Cop who stopped NFL player resigns

[Broadway_buff]

DALLAS (AP)—The police officer who pulled out his gun and threatened an NFL player with jail instead of allowing him inside a hospital where his mother-in-law was dying resigned Wednesday.

Officer Robert Powell had been placed on paid leave pending an investigation of the March 18 incident.

“I made this decision in the hope that my resignation will allow the Dallas Police Department, my fellow officers and the citizens of Dallas to better reflect on this experience, learn from the mistakes made, and move forward,” Powell said in a statement issued through his attorneys.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Lost Soul]

I heard about this.....sad. There is no reason to hold someone just to be a ***** and prove you can.

But however, I am glad the officer admitted fault and resigned.

[oldandtired]

DALLAS (AP)—The police officer who pulled out his gun and threatened an NFL player with jail instead of allowing him inside a hospital where his mother-in-law was dying resigned Wednesday.

Officer Robert Powell had been placed on paid leave pending an investigation of the March 18 incident.

“I made this decision in the hope that my resignation will allow the Dallas Police Department, my fellow officers and the citizens of Dallas to better reflect on this experience, learn from the mistakes made, and move forward,” Powell said in a statement issued through his attorneys.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns

The officer dropped the ball and deserved suspension.
Likewise, his resigning, and the wayhe did it shows he learned from his error....and his resignation, therefore should be refused.

My guess, he is a better man and a better police officer as a result of this experience.

Just my opinion.

[Lost Soul]

Yes...Baby Killers.

?

boy youre going to last long:rolleyes:

[oldandtired]

Yes...Baby Killers.

Huh? Either wrong thread or wrong world.

[flashycopy]

Makes you wonder how many people this guy crapped on who were not famous enough to make the news?

[Lost Soul]

Huh? Either wrong thread or wrong world.
My guess, a kid on moms computer before she gets home.

[Lost Soul]

Makes you wonder how many people this guy crapped on who were not famous enough to make the news?
Who knows? Or it could be the first and last time.

From my dealing with law enforcement, they are people just like everyone else with a few exceptions. They are doing a ******** job, making a ******** wage but it puts food on the table and keeps the lights on.

[oldandtired]

Makes you wonder how many people this guy crapped on who were not famous enough to make the news?


The guy screwed up and unlike most, he not only admitted it but quite obviously learned from it.

I give him a pass on a judgement such as yours. I see him as someone who truly regrets his actions.

He gave up "paid leave"....that speaks volumes.

[croupier101]

The article doesn't say much about the other officer that was on the scene.

[ka2008]

DALLAS (AP)—The police officer who pulled out his gun and threatened an NFL player with jail instead of allowing him inside a hospital where his mother-in-law was dying resigned Wednesday.

Officer Robert Powell had been placed on paid leave pending an investigation of the March 18 incident.

“I made this decision in the hope that my resignation will allow the Dallas Police Department, my fellow officers and the citizens of Dallas to better reflect on this experience, learn from the mistakes made, and move forward,” Powell said in a statement issued through his attorneys.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nflplayer-stopped&prov=ap&type=lgns


Good..I'm glad he did. He used very poor judgement of the situation and handled it in all the wrong ways.

[Broadway_buff]

The article doesn't say much about the other officer that was on the scene.

The other LEO on the scene was from Plano. He told his bosses in Plano about Powell. Plano then notified Dallas.

[croupier101]

Makes you wonder how many people this guy crapped on who were not famous enough to make the news?

Zach Thomas of the Dallas Cowboys came forward with a complaint about the same officer regarding a different incident.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/sports/football/Jailed-For-Traffic-Stop-Powells-Done-It-Before.html

[oldandtired]

Zach Thomas of the Dallas Cowboys came forward with a complaint about the same officer regarding a different incident.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/sports/football/Jailed-For-Traffic-Stop-Powells-Done-It-Before.html

Well, there goes my theory down the tubes.
Thanks for the link.

[shrek]

The other LEO on the scene was from Plano. He told his bosses in Plano about Powell. Plano then notified Dallas.


You have to wonder when a fellow police officer notifies his superiors about a fellow officer.

Officer powell definately sounds like he has control issues.

[mbu]

He should have resigned and should never work as a police officer again! Hey...like cops say,"if you do the crime then do the time"! I'm glad he owned up to his stupidity and hope he finds another job - just NOT as a police officer.

I wonder how much this is going to cost taxpayers?

[CaptainCrunch]

I admit I'm totally out of the loop on this.

What happened.

The sum of my knowledge on this is the cop pulled somebody over for a traffic violation, the driver carried on quite a bit, the cop detained him for the traffic violation for how long i don't know.

Does the police department have a policy on what to do if they pull somebody over for a traffic violation and then is told by the driver they have a sick relative in the hospital?

[mwevans1234]

Gotta love it when people live down to their worst stereotypes . . .

[Broseph]

One less member of the fuzz to worry about. :lol:

[RedStatePaPa]

Too bad he lost his job. He screwed up but so does everyone.

If it had been a white guy he pulled a gun on, would it even have been an issue? No.

[Mike Griffith]

He should have been fired. He is obviously a racist. Come to find out that last year he harassed a Hispanic lady who also happened to be the wife of an NFL player. The guy should be banned from ever working in law enforcement again.

[croupier101]

If it had been a white guy he pulled a gun on, would it even have been an issue? No.

probably would have been promoted.

[F_Rat-46]

He should have resigned and should never work as a police officer again! Hey...like cops say,"if you do the crime then do the time"! I'm glad he owned up to his stupidity and hope he finds another job - just NOT as a police officer.

I wonder how much this is going to cost taxpayers?

If "stupidity" is a crime as you infer, then most everyone would be "doing time".:think:

[chip]

I admit I'm totally out of the loop on this.

What happened.

The sum of my knowledge on this is the cop pulled somebody over for a traffic violation, the driver carried on quite a bit, the cop detained him for the traffic violation for how long i don't know.

Does the police department have a policy on what to do if they pull somebody over for a traffic violation and then is told by the driver they have a sick relative in the hospital?

Not quite that simple

Heres the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Q49VztpLI

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzjg2EhNLY0&feature=related

[CaptainCrunch]

The copy I saw on Youtube showed the driver carrying on, when asked for proof of insurance the driver told the cop to look for it he didn't know where it was at and then admitted to driving without insurance. The driver said it was his mom that was dying. I guess it was actually his M-I-L.

13 minute stop for a traffic violation?
That's pretty good if you ask me.
Going through a red light with no insurance, in South Carolina you would've been held up longer than 13 minutes, smart mouthing a trooper that he could look for the insurance card cause the driver didn't know where it was at. I've seen people get tazed for less than that on cop shows.

[Lost Soul]

One less member of the fuzz to worry about. :lol:

What a stupid statement.:rolleyes:

Next time your in an accident, needing help, call Ron Paul to come help you. See how long it takes him to get there.

[croupier101]

The copy I saw on Youtube showed the driver carrying on, when asked for proof of insurance the driver told the cop to look for it he didn't know where it was at and then admitted to driving without insurance. The driver said it was his mom that was dying. I guess it was actually his M-I-L.

13 minute stop for a traffic violation?
That's pretty good if you ask me.
Going through a red light with no insurance, in South Carolina you would've been held up longer than 13 minutes, smart mouthing a trooper that he could look for the insurance card cause the driver didn't know where it was at. I've seen people get tazed for less than that on cop shows.

In that video, when the nurses came out begging the officer to release him because the mother was almost dead, the officer detained him for an additional 7 minutes. When the other police officer tells him to let him go that the woman is almost dead, it took an additional 6 minutes.

And the officer in question says to the young man "I can screw you over." He did.

And I don't think they are allowed to tazer someone simply because they are smarting off.

[ddye]

The officer dropped the ball and deserved suspension.
Likewise, his resigning, and the wayhe did it shows he learned from his error....and his resignation, therefore should be refused.

My guess, he is a better man and a better police officer as a result of this experience.

Just my opinion.
+1.

Doug

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

Is this manslaughter?

[RogerDodger]

My guess, he is a better man and a better police officer as a result of this experience.



Well, he's at least one of those.

[RogerDodger]

Is this manslaughter?

What??????

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

What??????

I think it should be up for debate...

[chip]

I think it should be up for debate...


Why would you think that?

[Plasmaball]

Powell seems to have an issue here.

[wayoverthehill]

The article doesn't say much about the other officer that was on the scene.The other officer was an off-duty Plano policeman who was working security for the hospital. He had no part in the traffic stop or subsequent detainment. He did, however, relay the information that Moats' MIL was indeed on the brink of death. He was ignored by Powell.

[FidelisAdMortem]

What exactly did this officer do to warrant being fired.

What law/procedure did he break?

Thats all I want to know.

[wayoverthehill]

What exactly did this officer do to warrant being fired.

What law/procedure did he break?

Thats all I want to know.He wasn't fired. He resigned.

[RogerDodger]

What exactly did this officer do to warrant being fired.

What law/procedure did he break?

Thats all I want to know.

The officer himself said he used poor judgment. That will get you fired from most jobs.


ETA: As others pointed out, he resigned.

[chip]

What exactly did this officer do to warrant being fired.

What law/procedure did he break?

Thats all I want to know.

He resigned. His actions were well within the letter of the law, he failed at common sense and human decency.

[ISYairio]

I admit I'm totally out of the loop on this.

What happened.

<snip>Here some excerpts (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html)(bout half way down).

[CaptainCrunch]

I watched the youtube.
After he ran the red light and continued to keep driving as the cop was chasing him he also ran through 2 stop signs.

I think the cop was trying to calm the guy down, who was acting hysterically, when he said I can screw you if I wanted to, another words shut and listen or I'll arrest you. The guy never shut up the whole time until the 2 security guards walked over then it was all "yes sir" / "no sir".

Most humble apologies to my fellow forum members but I'll have to side on the policeman's behalf. It's too bad he didn't have the courage to stand up for himself and how he handled the situation but then the police department found it easier to throw him under the paddy wagon than to stick up for him.

It's also pretty common not to allow family member's in the patient's room while the staff are coding them. I'm not sure if that's the policy of that particular hospital or not.

[tottenham]

The officer dropped the ball and deserved suspension.
Likewise, his resigning, and the way he did it shows he learned from his error....and his resignation, therefore should be refused.

My guess, he is a better man and a better police officer as a result of this experience.

Just my opinion.

Very well said. He made an error, admitted it lets just move on.

[croupier101]

He resigned. His actions were well within the letter of the law, he failed at common sense and human decency.

Maybe that isn't required.

[Creefer]

I watched the youtube.
After he ran the red light and continued to keep driving as the cop was chasing him he also ran through 2 stop signs.

I think the cop was trying to calm the guy down, who was acting hysterically, when he said I can screw you if I wanted to, another words shut and listen or I'll arrest you. The guy never shut up the whole time until the 2 security guards walked over then it was all "yes sir" / "no sir".

Most humble apologies to my fellow forum members but I'll have to side on the policeman's behalf. It's too bad he didn't have the courage to stand up for himself and how he handled the situation but then the police department found it easier to throw him under the paddy wagon than to stick up for him.

It's also pretty common not to allow family member's in the patient's room while the staff are coding them. I'm not sure if that's the policy of that particular hospital or not.

Funny, you actually watched the video and quickly came to the same conclusion as I did, that this Moats guy brought this all on himself by acting completely wrong in the first place, causing the officer to respond exactly as he had been trained to respond. For this, he was thrown under the bus so as not to upset the millionaire athlete community and their fans.

[Remus Lupin]

Huh? Either wrong thread or wrong world.

I just reported the wiseguy!

[TheFallGuy]

What a stupid statement.:rolleyes:

Next time your in an accident, needing help, call Ron Paul to come help you. See how long it takes him to get there.

That statement comes from the same type of people that bitch about the police, yet whenever there's the first sign of any trouble, whine about there either not being any police around or the police weren't there for them.

[TheFallGuy]

I find it amusing that those who claim to be defenders of police don't feel like holding this guy responsible for what may have killed someone.

If you care about the law and fairness shouldn't he be held responsible just as if a civilian stopped a car (or ambulance) transporting someone who is dying to get treatment?

I can't believe the guy was getting upset, because I mean, who wouldn't if their dying mother-in-law needed immediate treatment and you were the ass preventing it at the barrel of a gun?

I guess I shouldn't be real surprised, considering what most of you authoritarians support...

:rolleyes:

The cop did his job in pulling the nfler over when he ran red lights and stop signs. The man was emotional while dealing with the cop.

Where the cop erred was he didn't realize that if he escorted the nfler to the hospital, at least tailed him there, then he could have verified all of the information and gone on with his duties. Then, if he so chose, he could've given several tickets for running the lights and stop signs and been an ******* for it (I've seen it done). The cop was in the wrong here.

Was the nfler someone who could've saved his mother-in-laws life? No. That's pulling hysterics.

You're also confusing someone who is authorized to be a cop versus random people. Logical fallacy.

I'm honestly not surprised what the libertarian/anarchists post anymore.

[Creefer]

Where did we get this thought that this stop had anything to do with the MIL dying or not? Are you making this up? She was going to die regardless of how long the traffic stop took.

[Hadassah]

Who the guy is getting pulled over is irrelevant (unless you have a double standard there also). The fact is the cop's actions may have led to the death of this poor lady, which I would leave up to a jury to decide.



Of course he was wrong.



I never suggested that. He was transporting her to get treatment until someone prevented it.



I'm not the person applying one standard to someone with a badge (a standard which supports no legal repercussions to those whose actions led to the death of someone) compared to someone without a badge. It's not a logical fallacy. :rolleyes:



Do you ever wonder why the "anti-cop" crowd gets upset with issues like this? Does it ever cross your mind that maybe it could be largely due to the numerous people who don't want to hold a police officer legally responsible for what would be a crime if it was done by someone without a government badge?

Wasn't the M-I-L already in the hospital and Mr. Moats and family were rushing there to see her because she was dying? I haven't read anything to suggest that he was transporting her to the hospital for treatment.

[2Parties1GlobalistGoal]

nevermind I completely misread and misunderstood this story when I saw it on tv and reading it earlier....

Sorry to those of you who responded to my dumbass posts...

[TheFallGuy]

Who the guy is getting pulled over is irrelevant (unless you have a double standard there also). The fact is the cop's actions may have led to the death of this poor lady, which I would leave up to a jury to decide.
Wrong. The poor lady was delivered to the hospital before the nfler arrived. She was in a place where professionals could have dealt with her condition. Or are you suggesting that the nfler had all the medical expertise to deal with the situation. Even a doctor would turn their mother-in-law over to another doctor so they wouldn't have the emotional attachment involved. The nfler would have sat in the waiting room wondering what to do. The cop, was insensitive. As I said, he could've written up a ticket and slapped it on the windshield if he had wanted to do just that. It was insensitive to say the least.

I'm not the person applying one standard to someone with a badge (a standard which supports no legal repercussions to those whose actions led to the death of someone) compared to someone without a badge. It's not a logical fallacy. :rolleyes:
And you're factually wrong there. Cops must abide by the same laws and are held to stricter standards than civilians. I've seen this in action personally. So you can't pull this "one standard for cops" crap when I know for a fact that they are held to the same, if not higher, standard than civilians.
Do you ever wonder why the "anti-cop" crowd gets upset with issues like this? Does it ever cross your mind that maybe it could be largely due to the numerous people who don't want to hold a police officer legally responsible for what would be a crime if it was done by someone without a government badge?

Do you ever wonder why the "anti-cop" crowd gets upset in the first place? Does it ever cross your mind that maybe it could be largely due to the numerous people who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions? In their painted view of the world, all cops are bad. Even here, the cop does not even get the benefit of a fair trail in a court of law. The same anti-cop idiots want to go on an instant lynching anytime a cop supposedly does something wrong. There is no reason, really, for them to do that but sheer bovine, irrational hatred.

And here again, painting with a broad stroke that people don't want to see justice, is nonsense. People want to see justice performed regardless of who the perpetrator is, whether he or she wears a badge. Spouting nonsense to the effect of feeding "anti-cop" hysterics is juvenile, malicious, and overall stupid.

[sgtmac_46]

Huh? Either wrong thread or wrong world. He left his brain in his other pants.

[sgtmac_46]

I admit I'm totally out of the loop on this.

What happened.

The sum of my knowledge on this is the cop pulled somebody over for a traffic violation, the driver carried on quite a bit, the cop detained him for the traffic violation for how long i don't know.

Does the police department have a policy on what to do if they pull somebody over for a traffic violation and then is told by the driver they have a sick relative in the hospital? You summed up COMPLETELY what actually happened.......the drama queen response to it, on the other hand, is a whole mess beyond explanation.

Not one drama queen, however, has YET to come up with one single rule, law, statute or policy that Powell violated.......i'm still waiting for something more concrete than 'He was an ass'.........

I've already summed up in a separate post what Powell DID do, but there's a whole lot of vitriol being thrown at a guy who violated not ONE SINGLE rule, law or written guideline.

[murphy]

I watched the youtube.
After he ran the red light and continued to keep driving as the cop was chasing him he also ran through 2 stop signs.

I think the cop was trying to calm the guy down, who was acting hysterically, when he said I can screw you if I wanted to, another words shut and listen or I'll arrest you. The guy never shut up the whole time until the 2 security guards walked over then it was all "yes sir" / "no sir".

Most humble apologies to my fellow forum members but I'll have to side on the policeman's behalf. It's too bad he didn't have the courage to stand up for himself and how he handled the situation but then the police department found it easier to throw him under the paddy wagon than to stick up for him.

It's also pretty common not to allow family member's in the patient's room while the staff are coding them. I'm not sure if that's the policy of that particular hospital or not.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, CaptainCrunch. Police officers as a rule do a fantastic job. This guy, on the other hand, is sorely lacking basic empathy. I understand the traffic stop, etc. HOWEVER, when both a nurse and fellow officer told him what was going on, he should have let Mr. Motes go into the hospital and he could have written the tickets later, or let him off the hook. I don't know if Mr. Powell should have been fired/resigned, but at the very least he needs some sensitivity training, and perhaps have been reassigned for a time/worked along with a veteran, etc.

As far as the hospital and the code...perhaps the mother-in-law had a DNR/advance directive, and was slipping away. Either way, Mr. Motes should have been there, at the very least to support his wife, who was enduring what I'm sure was one of the very worst moments of her life. This officer was told of the circumstances and did not care, 'cause he and a badge...just plain wrong. Illegal? No, but just because he didn't break a law doesn't make what he did acceptable, either.

[Broadway_buff]

Makes you wonder how many people this guy crapped on who were not famous enough to make the news?



Here are some examples:


Review in Denton

In Denton County, where there is a sliver of territory inside Dallas city limits, prosecutors are also reviewing Powell's cases.

"It's a small number of cases, but nonetheless it needs to be looked at, and that's what we're going to do," Denton County District Attorney Paul Johnson said.

In one Denton County case, dismissed by prosecutors last year, Powell can be heard on his dashboard video camera acting hostile toward a man he pulled over for speeding.

"What's your hurry?" Powell asked.

"No hurry, sir."

"All right, try again," Powell said. "What's your hurry? ... Don't lie."

Powell can then be heard telling another officer that he didn't smell any alcohol on the man but was going to check him for intoxication anyway.

The man refused to blow into a Breathalyzer but did perform field sobriety tests of speech and balance. Powell arrested the man on a DWI charge.

Later, at a state hearing to determine whether the man would lose his driver's license for refusing the breath test, Powell contradicted what he said on video.

"And you asked him to step out of the car for what reason?" the man's attorney, Kimberly Griffin Tucker, asked Powell, according to a transcript.

"Because I smelled alcohol on his breath," Powell replied.

When Tucker then played the video, Powell gave another explanation.

"Well, I didn't say exactly when I smelled the alcohol," he said. "Sometimes when I get people out, I can smell it more than in their vehicle because a lot of times people won't exactly look at me."

The judge, unconvinced that Powell had probable cause, declined to suspend the man's license in the December 2007 arrest. And Denton County prosecutors dismissed the DWI charge. They didn't feel they had enough evidence to make a case, prosecutor Jamie Beck said.

Of the defendant's actions on tape, Beck said: "He's being very polite, very cooperative, and his mental faculties appear to be intact."

"The officer is kind of a jerk," the prosecutor said, "so that's going to count against us when we're trying it in court."


<snip> (different trial)

During the trial this January, Schulte asked Powell how many people he had investigated for DWI. According to Schulte, Powell said he had investigated 40 people and arrested all of them. He said that he arrested people for DWI if they had alcohol on their breath even if they passed sobriety tests.

"He testified that he thought it was odor alone," Schulte said.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-powell_02met.ART.State.Edition2.4a9b119.html

[FidelisAdMortem]

nevermind I completely misread and misunderstood this story when I saw it on tv and reading it earlier....

Sorry to those of you who responded to my dumbass posts...

If you didnt have such a overreacting disdain for police it probably wouldnt have happened, this mistake.

Says something about someone so amped up to bash a profession of people, while the entire time getting the entire situation wrong.

Great job. Heres a cookie.

[sgtmac_46]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, CaptainCrunch. Police officers as a rule do a fantastic job. This guy, on the other hand, is sorely lacking basic empathy. I understand the traffic stop, etc. HOWEVER, when both a nurse and fellow officer told him what was going on, he should have let Mr. Motes go into the hospital and he could have written the tickets later, or let him off the hook. I don't know if Mr. Powell should have been fired/resigned, but at the very least he needs some sensitivity training, and perhaps have been reassigned for a time/worked along with a veteran, etc.
A reasonable view in a sea of hysteria. Powell showed poor judgment in applying discretion.

[sgtmac_46]

Here are some examples:


Powell can be heard on his dashboard video camera acting hostile toward a man he pulled over for speeding.

"What's your hurry?" Powell asked.

"No hurry, sir."

"All right, try again," Powell said. "What's your hurry? ... Don't lie."
The Nazi FIEND!!!! :wall: :doh:

[Broadway_buff]

The Nazi FIEND!!!! :wall: :doh:

Did you read my whole post, or just the first couple of sentences?



He's the model for Officer of the Year:



Powell can then be heard telling another officer that he didn't smell any alcohol on the man but was going to check him for intoxication anyway.

<snip>

And you asked him to step out of the car for what reason?" the man's attorney, Kimberly Griffin Tucker, asked Powell, according to a transcript.

"Because I smelled alcohol on his breath," Powell replied.

<snip>
The judge, unconvinced that Powell had probable cause, declined to suspend the man's license in the December 2007 arrest.

<snip>
Of the defendant's actions on tape, (PROSECUTOR) Beck said: "He's being very polite, very cooperative, and his mental faculties appear to be intact."

The officer is kind of a jerk," the prosecutor said, "so that's going to count against us when we're trying it in court."

<snip> (about a different trial)

During the trial this January, Schulte asked Powell how many people he had investigated for DWI. According to Schulte, Powell said he had investigated 40 people and arrested all of them. He said that he arrested people for DWI if they had alcohol on their breath even if they passed sobriety tests.

"He testified that he thought it was odor alone," Schulte said.

[sgtmac_46]

Did you read my whole post, or just the first couple of sentences? You ever notice when people lose an argument about an incident, they have to start looking for all kinds of 'evidence' outside of that incident in order to make their point?

The issue was this traffic stop and whether and what the individuals involved did wrong.......it's been well established that your perspective on it was full of hyperbole and innuendo. Now you're attempting to reinforce your position in THIS incident by discussing other incidents........which really don't change anything about this incident.

What you should have been doing is finding the WRITTEN LAW, POLICY OR RULE that Powell violated in THIS incident.......now run along, my friend, and let me know when you find it. ;)

[Broadway_buff]

You ever notice when people lose an argument about an incident, they have to start looking for all kinds of 'evidence' outside of that incident in order to make their point?

The issue was this traffic stop and whether and what the individuals involved did wrong.......it's been well established that your perspective on it was full of hyperbole and innuendo. Now you're attempting to reinforce your position in THIS incident by discussing other incidents........which really don't change anything about this incident.

What you should have been doing is finding the WRITTEN LAW, POLICY OR RULE that Powell violated in THIS incident.......now run along, my friend, and let me know when you find it. ;)

You keep harping on this idea that Powell's actions were OK because he didn't violate law, policy or rule.

I've never said he violated any law, policy, etc.

What I have said is that he's a jerk. Just because he didn't violate any written policy, laws, etc, does NOT make him a good cop.

I posted the article from the newspaper to show that ex-officer Powell has a history of being an idiot. The traffic stop involving Moats is just another example of this.

[sgtmac_46]

You keep harping on this idea that Powell's actions were OK because he didn't violate law, policy or rule. Did I say they were 'Ok'? Nope! What I said was that folks like yourself were being hysterical drama queens, eager to declare Powell a Nazi, be fired, etc, etc, etc......based on what you perceive as him being 'A jerk'.

What I have said is that he's a jerk. Just because he didn't violate any written policy, laws, etc, does NOT make him a good cop. What do you know about what defines a good cop? Just out of curiosity.

I posted the article from the newspaper to show that ex-officer Powell has a history of being an idiot. The traffic stop involving Moats is just another example of this. It shows allegations and innuendo of the same......one of which being an allegation that he was rude when he asked someone what their hurry was on a traffic stop........seems a rather reaching and petty example.



You are free to go back and quote any post I made, and, in detail, explain your exception to them.......i've clearly explained my issues with Officer Powell's actions, as well as a detailed explanation of my professional opinion as to where they arose from, what Mr. Moat's role in the situation was, and what amount of fault lay squarely on his shoulders. You are, as I said, take exception to my conclusions if you like.

[Broadway_buff]

Did I say they were 'Ok'? Nope! What I said was that folks like yourself were being hysterical drama queens, eager to declare Powell a Nazi, be fired, etc, etc, etc......based on what you perceive as him being 'A jerk'.

What do you know about what defines a good cop? Just out of curiosity.

It shows allegations and innuendo of the same......one of which being an allegation that he was rude when he asked someone what their hurry was on a traffic stop........seems a rather reaching and petty example.



You are free to go back and quote any post I made, and, in detail, explain your exception to them.......i've clearly explained my issues with Officer Powell's actions, as well as a detailed explanation of my professional opinion as to where they arose from, what Mr. Moat's role in the situation was, and what amount of fault lay squarely on his shoulders. You are, as I said, take exception to my conclusions if you like.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've never said that powell was a nazi or even behaved like one. I've also never said he should have been fired or even that he should resign. Once again, you lump everybody together that doesn't fit into your way of thinking.

What makes a good cop? One that upholds the law and also knows how to deal with people and situations. Just following some printed list of policies and/or the law without using common sense does not make a good cop.

You also keep zoning in on on the first couple of sentences of the article I posted. The article actually contains more than some inuendo that he was "rude".

What is YOUR opinion that he mis-represents (notice I didn't say LIE) about why he asked the first guy out of the car? Also, what do you think about his lack of knowledge about drunk driving? He arrested everybody for DUI because he smelled it on their breath, even when they passed a dui test.

The prosecutor (who I presume likes to have the law upheld) calls Powell a "jerk". The Plano officer on the scene reported the incident to his superiors, who then called it into Dallas. If not violating a law/policy, etc is the issue, why would a local officer and his superiors even care about this?

[Gray]

What if this guy had killed someone by running a stop sign?

[sgtmac_46]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I've never said that powell was a nazi or even behaved like one. I've also never said he should have been fired or even that he should resign. Once again, you lump everybody together that doesn't fit into your way of thinking. Ahuh......that's why you felt the need to start a second thread on the topic. ;)

What makes a good cop? One that upholds the law and also knows how to deal with people and situations. Just following some printed list of policies and/or the law without using common sense does not make a good cop. And I asked what you personally knew about it?

You also keep zoning in on on the first couple of sentences of the article I posted. The article actually contains more than some inuendo that he was "rude". No, it really doesn't.

What is YOUR opinion that he mis-represents (notice I didn't say LIE) about why he asked the first guy out of the car? Also, what do you think about his lack of knowledge about drunk driving? He arrested everybody for DUI because he smelled it on their breath, even when they passed a dui test. I'd say there was a lack of supervision and training on the part of the department on DWI enforcement.

The prosecutor (who I presume likes to have the law upheld) calls Powell a "jerk". The Plano officer on the scene reported the incident to his superiors, who then called it into Dallas. If not violating a law/policy, etc is the issue, why would a local officer and his superiors even care about this? The Prosecutor is kissing the public's ass Ex-Post facto........he had all this information before, and didn't find it relevant until this issue came up.

What the Prosecutor REALLY meant was that all these cases with Powell are damaged by the publicity of THIS incident.

And as to WHY he would tell his superiors? Because it involved an unhappy celebrity......i'd tell my superiors too, knowing what kind of **** storm these things tend to blow up in to EVEN WHEN YOU'RE 100% RIGHT!

[sgtmac_46]

What if this guy had killed someone by running a stop sign? Then we'd be hearing a whole different kind of story.

[Gray]

Then we'd be hearing a whole different kind of story.

Of course.

Does this guy's tragic story justify putting other lives at risk? Of course not!

[sgtmac_46]

Of course.

Does this guy's tragic story justify putting other lives at risk? Of course not! It doesn't......understandable, yes.......but it certainly doesn't justify it.

[murphy]

Of course.

Does this guy's tragic story justify putting other lives at risk? Of course not!

He was driving with his hazards on, it was in the wee hours of the morning. He stopped at the light, was waved on by the only other motorist on the road, and THEN went through the intersection. Not exactly reckless abandon, wouldn't you say?

[ShinGouki]

Good. Very good.

[CaffeineHat]

What exactly did this officer do to warrant being fired.

What law/procedure did he break?

Thats all I want to know.
He wasn't fired, he resigned. Anytime during a routine traffic stop when a police officer unholsters and brandishes his weapon on an unarmed man, screams at him to shut his mouth, and threatens to "screw him over" for a simple violation in which no lives were in jeopardy, that officer has crossed the line. He used tremendously bad judgement and was comfortable continuing to do so in front of another LEO and several nurses from the hospital. If he was so intent on citing the driver, he could have done so in the waiting area of the hospital after the driver had visited his dying relative. Moats' family forgave the guy, but that doesn't excuse his behavior at the time.

[wayoverthehill]

He was driving with his hazards on, it was in the wee hours of the morning. He stopped at the light, was waved on by the only other motorist on the road, and THEN went through the intersection. Not exactly reckless abandon, wouldn't you say?
Not to mention (and I'm posting this for the umpteenth time), the 2 stop signs were on the hospital property which would be totally deserted at the time of the incident. Moats did not run any stop signs on a public thoroughfare. No matter how many times I point this out, it is totally ignored.