The Untold story of the Montana Plane Crash

[SoonerQueen]

Abortionist Family Dies - The Untold Story of the Montana Plane Crash

I just ran across this story. See what you think. Pray for the family.


Family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, Owner of the Nation's Largest Privately Owned Abortion Chain, Dies in Montana Plane Crash
Christian News Wire

MEDIA ADVISORY, Mar. 24 /Christian Newswire/ -- Some of you may have seen the major news story of the private plane that crashed into a Montana cemetery, killing 7 children and 7 adults.

But what the news sources fail to mention is that the Catholic Holy Cross Cemetery owned by Resurrection Cemetery Association in Butte - contains a memorial for local residents to pray the rosary, at the 'Tomb of the Unborn'. This memorial, located a short distance west of the church, was erected as a dedication to all babies who have died because of abortion.

What else is the mainstream news not telling you? The family who died in the crash near the location of the abortion victim's memorial, is the family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, owner of the largest for-profit abortion chain in the nation.

Family Planning Associates was purchased four years ago by Irving Moore "Bud" Feldkamp III, owner of Allcare and Hospitality Dental Associates and CEO of Glen Helen Raceway Park in San Bernardino. The 17 California Family Planning clinics perform more abortions in the state than any other abortion provider - Planned Parenthood included - and they perform abortions through the first five months of pregnancy.

Although Feldkamp is not an abortionist, he reaps profits of blood money from the tens of thousands of babies that are killed through abortions performed every year at the clinics he owns. His business in the abortion industry was what enabled him to afford the private plane that was carrying his family to their week-long vacation at The Yellowstone Club, a millionaires-only ski resort.

The plane went down on Sunday, killing two of Feldkamp's daughters, two sons-in-law and five grandchildren along with the pilot and four family friends. The plane, a single-engine turboprop flown by Bud Summerfield of Highland, crashed into the Catholic cemetery and burst into flames, only 500 ft. from its landing destination. All aboard were killed.

The cause of the crash is a mystery. The pilot, who was a former military flier who logged over 2,000 miles, gave no indication to air traffic controllers that the aircraft was experiencing difficulty when he asked to divert to an airport in Butte. Witnesses report that the plane suddenly nosedived toward the ground with no apparent signs of a struggle. There was neither a cockpit voice recorder nor a flight data recorder onboard, and no radar clues into the planes final moments because the Butte airport is not equipped with a radar facility. Some speculate that the crash was due to ice on the wings, but this particular plane model has been tested for icy weather and experts have stated that ice being the cause is unlikely.

In my time working for Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust, I helped organize and conduct a weekly campaign where youth activists stood outside of Feldkamp's mini-mansion in Redlands holding fetal development signs and raising community awareness regarding Feldkamp's dealings in child murder for profit. Every Thursday afternoon we called upon Bud and his wife Pam to repent, seek God's blessing and separate themselves from the practice of child killing.

We warned him, for his children's sake, to wash his hands of the innocent blood he assisted in spilling because, as Scripture warns, if "you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you". (Ezekiel 35:6)

A news source states that Bud Feldkamp visited the site of the crash with his wife and their two surviving children on Monday. As they stood near the twisted and charred debris talking with investigators, light snow fell on the tarps that covered the remains of their hildren.

I don't want to turn this tragic event into some creepy spiritual 'I told you so' moment, but I think of the time spent outside of Feldkamp's - Pam Feldkamp laughing at the fetal development signs, Bud Feldkamp trying not to make eye contact as he got into his car with a small child in tow - and I think of the haunting words, 'Think of your children.' I wonder if those words were haunting Feldkamp as well as he stood in the snow among the remains of
loved ones, just feet from the 'Tomb of the Unborn'?

I only hope and pray that in the face of this tragedy, Feldkamp recognizes his need for repentance and reformation. I pray that God will use this unfortunate catastrophe to soften the hearts of Bud and Pam and that they will draw close to the Lord and wash their hands of the blood of thousands of innocent children, each as precious and irreplaceable as their own.

"I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then." (Deut. 30:19)

Gingi Edmonds is a freelance pro-life activist, writer and photographer based out of Hanford, California. Gingi writes a bi-monthly ProLife Opinion Column and is available for pro-life presentations and speaking engagements. Visit www.gingiedmonds.com for more information.

[Sketch]

I bet if we look hard enough we'll find family members of clergy who died in plane crashes too; what does that tell us?

[Haplo]

I don't want to turn this tragic event into some creepy spiritual 'I told you so' moment, but...<snip> But I'm betting that is what you believe. Why else would you type out a few paragraphs worth of "I told you so" if it wasn't your intent to say this?

[BillyBobUSA]

Abortionist Family Dies - The Untold Story of the Montana Plane Crash

I just ran across this story. See what you think. Pray for the family.


Family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, Owner of the Nation's Largest Privately Owned Abortion Chain, Dies in Montana Plane Crash
Christian News Wire

MEDIA ADVISORY, Mar. 24 /Christian Newswire/ -- Some of you may have seen the major news story of the private plane that crashed into a Montana cemetery, killing 7 children and 7 adults.

But what the news sources fail to mention is that the Catholic Holy Cross Cemetery owned by Resurrection Cemetery Association in Butte - contains a memorial for local residents to pray the rosary, at the 'Tomb of the Unborn'. This memorial, located a short distance west of the church, was erected as a dedication to all babies who have died because of abortion.

What else is the mainstream news not telling you? The family who died in the crash near the location of the abortion victim's memorial, is the family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, owner of the largest for-profit abortion chain in the nation.

Family Planning Associates was purchased four years ago by Irving Moore "Bud" Feldkamp III, owner of Allcare and Hospitality Dental Associates and CEO of Glen Helen Raceway Park in San Bernardino. The 17 California Family Planning clinics perform more abortions in the state than any other abortion provider - Planned Parenthood included - and they perform abortions through the first five months of pregnancy.

Although Feldkamp is not an abortionist, he reaps profits of blood money from the tens of thousands of babies that are killed through abortions performed every year at the clinics he owns. His business in the abortion industry was what enabled him to afford the private plane that was carrying his family to their week-long vacation at The Yellowstone Club, a millionaires-only ski resort.

The plane went down on Sunday, killing two of Feldkamp's daughters, two sons-in-law and five grandchildren along with the pilot and four family friends. The plane, a single-engine turboprop flown by Bud Summerfield of Highland, crashed into the Catholic cemetery and burst into flames, only 500 ft. from its landing destination. All aboard were killed.

The cause of the crash is a mystery. The pilot, who was a former military flier who logged over 2,000 miles, gave no indication to air traffic controllers that the aircraft was experiencing difficulty when he asked to divert to an airport in Butte. Witnesses report that the plane suddenly nosedived toward the ground with no apparent signs of a struggle. There was neither a cockpit voice recorder nor a flight data recorder onboard, and no radar clues into the planes final moments because the Butte airport is not equipped with a radar facility. Some speculate that the crash was due to ice on the wings, but this particular plane model has been tested for icy weather and experts have stated that ice being the cause is unlikely.

In my time working for Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust, I helped organize and conduct a weekly campaign where youth activists stood outside of Feldkamp's mini-mansion in Redlands holding fetal development signs and raising community awareness regarding Feldkamp's dealings in child murder for profit. Every Thursday afternoon we called upon Bud and his wife Pam to repent, seek God's blessing and separate themselves from the practice of child killing.

We warned him, for his children's sake, to wash his hands of the innocent blood he assisted in spilling because, as Scripture warns, if "you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you". (Ezekiel 35:6)

A news source states that Bud Feldkamp visited the site of the crash with his wife and their two surviving children on Monday. As they stood near the twisted and charred debris talking with investigators, light snow fell on the tarps that covered the remains of their hildren.

I don't want to turn this tragic event into some creepy spiritual 'I told you so' moment, but I think of the time spent outside of Feldkamp's - Pam Feldkamp laughing at the fetal development signs, Bud Feldkamp trying not to make eye contact as he got into his car with a small child in tow - and I think of the haunting words, 'Think of your children.' I wonder if those words were haunting Feldkamp as well as he stood in the snow among the remains of
loved ones, just feet from the 'Tomb of the Unborn'?

I only hope and pray that in the face of this tragedy, Feldkamp recognizes his need for repentance and reformation. I pray that God will use this unfortunate catastrophe to soften the hearts of Bud and Pam and that they will draw close to the Lord and wash their hands of the blood of thousands of innocent children, each as precious and irreplaceable as their own.

"I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then." (Deut. 30:19)

Gingi Edmonds is a freelance pro-life activist, writer and photographer based out of Hanford, California. Gingi writes a bi-monthly ProLife Opinion Column and is available for pro-life presentations and speaking engagements. Visit www.gingiedmonds.com (http://www.gingiedmonds.com) for more information.


God is just.

[BillyBobUSA]

I bet if we look hard enough we'll find family members of clergy who died in plane crashes too; what does that tell us?


It tells us that you have difficulty grasping obvious corelations.

[BillyBobUSA]

<snip> But I'm betting that is what you believe. Why else would you type out a few paragraphs worth of "I told you so" if it wasn't your intent to say this?


A morality tale, which is implied here with all its little ironic details, is not an I-told-you-so but a warning.

It's not the OPs fault that you dont get it.

[NascarGirl2448]

Trying to make a correlation between a plane crash and someone's career? Talk about grasping at straws.

[NascarGirl2448]

A morality tale, which is implied here with all its little ironic details, is not an I-told-you-so but a warning.

It's not the OPs fault that you dont get it.

So every time a gynecologist dies its because abortion is legal??? PUHLEAZE!

[gdoane]

So every time a gynecologist dies its because abortion is legal??? PUHLEAZE!

In abortions, the good guys die and the bad people live. That's what happened in this plane crash too. "Bud" Feldkamp is the bad guy making money off of mass murder and he lived. He wasn't on the plane that crashed.

I don't believe in any religious implications here nor do I believe that God is so petty as to kill innocents to make a point to the guilty, but I do see the irony. The man made millions off of the deaths of other people's children and yet mourns the loss of his own.

I do see a couple of problems in the story. The pilot had logged over "2000 Miles"?? What's that in hours, 20 or so? Pilots log air time, not air miles and 2000 miles wouldn't even qualify for frequent flier discounts.

What kind of an idiotic Catholic Church puts a cemetary 500 feet from an airport? The roar of the jets and the smell of the jet fuel must make burials there pathetic. I can just see it now... "We are gathered here... WWHHHOOOOOSSSHHHH .... I SAID WE ARE GATHERED... VVVVRRROOOOOMMMM ... OH FORGET IT, DUMP HIM IN THE GROUND AND GO!!"

If a plane crash in the cemetary was trying to tell anybody anything, it was saying "dummies don't build cemetaries by airports!"

[badkarma]

So God murdered these children in an effort to show "Bud" Feldkamp, and the rest of the world, the evils of murdering children?

[Spiked101]

In abortions, the good guys die and the bad people live. That's what happened in this plane crash too. "Bud" Feldkamp is the bad guy making money off of mass murder and he lived. He wasn't on the plane that crashed.

I don't believe in any religious implications here nor do I believe that God is so petty as to kill innocents to make a point to the guilty, but I do see the irony. The man made millions off of the deaths of other people's children and yet mourns the loss of his own.

I do see a couple of problems in the story. The pilot had logged over "2000 Miles"?? What's that in hours, 20 or so? Pilots log air time, not air miles and 2000 miles wouldn't even qualify for frequent flier discounts.

What kind of an idiotic Catholic Church puts a cemetary 500 feet from an airport? The roar of the jets and the smell of the jet fuel must make burials there pathetic. I can just see it now... "We are gathered here... WWHHHOOOOOSSSHHHH .... I SAID WE ARE GATHERED... VVVVRRROOOOOMMMM ... OH FORGET IT, DUMP HIM IN THE GROUND AND GO!!"

If a plane crash in the cemetary was trying to tell anybody anything, it was saying "dummies don't build cemetaries by airports!"

Well in all fairness Gene, it could be the airport was built by the cemetary. Don't know which one was built first. But yeah, an cemetary next to an airport isn't ideal.

[AugustGem]

What kind of an idiotic Catholic Church puts a cemetary 500 feet from an airport? The roar of the jets and the smell of the jet fuel must make burials there pathetic. I can just see it now... "We are gathered here... WWHHHOOOOOSSSHHHH .... I SAID WE ARE GATHERED... VVVVRRROOOOOMMMM ... OH FORGET IT, DUMP HIM IN THE GROUND AND GO!!"

If a plane crash in the cemetary was trying to tell anybody anything, it was saying "dummies don't build cemetaries by airports!"

I would venture to guess the cemetary was there before the airport?

[gdoane]

Well in all fairness Gene, it could be the airport was built by the cemetary. Don't know which one was built first. But yeah, an cemetary next to an airport isn't ideal.

Maybe it helps sell flight life insurance for the airport?

It's really a two-way street. It's not great for the cemetary biz and nervous fliers seeing the airport with tombstones next to the place aren't going to be reassured about their safety either.

It's really a bad mix all around.

[Abe Babe]

A morality tale, which is implied here with all its little ironic details, is not an I-told-you-so but a warning.

It's not the OPs fault that you dont get it.

And all the aborted babies, what were they being punished for? Maybe one of them was going to be a doctor that performed abortions.

Irony as thick as a brick.

[noose4]

if there is a god then he is the biggest abortionist of them all, i guess he didnt like the competition.

[noose4]

Well in all fairness Gene, it could be the airport was built by the cemetary. Don't know which one was built first. But yeah, an cemetary next to an airport isn't ideal.

it is when their is a crash, better a plane crash into a cemetery than an active neighborhood.

[Prydz]

it is when their is a crash, better a plane crash into a cemetery than an active neighborhood.

This is a very old one - Ireland's worst air disaster occurred early this morning when a small two-seater Cessna plane crashed into a cemetery. Irish search and rescue workers have recovered 1826 bodies so far and expect that number to climb as digging continues into the night...

[slick_trip]

God is just.

killing their children, who have nothing to do with the family business, is your idea of a just god?

confirms exactly why i'm an atheist.

[LouC]

This is a very old one - Ireland's worst air disaster occurred early this morning when a small two-seater Cessna plane crashed into a cemetery. Irish search and rescue workers have recovered 1826 bodies so far and expect that number to climb as digging continues into the night...

:)) :clap:

[LouC]

killing their children, who have nothing to do with the family business, is your idea of a just god?

confirms exactly why i'm an atheist.

Well I am not an atheist but I certainly don't ascribe this sort of semi reach of a coincidence as being the "Will of God".

Will of God would have been the abortion clinic owner flying a plane singly that the winds blew way off course and then caused to crash into his biggest clinic.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

<snip> But I'm betting that is what you believe. Why else would you type out a few paragraphs worth of "I told you so" if it wasn't your intent to say this?

Exactly.

This is the mindset of domestic terrorists who bomb clinics .

[blazer]

God is just.

Yes He is!

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Why do some people feel the need to exact some sort of sick passive aggressive revenge on others during tragedy? It's happening more and more in our modern day society..and I have to say, it doesn't bode well for where we are going as a nation.

Take this pro life blogger OP for instance ...who through some use of twisted logic tied this families horrific loss and tragedy to money made legally by a venture capitalist business man. :rolleyes:

Thit capitalist has provided jobs through his various business, provided legal services to the public at large, and spent his money on things such as large homes, new cars and sundry s that help our economy...oh..and he pays taxes. So lets take him out back and beat him? Come on...this puts this specific blogger on par with Westborro Baptist Church wackos! :doh:

Isn't this family suffering enough? The loss of a child and grandchildren is devastating enough...why throw Gods supposed wrath down upon the heads of those two people in the OP too? Who is she (OP blogger article author) to judge what is and what is not God's wrath? I'm sure God has it well in hand and doesn't need some blithering passive aggressive nut job to tell us what is an what is not God's wrath!

Some fairly sick people out there today...who feel they can say or do anything under the guise of their faith or religion....Dear Lord...they will take any avenue they can to push an agenda....regardless the harm or pain they do....it's just sick imo!

shame...shame on this woman...may nothing like this every happen to her and have some nut job place this type of passive aggressive garbage on her or her family....:snooty:

~Mysty

[noose4]

Yes He is!

regarding the incident in the op?

[gdoane]

it is when their is a crash, better a plane crash into a cemetery than an active neighborhood.

The problem I see in that logic is that airports tend to attract big businesses like car rental places and hotels and such. With the growth that airports almost inevitably bring, the cemetery would eventually wind up getting moved out of there anyway.

[Mimiheart]

The problem I see in that logic is that airports tend to attract big businesses like car rental places and hotels and such. With the growth that airports almost inevitably bring, the cemetery would eventually wind up getting moved out of there anyway.
Depends on the size of the airport. There's a cemetery right by Deer Valley Airport. And there are some not far from Scottsdale Airport, too.

[Pudge]

God is just.

Wait a second...

God abhors the killing of the innocent unborn, so he's going to kill innocent children to make the point?

That's lunacy.

[NascarGirl2448]

If a plane crash in the cemetary was trying to tell anybody anything, it was saying "dummies don't build cemetaries by airports!"

So I guess idiots made Arlington National Cemetery? The fact that the land was stolen from the Lee family, by the government no less, notwithstanding, I haven't been there once and not had a plane take off from Reagan National and fly overhead during the Changing of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I guess whoever makes the airline schedules doesn't care about that either.

[murphy]

Why do some people feel the need to exact some sort of sick passive aggressive revenge on others during tragedy? It's happening more and more in our modern day society..and I have to say, it doesn't bode well for where we are going as a nation.

Take this pro life blogger OP for instance ...who through some use of twisted logic tied this families horrific loss and tragedy to money made legally by a venture capitalist business man. :rolleyes:

Thit capitalist has provided jobs through his various business, provided legal services to the public at large, and spent his money on things such as large homes, new cars and sundry s that help our economy...oh..and he pays taxes. So lets take him out back and beat him? Come on...this puts this specific blogger on par with Westborro Baptist Church wackos! :doh:

Isn't this family suffering enough? The loss of a child and grandchildren is devastating enough...why throw Gods supposed wrath down upon the heads of those two people in the OP too? Who is she (OP blogger article author) to judge what is and what is not God's wrath? I'm sure God has it well in hand and doesn't need some blithering passive aggressive nut job to tell us what is an what is not God's wrath!

Some fairly sick people out there today...who feel they can say or do anything under the guise of their faith or religion....Dear Lord...they will take any avenue they can to push an agenda....regardless the harm or pain they do....it's just sick imo!

shame...shame on this woman...may nothing like this every happen to her and have some nut job place this type of passive aggressive garbage on her or her family....:snooty:

~Mysty

So very well put, Mysty! This "article" serves no other purpose than to give the self-righteous some faux validation for their lunacy. What's more sick is agreeing with her point...that God would kill innocent children to show that he's mad about abortion....fuzzy logic is an understatement.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

So very well put, Mysty! This "article" serves no other purpose than to give the self-righteous some faux validation for their lunacy. What's more sick is agreeing with her point...that God would kill innocent children to show that he's mad about abortion....fuzzy logic is an understatement.

:redface: I thank you for your kind words. Honestly, this type of behavior from people such as this blogger woman in the OP just makes me want to shake them awake! It's just sick thinking! :wall:

The day I understand God and His plan; why things happen on this Earth the way they have; and how it all ends..is the day I'm no longer alive and walking this Earth.

For any human to place what is and what is not Gods divine hand within a situation makes them the worst abusers of man made self righteousness that I can think of. I mean Warren Jeffs is this kind of perverted twisted thinker...David Corish....Jim Jones...the list is to long to mention. These types of people may have started off with a good point or plan...or there may be a true ethical or moral compass embedded in their original intention...but it goes all to hell when they begin twisting passive aggressive judgments based upon a man made caused tragedy/accident..and then have the nerve to site God as the base root of that tragedy due to His displeasure with someone related to those people?. I mean come on....:rolleyes:...Westborro wacko's could have a new recruit with that type of thinking...

At some point, the human empathy for suffering of our fellow man must be considered and respected...not judged and added too.

~Mysty

[gdoane]

Depends on the size of the airport. There's a cemetery right by Deer Valley Airport. And there are some not far from Scottsdale Airport, too.

Both Deer Valley and Scottsdale Airpark have fueled huge growth. There are construction projects going on all around both places because Sky Harbor is about maxxed out and those two along with Williams Gateway and Falcon Field pick up a lot of the overflow.

[brouski]

How very Phelpsian.

[Forever Vigilant]

Bud Feldkamp is a very dear member of the off-roading community and has also given much in the fight for children. Glen Helen Raceway is used for many organizations to raise money for a multitude of illness's, and other accident victims to help pay for their recovery. It's a sport that I participate in and am thankful for people like him. Just last week I had the pleasure of joining him and Macolm Smith in their fight for the right for children to ride motocycles. They risked a $100,000 dollar fine and 5 years in prison for the selling and purchaseing of youth motocycles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMl1L1_QeU

Narrow minded people can only focus on one thing and can't see the whole picture. I for one don't want to go back to the day of the back-room abortion. So look for the whole truth and not just what you want to see.

You will see an outpouring of love and gratitude for this amazing man and I for one am heart sick over his loss.

[Alaric]

Well in all fairness Gene, it could be the airport was built by the cemetary. Don't know which one was built first. But yeah, an cemetary next to an airport isn't ideal.

Well, at least the residents won't be complaining about the noise.


Gene, If I recall correctly, didn't you have a brouhaha down in Phoenix a couple of years ago because some iggit wrote a scathing letter to the newspaper editor blasting the pilots from Luke AFB for their top gun wanna be antics over the city and making lots of noise, only to be responded to by the base commander that the event was a cemetery flyby for a pilot killed in combat in a missing man formation where one of four pilots pulls straight up to symbolize the fallen pilots ascent to heaven?

[MrCapitalism]

Well, there are two minutes of my life that are gone.

[Marleysdaddy]

Bud Feldkamp is a very dear member of the off-roading community and has also given much in the fight for children. Glen Helen Raceway is used for many organizations to raise money for a multitude of illness's, and other accident victims to help pay for their recovery. It's a sport that I participate in and am thankful for people like him. Just last week I had the pleasure of joining him and Macolm Smith in their fight for the right for children to ride motocycles. They risked a $100,000 dollar fine and 5 years in prison for the selling and purchaseing of youth motocycles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMl1L1_QeU

Narrow minded people can only focus on one thing and can't see the whole picture. I for one don't want to go back to the day of the back-room abortion. So look for the whole truth and not just what you want to see.

You will see an outpouring of love and gratitude for this amazing man and I for one am heart sick over his loss.

Thank you for sharing that

[Marleysdaddy]

How very Phelpsian.

Good neologism...can I steal it? ;)

[Alaric]

Well, there are two minutes of my life that are gone.

...with over 23,000 posts. :))

[AutoRacer55]

interesting thought just came to mind...

If a plane crashed into a cemetery, you wouldn't have to do too much, would you? The bodies would already be there, the graves are there too.

(of course this wouldn't really work, but just a thought)

[gb2004]

Bizarre twist to the story, but I don't think it means anything.

[brouski]

Good neologism...can I steal it? ;)

I won't take credit for something that seems so obvious. :razz:

[Sketch]

It tells us that you have difficulty grasping obvious corelations.

Oh i get it.

Eating rice gives you dark hair. This must be true because the Chinese eat a lot of rice, and they all seem to have dark hair.

Correlation does not mean causation.

[Haplo]

A morality tale, which is implied here with all its little ironic details, is not an I-told-you-so but a warning.
It's not the OPs fault that you dont get it.What don't I get? I told you so's generally do come after the warning is proven out.
We have been warned by Christians that your god is just and that bad things happen to bad people, we've also had it explained to us by the same Christians that people like this are evil by the nature of what they do. Lo and behold here is someone pointing a bad thing that happened to someone they believe to be a bad person.

How is this not a I told you so again?

I can't seem to reply to anything today..it adds in things like these < p > in places and won't go through even when I remove them. It will let me copy and paste into a new post though

[gb2004]

Bud Feldkamp is a very dear member of the off-roading community and has also given much in the fight for children. Glen Helen Raceway is used for many organizations to raise money for a multitude of illness's, and other accident victims to help pay for their recovery. It's a sport that I participate in and am thankful for people like him. Just last week I had the pleasure of joining him and Macolm Smith in their fight for the right for children to ride motocycles. They risked a $100,000 dollar fine and 5 years in prison for the selling and purchaseing of youth motocycles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMl1L1_QeU

Narrow minded people can only focus on one thing and can't see the whole picture. I for one don't want to go back to the day of the back-room abortion. So look for the whole truth and not just what you want to see.

You will see an outpouring of love and gratitude for this amazing man and I for one am heart sick over his loss.


I have to wonder what kind of doctor makes it his life's ambition to open a chain of abortion mills. That's just depraved.

[gdoane]

Well, at least the residents won't be complaining about the noise.


Gene, If I recall correctly, didn't you have a brouhaha down in Phoenix a couple of years ago because some iggit wrote a scathing letter to the newspaper editor blasting the pilots from Luke AFB for their top gun wanna be antics over the city and making lots of noise, only to be responded to by the base commander that the event was a cemetery flyby for a pilot killed in combat in a missing man formation where one of four pilots pulls straight up to symbolize the fallen pilots ascent to heaven?

It was Luke Air Force Base, but technically that base isn't in Phoenix but rather West of Phoenix and Glendale on land that Phoenix bought back in 1940 and leased to the Federal Government for $1 per year. Phoenix does own the land but the base is actually 15 miles west of the city limits.

Everybody with half a brain knows it's there and it's been there for nearly 70 years now. It's the largest F-16 training base in the world and nobody with enough money to buy a house would be silly enough to be surprised that the base is there. You can see the Luke AFB control tower from 20 miles away for pity's sake!

When Luke was built, there wasn't jack out there but some cotton fields and tumbleweeds. All the houses around the base are newer than that base is so I don't really buy any complaints made by residents about the noise.

You'd have to be 18 years old in 1940 to buy a house before Luke AFB was built, which would make you 87 years old and probably too hard of hearing to worry about the jet noise anyway.

[BillyBobUSA]

Trying to make a correlation between a plane crash and someone's career? Talk about grasping at straws.

Well when you omit almost all the pertinent facts, I can understand why you are confused.


So every time a gynecologist dies its because abortion is legal??? PUHLEAZE!

Grasping the obnvious is not exactly your forte it would seem.

Bud Feldkamp is the owne of one of the largest abortion providing businesses in the US.

Stacked Deck falsehoods do nothing to advance your arguments at all.

[BillyBobUSA]

In abortions, the good guys die and the bad people live. That's what happened in this plane crash too. "Bud" Feldkamp is the bad guy making money off of mass murder and he lived. He wasn't on the plane that crashed.

I don't believe in any religious implications here nor do I believe that God is so petty as to kill innocents to make a point to the guilty, but I do see the irony. The man made millions off of the deaths of other people's children and yet mourns the loss of his own.

I do see a couple of problems in the story. The pilot had logged over "2000 Miles"?? What's that in hours, 20 or so? Pilots log air time, not air miles and 2000 miles wouldn't even qualify for frequent flier discounts.

What kind of an idiotic Catholic Church puts a cemetary 500 feet from an airport? The roar of the jets and the smell of the jet fuel must make burials there pathetic. I can just see it now... "We are gathered here... WWHHHOOOOOSSSHHHH .... I SAID WE ARE GATHERED... VVVVRRROOOOOMMMM ... OH FORGET IT, DUMP HIM IN THE GROUND AND GO!!"

If a plane crash in the cemetary was trying to tell anybody anything, it was saying "dummies don't build cemetaries by airports!"


Not sure if the airport preceded the cemetary, but I highly doubt it.

As to the meaning, you will find what you prefer.

I prefer justice for the millions of innocent babies slaughtered by greedy doctors who shame their profession.

[BillyBobUSA]

Wait a second...

God abhors the killing of the innocent unborn, so he's going to kill innocent children to make the point?

That's lunacy.


How is that lunacy?

We fought the Second World War to end a set of brutal regimes and protect our innocent children. To do so we had to kill MILLIONS of the children of the aggressor nations.

That is how it is with God as well. Those who slaughter His children will pay for it; sometimes in this life as well as the next one.

There is no lunacy to it at all, and if you had read anything out of the Bible at all you would realise this.

[BillyBobUSA]

Exactly.

This is the mindset of domestic terrorists who bomb clinics .


:lol:

Talk about judgemental.

ABortion slaughter mill owners = innocent victim.

Theos opposed = potential terrorists.

Emma, you are a hoot.

[BillyBobUSA]

Well I am not an atheist but I certainly don't ascribe this sort of semi reach of a coincidence as being the "Will of God".

Will of God would have been the abortion clinic owner flying a plane singly that the winds blew way off course and then caused to crash into his biggest clinic.


Why?

I am sure the Caananites and Amalekites had little babies too; dont you?

[BillyBobUSA]

Why do some people feel the need to exact some sort of sick passive aggressive revenge on others during tragedy? It's happening more and more in our modern day society..and I have to say, it doesn't bode well for where we are going as a nation.

Take this pro life blogger OP for instance ...who through some use of twisted logic tied this families horrific loss and tragedy to money made legally by a venture capitalist business man. :rolleyes:

Looked to me like the OP was just making an observation.

She has freedom of speech in this country too, doesnt she?


Thit capitalist has provided jobs through his various business, provided legal services to the public at large, and spent his money on things such as large homes, new cars and sundry s that help our economy...oh..and he pays taxes.

Yeah, jobs via killing little unborn babies then probably selling their body parts as is so common in that industry.

He's just a regular hero.


So lets take him out back and beat him? Come on...this puts this specific blogger on par with Westborro Baptist Church wackos! :doh:

Not by a long shot.

The OP was simply speaking about her beliefs in regards to this monster, and she has every right to do so if you like it or do not.

She is not out at the funeral with placards denouncing the families of those bereaved.

You should try for a little more accuracy in your rants.


Isn't this family suffering enough? The loss of a child and grandchildren is devastating enough...why throw Gods supposed wrath down upon the heads of those two people in the OP too?

The same reason He did it to Sodom and Gamorah.


Who is she (OP blogger article author) to judge what is and what is not God's wrath?

Who are you to judge the blogger?

The Bible is fairly solidly on the side of the blogger here, IMO, while you seem to have no regard whatsoever to the millions of slaughtered unborn babies.

What a bloody hypocrital mess your perspective is!


I'm sure God has it well in hand and doesn't need some blithering passive aggressive nut job to tell us what is an what is not God's wrath!

I dont think you should speak for God, nor should you denounce people who are enduring the condemnation of nitwits to do what she thinks is right.

But on the other hand, go ahead-you merely lend the OP more credibility.


Some fairly sick people out there today...who feel they can say or do anything under the guise of their faith or religion....Dear Lord...they will take any avenue they can to push an agenda....regardless the harm or pain they do....it's just sick imo!

You mean like killing unborn babies or do you mean the people that denouncde such murderers?

Ah, you side with the murderers; thats your right of course.

shame...shame on this woman...may nothing like this every happen to her and have some nut job place this type of passive aggressive garbage on her or her family....:snooty:

~Mysty

No shame on you for damning the innocent killed for vile profit and those who try to speak out for them.

Shame, shame, shame on you Mystic Beast.

[BillyBobUSA]

So very well put, Mysty! This "article" serves no other purpose than to give the self-righteous some faux validation for their lunacy. What's more sick is agreeing with her point...that God would kill innocent children to show that he's mad about abortion....fuzzy logic is an understatement.


This is remarkable.

We have an 'industry' that murders millions of innocent unborn babies each year and a handful of people are devoted to stopping this holocaust of humanity.

And there is never a shortage of people who want to pose for the cameras and the applause of the crowd and act as though there is a right to murder these babies.

You make it plain that you are in support of the murderers; at least you are up front about it.

[BillyBobUSA]

How very Phelpsian.


How very Goebelsian.

[BillyBobUSA]

Bud Feldkamp is a very dear member of the off-roading community and has also given much in the fight for children. Glen Helen Raceway is used for many organizations to raise money for a multitude of illness's, and other accident victims to help pay for their recovery. It's a sport that I participate in and am thankful for people like him. Just last week I had the pleasure of joining him and Macolm Smith in their fight for the right for children to ride motocycles. They risked a $100,000 dollar fine and 5 years in prison for the selling and purchaseing of youth motocycles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMl1L1_QeU

Yes, my condolences on the loss of your friend.

Itis a shame that the evil we do so often completely overshadows the many other good thigns we might also do in life.

I am sure your freind appreciates your loyalty and support richly.


Narrow minded people can only focus on one thing and can't see the whole picture. I for one don't want to go back to the day of the back-room abortion. So look for the whole truth and not just what you want to see.

Yeah, thats the thing about murder; it just overshadows all the other little things that people do that is so cool about them.


You will see an outpouring of love and gratitude for this amazing man and I for one am heart sick over his loss.

I hope that your sadness is shortlived and your family is uplifted once again.

Please pardon me if I do not share that feeling towards Bud Feldkamp.

[BillyBobUSA]

Oh i get it.

Eating rice gives you dark hair. This must be true because the Chinese eat a lot of rice, and they all seem to have dark hair.

AGain, you dont seem to have a grasp of the obvious.


Correlation does not mean causation.

Who said it did?

Providence does not work that way.

[BillyBobUSA]

What don't I get? I told you so's generally do come after the warning is proven out.
We have been warned by Christians that your god is just and that bad things happen to bad people, we've also had it explained to us by the same Christians that people like this are evil by the nature of what they do. Lo and behold here is someone pointing a bad thing that happened to someone they believe to be a bad person.

God sends rain on the bad as well as the good.

But He saves the particularly poignant suffering for those who harm His children.

No one mocks God for long.


How is this not a I told you so again?

Because it is not. It is an observation.

An 'I told you so' would require someone going to Bud and telling him that, not merely posting something on the internet.

Unless of course you think that everything is all about you personally.

Well, it is not.

[BillyBobUSA]

I have to wonder what kind of doctor makes it his life's ambition to open a chain of abortion mills. That's just depraved.


And disgusting and vile.

[Old_Mil]

Correlation does not mean causation.

It does not. Neither does it disprove causation.

Am I willing to say that this plane crash was the will of God? No. That would be above my pay grade.

I have to wonder about the motivation of those who are outraged at the thought it was, however.

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.

[BillyBobUSA]

It does not. Neither does it disprove causation.

Am I willing to say that this plane crash was the will of God? No. That would be above my pay grade.

I understand and agree with your point, however, in a sense everything is the Will of God, except sin, no?


I have to wonder about the motivation of those who are outraged at the thought it was, however.

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.

Again, I agree with you.

God help us all in these dark times.

[LouC]

Why?

I am sure the Caananites and Amalekites had little babies too; dont you?

Because that is my opinion.

Duh...

[ThrowCop]

God is just.I know my God is...

Your god sounds like a bit of a ****.

[Pudge]

How is that lunacy?

Because none of his kids or grandkids were performing abortions, why should they be killed in order for God to exact justice on Feldkamp?

We fought the Second World War to end a set of brutal regimes and protect our innocent children. To do so we had to kill MILLIONS of the children of the aggressor nations.

We're not God. Shouldn't God have a bit finer aim?

That is how it is with God as well. Those who slaughter His children will pay for it; sometimes in this life as well as the next one.

Well, except God, I guess. He can slaughter innocent children all he wants, right?

There is no lunacy to it at all, and if you had read anything out of the Bible at all you would realise this.

Oh, believe me, I've read and studied the Bible, and I am all too aware that God has sanctioned and commanded genocide and murdered innocents. I just love how you and some of your fellow Christians get your Old Testament on and start applauding the deaths of innocent children when you think it's God punishing the wicked. Lunacy and hypocrisy, you won't hold God to the same standard you hold an abortionist to.

[Sketch]

AGain, you dont seem to have a grasp of the obvious.




Who said it did?

Providence does not work that way.


You said it did:

It tells us that you have difficulty grasping obvious corelations.

In fact my observation that eating rice gives rise to dark hair has a much higher correlation than abortion doctors and aircrashes.

[BillyBobUSA]

Because that is my opinion.

Duh...


It is true because it is your opinion?
OK.....

[BillyBobUSA]

I know my God is...

Your god sounds like a bit of a ****.


Your lack of humility is impressive, to judge God.

Now my God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as described in the Bible. He ordered the slaughter of the Amalekites and the Caananites, destroyed most of humanity at one time with a great disaster and followed that with ten plagues on Egypt later.

What God do you worship?

[AutoRacer55]

Your lack of humility is impressive, to judge God.

Now my God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as described in the Bible. He ordered the slaughter of the Amalekites and the Caananites, destroyed most of humanity at one time with a great disaster and followed that with ten plagues on Egypt later.

What God do you worship?

The one that said "Love your enemy"

Jesus.

[BillyBobUSA]

Because none of his kids or grandkids were performing abortions, why should they be killed in order for God to exact justice on Feldkamp?

Because God is sparing their souls from later corruption. What you see as their death is God being merciful to them in a way that only He can judge.


We're not God.

Obviously.

Kudos.

Shouldn't God have a bit finer aim?

No, no more than those who are evil should have a finer aim. Bud didnt set up policies to double check of his victims had fully informed their parents or significant others. Many fathers have lost their children and grand parents their grandchildren due to Buds poor aim.

Grea sin creats great consequence.

Well, except God, I guess. He can slaughter innocent children all he wants, right?

Yes, because the eternal perspective is His, not ours.

What you view as the end of these children is their real beginning in the next life as pure children of God.


Oh, believe me, I've read and studied the Bible, and I am all too aware that God has sanctioned and commanded genocide and murdered innocents.

And so you think that the children of an abortionist should be spared when the children of Sodom and Gamorah were not?


I just love how you and some of your fellow Christians get your Old Testament on and start applauding the deaths of innocent children when you think it's God punishing the wicked.

Why do you assume that I am applauding the death of this mans children?

I nevr truly understood this untill I had my own children. I swear, you can tell them over and over not to do some things and they do them anyway. And when you see them hurt by the consequences of their disobedience, you dont feel the least bit triumphant.

When the child touches the stove's burner, you dont tell the child 'I told you so.' You want to weep along with them, and perhaps you do.

But you end the experience by reasserting, 'Dont touch the stove burner!'

Bud has been all over that burner but his conscience is too scorched to feel his loss till now, perhaps. I feel awful for his children and grandchildren, but not him.

And I observe that God is Just.

Lunacy and hypocrisy, you won't hold God to the same standard you hold an abortionist to.

Becasue God is omniscient, omnibenevolent and has perfect wisdom to judge these things while no human does.

We have been told to not take human life except in very specific circumstances primarily centered around self-defense or the defense of others.

This man took life for vile profit and no more.

God does not do that and you have NO moral basis to judge Him even if He did.

[BillyBobUSA]

The one that said "Love your enemy"

Jesus.


And that Jesus is the same person of the Trinity that ordered Saul to lose his throne for failing to kill every Amalekite, man, woman and child.

How do you reconcile the two together?

Or do you even bother?

God is not best described by a Sunday morning cartoon.

He is a lot deeper than that.

Also, it is useful to note that when Jesus said this, about loving ones enemies, He was speaking in the context of Isreal, ie ones brother in the faith; not about heathen. We are still obligated to be just with the heathen, but we do not have to be long suffering at all.

[BillyBobUSA]

You said it did:

No, I did not.


In fact my observation that eating rice gives rise to dark hair has a much higher correlation than abortion doctors and aircrashes.

Except that there is no rational connection between eating rice and having dark hair, many who do not have dark hair have been observed to eat rice with no change in hair color and you know as well as I do that you are simply being a sarcastic mocker once again.

This aircrash was not caused by God; He simply allowed it to happen for a higher purpose.

And providential guidance is never a cause of an event. It simply works at an invisible mysterious level to bring defeat to the powerful, mercy to the repentant, and victory to the weak.

If you were half as driven to understand as you are to mock you would perhaps grasp that.

But you dont care to understand, nor to comprehend Truth; you assume that if there is such a thing as Truth then you already grasp it, if you bother to even think about it.

[Sketch]

Except that there is no rational connection between eating rice and having dark hair...

but somehow you see a rational connection between what some guy did for a living and the accidental death of some of his family.

my point - is that correlation does not mean causation – it’s a common fallacy. And when there is a correlation – a juicy one – like when an evil abortionist looses his son or daughter (even though his children were adults) people will jump all over it - and its stupid.

[BillyBobUSA]

but somehow you see a rational connection between what some guy did for a living and the accidental death of some of his family.

Yes, I do as has many others.


my point - is that correlation does not mean causation – it’s a common fallacy.

Why do you assume that I am unaware of this?

:D


And when there is a correlation – a juicy one – like when an evil abortionist looses his son or daughter (even though his children were adults) people will jump all over it - and its stupid.

It is not stupid simply because you do not understand it.

[Sketch]

Yes, I do as has many others.




Why do you assume that I am unaware of this?

:D




It is not stupid simply because you do not understand it.I understand it – it’s simple, and not just in the most obvious sense.

People die in accidents all the time – every day. I know of a couple who lost their 4-year-old daughter in a car accident several years ago, and I’m sure you know lots of people who have met with tragedy too. Accidents happen. The fact that this man owned abortion clinics is a coincidence – just like dark hair and eating rice. I understand the desire for this to be meaningful, especially if you don’t like the idea of abortion (I don’t either).

[BillyBobUSA]

I understand it – it’s simple, and not just in the most obvious sense.

No, you do not.

You think you do, but if you did then you would not be objecting in the inadequate way that you do.

Every rebuttal you make merely confirms to a person of faith that you speak about what you do not know about.


People die in accidents all the time – every day. I know of a couple who lost their 4-year-old daughter in a car accident several years ago, and I’m sure you know lots of people who have met with tragedy too. Accidents happen. The fact that this man owned abortion clinics is a coincidence – just like dark hair and eating rice. I understand the desire for this to be meaningful, especially if you don’t like the idea of abortion (I don’t either).

I have lived 51 years now and I have seen things that are too unlikely to be mere coincidence. Others older than I may think that such has not occured intheir lives, but I think they were not paying attention. I have seen this kind of thing again and again back when I didnt believe God worked that way at all.

Some child crawls on his knees to the groto in the cave at Lourdes and is healed of his paralysis. A person prays to God for 15 years to live long enough to see all her children graduate high school then dies within a week of her youngests graduation. A car wreck avoided where there simply was not the physical space for such a thing to happen, etc etc. God moves in mysterious ways I no longer doubt having seen it myself.

But He does guide events as He has to protect Isreal to this day, and to give almost all the Earth to Christianity and Islam.

And it is a wonderful thing.

[Sketch]

No, you do not.

You think you do, but if you did then you would not be objecting in the inadequate way that you do.

Every rebuttal you make merely confirms to a person of faith that you speak about what you do not know about.




I have lived 51 years now and I have seen things that are too unlikely to be mere coincidence. Others older than I may think that such has not occured intheir lives, but I think they were not paying attention. I have seen this kind of thing again and again back when I didnt believe God worked that way at all.

Some child crawls on his knees to the groto in the cave at Lourdes and is healed of his paralysis. A person prays to God for 15 years to live long enough to see all her children graduate high school then dies within a week of her youngests graduation. A car wreck avoided where there simply was not the physical space for such a thing to happen, etc etc. God moves in mysterious ways I no longer doubt having seen it myself.

But He does guide events as He has to protect Isreal to this day, and to give almost all the Earth to Christianity and Islam.

And it is a wonderful thing.
I understand there are lots of veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who have suffered the loss of legs and arms. Do you suppose a trip to Lourdes might be worthwhile in regrowing the limbs of these American heros?

[BillyBobUSA]

I understand there are lots of veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who have suffered the loss of legs and arms. Do you suppose a trip to Lourdes might be worthwhile in regrowing the limbs of these American heros?


No as these are not the result of natural maladies which are more typical of what one sees cured at Lourdes.

Once more, you demonstrate your lack of knowledge of what you claim to understand yet again.

[neoINDIE]

So God murdered these children in an effort to show "Bud" Feldkamp, and the rest of the world, the evils of murdering children?

Maybe God didn't have his coffee that morning and was having a bad day.

[Haplo]

This thread just confirms to me that I need to take a break from this board. I'm getting disgusted too easily at my fellow guests and the the feeling that perhaps I should quit the board altogether.

But that would be a victory for them, however small.

[Sketch]

No as these are not the result of natural maladies which are more typical of what one sees cured at Lourdes.

Once more, you demonstrate your lack of knowledge of what you claim to understand yet again.

Oh, so there have been people born without arms or legs that have been cured there?

[BillyBobUSA]

Oh, so there have been people born without arms or legs that have been cured there?

lol

No, but there have been people crippled from birth who have been healed there.

[angelicmadrigal]

God is just.

Says you.

[angelicmadrigal]

I understand there are lots of veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who have suffered the loss of legs and arms. Do you suppose a trip to Lourdes might be worthwhile in regrowing the limbs of these American heros?

I wouldn't waste the money personally, as it's a crap shoot. There is no garauntee involved, or even a reasonable expectation of success.

[angelicmadrigal]

NOt to mention I'd beleive that the plane was sabotaged by anti-abortion whackadoos before I would beleive the "god did it" story.

Because there are sane and normal people that are antiabortion, and their are some people with a screwed up sense of morality taht are anti-abortion.

[LouC]

It is true because it is your opinion?
OK.....

Another one with reading and comprehension deficit disorder trying to put things into my posts.

[BillyBobUSA]

Another one with reading and comprehension deficit disorder trying to put things into my posts.

I'm sorry.

Maybe we can try this again.

Why do you think that God could not have let these children die?

[Sketch]

lol

No, but there have been people crippled from birth who have been healed there.

So god doesn't grant a regenerative miracle for a worthy young man or woman who lost a leg in violence - seems unjust to squander such wonders on lizards and starfish.

[BillyBobUSA]

NOt to mention I'd beleive that the plane was sabotaged by anti-abortion whackadoos before I would beleive the "god did it" story.

Gosh, you just about single-handidly PROVED BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT THAT GOD MUST HAVE DONE IT!

Please, tell me you do stock market predictions as well?

I think I could make a mint investing opposite to what you would advise.

Because there are sane and normal people that are antiabortion, and their are some people with a screwed up sense of morality taht are anti-abortion.

Gosh, like any other group of people?

That is so....tolerant of you.

:lol:

[BillyBobUSA]

Says you.


Says the Bible, Islam, Christianity, judaism, Sikhism, and the vast majority of people on this planet.

But yeah, everyone else is out of step but the looney-tunes atheists and people that dont give a ****.

[LouC]

I'm sorry.

Maybe we can try this again.

Why do you think that God could not have let these children die?

I didn't.

[Old_Mil]

Says the Bible, Islam, Christianity, judaism, Sikhism, and the vast majority of people on this planet.

But yeah, everyone else is out of step but the looney-tunes atheists and people that dont give a ****.

This thread proves to me that we're closer to being a country of 300 million little gods than ever.

[brouski]

How very Goebelsian.

I'd say your god has had a hand in killing more kids than Feldkamp could ever dream of.

Good job, ace.

[Forever Vigilant]

Yes, my condolences on the loss of your friend.

Itis a shame that the evil we do so often completely overshadows the many other good thigns we might also do in life.

I am sure your freind appreciates your loyalty and support richly.




Yeah, thats the thing about murder; it just overshadows all the other little things that people do that is so cool about them.




I hope that your sadness is shortlived and your family is uplifted once again.

Please pardon me if I do not share that feeling towards Bud Feldkamp.

OK Billy Bob, I get your point. I'm 54 and have seen my share of mircles too. However, the fact that our society has made it alright to have an abortion, you are targeting the wrong person. You as well as I can see the degridation of our society and it is not getting any better. We are no longer shamed for loose behavior. We hear it on the nightly news of "Sexting". Every generation slips furthure into the abiss as parents become more disconnected from their children. Our society is moving further and further away from god, and towards the gold.

That Bud Feldkamp provides a service is sad, but that girls seem to think they need it in the first place is even sadder. God, either real or contrived, is still our best defence against evil conducted by man. Shame plays a roll in our behavior, and shame, is slowely being removed from our society. You are targeting the result of an abses, rather than the abses. The abses is the lack of shame.

Unfortunately our own christian leaders provide the fuel in their shameless behavior as proof to those who question God. They cannot distinguish between gods word and mans free will and behavior. And in their quest to be rightous, overzelous christians say and do things that contradict the word of god, therefore adding to the mistrust.

We are all gods children, he does not love one above the other no matter what. We are all free to choose him or turn away, but you are not the judge and jury in his place.

[Chucky]

....
I do see a couple of problems in the story. The pilot had logged over "2000 Miles"?? What's that in hours, 20 or so? Pilots log air time, not air miles and 2000 miles wouldn't even qualify for frequent flier discounts. ...
Yeah, I found another STORY (http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090325/A_NEWS/903250340)with the detail "...pilot, 65-year-old Bud Summerfield, was an Air Force flying veteran with more 8,500 hours of civilian flying experience...."

Perhaps it was supposed to say 2,000 hours in that plane, or possibly 2,000 military sorties.

Whether coincidence or karma, definitely a tragedy.

[Pudge]

Because God is sparing their souls from later corruption. What you see as their death is God being merciful to them in a way that only He can judge.

So that's how you rationalize your God killing innocent children?

No, no more than those who are evil should have a finer aim.

Not a question of good or evil, but of justice. If God is capable of exacting punishment on the wicked, why would he choose to kill the children for the sins of the father?

Bud didnt set up policies to double check of his victims had fully informed their parents or significant others. Many fathers have lost their children and grand parents their grandchildren due to Buds poor aim.

And Bud is still alive and free to keep doing it. Who knows, maybe his grandkids would have grown up to close his abortion mills or become believers and fighters for God.

Grea sin creats great consequence.

If that's what you believe, but innocents paying the consequence for someone else's sins is monstrous and unjust.

What you view as the end of these children is their real beginning in the next life as pure children of God.

What you view as a suicide bombing is not the end of a terrorist but the beginning of his eternal life in paradise with Allah and 72 virgins.

See where that goes?

And so you think that the children of an abortionist should be spared when the children of Sodom and Gamorah were not?

It's not what I think in regards to who your god should spare. What matters is that your god is a tyrannical monster who has continually demanded the blood of innocents in retribution for the sins of mankind including his very own son. I'm glad I don't worship that bloodthirsty deity.

Why do you assume that I am applauding the death of this mans children?

Because you are saying thinks like "God is sparing their souls from later corruption. What you see as their death is God being merciful to them" and "What you view as the end of these children is their real beginning in the next life as pure children of God".

I nevr truly understood this untill I had my own children. I swear, you can tell them over and over not to do some things and they do them anyway. And when you see them hurt by the consequences of their disobedience, you dont feel the least bit triumphant.

But these children were killed, according to some, for the disobedience and sins of their father and grandfather. That would be like God killing your child in punishment for some sin you committed.

When the child touches the stove's burner, you dont tell the child 'I told you so.' You want to weep along with them, and perhaps you do.

But you end the experience by reasserting, 'Dont touch the stove burner!'

Bud has been all over that burner but his conscience is too scorched to feel his loss till now, perhaps. I feel awful for his children and grandchildren, but not him.

Again, this is lunacy. You are rationalizing a God who murders innocent children to get a message across to someone else.

And I observe that God is Just.

No, a just god would punish the sinner directly, not murder innocents close to the sinner.

God does not do that and you have NO moral basis to judge Him even if He did.

The hell I don't.

[jimjames418]

So God murdered these children in an effort to show "Bud" Feldkamp, and the rest of the world, the evils of murdering children?
You mean like:

2 Kings 2 (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2kg/2.html)
(2:23-24) "Go up thou bald head" God sends two bears to rip up 42 little children for making fun of Elisha's bald head.

[Dreamy]

No one on Earth can make any connections between this plane crash and God's intervention or will.

[troy]

More religous wacko ********. Celebrating the killing of children as payback for killing children doesn't seem to fit the "Christian" value system I've been told so much about. No human is in the position to make judgement or profess this is actually an act of god.