just make a <cough> gaffe there?

hmmm. :think:
I was going by what was published in the MSM. Don't blame me for them getting it wrong. :D

[withoutfeathers]

There was no lie there. His chopper was forced down. Did he say it was forced down under fire? No.

There was certainly an intent to deceive though when YOU said he said his chopper was "forced down... by terrorists."

Or did you just make a <cough> gaffe there?

hmmm. :think:There was also, plainly, an intent to deceive when he said:
"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me, come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

His statement about the helicopter being "forced down" was prefixed and suffixed with comments about "where Al Qaeda lives" in an obvious attempt to imply that they were responsible for "forc[ing] down" his helicopter.

[who]

I was going by what was published in the MSM. Don't blame me for them getting it wrong. :D
THEY didn't get it wrong. YOU did. Unless you can show me a main stream publication that said HE said the chopper was "forced down by terrorists."

He didn't. And no paper published that he said that.
You messed up. You made a statement say what he never did.

This is the perfect thread for that category of statements.

[who]

There was also, plainly, an intent to deceive when he said:
"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me, come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

His statement about the helicopter being "forced down" was prefixed and suffixed with comments about "where Al Qaeda lives" in an obvious attempt to imply that they were responsible for "forc[ing] down" his helicopter.
Yes, Joe Biden's Helicopter Really Was "Forced Down" in Afghanistan

— By Nick Baumann (http://www.motherjones.com/authors/nick-baumann) | Tue September 23, 2008 2:31 PM PST

One of the narratives the blogs are talking about this week is that Joe Biden is—gasp!—"gaffe-prone." Nevermind the fact that this has been the story about Biden for 30 years: now journalists are even finding gaffes where none exist. In a post on The Stump (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/22/biden-s-dispatch-from-the-woodshed.aspx) exploring Biden's unfortunate attack on his own campaign's ad (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5idAu75NA23JLRYgG20wf4pAowpGAD93C985O0), Michael Crowley claims that this Joe Biden anecdote is a "gaffe":"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.
In an unsigned follow-up post on The Plank (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/23/biden-gaffe-o-meter.aspx) (accompanied by an awful Slate-style "gaffe meter"), someone claims that this quote "could teeter into Hillary-in-Bosnia territory." But what exactly is wrong or misleading or inaccurate about Biden's story?

The Jake Tapper post (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-story-behin.html) Crowley links to is an admirably straightforward fact-check of the story—it turns out Biden's helicopter was forced down by a snowstorm. But did Biden say the helicopter was "forced down under fire" or even "shot at"? No. And Tapper points out that Biden went on, saying this:[John McCain] says he'll follow [Al Qaeda] to the gates of hell. You don't have to go to hell. Just go to Pakistan. Just go to that area. That superhighway of terror that exists between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Biden's right on in the rest of the quote, too: As far as we know Al Qaeda and bin Laden are in what Biden calls, "That superhighway of terror that exists between Afghanistan and Pakistan."

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/09/yes-joe-bidens-helicopter-really-was-forced-down-afghanistan

[dwatts26726]

I was told during the Bush years, by his defenders - he had to know it to be a lie in order for it truly to be one.

People's memories are faulty. I don't think your example proves anything.

I think it proves you'll ignore anything to defend someone.

He wasn't talking about a restaurant that had closed a year or two before. It hadn't been around in 10+ years...

[who]

I'm willing to bet that Joe Biden knew:
1) His helicopter was not forced down by the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan;
2) Graduating 76th in his law school class of 85 students did not put him in the "top half" of his class;
3) That he received one undergraduate degree, not three, as he claimed;
4) And whether or not he received a "full scholarship" to law school (he did not, although he claimed he did).

So, using the standard that you set out for determining whether or not Joe Biden is a liar: He is, in spades.


1) He never said it was.
2) ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inaccurate.'' - Biden
His recollection. I stated memories are inaccurate. Did he lie? Maybe. Only he knows.
I am going by the Bush Standard now. Remember, it was you folks who pushed that last Administration.
3) ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors - I said 'three' and should have said 'two.' See above.
4) ''My recollection is - and I'd have to confirm this - but I don't recall paying any money to go to law school.'' Ditto Above.

Fail.

Did he embellish? Yup. He stated these facts according to his recollection.

Can we call it a lie? I'll agree he lied when your side agrees Bush lied. A lot.

I reiterate: ALL politicians lie. All.

[who]

I think it proves you'll ignore anything to defend someone.

He wasn't talking about a restaurant that had closed a year or two before. It hadn't been around in 10+ years...
“Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”

Wow. What a haa-umongously haaaUUge Liar he is. God that man is just sick with lies!

[itsrea]

No, the word terrorists was not used. His actual quote was:

It was said to an audience of National Guardsmen.

And I do believe that any time a politicans lips are moving they are lying.

IMHO most politicans lie even when the truth will suit their cause better.
Originally Posted by Joe Biden
“If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me,” Biden said. “Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.”


I love that part... if he knew Osama was there why didn't he get him and save us all some heartache?

[Mohawk5]

Does a bear dookie in the woods?

[who]

I love that part... if he knew Osama was there why didn't he get him and save us all some heartache?





I don't think they allow Senators to garb up in cammy's and go head-hunting in the wilds



-but I could be wrong.

[F_Rat-46]

Does a bear dookie in the woods?

Darn, you took the words right out of my mouth, so I guess I'm stuck with "Does a fat baby f*rt?"

[Samm]

Is the North Pole cold?
Not according to Al Gore...

Is water wet?Not at the North Pole regardless of what Al Gore says. ;)

[troy]

I find the lack of liberal response on this thread interesting. I do believe that even the liberals know that Joe Biden is a habitual liar and exaggerates fact and in many instances adds to the story even out of context.

I challenge any liberal to actually come up with an argument that excuses the vice presidents habit of not telling the truth and therefore makes it OK. Please don't throw the Bush card...it's really old and has been debated too many times. It's not about Bush or any other conervative anymore and besides, does their past mistakes excuse the current administrations mistakes? It's about the current vice president of the United States and the fact that he is a liar and lacks credibility. This makes him a complete liability for the president and if I were the president I would tell him to shut up, stick to facts and ride out the three years or so he will have to enjoy the position because he won't be running on the ticket in 2012.

I predict come the next presidential election season that Joe Biden will suddenly feel the need to retire from politics in order to spend more time with his familiy and concentrate on paying his taxes like all good patriotic Amercicans do.

Joe Biden is a liar and a big talker who says things to impress himself mostly...or maybe it's things he wishes he had the balls to say and then somehow in his own mind he actually thinks he said it or did it. He's an idiot. He may be an educated idiot and liar, but he is an idiot and liar all the same.

[Samm]

It appears that Biden may be a habitual liar, but the jury is still out on that.

It also appears that he makes up crap while he's jaw-jacking (which is akin to lying, but he does it on the fly).

Do all politicians "lie"? Probably. It seems that Biden lies for expediency, not just with big things, but with the small things... something that not all politicians appear to do.

Bottom line: Biden appears to lie about big things, about small things, about important and unimportant things. I've never trusted him and I'll probably never trust him.

Biden is no doubt a habitual liar... he lies about anything and with no real purpose. His lies are transparent... everybody knows when he is lying... and he has done it his entire public life so for the most part, he get a pass.

Obama on the other hand is a very accomplished liar. He lies so well that it is impossible to tell when he may be telling the truth. Every word he utters is calculated and carefully timed (and mostly crafted by a speech writer.) His lies blend seamlessly with truth so as to become indistinguishable. I believe Biden's overt lying is precisely why Obama chose him as his running mate. Comic relief and distractive cover.

[JohnRandolph]

Does Joe Biden Lie?


Joe Biden is a politician.
Politicians lie.
Joe Biden lies.

What's so hard to understand?

[MarkyS]

.........Did he embellish? Yup. He stated these facts according to his recollection.

Can we call it a lie? I'll agree he lied when your side agrees Bush lied. A lot.

I reiterate: ALL politicians lie. All.


You keep alluding to Bush lying, or keep implying that he too poorly "recollected." What lie are you refering to? When did he make a statement that was a recollection later proven to be false?

M

[mrsc696]

1) He never said it was.
2) ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inaccurate.'' - Biden
His recollection. I stated memories are inaccurate. Did he lie? Maybe. Only he knows.
I am going by the Bush Standard now. Remember, it was you folks who pushed that last Administration.
3) ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors - I said 'three' and should have said 'two.' See above.
4) ''My recollection is - and I'd have to confirm this - but I don't recall paying any money to go to law school.'' Ditto Above.

Fail.

Did he embellish? Yup. He stated these facts according to his recollection.

Can we call it a lie? I'll agree he lied when your side agrees Bush lied. A lot.

I reiterate: ALL politicians lie. All.

I think Scooter Libby went to prison for his best recollection.

[Johnt63]

Biden has been caught in several prominent lies. Being shelled in the Green zone, being forced down in Afghanistan, saying he spent hours with the President (there's a note taker there whenever the Pres meets with Senators...... etc etc..... He was caught plagiarizing back when he ran for Pres. When doesn't he lie is the real question. I don't believe all politicians lie. I do believe that the ones who do receive a lot of attention. Such is the way of things in today's society.

[Middy]

So, he's delusional?

He was delusional when he plagiarized a speech by a British politician in 1988 when he was running for President. Other allegations of past law school plagiarism and exaggerating his academic record soon followed. Biden withdrew from the race later that month.

He has been caught in lies and exaggerations throughout his career. If he really believes those lies, then he is definitely delusional and unfit for any political office.

One of my favorites is when he spoke about the conversations he had with people regularly inside a little luncheonette. It turned out that the place he referred to had been out of business for 20 years.

[DaveKlassix]

He is not my messiah. He is my president - and yours too.

And yes, he is a politician, so he has lied. I made a pretty clear cut statement, without qualifiers, when I said ALL politicians lie.

Is that clear enough for you?

Don't go assuming he's "my president" because he isn't, and never will be. Funny though how asking if it included him got your panties in such a tizzy.

[who]

He's your president. Like it or not. He is your president.

[Blemonds]

No ,Biden simply states what he believes is the truth.
In which case you seem to be suggesting that he's delusional. I'm not sure which is worse, that he's delusional or that he intentionally lies

[zantax]

Can you PROVE Biden lied? All we have are second hand statements. That's not proof .

(not saying he didn't, just by your standards - it cannot be PROVEN.)

And if you for a minute think GWB never lied...<cough, choke> sorry having a little bit of a hard time swallowing you could even entertain that notion.


Sure, Biden admitted to lying when he was caught plagiarizing back in the day. Your turn.

[noelle12]

Don't go assuming he's "my president" because he isn't, and never will be . . .

I have never heard the phrase "your president" used before President Obama. I totally accept the fact the Pres Obama is the President of the United States, but he does not represent my political views at all. I never referred to President Bush as "my president" and I never heard any democrat push for the use of the term "your president" when Clinton was in the White House. Why is there such a push to get non Obama supporters to refer to him as "our president" now?

[who]

Sure, Biden admitted to lying when he was caught plagiarizing back in the day. Your turn.
Yes, he admitted he made a mistake and was wrong. (shortly afterwards he was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm.) No excuse however. He was wrong. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Do I have to keep reminding you of this?

At least he did better than Bush. Beyond Bush's huge lies as a president, and a candidate, at the same time in Bush's career as Biden's, Dubya lied outright when he was asked if he was arrested for anything after 1968. He said "No."
Then he was caught.

I still submit you will not be able to find a politician who doesn't lie.

[who]

I have never heard the phrase "your president" used before President Obama. I totally accept the fact the Pres Obama is the President of the United States, but he does not represent my political views at all. I never referred to President Bush as "my president" and I never heard any democrat push for the use of the term "your president" when Clinton was in the White House. Why is there such a push to get non Obama supporters to refer to him as "our president" now?
Just because you never heard it, does not mean it was not referred to in the past.

Many times during the Bush presidency I was informed he was My president. I didn't like it, but I did accept he was, indeed, my president.

[zantax]

Yes, he admitted he made a mistake and was wrong. (shortly afterwards he was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm.) No excuse however. He was wrong. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Do I have to keep reminding you of this?

At least he did better than Bush. Beyond Bush's huge lies as a president, and a candidate, at the same time in Bush's career as Biden's, Dubya lied outright when he was asked if he was arrested for anything after 1968. He said "No."
Then he was caught.

I still submit you will not be able to find a politician who doesn't lie.

Link to his quote saying he hadn't been arrested after '68?

[tjvh]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

Do Bears @#$% in the woods?

[tinydancer]

Yes, he admitted he made a mistake and was wrong. (shortly afterwards he was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm.) No excuse however. He was wrong. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Do I have to keep reminding you of this?

At least he did better than Bush. Beyond Bush's huge lies as a president, and a candidate, at the same time in Bush's career as Biden's, Dubya lied outright when he was asked if he was arrested for anything after 1968. He said "No."
Then he was caught.

I still submit you will not be able to find a politician who doesn't lie.

:)):)):))

Now I've seen everything.

An intelligent Democrat attempting to defend Joe Biden in a lie.

And you won't give it up will you? :))

[who]

Link to his quote saying he hadn't been arrested after '68?
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/03/lie/

[who]

:)):)):))

Now I've seen everything.

An intelligent Democrat attempting to defend Joe Biden in a lie.

And you won't give it up will you? :))
It's amazing. Even when you read the words NO excuses and he was wrong and he's a politician and Politicians lie - you still seem to wind up your fast ball as if you'd never even seen that in the post you quoted.

Tarry away and toss your balls. They seem to strike out every time.

[tinydancer]

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/03/lie/

SALON?????????????????/:))You have to be kidding.

If you can slag the right wing for quoting WND, liberals have now hit a new and pathetic low.

Too funny.

[zantax]

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/03/lie/


I see, one reporter claims he said so, hardly definitive proof.

[who]

I see, one reporter claims he said so, hardly definitive proof.
Must defend Buuuush.

[zantax]

Must defend Buuuush.


Lol, nope, sorry, one guy claiming he said it without substantiation of any sort is hardly proof he said it, that goes for Biden and Obama as well.

[zantax]

Oh and isn't he the author of the eminently unbiased "Bush's Brain"?

[tinydancer]

It's amazing. Even when you read the words NO excuses and he was wrong and he's a politician and Politicians lie - you still seem to wind up your fast ball as if you'd never even seen that in the post you quoted.

Tarry away and toss your balls. They seem to strike out every time.

Really?

We've won many an election since '92.

Many sat out this one thinking they were going to "punish the party and the oh btw how much damage can a democrat run administration do in 4 years? naive fools on the conservative side".

Hell's bells, Waxman's got a bill before congress that will allow me to sue environmental polluters.

Having been a major lib before, I see the upside of this. I, as a citizen can now sue Al Gore.:))

[tinydancer]

Must defend Buuuush.

LOL. You are good Who. You and several others are famously and wondrously able to derail a thread before page 3.

This thread has nothing to do with Bush. Yet you were able to turn it on it's head and make it all about the Bush administration.

Kudos.

[who]

Lol, nope, sorry, one guy claiming he said it without substantiation of any sort is hardly proof he said it, that goes for Biden and Obama as well.
You don't believe the reporter. That's your prerogative.

More lies from that same period:

1. Bush Lied at his Press Conference, 11/3/2000
Bush said he paid a fine on the spot and never went to court. That is clearly a lie, as you can see on this court document showing his court hearing a month later. In fact, it was a man also in court for DUI the same day who revealed Bush' arrest. Here is exactly what Bush said in his press conference:
Bush: "I told the guy I had been drinking and what do I need to do? And he said, "Here's the fine." I paid the fine and did my duty...."
Reporter: "Governor, was there any legal proceeding of any kind? Or did you just -- "
Bush: "No. I pled -- you know, I said I was wrong and I ..." Reporter: "In court? "
Bush: No, there was no court. I went to the police station. I said, "I'm wrong."

2. Bush Lied in Court, 1978

Bush got a court hearing to get his driving suspension lifted early, even though he had not completed a required driver rehabilitation course. He told the hearings officer that he drank only once a month, and just had "an occasional beer." The officer granted his request. But Bush continued drinking for 8 years after that date and has said publicly that he drank too much and had a drinking problem during that time. Presumably Bush was under oath during the hearing, though we haven't been able to pin down that detail. The Bush campaign refuses to comment on this contradiction."

[free2B]

Yes, he admitted he made a mistake and was wrong. (shortly afterwards he was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm.) No excuse however. He was wrong. He's a politician. Politicians lie. Do I have to keep reminding you of this?

At least he did better than Bush. Beyond Bush's huge lies as a president, and a candidate, at the same time in Bush's career as Biden's, Dubya lied outright when he was asked if he was arrested for anything after 1968. He said "No."
Then he was caught.

I still submit you will not be able to find a politician who doesn't lie.

in other words its OK cuz they all do it:rolleyes: typical dim logic

[who]

LOL. You are good Who. You and several others are famously and wondrously able to derail a thread before page 3.

This thread has nothing to do with Bush. Yet you were able to turn it on it's head and make it all about the Bush administration.

Kudos.
Read back the thread dearie. Who was the first one to bring up Bush?

Hint: It wasn't a liberal.

[zantax]

You don't believe the reporter. That's your prerogative.

More lies from that same period:

1. Bush Lied at his Press Conference, 11/3/2000
Bush said he paid a fine on the spot and never went to court. That is clearly a lie, as you can see on this court document showing his court hearing a month later. In fact, it was a man also in court for DUI the same day who revealed Bush' arrest. Here is exactly what Bush said in his press conference:
Bush: "I told the guy I had been drinking and what do I need to do? And he said, "Here's the fine." I paid the fine and did my duty...."
Reporter: "Governor, was there any legal proceeding of any kind? Or did you just -- "
Bush: "No. I pled -- you know, I said I was wrong and I ..." Reporter: "In court? "
Bush: No, there was no court. I went to the police station. I said, "I'm wrong."

You absolutely can plead guilty without ever setting foot in court. You need to place him in the courtroom for that to be a lie.

2. Bush Lied in Court, 1978

Bush got a court hearing to get his driving suspension lifted early, even though he had not completed a required driver rehabilitation course. He told the hearings officer that he drank only once a month, and just had "an occasional beer." The officer granted his request. But Bush continued drinking for 8 years after that date and has said publicly that he drank too much and had a drinking problem during that time. Presumably Bush was under oath during the hearing, though we haven't been able to pin down that detail. The Bush campaign refuses to comment on this contradiction."

Depends on the exact wording of the question but unless you can prove otherwise I'll assume that was how much he was drinking when asked the question, they wouldn't normally ask you how much you would be drinking at a future date. The question would normally be along the lines of "how much are you currently drinking", not "how much do you think you will drink six months from now" or "how much were you drinking six months ago".

[who]

in other words its OK cuz they all do it:rolleyes: typical dim logic
Another one who can't read the words: No excuses. He was wrong.

What is it with you people?

[bella-day]

Does Biden lie?

Yes and he does it regularly.

If you do not think so...read up on the facts surrounding his wife's death.

Although he claims she was killed by a drunk driver, the man was sober as a judge at the time of the collision.

Biden used the accident to further his career...even after he told the family of the man he would quit misrepresenting the accident.

That's just one of many of his lies.

[jimjames418]

Another one who can't read the words: No excuses. He was wrong.

What is it with you people?
We got it. It is Bush's fault that Joe Biden lies. Any more news from your end of the world. :wall:

[who]

You absolutely can plead guilty without ever setting foot in court. You need to place him in the courtroom for that to be a lie.

The court records seem to be mysteriously scrubbed. There are a number of references to them being available on some website and now broken links. This was nearly a decade ago, so that might explain some of it.

However, his arrest record summary is here:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdmv1.html

His license was suspended. There WAS a court hearing. It was more than a fine and a friendly visit to a police station as he stated.

[Sparky]

Hey people, don't forget that this guys 1988 presidential run was crushed due to plagerism, HELLLLLOOOOOO !!!!!:think:

[tinydancer]

The court records seem to be mysteriously scrubbed. There are a number of references to them being available on some website and now broken links. This was nearly a decade ago, so that might explain some of it.

However, his arrest record summary is here:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdmv1.html

His license was suspended. There WAS a court hearing. It was more than a fine and a friendly visit to a police station as he stated.

Hells bells. I can play this game too.

Why are both Obama's legal licenses in suspension or inactive?

Why did Michelle relinquish her law certificate?

[tjvh]

Hey people, don't forget that this guys 1988 presidential run was crushed due to plagerism, HELLLLLOOOOOO !!!!!:think:

Stop putting "reason" into this.:))

[who]

Hells bells. I can play this game too.

Why are both Obama's legal licenses in suspension or inactive?

Why did Michelle relinquish her law certificate?
G'head. You tell us tinydancer.

[bella-day]

Does Biden lie?

Sure he does...and it really doesn't matter to him who it is that pays the price.

LINK (http://www.delawaregrapevine.com/12-07bidencrash.asp)


While campaigning in Iowa for the Democratic presidential nomination, however, Biden did.
“Let me tell you a little story,” he was quoted as saying last Friday in the New York Times.
“I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on December 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly – and I never pursued it – drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries.”
Except there was no drinking. There was not even speeding. The truck’s brakes checked out, as well. It was not the driver’s fault.
Biden insisted Wednesday in a brief telephone interview from Iowa he told the story as he knew it.
“All I said was what I heard at the time. What I heard from folks at the time is he’d been drinking,” Biden said, sounding agitated. “I don’t want to talk about it. . . . She must have pulled out. . . . It’s still painful to talk about 35 years later.”
The embellishment is reminiscent of one of the problems that undid Biden the last time he ran for president 20 years ago. He was swallowed up mostly by plagiarism charges, but there was also an incident, taped by C-SPAN, in which Biden became irritated with a New Hampshire voter and belittled him by inflating his own uneven academic credentials.
Among Biden’s claims, he said he was named the outstanding student in political science at the University of Delaware and was in the top half of his law school class at Syracuse University, both untrue, and won an international moot court competition, which was true. He also gibed, “I’d be delighted to sit down and compare my IQ to yours.”
In Biden’s memoir, Promises to Keep, his explanation for that blowup was along the lines of his account of the accident – lack of knowledge.
“I lost my temper in New Hampshire. What I’d said about my academic achievements was just faulty memory or lack of knowledge. I hadn’t remembered where I finished in my law school class. I hadn’t cared. But to say, ‘Wanna compare IQs?’ was so stupid,” Biden wrote.
The crash involving the Biden family station wagon and the tractor-trailer driven by Curtis C. Dunn, 43, of Kaolin, Pa., occurred on Monday afternoon, Dec. 18, 1972, a week before Christmas, at the intersection of Valley and Limestone Roads in Hockessin.
Joe Biden, who turned 30 in late November, was in Washington to set up his Senate office. Neilia Biden, 30, was at the wheel with their three young children – three-year-old Beau Biden, now the state’s Democratic attorney general, two-year-old Hunter Biden, now a lawyer in Washington, and 13-month-old Amy Biden.
The tractor-trailer was heading toward Pennsylvania on Limestone Road when it broadsided the station wagon, sending it spinning for 150 feet, breaking the windshield and crushing in a rear door, while the truck itself skidded for 20 feet and landed on its side, according to The News Journal, which was printed in two editions in those days as The Morning News and the Evening Journal.
Old campaign literature littered the road, along with the truck’s load of corncobs. Dunn, the truck driver, heaved himself out of the wreckage and was the first to get to the station wagon, the newspaper said.
Neilia and Amy Biden died from the crash. Hunter Biden sustained head injuries. Beau Biden had a broken leg that kept him in the hospital beyond the start of the Senate’s new term, leading their broken-hearted father to decide to take his oath of office in the hospital chapel and to vacillate about whether he should be sworn in at all.
“We can always get another senator, but they can’t get another father,” he said.
The state police investigated the accident. The concern then was not that Dunn would get away with anything as serious as drunken driving, but that he could get railroaded. He had plowed into the family of a United States senator, after all.
As the chief deputy attorney general, Jerome Herlihy was assigned to the incident. Two days later, he issued his report, clearing Dunn.
A story headlined, “No Charges Due for Trucker in Biden Deaths,” in the Evening Journal read: “[Herlihy] said there was no evidence that [Dunn] was speeding, drinking or driving a truck with faulty brakes. In addition, Herlihy said, witnesses to the crash near Hockessin provided no basis for a prosecution.”
No further details were released, although Herlihy knew more about the accident than he let on. Years later, he elaborated.
It is hard to think of anyone better the Attorney General’s Office could have sent. Herlihy was a Republican, a good enough one that he served as the Republican state chairman in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but he also knew the Bidens and thought the world of Neilia.
In the late 1960s, Herlihy and the Bidens were neighbors with a common driveway on Marsh Road in Brandywine Hundred, when Joe Biden was a new lawyer. It was before he was elected to the Senate, even before he was elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970.
The Bidens had two German shepherds, and for better or worse, they were named “Senator” and “Governor.” When Herlihy used to pull into the driveway late at night, he would spy eyes looking at him from the bushes and call out, “Senator, is that you?”
Herlihy, now a Superior Court judge, no longer will talk about the accident because he is constrained by his judicial office from injecting himself into a political campaign. He was interviewed about it, however, in 1998 by this writer as part of the research for Only in Delaware, a history of modern state politics.
In that interview, Herlihy said Neilia Biden either accelerated or drifted through the intersection, and Dunn could not stop. The truck driver said she was not looking at him, her face turned away, and the state police thought she was distracted by one of the children in the back seat.
“She was one of the sweetest people you ever could meet. It was so tragic,” Herlihy said in 1998.
Dunn died in 1999, but Philip A. Lafferty, the truck owner he drove for, still lives in Avondale, Pa. In a telephone interview, Lafferty recalled the state police impounding the tractor-trailer and the station wagon for the investigation for a couple of days and concluding that Dunn was not at fault.
“Nothing came of it. They had people, witnesses,” Lafferty said. “He was a good truck driver, very caring. It shook him up. It was an awful thing for all of us.”
Biden’s remarks in Iowa were not his only version of the accident. He offered another description in a speech on Sept. 19, 2001, at the University of Delaware. His focus that day was the terrorist attack of Sept. 11, but he mentioned his personal tragedy to show he understood the country’s.
“I got one of those phone calls,” Biden said.
“I got a phone call saying, ‘Your wife’s dead, your daughter’s dead.’ And I’ve only said that three times in public before. But I say it here because it’s so important for you to understand. I got one of those phone calls. It was an errant driver who stopped to drink instead of drive and hit a tractor-trailer, hit my children and my wife and killed them.”
Except there was no errant drunken driver. No drinking. No speeding. Not even bad brakes.

[Critical Bill]

Biden's track record tells us that he definitely has a problem mangling facts, embellishing, and simply provinding snort worthy gaffes. And to think this character is our vice president.

[who]

Biden's track record tells us that he definitely has a problem mangling facts, embellishing, and simply provinding snort worthy gaffes. And to think this character is our vice president.
He's got a ways to go before he beats the last VP.

[Critical Bill]

He's got a ways to go before he beats the last VP.Clinton isn't president anymore.

[withoutfeathers]

Yes, Joe Biden's Helicopter Really Was "Forced Down" in Afghanistan...Of course, we've already stipulated that technically Biden's account was correct. Whether you choose to admit it or not, it is also obvious that his intent was to deceive his audience into construing that the helicopter was "forced down" by Al Qaeda.

[who]

Clinton isn't president anymore.
For some strange reason you think Clinton was our last VP.

I know both their last names start with C, but that's some mighty bad recall.

[who]

Of course, we've already stipulated that technically Biden's account was correct. Whether you choose to admit it or not, it is also obvious that his intent was to deceive his audience into construing that the helicopter was "forced down" by Al Qaeda.
Your intent is take a story and make it what you will, even though the facts are accurate.

And I HAVE admitted this: POLITICIANS LIE AND EXAGGERATE. They ALL do. Biden is a politician. He lies and exaggerates. For the 100th time now.
How many times do I have to say it??

Jimminycrowbedogs.

[Critical Bill]

For some strange reason you think Clinton was our last VP.

I know both their last names start with C, but that's some mighty bad recall.My point was twofold and I see that it either went right over your head or you are trying to dodge it. Who was the subject of the OP? And on that point, that subject is in a class of his own when it comes to this issue.

[who]

My point was twofold and I see that it either went right over your head or you are trying to dodge it. Who was the subject of the OP? And on that point, that subject is in a class of his own when it comes to this issue.
Except you were quoting my post that referenced Cheney.

Oh well.

[withoutfeathers]

1) He never said it was.
2) ''I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inaccurate.'' - Biden
His recollection. I stated memories are inaccurate. Did he lie? Maybe. Only he knows.No, every law school graduate in the world also knows he's lying. Class rankings are so important to legal careers that every law student who ever graduated knows exactly where he/she stood in the rankings and never forgets it. It is just not credible that his "recollection" put him in the top half of his class when he was, in fact, scraping the bottom.

3) ''I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors - I said 'three' and should have said 'two.' See above.Shortly after learning about this last year I checked with the University of Delaware to see if their matriculation and graduation standards were really so different from every other university's. While they were not willing to provide me with Biden's records, they were more than happy to confirm that, like every other university in the United States, a double major does not count as "two" degrees. While some students do, in fact, graduate with two simultaneous degrees, that is not the same as a double major. Contact UofD or any other university in the U.S. (they all use the same standards) to confirm that. A student graduating with a double major is conferred a single diploma for a single degree (BA, BS, etc) with a notation of a double major. Biden's diploma (which I'm sure he'll never let us see) would say: "Bachelor of Arts in History and Political Sciene." UofD does not consider that to be two degrees and neither does any other college or university.

So here we have him in a second lie trying to cover up his first lie. Joe Biden has admitted that he should not have said "three." What he now needs to do is admit that he shouldn't have said "two." He does not hold two undergraduate degrees from UofD, he holds exactly one.

BTW: Anyone reading this who can't remember how many college degrees you actually hold? I know I don't have any trouble recalling exactly how many degrees, diplomas and professional certifications I hold.

4) ''My recollection is - and I'd have to confirm this - but I don't recall paying any money to go to law school.'' Ditto Above.This claim is so far from credible that it hardly needs to be argued. The record shows that he did, and we're not talking about pocket change here -- particularly for someone who claims as humble a background as Biden does. His tuition payments -- even allowing that he paid only half of it himself -- would have been such a sizable portion of his financial resources that it is simply impossible for him to have forgotten -- unless he is also claiming a mental defect so severe that he cannot possibly be trusted in his current position of authority and responsibility.

This lie is particularly onerous because it is so insulting to the many people, both in school and graduated, who struggled to pay their tuition -- or the portion that was not covered by grants and scholarships -- in order to better themselves. Since you seem to have so much trouble distinguishing between lies and truth, here's a guideline for you contemplate: No one ever forgets whether or not they paid college tuition. Anyone who claims to not recall is a liar ipso facto.

Can we call it a lie? I'll agree he lied when your side agrees Bush lied. A lot.As illustrated above: Yes, we can, easily, call it what it was -- a pack of lies. George Bush had nothing to do with it. Biden lied on his own.

[Critical Bill]

Except you were quoting my post that referenced Cheney.

Oh well.To make a point. Primarily, that Biden is Biden. He's not a shadow of Cheney or Clinton or Ronald McDonald or anyone else. He is responsible for his notable lack of character. Throwing him under the umbrella of "well, every politician does it" doesn't absolve him of this. He is the vice president of the US. Dragging him down to the level of typical low life lying politician does not speak well of the current leadership. And to reiterate, he is in a class of his on this, IMO.

[Blemonds]

Here's a whopper from Biden

"Hope you won't hold it against me, but I am a hard coal miner — anthracite coal, Scranton, Pennsylvania, that's where I was born and raised,"

[tobybear]

He's got a ways to go before he beats the last VP.

Is that all the Dems have to defend their leaders, bring up former Republican administrations?

[withoutfeathers]

He's got a ways to go before he beats the last VP.The man's only been in office for less than three months -- give him time.

[who]

<snipped for brevity>

As illustrated above: Yes, we can, easily, call it what it was -- a pack of lies. George Bush had nothing to do with it. Biden lied on his own.
Very Good. You've proven again what I've said all along: Politicians lie and exaggerate. And their memory fails them.

Nice work there though!

Still can't admit Bush lied though either, can you?

[who]

Here's one from George the Lesser:

23. Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.

Lie? You decide.

[jimjames418]

Here's one from George the Lesser:

23. Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.

Lie? You decide.
For lack of a cork the ship sank, for lack of a word, your quote is wrong.

The word is "republican". George W. Bush was the only republican ever elected to consecutive four-year terms. All the others you named happened to be democrats. :wall:

[midwesthunter]

That's like asking if Keith Olbermann drools over Obama. :)

[SFC(R)L]

does he breathe?

[Blemonds]

Here's one from George the Lesser:

23. Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.

Lie? You decide.From my recollection of math, 2 consecutive 4 year terms equals 8 years. 1979 minus 1973 equals 6 years, as does 1963 minus 1957 and 1969 minus 1963 and 1947 minus 1941. As for shivers, he wasn't elected his first term but rather he replaced the governor who died in office. In other words, the governors you mentioned were elected to two year terms

[who]

For lack of a cork the ship sank, for lack of a word, your quote is wrong.

The word is "republican". George W. Bush was the only republican ever elected to consecutive four-year terms. All the others you named happened to be democrats. :wall:
For lack of accuracy, your post nosedives:

"There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four-year terms and that was me."

He never said republican. Whoops.

Source:
Text of Second Gore-Bush Debate (http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/11/politics/12CND-TEXT.html?ex=1128484800&en=c33a3fb0a7e1fad7&ei=5070&pagewanted=17) <-link


If that's not good enough, there's this: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showdebate.php?debateid=21

[who]

From my recollection of math, 2 consecutive 4 year terms equals 8 years. 1979 minus 1973 equals 6 years, as does 1963 minus 1957 and 1969 minus 1963 and 1947 minus 1941. As for shivers, he wasn't elected his first term but rather he replaced the governor who died in office. In other words, the governors you mentioned were elected to two year terms
er, check your math. And your facts.

Good God.

[jimjames418]

er, check your math. And your facts.

Good God.
Who, who, who let the dogs out. :))

[dittoheadAZ]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

A line by Steve Martin comes to mind... ;)

[Liability]

No ,Biden simply states what he believes is the truth.

No he does not. He makes **** up as he likes regardless of the fact that he knows it's untrue.

He is a liar. Plain and simple.

[withoutfeathers]

Very Good. You've proven again what I've said all along: Politicians lie and exaggerate. And their memory fails them.

Nice work there though!Forgetting that you don't actually have three university degrees doesn't qualify as "memory fails". It is either brain damage or a lie. No one of normal intelligence and cerebral health loses track of how many degrees they have when the exact number is one. Perhaps Mr. Biden is just not numerate enough to know the difference between one and three.

Still can't admit Bush lied though either, can you?When George W. Bush returns to public office I'll worry about the veracity of his statements. Until then, I don't care.

[withoutfeathers]

From my recollection of math, 2 consecutive 4 year terms equals 8 years. 1979 minus 1973 equals 6 years, as does 1963 minus 1957 and 1969 minus 1963 and 1947 minus 1941. As for shivers, he wasn't elected his first term but rather he replaced the governor who died in office. In other words, the governors you mentioned were elected to two year termsYou're absolutely right, and so was GWB. The first governor of Texas elected to one four-year term -- let alone two -- was Dolph Briscoe who was elected to a four year term in 1974 after serving one two year term to which he was elected in 1972. Briscoe was the last governor of Texas elected to a two year term and the first elected to a four-year term...

And George W. Bush was the first governor elected to two, back-to-back four year terms. At the time that he made that statement, it was absolutely true. His successor, Rick Perry, has subsequently changed the facts by being elected to two consecutive four year terms, but on the day GWB made that statement, Perry's reelection was six years in the future.

Bottom line: GWB's statement "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me." was absolutely true at the time he made it. Therefore, it could not have been a lie.

[Oregon]

It is what it is...or is it?

Does Joe Biden lie?

Although his political party makes me want to puke, I'd like to think or give him some credit for being a good guy.

But the odd things that he says are so common, that it tends to fuel suspicion.

:eek:

[nancie2k]

i caught a funny skit on Biden and obama last night-never watch it anymore

[jimjames418]

Does Joe Biden lie?

No, he sleeps sitting up in an easy chair. :wall: