THE SHOOTER--Has ANYONE asked what MEDS was he on !!!!

[bossman068410]

Has ANYONE asked what MEDS was he on !!!!

A list of TRAGEDIES AND MEDS
source http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

What Drug Date Where Additional
School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
School Shooting Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression
School Shooting Plot Med For Depression Withdrawal 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack
School Shooting Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self
School Shooting Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 1998-05-21 Oregon **Four Dead: Twenty Injured
School Shooting Antidepressant 2006-09-30 Colorado **Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self
School Machete Attack Med for Depression 2001-09-26 Pennsylvania **Man Attacks 11 Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School
School Shooting Antidepressants 1992-09-20 Texas **Man, Angry Over Daughter's Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary School
School Shooting Threat Med for Depression* 2004-10-19 New Jersey **Over-Medicated Teen Brings Loaded Handguns to School
School Shooting Antidepressant? 2007-04-18 Virginia **Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
School Shooting Antidepressant? 2002-01-17 Virginia **Possible SSRI Withdrawal Mania: 3 Dead at Law School
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 1992-01-30 Michigan **School Teacher Shoots & Kills His Superintendent at School
School Violence/Murder Antidepressants* 1998-05-04 New York **Sheriff's Deputy Shoots his Wife in an Elementary School
School Threat Antidepressants 2007-04-23 Mississippi **Student Arrested for Making School Threat Over Internet
School Suspension Lexapro Antidepressant 2007-07-28 Arkansas **Student Has 11 Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro
School Shooting Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL 2007-11-07 Finland **Student Kills 8: Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland

[Navy Nuke]

If you have a kid that can have pshycotic episodes, wouldn't you lock your guns up? And, in the case of adults, it would be nice if people were black listed from owning guns due to a medical condition.

[bossman068410]

NO take the ****ing drugs that increase suicide and homicide away. Do you understand that it is these Physcotic Drugs that INCREASE the rates of Suicide and Homicides.

[badkarma]

You have it backwards. These people are not suicidal or mentally unstable because they are on these drugs. no, these people are on these drugs because they are suicidal and mentally unstable.

[Jalend Skyr]

ALL Anti Depressants I have taken have made my condition WORSE. So I got off them and cured the problems that were depressing me.

Listen...after a month of Lexapro I was ready to go crazy. Same with taking Chantix to quit smoking.

[bossman068410]

Jalend your NOT alone. The more research I do on these drugs the more disgusted I get. There are a lot of people going on You Tube telling their personal story of suffering from these psychotic Drugs. BIG PHARMA is screwing the public.

Jalend Make a You Tube and Describe your personal STORY !!!!

[Greyclouds]

Jalend your NOT alone. The more research I do on these drugs the more disgusted I get. There are a lot of people going on You Tube telling their personal story of suffering from these psychotic Drugs. BIG PHARMA is screwing the public.

Jalend Make a You Tube and Describe your personal STORY !!!!

Every person is different. Some are misdiagnosed as being clinically depressed, when they are really schizophrenic. Others are manic depressive and are on the wrong meds as well.

Anti-depressants DO help people. Sometimes, there are people who cannot be helped by them.

Does that mean that we should prohibit their use entirely?

[bossman068410]

Every person is different. Some are misdiagnosed as being clinically depressed, when they are really schizophrenic. Others are manic depressive and are on the wrong meds as well.

Anti-depressants DO help people. Sometimes, there are people who cannot be helped by them.

Does that mean that we should prohibit their use entirely?

IF a drug INCREASES the suicide rate by 5% wouldn't you pull it?

YES

Guess what THESE DRUGS INCREASE SUICIDE AND HOMICIDE RATES

[bossman068410]

The FDA was prompted to issue warnings about anti-depressants by two dozen studies showing that young
people were twice as likely to consider killing themselves or start taking steps to do so after taking the drugs.

The FDA was forced to do it. Study the DEATH industry of Big Pharma

[Cav Scout]

Anti Depressant meds should be outlawed. If you need an anti depressant, go pick up a good looking hooker.

[Jalend Skyr]

Anti Depressant meds should be outlawed. If you need an anti depressant, go pick up a good looking hooker.


Did that... now the crabs are awful. But it did cheer me up :redface:

[bossman068410]

Did you know that there is a special Drug court SEPERATE from our normal courts. Why you ask? They packed this special court with industry friendly people.

[Cav Scout]

Did that... now the crabs are awful. But it did cheer me up :redface:

:mrgreen:

[Greyclouds]

IF a drug INCREASES the suicide rate by 5% wouldn't you pull it?

Link to study that states that?


YES

Guess what THESE DRUGS INCREASE SUICIDE AND HOMICIDE RATES

Not in the case of Paxil as found by a study of NY youth suicides from 1993 - 1998.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15291679?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

The cases used in this study were less than 18 years of age, and there were 66 in total. Toxicological reports were present for 58 of the 66 suicides, and only 4 cases were found to have taken other antidepressants prior to death. None of the victims had Paroxetine (Paxil) in their systems.

This next study shows that a common practice of "tapering" (slowly reducing the concentration of an antidepressant prior to administering another one) antidepressants to find ones that work on each patient is PROBABLY the cause of increased suicidal tendencies in patients on anti-depressants:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18515448?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

See, depression returns FAR MORE POTENTLY after a lessening of treatment due to the biochemical make-up of the brain.

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Antidepressants (SSRI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI_antidepressants) prevent the reuptake of Serotonin by neurons in the brain. This increases the concentration of Serotonin in the synaptic space between neurons. Serotonin serves to moderate a whole host of emotions, so the higher the level of Serotonin, the more "mellow" you'll become. If you are weaned off of SSRI anti-depressants, Serotonin reuptake receptors are reactivated, and the Serotonin levels in your synapses suddenly drop to nothing!

So, withdrawal from anti-depressant use is the real reason for the increase in suicidal tendencies, for the most part.

[badkarma]

IF a drug INCREASES the suicide rate by 5% wouldn't you pull it?

YES

Guess what THESE DRUGS INCREASE SUICIDE AND HOMICIDE RATES
Are you comparing the suicide rate of people diagnosed as depressed to those that are not diagnosed as depressed?

[bossman068410]

Link to study that states that?



Not in the case of Paxil as found by a study of NY youth suicides from 1993 - 1998.
See, depression returns FAR MORE POTENTLY after a lessening of treatment due to the biochemical make-up of the brain.

<snip>

So, withdrawal from anti-depressant use is the real reason for the increase in suicidal tendencies, for the most part.

There is a marrage betweed GOV and PHARMA
Did you know ALL of the Board mebers of the FDA
are part of the Pharma INDUSTRY

Paxil increases suicide risk: report
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/22/news/international/paxil/index.htm

Paxil Maker Held Liable in Murder/Suicide
http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/media/ssri/Paxil_murder.htm

Paxil Deaths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWr1GK7w1uE
A Memorial

Hannity's America with Douglas Kennedy on Antidepressants
Treatment could be the PROBLEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUchjOKxKY8

[Greyclouds]

There is a marrage betweed GOV and PHARMA
Did you know ALL of the Board mebers of the FDA
are part of the Pharma INDUSTRY

Paxil increases suicide risk: report
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/22/news/international/paxil/index.htm

Paxil Maker Held Liable in Murder/Suicide
http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/media/ssri/Paxil_murder.htm

Paxil Deaths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWr1GK7w1uE
A Memorial

Hannity's America with Douglas Kennedy on Antidepressants
Treatment could be the PROBLEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUchjOKxKY8

I'm not a big fan of your editing of my quote. Please remove the "blah blah" portion. A "..." or <snip> would suffice.

As for the rest of your post, the first study I posted was done at Cornell University. The second was conducted IN THE UNITED KINGDOM. They were also peer-reviewed by other scientists before being published. So, unless the conspiracy extends FAR through the ranks of international scientists, I'd be very wary of any websites or lawsuits that suggest otherwise.

[bossman068410]

I'm not a big fan of your editing of my quote. Please remove the "blah blah" portion. A "..." or <snip> would suffice.

As for the rest of your post, the first study I posted was done at Cornell University. The second was conducted IN THE UNITED KINGDOM. They were also peer-reviewed by other scientists before being published. So, unless the conspiracy extends FAR through the ranks of international scientists, I'd be very wary of any websites or lawsuits that suggest otherwise.

Here are some quotes from USERS

I agree marijuana may have made me paranoid but this ****EN PAXIL IS HELL!!! MARIJUANA DOSENT EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE HELL THAT PAXIL HAS CAUSED ME AND IVE BEEN ON 20 MG'S FOR 4 DAYS AND DROPPED TO 1/2 TAB TODAY 10MG AND I ****EN COLLAPSED WHILE MAKING A DRINK hell marijuana never made me collapse this drug is the worst i know datura didn't do this **** that paxil does ban the **** it is nasty!!!

yea i've been off of paxhell for about
1 month now after taking it for 5 yrs
I started having amnesia while on it.
I still currently have the debilitating
withdrawals plus slight amnesia.
Worst part for me is being in a constant
stupor that nothing can fix (that i've tried)
Gl to those attempting to discard this
drug for good. You'll need it :/

Yep, after almost ten years on this hideous substance I would have to say your withdrawal depiction is very, very accurate. Thank you for expressing yourself in this way, it takes courage to face all that horrifying crap and by doing so we can eventually let it go and free ourselves . Freedom is the last thing GSK wants any of us to have, so for every ssri addict that gets free, in goes another nail in the big-pharma coffin!!

I stupidly cold turkeyed off this a YEAR ago I am thinking of throwing in the towel I have so many withdrawal symptoms it isnt even funny.I feel like I am slowly dying from a painful disease,the bad thing is is that my stupid doctor has had me on klonopin for 7 years on top of the paxil man I am damned if i do and damned if i dont

[Greyclouds]

Here are some quotes from USERS

That is four users. Can you tie those users to the murders/suicides that you alluded to in your title?

If not, then you're talking about the addiction rates and withdrawal symptoms of the drug. Yes, they are bad, but unless you directly tie them to the murders/suicides, then you cannot blame the drug directly.

Much like Goth music was blamed for several school shootings; it turns out that outcast children were not influenced by Goth, so much as they listened to it. The picture is often far more complicated than you let on.

edit: thank you for editing my quoted text in a previous post.

[bossman068410]

7 out of 12 !!!!!
of school shootings were from students on or withdrawing from Anti-Depressants. Thats the ones that have been proven.

FROM FOX NEWS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtrLBYwIOZs

[bossman068410]

The evidence is in. A small percentage of those taking antidepressants will become homocidal and/or suicidal. But a small percentage of 30,000,000 is more than hundreds of thousands of people in the U.S. alone! Though most of those people manage to get off the medications before acting on strong violent impulses, that's a lot of lives placed in jeapordy. And even if not common, too often, the result is tragic. Here's the topper: On average, these drugs barely work better than placebos in alleviating depression!!!

(Yes, they do seem to have dramatic impact on depression in SOME individuals. But if, on average, they are barely better than placebos, then the vast majority of users either get no benefit or the benefit of some must be offset by increasing problems in others. The result is that large studies show that, ON AVERAGE, the SSRIs are barely better than placebos, despite good results experienced by SOME people.)

[Greyclouds]

The evidence is in. A small percentage of those taking antidepressants will become homocidal and/or suicidal. But a small percentage of 30,000,000 is more than hundreds of thousands of people in the U.S. alone! Though most of those people manage to get off the medications before acting on strong violent impulses, that's a lot of lives placed in jeapordy. And even if not common, too often, the result is tragic. Here's the topper: On average, these drugs barely work better than placebos in alleviating depression!!!

If you gave us that percentage, then we could do the calculation based on the total number of people who are prescribed anti-depressants in the US.

There are 118 million people in the US who have prescriptions for anti-depressants according to the CDC as reported by CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/07/09/antidepressants/index.html

If we have 100 people a year that commit suicide directly because of complications due to anti-depressant use, that makes it 8.48 x 10^-9 % of the total number of people on anti-depressants who commit suicide because of them. I just made up the 100 people without data to illustrate a point.

In order to approach a statistically significant value (5%), you'd have to have 5 million people over a span of 10 years committing suicide because of anti-depressant use.



(Yes, they do seem to have dramatic impact on depression in SOME individuals. But if, on average, they are barely better than placebos, then the vast majority of users either get no benefit or the benefit of some must be offset by increasing problems in others. The result is that large studies show that, ON AVERAGE, the SSRIs are barely better than placebos, despite good results experienced by SOME people.)

What study is the source of your data? Testimonials from people who have adverse reactions from SSRI's? Websites?

Or actual scientific journal articles?

[khigh]

If you have a kid that can have pshycotic episodes, wouldn't you lock your guns up? And, in the case of adults, it would be nice if people were black listed from owning guns due to a medical condition.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I am a responsible gun owner and have never shot anyone or any animal for that matter. Never wanted to. I am studying to be a forensic scientist and will be applying for several federal agencies after I graduate. Why does that matter?

I was recently diagnosed Bipolar I and am on lithium and Wellbutrin. Those two drugs have helped my life out significantly. Probably saved my marriage.

[badkarma]

Are you comparing the suicide rate of people diagnosed as depressed to those that are not diagnosed as depressed?
I am going to ask this again, since you seem to be ignoring it.

[uncledoom]

Perhaps the problem was that he didn't take any meds.

[tinydancer]

Anti Depressant meds should be outlawed. If you need an anti depressant, go pick up a good looking hooker.

Now how did that just work out for the sham wow guy?:razz:Now he probably needs meds.

[tinydancer]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I am a responsible gun owner and have never shot anyone or any animal for that matter. Never wanted to. I am studying to be a forensic scientist and will be applying for several federal agencies after I graduate. Why does that matter?

I was recently diagnosed Bipolar I and am on lithium and Wellbutrin. Those two drugs have helped my life out significantly. Probably saved my marriage.

I often wonder if it is not just the drug, but the physician who incorrectly diagnoses the condition and consequently incorrectly prescribes the wrong medication.

I bet dollars to donuts that certainly those situations must have played out in some cases.

[Cav Scout]

Now how did that just work out for the sham wow guy?:razz:Now he probably needs meds.

One would have thought that being a Product marketing guru, he would have picked a better quality product for himself...

:mrgreen:

[Cav Scout]

If you have a kid that can have pshycotic episodes, wouldn't you lock your guns up? And, in the case of adults, it would be nice if people were black listed from owning guns due to a medical condition.

Food for thought.

The most unstable person I have ever met and worked with was a navy nuke bubblehead.

[khigh]

I often wonder if it is not just the drug, but the physician who incorrectly diagnoses the condition and consequently incorrectly prescribes the wrong medication.

I bet dollars to donuts that certainly those situations must have played out in some cases.

It took me close to 7 years to get a good diagnosis. One of those happy one minute, crying the next, spending too much money, and starting projects without finishing them type things. One doc said I was depressed, another said hormones, and another said there was nothing wrong. I finally got the right answer and am doing a lot better now.

It probably was a wrong diagnosis or the wrong meds prescribed in many of those situations. Psychology is a hard science to get right. Heck, Freud treated psychosis with cocaine. Early military testing on PTSD (shell shock then) was LSD and MDMA. They are starting to test MDMA (street name Exstacy) on PTSD and Bipolar patients again and it seems to be working. The CIA used to be very fond of the drug.