should the Us have a national religion?

[Plasmaball]

I am spawning this off from Ballysgirls thread, because i think the thread brings up a good debate. I want to take it further.
As you call tell this will be a poll driven thread.

So the big debate is if the USA is a secular nation or founded on judo-Christian ideals. While i am not trying to rehash that debate. Please feel free to go over to Ballys thread about Obama.

I am more along the point of wonder how many would like to if they dont already think that we are a Christian nation? Under that idea do we "allow" or "tolerate" other religions to be here in this country?

I head more in my head and when it comes back i will bring it up, but i am having a massive fever which comes and goes. I will do my best in the next few days( if this remains) to be here.

There is no gotcha, No trolling or baiting in this poll. I want to see what you truely think.

I am sorry if the poll isn't perfect.

[Blindeye101]

I am thinking NO.

It is not what the Founders of this nation ever wanted.

Even tho there are some religions that I do not like, I respect people wish to partake in them.

[Ninjacorpse]

No, and while some christians may welcome the idea, it is something that would come back to bit them in the backside.

[avergbear]

The Liberals are moving us toward Islam.

They don’t realize it yet, but that is where we are headed and they will be very surprised when they finally figure it out. But….too late.

[Johnt63]

Yes of course we should as a free country move towards a religion in which all must obey, and it should be the Obama religion. If anyone should see us in our church we will deny it and say that you were there but you weren't really there when anything important or divisive was said, but when later you go overseas you will apologize to everyone for everything that happened even if you weren't there or involved that had anything to do with anyone.

whew..... yes, the Koolaid Obama religion.

[Plasmaball]

The Liberals are moving us toward Islam.

They don’t realize it yet, but that is where we are headed and they will be very surprised when they finally figure it out. But….too late.

how about a serious answer bear, where you actually address the subject at hand.

[AeroEngineer]

Our country/government is secular.

The people that live in our country form a primarily Christian nation.

It's fair to say that our culture is Christian, but our government is not.

[jelake]

I don't understand this paranoid idea that a nation where the majority are Christians and seculars would somehow all move to Islam.

How exactly do 200+ Million Christians and the rest including the minority religions and the non-religous, decide all of a sudden that a nation of laws based off Islam is best for them? That's crazy.

[AeroEngineer]

I don't understand this paranoid idea that a nation where the majority are Christians and seculars would somehow all move to Islam.

How exactly do 200+ Million Christians and the rest including the minority religions and the non-religous, decide all of a sudden that a nation of laws based off Islam is best for them? That's crazy.

I don't either.

Don't worry, God fearing members of America- us atheists still outnumber Muslims in this country 10 to 1.

And you outnumber us 20 to 1.

[avergbear]

how about a serious answer bear, where you actually address the subject at hand.

I’m very serious.

Watch the video in my sig. Line.

[avergbear]

I don't understand this paranoid idea that a nation where the majority are Christians and seculars would somehow all move to Islam.

How exactly do 200+ Million Christians and the rest including the minority religions and the non-religous, decide all of a sudden that a nation of laws based off Islam is best for them? That's crazy.

Look at who is in the White House.

A year ago, each and every liberal on this board would have sworn that Hillary Clinton would be elected in November. Most didn’t even know who Obama was, and now he is their Messiah?

Don’t tell me it can’t happen, and nobody said it would be a popular move, nor a voluntary one.

[AeroEngineer]

Look at who is in the White House.

A year ago, each and every liberal on this board would have sworn that Hillary Clinton would be elected in November. Most didn’t even know who Obama was, and now he is their Messiah?

Don’t tell me it can’t happen, and nobody said it would be a popular move, nor a voluntary one.


For the record, you don't think Obama is a Christian?

And SO WHAT if the President was a Muslim? How would that in any way change the predominant religious culture of the country?

[Lee Kington]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

[TheFallGuy]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Kinda says it all, Constitution and all.

[dirtmonkey]

I voted NO because this country was founded upon people fleeing England to escape religious persecution.
Government has no right to dictate our religious preferences nor does it have any business dictating such.

More wars have been fought and more people have died in the name of religion and differences in religious beliefs.
Heck, just look at the whole Middle East, see how well trying to create a single religion has worked out.
They have been killing each other for centuries over religion A is better then religion B,C,D,...etc.

:wall:

[TheFallGuy]

Although our roots are Judeo-Christian, I'll have to quote Mark Levin:

...Christianity itself does not preach operational dominance over the body politic or seek justification from it...

[bayoubill]

lol...

the OP question reminded me to put roach bait on the shopping list...

[AeroEngineer]

Bill, do you have palmetto bugs in the bayou, too?

[bayoubill]

Bill, do you have palmetto bugs in the bayou, too?


lol...


palmetto bugs?


just another fancy name for the big roaches...


What do you call 'em where you're from?

[muhadeeb99]

Although we are a secular nation, in the larger scheme of classification, we are a multi-theistic society with the majority swaying towards Christianity.
I think our founding fathers intended for it to be this way.

Since the thread is into classification. What choice for a national color, blue,red,green,white,black or fuchsia or orange?

I think that going into a national classification scheme is the seed for further divisiveness which is the wrong direction leading to the Tower of Babel syndrome. What way to take over a nation than to dilute the national consciousness. We would all run around like chickens with our heads cut off or doing the Chinese fire drill. Remember "United we Stand, Divide we Fall". We should all have a common thread to hold onto that no one can separate.

[nortman]

"Judeo", not "judo". Frankly, I don't think I'm capable of throwing someone over my shoulder.

Give your definition of "national religion". If it is the European model where everyone is expected to worship in the same way, I say "no". If it is the American way where political leaders are allowed to openly worship the way they want without fear of the ACLU filing a lawsuit for it, I say "yes".

[nortman]

For the record, you don't think Obama is a Christian?

And SO WHAT if the President was a Muslim? How would that in any way change the predominant religious culture of the country?

I'm not sure of what to think that President Obama is other than expedient. He is what he thinks he needs to be to appeal to the masses.

[Jagergeist]

Having a national religion would be a very bad idea. Things are perfect the way they are now. If you are religious you have the right to do what you please and if you don't believe in the god stuff you can live a secular life and rarely hear religious doctrine. I would be deeply apprehensive if anyone wanted to change the way things are going now. I understand Christians are concerned about the constant drop in people who say they believe in a god or gods, but they can still participate as much as they want.

[Charlie A]

The founders didn't want us to found a Church of America, the way that Henry VIII founded the Church of England. They had no intention of driving all religions from the public sphere.

We are secular in our law; we will not try people for heresy or allow them to be held prisoner for heresy or any other religious offense on private property. We will not make participation or lack thereof in any religion a qualification or disqualification for public office. But that doesn't mean we can't practice religion in public spaces or in schools.

Atheism is as much a religion as any other. Agnosticism is admitting you don't know whether any or all religions get it right. Deism is believing in God but thinking Him indifferent to worship. Religious people must respect these viewpoints, and we don't start suing school districts because a teacher says they're agnostic in front of the kids. We raise our kids to believe as we do, and if we do a good job of it, they probably will. But the secularists act as though mentioning religion in front of their kids, or allowing other kids to pray before school is an assault on their child's psyche.

They are using their children as weapons against us and ours in an attempt to drive religion into the shadows, and anyone with a brain can see that the impact on the public school system has been entirely negative.

[Charlie A]

I'm not sure of what to think that President Obama is other than expedient. He is what he thinks he needs to be to appeal to the masses.

Once he's doing the thinking for the masses, he'll be able to be his own man ;)

[SFC(R)L]

Apparently, liberal ignorance of the Constitution and the environment in which it was written remains as strong as ever.

[Stantz]

Judo-Christian:
when regular Judo is not enough to put someone in a headlock

[flashycopy]

The founders didn't want us to found a Church of America, the way that Henry VIII founded the Church of England. They had no intention of driving all religions from the public sphere.

We are secular in our law; we will not try people for heresy or allow them to be held prisoner for heresy or any other religious offense on private property. We will not make participation or lack thereof in any religion a qualification or disqualification for public office. But that doesn't mean we can't practice religion in public spaces or in schools.

Atheism is as much a religion as any other. Agnosticism is admitting you don't know whether any or all religions get it right. Deism is believing in God but thinking Him indifferent to worship. Religious people must respect these viewpoints, and we don't start suing school districts because a teacher says they're agnostic in front of the kids. We raise our kids to believe as we do, and if we do a good job of it, they probably will. But the secularists act as though mentioning religion in front of their kids, or allowing other kids to pray before school is an assault on their child's psyche.

They are using their children as weapons against us and ours in an attempt to drive religion into the shadows, and anyone with a brain can see that the impact on the public school system has been entirely negative.

How does Atheism meet the criteria to be called a religion

[Charlie A]

Judo-Christian:
when regular Judo is not enough to put someone in a headlock

You put them in a headlock and then kneel, slamming their forehead into the ground, whilst saying "In Nomine Patra, et Filia, et Spiritu Sanctum!" :D

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I don't understand this paranoid idea that a nation where the majority are Christians and seculars would somehow all move to Islam.

How exactly do 200+ Million Christians and the rest including the minority religions and the non-religous, decide all of a sudden that a nation of laws based off Islam is best for them? That's crazy.

It's okay...you don't understand because you don't have your tinfoil hat tuned to the right frequency. Keep adjusting it...you'll find the sweet spot eventually.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

You put them in a headlock and then kneel, slamming their forehead into the ground, whilst saying "In Nomine Patra, et Filia, et Spiritu Sanctum!" :D

:punch: The power of Christ compels you! :kick: The power of Christ compels you!

Get up!

[Charlie A]

How does Atheism meet the criteria to be called a religion

It is a leap of faith. A rather illogical leap of faith IMO since the best you can hope for if you are right, is oblivion, while if you are wrong every other western religion puts you in a bad place.

I really think Atheism is the ultimate rejection of authority, and while resisting authority is natural for young people, most of them eventually see the value in a system which encompasses authority. Except for the least mature.

[goeagles]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Bottom line.
The founders knew very well the ugliness and tyranny that can result from the intermingling of church and state.
The genius of our church-state separation is that it protects all religion and its adherents, but is beholden to none.

[ValricoKate]

Judeo

not Judo:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/38637/thumbs/s-PUTIN-JUDO-large.jpg


;)

[Mohawk5]

We try to be a secular society. Doesn't really matter to me what you do regarding a national religion. The choices would be quite small considering this is a Judeo-Christian founded nation.

[bella-day]

I am spawning this off from Ballysgirls thread, because i think the thread brings up a good debate. I want to take it further.
As you call tell this will be a poll driven thread.

So the big debate is if the USA is a secular nation or founded on judo-Christian ideals. While i am not trying to rehash that debate. Please feel free to go over to Ballys thread about Obama.

I am more along the point of wonder how many would like to if they dont already think that we are a Christian nation? Under that idea do we "allow" or "tolerate" other religions to be here in this country?

I head more in my head and when it comes back i will bring it up, but i am having a massive fever which comes and goes. I will do my best in the next few days( if this remains) to be here.

There is no gotcha, No trolling or baiting in this poll. I want to see what you truely think.

I am sorry if the poll isn't perfect.


Should we have a national religion?

Uh, you are familiar with the U.S. Constitution...right?

There is no denying that this country was founded on Juedeo-Christian principles.

Although it does appear some do choose to deny it. Oh well, some deal with reality and then...there are the others.:whistle:

[ROBERTENEAL]

John Adams was one of the primary contributors to the founding documents of the United States.

He made a couple of statements that seem to contradict each other.

Quotation #1:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."

Quotation #2 is from the "Treaty of Tripoli", a document that was authored by Diplomat Joel Barlow and signed by President John Adams, who proudly proclaimed the treaty to America:
Art. 11. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."


Did Adams contradict himself?

[margaretms]

A year ago, each and every liberal on this board would have sworn that Hillary Clinton would be elected in November. Most didn’t even know who Obama was, and now he is their Messiah?

Those two sentences are beautiful.

[RickRhetoric]

The United States should adopt the Trinity United Church of Christ as its model for a national mandated official religion. TUCC covers everything this nation desires in a nutshell. No other religions would be needed -- or allowed.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The United States should adopt the Trinity United Church of Christ as its model for a national mandated official religion. TUCC covers everything this nation desires in a nutshell. No other religions would be needed -- or allowed.

Amen ;)

[Trinka]

NO...
Because then "someone" would decide what religion we would have nationally......that would be awful. WE are a Christian Nation with the freedom to believe and practice what ever faith we so desire...or no faith at all...as it should be....BUT...just because we don't support a National Religion does NOT mean we are just a nation of citizens...We are a Christian Nation...and I am offended our Pres. said we are NOT a Christian Nation. It's like saying we have NO faith at all in this country....to me any way.

[super cool ski instructor]

I don't like the poll. I voted for option 3, but that does not make me think we should have a national religion.

[jeepers]

You put them in a headlock and then kneel, slamming their forehead into the ground, whilst saying "In Nomine Patra, et Filia, et Spiritu Sanctum!" :D

Got a few issues leftover from all of those catechism classes?

:))

[cyph3r7]

There should be no established religion by the federal government.

Nor should there be any infringement by the federal government of the free expression thereof by the people or the states.

This question was answered almost 222 years ago in a document that no one gives a **** about anymore.

[skipjack]

Liberals have a severe disconnect between the U.S. being a Christian nation...and how admitting as such does not turn us into a theocracy.

I'm curious. Has congress declared baseball our national past-time? I've looked but I can't find where they have.

If not....i have more to add.

Skip

[noelle12]

Of course we should not have a national religion. All religions or lack thereof should be free to practice their faith.

The problem that I see is that secularism, while not an established Religion per se, is becoming our national religion.

Christianity, because it is the faith tradition of the majority, is an easy target, and no matter how strong something is, if it keeps getting beaten it will eventually weaken. Secularists are given a free pass to criticize and abuse Christianity as much as they want. As a result, the influence of secularism is becoming stronger and stronger.

While Christianity is still a strong force here in the United States, its influence seems to be slowly diminishing. I think this is unfortunate.

I believe that Christians, and all people of faith, need to unite on the principles we have in common and defend each other, and reduce the negative impact secularism is having on the United States of America.

[tjvh]

Just a thought, but persecution of Religion just happens to be a big part of what brought many of our very first ancestors here in the first place. Were it not FOR Religion many Atheist Americans might not be enjoying all of the freedoms they take for granted. I don't actively go to Church, but I also don't feel compelled to dump on those who do. Strange how some Atheists, and non Christians are so intent on destroying the idea's that Founded America. They say History repeats itself... Some of the stuff I've read here just cements that fact. Every Dollar in my Wallet says "In God We Trust"... Nowhere on any of them is Obama even mentioned.

[Claymore]

In Oklahoma we already have a state religion,,,, OU Sooners football.

[johnrocks]

There should be no established religion by the federal government.

Nor should there be any infringement by the federal government of the free expression thereof by the people or the states.

This question was answered almost 222 years ago in a document that no one gives a **** about anymore.

yep

[Claymore]

Originally Posted by Charlie A http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=52189491#post52189491)
You put them in a headlock and then kneel, slamming their forehead into the ground, whilst saying "In Nomine Patra, et Filia, et Spiritu Sanctum!" :D
Got a few issues leftover from all of those catechism classes?

:))

PTPSSD
Post-Traumatic Parochial School Stress Disorder:whistle:

[RowdyTexan]

NO...
Because then "someone" would decide what religion we would have nationally......that would be awful. WE are a Christian Nation with the freedom to believe and practice what ever faith we so desire...or no faith at all...as it should be....BUT...just because we don't support a National Religion does NOT mean we are just a nation of citizens...We are a Christian Nation...and I am offended our Pres. said we are NOT a Christian Nation. It's like saying we have NO faith at all in this country....to me any way.

+1

Amen.

Oh and.. get outta my head! :mrgreen::clap:

[nortman]

You put them in a headlock and then kneel, slamming their forehead into the ground, whilst saying "In Nomine Patra, et Filia, et Spiritu Sanctum!" :D
:)):clap:

[ddye]

I don't understand this paranoid idea that a nation where the majority are Christians and seculars would somehow all move to Islam.

How exactly do 200+ Million Christians and the rest including the minority religions and the non-religous, decide all of a sudden that a nation of laws based off Islam is best for them? That's crazy.
What I don't get are the competing notions that Obama is moving the nation to both Sharia law and a gay agenda. I mean, aren't those two mutually exclusive?

Doug

[BasicGreatGuy]

What I don't get are the competing notions that Obama is moving the nation to both Sharia law and a gay agenda. I mean, aren't those two mutually exclusive?

Doug

Yes, they are. Partisan rhetoric doesn't have to make sense Doug. You know that.

[American Muslim]

No. Separate church and state. The Middle East is a good example of why government should steer clear of endorsing or supporting religion.

[BasicGreatGuy]

There should be no established religion by the federal government.

Nor should there be any infringement by the federal government of the free expression thereof by the people or the states.

This question was answered almost 222 years ago in a document that no one gives a **** about anymore.

I agree.

[Jíbaro]

The Liberals are moving us toward Islam.

They don’t realize it yet, but that is where we are headed and they will be very surprised when they finally figure it out. But….too late.

Their admiration for the Religion of Beheaders is amazing, if not scary.
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the Beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

No. A complete separation church and state would be one of the best things to ever happen to the church. Too bad so few in the church realize this. :(

[treadmill]

We need to stick by the beliefs of our founding fathers. They got it right in the first place. We are a judeo-Christian nation with a tolerance for other beliefs....up to the point that those other beliefs attempt to undermine the first two religions or destroy the country. In this respect, Islam is questionable at best. Freedom of religion should not extend to commiting national suicide. Christianity and Judiasm, Buddhism and other religions are peaceful. Islam is violent. That is an issue.

[treadmill]

Liberal support for Islamists has two causes: 1. the liberal fear (which over-rides all other considerations) of being labeled prejudiced - the PC reason, if you will, and 2, liberal hate for traditional Judeo-Christian values (at heart within each liberal lingers a failed hippie with all those messed up 60s ideas around rebelling against their parents' generation - this the older libs have passed on to younger liberals). Their admiration for the Religion of Beheaders is amazing, if not scary.
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the Beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[VA-165 Boomer]

I don't understand this paranoid idea that a nation where the majority are Christians and seculars would somehow all move to Islam.

How exactly do 200+ Million Christians and the rest including the minority religions and the non-religous, decide all of a sudden that a nation of laws based off Islam is best for them? That's crazy.How does a nation move toward socialism as it appears to be doing? With so many worshipping things that never will satisfy, it isn't surprising that they could be led in a particular direction.

[mama2tyler]

Should we have a national religion? No, and while I believe we are a secular nation, we are also a nation that was founded on Judeo/Christian beliefs, as evidenced by our Founding Fathers. This the way they wanted it and the way we should continue to be. It's also in the Constitution that we are to respect no religion in particular. So the question begs...for those who are atheists, which is by definition the absence of religion, how should that be addressed? Any ideas from you guys? I myself, being a Catholic was floored to see Obama in his speech on Inauguration Day to actually acknowledge atheists, as it was the first time ever in history that a President has ever acknowledged atheists, particularly in their Inauguration Speech...so what do you guys think?

[Dem]

So why did the 4 of you vote yes?

[chardjones]

I don't think we should have a national religion. I am a Christian, but God gives us free will, he does not want it forced on anyone. I do not think Obama is a Christian. There are a lot of people that claim to be Christians that are not.

[nortman]

So why did the 4 of you vote yes?I'm sure that it never crossed your mind that it could have been 4 libs who are trying to make it look like conservatives are all religious bigots.