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Chuangtzu
March 17th, 2009, 6:36 pm
"...Ben Bernanke used a false analogy already popularized by President Obama in his quasi-State of the Union Speech. He likened the financial sector to a house burning down – fair enough, as it is destroying property values, leading to foreclosures, abandonments, stripping (for copper wire and anything else recoverable) and certainly a devastation of value. The problem with this analogy was just where this building was situated, and its relationship to “other houses” (e.g., the rest of the economy).

Mr. Bernanke asked what people should do if an irresponsible smoker let his bed catch fire so that the house burned down. Should the neighbor say, “it’s his fault, let the house burn”? That would threaten the whole neighborhood with fire, Mr. Bernanke explained. The implication, he spelled out, was that economic recovery required a strong banking and financial system. And this is just what he said: The economy cannot recover without yet more credit and debt. And that in turn requires trillions and trillions of dollars given by “the neighbors” to the bad irresponsible man who burned down his own house. This is where the analogy goes seriously off track.

But watching “60 Minutes,” my wife said to me, “That’s just what Mr. Obama said the other night. What do they do – have a meeting and agree on what metaphor to popularize?” They seem to have an image that will lock Americans into supporting a policy even though they don’t like it and many feel like letting the financial house (A.I.G., Citibank, and Bank of America/Countrywide) burn down.

What’s false about this analogy? For starters, banking houses are not in the same neighborhood where most people live. They’re the castle on the hill, lording it over the town below. They can burn down and leave the hilltop revert “back to nature” rather than having the whole down gaze up at a temple of money that keeps them in debt.

More to the point is the false analogy with U.S. policy. In effect, the Treasury and Fed are not “putting out a fire.” They’re taking over houses that have not burned down, throwing out their homeowners and occupants, and turning the property over to the culprits who “burned down their own house.” The government is not playing the role of fireman. “Putting out the fire” would be writing off the debts of the economy – the debts that are “burning it down.”

To Mr. Bernanke the “solution” to the debt problem is to get the banks lending again. He’s spreading the debt-fire. The government is to lend the “threatened neighbors” enough money so that credit customers of the financial “house on the hill” can to pay it the stipulated interest charges they owe. It is not burning down at all; the neighborhood’s money (in this case, tax money) is being burned up.

Mr. Bernanke explained to the Sunday evening audience that his policy aimed at helping the economy return to “normalcy.” Fully in line with what Mr. Paulson was saying last summer, “normalcy” is defined as a new exponential growth in the volume of debt. He talked about “sustainable” recovery. But “the magic of compound interest” is not sustainable. It’s all a false metaphor.

Mr. Bernanke then left the realm of metaphor altogether to give an outright false explanation of the balance of payments and the upcoming Gang of 20 meetings in Europe. On Friday, China’s premier expressed worry over the health of the American economy, in which China had recycled nearly $2 trillion of its dollar inflows in order to prevent the yuan from rising in price against the dollar. The fear is that despite this heavy recycling of dollars by foreign central banks, the U.S. exchange rate will still weaken as the trade balance continues unabated and, just as seriously, U.S. military spending keeps on pumping dollars into the world economy as war spreads eastward from Iraq to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The way Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke explained the problem on CBS, America had to keep its markets attractive to “Chinese savers.” The image being conjured up again and again is that there is a world “savings surplus.” That is supposed to be what flooded the large U.S. banks and Wall Street with so much money that they were obliged to move it into riskier and riskier investments. “They made us do it” was the message not quite spelled out.

One would think that Mr. Bernanke knows nothing at all about the balance of payments or how the global monetary system works. Here’s what really has been happening. The U.S. economy itself pumps “savings” into foreign central banks by spending abroad on military bases. (60 Minutes showed robot fork-lift machines moving around $40-million loads of U.S. currency through the New York Federal Reserve Bank the way that similar machines have been doing in Iraq to buy off local supporters and political groups.) U.S. consumers likewise buy more than the country is exporting. When these surplus dollars are turned over to foreign banks for domestic currency, the banks turn them over to the central bank – which has a problem.

Remember when an earlier U.S. Secretary, John Connolly, said “It’s our deficit, but their problem”? He meant that the U.S. was spending funds (at that time mainly in Southeast Asia) that ended up in foreign central banks, which faced a dilemma: If they let “the market” handle these dollars, their own currency would rise. That would threaten to price their exports out of world markets, and hence would cause domestic unemployment. So foreign governments chose to recycle their dollar inflows by keeping them in dollars – mainly in U.S. Treasury bills and then, when the supply began to run out, in federal agency securities such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

So the “fire” in the international sphere was the U.S. military-spending deficit and trade deficit. This doesn’t have much to do with Chinese consumers saving too much. Central banks were doing the quasi-saving, by being stuck with surplus U.S. dollars like a hot potato. But one rarely hears public officials mention the nation’s military deficit. It is as if foreign saving comes first, then a “market-based” decision to place these in the U.S. economy, “the engine of world growth.” What actually comes first is the U.S. balance-of-payments deficit, pumping surplus dollars into the economy – which foreign central banks find themselves obliged to recycle within the dollar sphere...

As for the surplus credit that Wall Street lent out, it is created out of thin air. At least Mr. Bernanke was clear about this, when he explained that the Fed “creates deposits” for its member banks just as these banks “create deposits” for their own customers at a stroke of the computer keyboard.

The bottom line is that the American public is being fed a carefully crafted mythology (no doubt “market tested” on “response groups” to see which images fly best) to mislead the American public into misunderstanding the nature of today’s financial problem – to mislead it in such a way that today’s policies will make sense and gain voter support.

But this mythology is based on false analogies, not economic reality. It is designed to make Wall Street appear as a savior, not an arsonist – and to depict the Fed and Treasury as protecting the welfare of American citizens by shoveling billions of dollars at the banks whose gambles have caused the crisis.

While Mr. Bernanke’s “60 Minutes” interview was being broadcast, the government was releasing the counterparties on the winning side of the Wall Street casino in bets that A.I.G. lost. To deflect the widespread voter disapproval of giving $160 billion to A.I.G., the Treasury finally released the names of the “counterparties” who ended up with the funds A.I.G. paid out to winning betters. Confirming rumors that had been circulating for the past few months, Mr. Paulson’s own company, Goldman Sachs, headed the list at $13 billion! Followed by Merrill Lynch ($7 billion), Bank of America ($5 billion), Citigroup ($23 billion and the much-loathed junk-mortgage lender Wachovia ($1.5 billion). So as Treasury Secretary, Mr. Paulson turns out to have represented not the U.S. interest but that of his own firm and its Wall Street neighbors.

These neighbors were given U.S. Treasury bonds in “cash for trash” transactions. The rest of the economy will be paying interest on this debt for a century to come. This is what causes “debt deflation.” Revenue is diverted from spending on goods and services to pay interest and taxes. So the Treasury is spreading the fire, not putting it out..."

http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson03172009.html

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Agree? Disagree?

Oddball
March 17th, 2009, 6:40 pm
Agree that both Beavis Bernanke and Barry Obutthead are incompetent boobs??

Undoubtedly.

huh-huh-huh.....FIRE!!!

rckirby
March 17th, 2009, 6:42 pm
Is that really you Chang?

Chuangtzu
March 17th, 2009, 6:46 pm
Is that really you Chang?

No Changs here.

jmb6
March 17th, 2009, 6:47 pm
Very good. Thanks for that explanation. Summarized and gave validity to my thoughts on what really happened. Distribution of wealth from the poor (the US Taxpayers) to the wealthy bankers. i.e. Paulson, Geithner, Bernanke, Rubin, etc.

Scary part is, we are getting the taxes taken away from us, and then, we borrow that money from them and then pay it back with interest.

Disgraceful.

Chuangtzu
March 17th, 2009, 6:50 pm
Very good. Thanks for that explanation. Summarized and gave validity to my thoughts on what really happened. Distribution of wealth from the poor (the US Taxpayers) to the wealthy bankers. i.e. Paulson, Geithner, Bernanke, Rubin, etc.

Scary part is, we are getting the taxes taken away from us, and then, we borrow that money from them and then pay it back with interest.

Disgraceful.

I think that's the whole point of the racket (although, from the vantage of those deep in the gravity wells of power, it probably goes by a different name): to inflate a new credit bubble.

But credit for major lenders is debt for everyone else. Debt we finance, on both ends.

Oddball
March 17th, 2009, 6:50 pm
Very good. Thanks for that explanation. Summarized and gave validity to my thoughts on what really happened. Distribution of wealth from the poor (the US Taxpayers) to the wealthy bankers. i.e. Paulson, Geithner, Bernanke, Rubin, etc.

Scary part is, we are getting the taxes taken away from us, and then, we borrow that money from them and then pay it back with interest.

Disgraceful.
Been happening since 1913, dude.

http://www.realityzone.com/creature.html

http://www.spielbauer.com/JekyllDownload.htm

spinach
March 17th, 2009, 6:51 pm
I disagree that "military spending" is the cause for the debt.

the main cause of debt is social programs, entitlements, and these idiotic bailouts.

the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, by dollar amount, do not even compare.

Bernanke is indeed an idiot, and using the entirely wrong model to address this mess. He and the liberal idiots in charge are wrecking this nations economy, and are guaranteeing that we collapse--
and quite possibly are going to start a war with China, over Tbill debt.

Chuangtzu
March 17th, 2009, 6:51 pm
And while I'm not an agorist - they have the right of it, when it comes to the monster that is the LLC.

Chuangtzu
March 17th, 2009, 6:53 pm
I disagree that "military spending" is the cause for the debt.

I'm not suggesting it's a simple either/or. Neither is the author, Hudson.

the main cause of debt is social programs, entitlements, and these idiotic bailouts.

The percentages just don't add up to support this contention, possum.

the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, by dollar amount, do not even compare.

Iraq has been expensive.

Bernanke is indeed an idiot, and using the entirely wrong model to address this mess. He and the liberal idiots in charge are wrecking this nations economy, and are guaranteeing that we collapse--
and quite possibly are going to start a war with China, over Tbill debt.

This isn't a liberal problem. It isn't a conservative problem. It's a power problem.

spinach
March 17th, 2009, 6:54 pm
I think that's the whole point of the racket (although, from the vantage of those deep in the gravity wells of power, it probably goes by a different name): to inflate a new credit bubble.

But credit for major lenders is debt for everyone else. Debt we finance, on both ends.


this is the means that Bernanke has chosen, to stop 'deflation'. He is terrified of deflation, and is using the idiotic notion that printing titanic amounts of money can stop deflation.

that would only be true, if the velocity of money was high enough to create an inflationary mechanism. It is NOT. All of the money he prints and loans out, is not being loaned by the banks, to anyone-- the banks sit on it, period. Thus, the more money he prints, the LOWER the velocity of money goes, and the closer we come to spiral deflation.
At some point, no matter what he does, he no longer has any effect.

And at that point the nation enters a deflationary spiral, and dies in a matter of months

Oddball
March 17th, 2009, 6:56 pm
I disagree that "military spending" is the cause for the debt.

the main cause of debt is social programs, entitlements, and these idiotic bailouts.

the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, by dollar amount, do not even compare.

Bernanke is indeed an idiot, and using the entirely wrong model to address this mess. He and the liberal idiots in charge are wrecking this nations economy, and are guaranteeing that we collapse--
and quite possibly are going to start a war with China, over Tbill debt.The cause of the debt is FRN fiat money.....Period.

spinach
March 17th, 2009, 6:58 pm
This isn't a liberal problem. It isn't a conservative problem. It's a power problem.

it is a liberal problem.

liberals control the congress, and have been the ones messing with the economy in the first place, causing the credit bubble.

in addition, they are the ones who have been in charge of all the bailouts, and all the spending since 2006.

liberal owned, period.

spinach
March 17th, 2009, 7:00 pm
The cause of the debt is FRN fiat money.....Period.


well, fiat money is guaranteed to cause problems.


the nation would be WISE, after the collapse, to go back to a metal standard, either silver or gold.

BasicGreatGuy
March 17th, 2009, 7:05 pm
The cause of the debt is FRN fiat money.....Period.

I wouldn't say it is 100% of it. But, in my opinion, it is 90% of it.

BasicGreatGuy
March 17th, 2009, 7:06 pm
I'm not suggesting it's a simple either/or. Neither is the author, Hudson.



The percentages just don't add up to support this contention, possum.



Iraq has been expensive.



This isn't a liberal problem. It isn't a conservative problem. It's a power problem.
This is a "We The People" problem.

BasicGreatGuy
March 17th, 2009, 7:07 pm
As far as I am concerned, Hudson is spot on.

Cav Scout
March 17th, 2009, 7:11 pm
I agree, the treasury is spreading the fire, I also agree with odd ball, its time to go back to a standard backed monetary system.

BasicGreatGuy
March 17th, 2009, 7:15 pm
I agree, the treasury is spreading the fire, I also agree with odd ball, its time to go back to a standard backed monetary system.

Radical talk Cav. :razz: What books have you been reading lately? :think:

spinach
March 17th, 2009, 7:16 pm
I agree, the treasury is spreading the fire, I also agree with odd ball, its time to go back to a standard backed monetary system.

at every level, the government has completely incompetent people in charge. This nation cannot withstand this tsunami of idiocy that is being forced upon it by the liberals, and Bernanke the doofus.

Cav Scout
March 17th, 2009, 7:29 pm
Radical talk Cav. :razz: What books have you been reading lately? :think:

James Masison: A bioraphy.

By, Ketchum written in 71.

Radical? Who me?

:))

Cav Scout
March 17th, 2009, 7:30 pm
at every level, the government has completely incompetent people in charge. This nation cannot withstand this tsunami of idiocy that is being forced upon it by the liberals, and Bernanke the doofus.

Agreed.

BasicGreatGuy
March 17th, 2009, 7:33 pm
James Masison: A bioraphy.

By, Ketchum written in 71.

Radical? Who me?

:))

Haven't seen you take that position before. I agree by the way.

As to the book, it is good, if you don't mind the dry spots. Ketchum is an excellent writer.

DemOkie
March 17th, 2009, 7:40 pm
Oatmeal, anyone? By the way, if the dollar does fail completely, who's going to force the gas station to accept my debit card? Maybe there won't be any gas. Can you imagine our society without gas? There will have to be some form of martial law, won't there?

spinach
March 17th, 2009, 7:45 pm
Oatmeal, anyone? By the way, if the dollar does fail completely, who's going to force the gas station to accept my debit card? Maybe there won't be any gas. Can you imagine our society without gas? There will have to be some form of martial law, won't there?

When collapse becomes imminent, you will see hoarding like crazy.
You will see gun battles all over the place, over goods.
Rioting, and chaos, and shortly after that, state and national martial law.

I think the power hungry liberals are going to bring about martial law, and cite "the danger of collapse" as their reason. And at that point, kiss talk radio, and hannity forum goodbye.

and at that point, the liberal idiots that voted for this current filth need to cheer as their freedoms are gone for good.