Raise Livestock? Be on the Lookout for Professional Loser

[Joeybear23]

A recent HBO special about a failed animal cruelty case against a pig farmer in Wooster, Ohio, has raised my ears a bit.

Newspaper article:
http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/judge-clears-wayne-county-hog-farmers-employee-of-most-charges/818.html

Some animal rights loser, who went by the name of John Knoldt in the film and had recently changed his name from Chris Parrett, approached pig farmer Ken Wiles asking for a job. Of course he presented himself as a guy named "Pete" because coward cockroaches like him have to hide.

He proceeds to film daily life as he "works" for six weeks on the Wiles farm, and all he gets out of it was a downed pig being hung (which is neither cruel nor torture) and some piglets being tossed into separating bins.

What HBO omitted was the fact that even the prosecution's expert witness admitted that the animals were well taken care of on the farm, and that there really is no easy, economical or painless means of euthanizing a downed full grown pig. Hanging (asphyxiation) is faster and less cruel than the recommended practice of carbon dioxide poisoning, and is safer than using a firearm.

Pete aka John Knoldt aka Chris Parrett showed up in court with a fake mustache and beard, because he was too cowardly to face the men he was trying to put in prison or out of business, and came out upset that he now has to "change his name again" in order to keep doing what he does for a living: Lying in court for money. Yes, he is on the payroll of the HFA, a known anti-farming animal rights group not so cleverly disguised by their name "Humane Farming Association," and he has gone undercover to bring up false charges at least 7 times. He was perturbed to find out that the local newspaper dared to publish both his fake names as well as his real name.

At the end of the special, of course, the real agenda is leaked. "If everyone really got to know these animals, they'd never want to eat them."

Watch out, America, this loser is mad and on the loose and wants to do it again to try and expose hard-working Americans for the crime of feeding our people.

Yes, Chris Parrett aka John Knoldt aka Pete, YOU ARE A LOSER!!!
That is a name you will never be able to change.

[Joeybear23]

...the "animals first" nuts really tick me off.

[Greyclouds]

Carbon dioxide poisoning is also the mandated "ethical" euthanization of laboratory mice, but it is FAR from "quick."

Some of the people who make the ethical rules for animal euthanization simply do it out of pure political motivations. Cervical dislocation (disclaimer: I'm not saying that Universities do not conform to federal guidelines for the euthanization of animal subjects) is far faster and painless to the animal if done properly.

[spearmaster]

A recent HBO special about a failed animal cruelty case against a pig farmer in Wooster, Ohio, has raised my ears a bit.

Newspaper article:
http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/judge-clears-wayne-county-hog-farmers-employee-of-most-charges/818.html

Some animal rights loser, who went by the name of John Knoldt in the film and had recently changed his name from Chris Parrett, approached pig farmer Ken Wiles asking for a job. Of course he presented himself as a guy named "Pete" because coward cockroaches like him have to hide.

He proceeds to film daily life as he "works" for six weeks on the Wiles farm, and all he gets out of it was a downed pig being hung (which is neither cruel nor torture) and some piglets being tossed into separating bins.

What HBO omitted was the fact that even the prosecution's expert witness admitted that the animals were well taken care of on the farm, and that there really is no easy, economical or painless means of euthanizing a downed full grown pig. Hanging (asphyxiation) is faster and less cruel than the recommended practice of carbon dioxide poisoning, and is safer than using a firearm.

Pete aka John Knoldt aka Chris Parrett showed up in court with a fake mustache and beard, because he was too cowardly to face the men he was trying to put in prison or out of business, and came out upset that he now has to "change his name again" in order to keep doing what he does for a living: Lying in court for money. Yes, he is on the payroll of the HFA, a known anti-farming animal rights group not so cleverly disguised by their name "Humane Farming Association," and he has gone undercover to bring up false charges at least 7 times. He was perturbed to find out that the local newspaper dared to publish both his fake names as well as his real name.

At the end of the special, of course, the real agenda is leaked. "If everyone really got to know these animals, they'd never want to eat them."

Watch out, America, this loser is mad and on the loose and wants to do it again to try and expose hard-working Americans for the crime of feeding our people.

Yes, Chris Parrett aka John Knoldt aka Pete, YOU ARE A LOSER!!!
That is a name you will never be able to change.

Holy hell! My grandpa used to raise pigs to slaughter and I remember even back then I can wait until they appear on my plate in the form of bacon. :drool:

These stupid animal rights whack jobs need to learn pigs are useless for anything other than eating. And they need to learn they're hurting the economy when they pull stupid stunts like this.

[Joeybear23]

Carbon dioxide poisoning is also the mandated "ethical" euthanization of laboratory mice, but it is FAR from "quick."

Some of the people who make the ethical rules for animal euthanization simply do it out of pure political motivations. Cervical dislocation (disclaimer: I'm not saying that Universities do not conform to federal guidelines for the euthanization of animal subjects) is far faster and painless to the animal if done properly.

Blunt force trauma and using a firearm are also "recommended" methods. The problem is, when you have a full grown boar (larger than most men) the skull is so thick that often the first blow or shot only sends the animal into an uncontrollable state, which is painful for the animal and extremely dangerous for the worker. Chemical euthanization is also not instantaneous unless you are using an extremely expensive neurotoxin.

For a full grown downed pig, hanging is the most effective and economical method of euthanization.

[Joeybear23]

Holy hell! My grandpa used to raise pigs to slaughter and I remember even back then I can wait until they appear on my plate in the form of bacon. :drool:

These stupid animal rights whack jobs need to learn pigs are useless for anything other than eating. And they need to learn they're hurting the economy when they pull stupid stunts like this.

Now, if there really was torture and cruelty going on, I would be in favor of shutting them down.

But here we have a PETA-type hippy with no background in animal husbandry coming in and being offended by what happens in the normal operation of a livestock farm, and trying to shut it down becaus eit isn't pretty. Newsflash! What goes on in any and all livestock operations would offend and disturb 98% of all people. Most people don't have the stomach to watch or even know what happens before your burger or bacon hits your plate. But ratioanl people understand that it is necessary.

[WackyRuSs]

Chris is no loser. He is one of the most devoted and driven person I have ever known. I had the pleasure of working with him at a no-kill shelter early on when he first got the animal rights bug. He is an extremely compassionate guy that loves dogs, cats, and all other walks of life. We also worked together and saved all kinds of varmits from an untimely death including rats that infested the place. Many-a-night we would set live traps and relocate the rats to the woods. I have very fond memories of these nighttime escapades! Most people would simply have exterminated them all or bashed them in with bricks and other blunt objects lying around. No! Not Chris! He would claim that rats have the same range of emotions that humans do. That and the fact that they are also mammals and that is why they are inhumanely studied in labs- they are similar to humans in those regards.

At least he is trying to make the world a better place for our fellow lifeforms. Do not get me wrong- I enjoy ham and bacon as much as the next guy. However, I do not support and never will support torture of animals. There are little or no laws governing animal cruelty in regards to agricultural livestock. Yes it is Chris's ultimate goal to put an end to meat eating in general. Though that may be far off in the future, however, his efforts today are a start in the right direction. Animal Rights is this generation's Civil Rights Movement. Chris is not a loser. He's a stand up guy that will not look the other way while torture and injustice prevail.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Nothing your "friend" did in this documentary exposed the things you claim to crusade against, therefore he failed at it, and put a innocent pig farmer through hell for personal gain.

Hang your head in shame.

[Joeybear23]

Chris is no loser. [inane banter removed]

Wrong.
Chris Perrett IS a loser.

[WackyRuSs]

Wrong.
Chris Perrett IS a loser.

You probably think folks like Martin Luther King, Jr., César Chávez, John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Leonard Peltier are "losers" so your statement bears no weight.

Anyway, what do YOU do to make the world a better place? Or are you like the masses who use it, abuse it, and do not care about your own planet and the lifeforms therein?

[JimGP20]

You probably think folks like Martin Luther King, Jr., César Chávez, John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Leonard Peltier are "losers" so your statement bears no weight.


It must bear some weight, otherwise, you wouldn't feel compelled to comment on it.

[WackyRuSs]

Judging from your photo of a unborn child you are opposed to death and suffering.

Other than their inability to speak, pigs are quite intelligent animals. Why is is cruel to kill an unborn fetus that isn't even self aware yet baby piglets must be tortured on factory farms?

[WackyRuSs]

It must bear some weight, otherwise, you wouldn't feel compelled to comment on it.

I was compelled to respond to that particular statement to expose its weightlessness. Zero gravity whatsoever!

[Joeybear23]

You probably think folks like Martin Luther King, Jr., César Chávez, John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Leonard Peltier are "losers" so your statement bears no weight.

Anyway, what do YOU do to make the world a better place? Or are you like the masses who use it, abuse it, and do not care about your own planet and the lifeforms therein.

Oh that hurts my feelings. :((

I think it's hilarious that you and people like you compare morons like Chris Perrett to such huge historical features.

Chris Perrett will go down in history as an utter failure in life who leaves his family to make $12K a year by lying and misleading others while "infiltrating" the businesses of real hard-working Americans and trying to shut them down out of shear jealousy of success.

On second thought, I take that back. Chris Perret will NOT go down in history as anything. He will be forgotten, leaving no mark whatsoever on anyone or anything.

[Ex_Spy_Guy]

Judging from your photo of a unborn child you are opposed to death and suffering.

Other than their inability to speak, pigs are quite intelligent animals. Why is is cruel to kill an unborn fetus that isn't even self aware yet baby piglets must be tortured on factory farms?

Bacon tastes good....pork chops taste good.

[Joeybear23]

Judging from your photo of a unborn child you are opposed to death and suffering.

Other than their inability to speak, pigs are quite intelligent animals. Why is is cruel to kill an unborn fetus that isn't even self aware yet baby piglets must be tortured on factory farms?

Wat happened on that farm was determined NOT torture.
And I find it more disturbing that you are now equating pigs with people, yet you admit you love ham and bacon...

[JimGP20]

Wat happened on that farm was determined NOT torture.
And I find it more disturbing that you are now equating pigs with people, yet you admit you love ham and bacon...


LOL.... soylent pink ?? :))

[FidelisAdMortem]

I never had the pleasure of tasting baby bacon, however I have had pork belly, ie bacon and I like it.

[WackyRuSs]

Oh that hurts my feelings. :((

I think it's hilarious that you and people like you compare morons like Chris Perrett to such huge historical features.

Chris Perrett will go down in history as an utter failure in life who leaves his family to make $12K a year by lying and misleading others while "infiltrating" the businesses of real hard-working Americans and trying to shut them down out of shear jealousy of success.

On second thought, I take that back. Chris Perret will NOT go down in history as anything. He will be forgotten, leaving no mark whatsoever on anyone or anything.


Chris obviously doesn't care about money. He has devoted his life to a cause and is in no way jealous of anyone. I know him personally and can vouch for that. He won't be forgotten. He's just getting started. He already has two docs on HBO and we'll be seeing great things from him in the near future. You just watch and see.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Chris obviously doesn't care about money. He has devoted his life to a cause and is in no way jealous of anyone. I know him personally and can vouch for that. He won't be forgotten. He's just getting started. He already has two docs on HBO and we'll be seeing great things from him in the near future. You just watch and see.

Well so far he proved nothing with the pig farmer, that went nowhere.

So for your and his sake I hope he does something better, b/c at that rate, its pretty lackluster.

[WackyRuSs]

Wat happened on that farm was determined NOT torture.
And I find it more disturbing that you are now equating pigs with people, yet you admit you love ham and bacon...

If you have ever spent time with animals you would know that animals such as pigs can be loving, cruel, sad, mad, glad, and have similar range of emotions as people.

I'm not equating pigs with people and I do consume bacon and ham even though I probably shouldn't because its unhealthy anyway. All I am saying they should be treated as humanely as possible. However this is where the paradox begins- is it even possible to humanely treat animals that you will ultimately kill for food?

Chris's docs may not solve this paradox, but at least it makes us think. That's more than I can say about other movies and schlop that HBO flings at us :)

[Joeybear23]

Chris obviously doesn't care about money. He has devoted his life to a cause and is in no way jealous of anyone. I know him personally and can vouch for that. He won't be forgotten. He's just getting started. He already has two docs on HBO and we'll be seeing great things from him in the near future. You just watch and see.

He's a second-rate hack who whores himself out to fringe groups like HFA so he can try to make honest hard-working Americans feel as miserable and pathetic as he is, and if I knew him personally I wouldn't be bragging about it.

[Joeybear23]

If you have ever spent time with animals you would know that animals such as pigs can be loving, cruel, sad, mad, glad, and have similar range of emotions as people.

I am a firm believer in treating livestock humanely.
I raise my own beef cattle, and have three large dairies for neighbors.
I know a thing or two about livestock.

There is no paradox. Livestock is intended for human consumption as it should be, and that will not change, no matter how many losers like Chris Perrett abandon their families to make more lives miserable.

[drylok]

The trouble with these folks is they worship the created rather than the creator.

[TinCan]

Chris obviously doesn't care about money. He has devoted his life to a cause and is in no way jealous of anyone. I know him personally and can vouch for that. He won't be forgotten. He's just getting started. He already has two docs on HBO and we'll be seeing great things from him in the near future. You just watch and see.

You may be right in that he will attain the heights of stardom of the likes of Al Gore and Michael Moore but as far as I can see, he's a real low life that is more about himself than his self-proscribed "mission."

[Joeybear23]

I think this Wacky-dude may actually BE this Chris Perrett punk.

[jimjames418]

Chris obviously doesn't care about money. He has devoted his life to a cause and is in no way jealous of anyone. I know him personally and can vouch for that. He won't be forgotten. He's just getting started. He already has two docs on HBO and we'll be seeing great things from him in the near future. You just watch and see.
Yeah, he may be as famous as William B. Hazen. :))

[The Girl from Ipanema]

Blunt force trauma and using a firearm are also "recommended" methods. The problem is, when you have a full grown boar (larger than most men) the skull is so thick that often the first blow or shot only sends the animal into an uncontrollable state, which is painful for the animal and extremely dangerous for the worker. Chemical euthanization is also not instantaneous unless you are using an extremely expensive neurotoxin.

For a full grown downed pig, hanging is the most effective and economical method of euthanization.

I don't think that I want to eat meat from animals that were chemically euthanized... Is any of the chemical residual in the meat? :sick:

[Joeybear23]

I don't think that I want to eat meat from animals that were chemically euthanized... Is any of the chemical residual in the meat? :sick:

Fortunately, responsible farmers/ranchers don't get downed animals (diseased or otherwise fatally injured) butchered. It is risky.

A few years ago one of my 1800 lb steers got into some johnson grass and got pneumonia and died. Since it's just a small family herd, we couldn't afford to have it hauled off, so we had to burn it on teh spot. That's a good 1000-1200 lbs of beef that we lost, but you just don't eat a diseased animal.

And no, you DEFINTELY do not use chemicals to kill an animal for slaughter.

One interesting thing about this whole fraud of an "expose" was that there was no charge of cruelty in the slaughter. They just found the way a downed sow was euthanized because of disease or injury or something. They completely omit the fact that euthanizing the sow was in fact the HUMANE thing to do, rather than let it die the slow, painful death that downed animals left alone will suffer.

Also, the neck bone of a full grown pig is similar to that of a calf: it is so thick that it's own weight is not enough to cause it to break. Thus hanging it is not only a method of asphyxiation (suffocation) but it also cuts off bloodflow to the brain which causes brain death before normal suffocation alone can, thus decreasing suffering.

[The Girl from Ipanema]

Aaaahhh, ok. Chemicals are only used for sick ones that aren't for food. Whew!

[BillyBobUSA]

Chris is no loser. He is one of the most devoted and driven person I have ever known. I had the pleasure of working with him at a no-kill shelter early on when he first got the animal rights bug. He is an extremely compassionate guy that loves dogs, cats, and all other walks of life. We also worked together and saved all kinds of varmits from an untimely death including rats that infested the place. Many-a-night we would set live traps and relocate the rats to the woods. I have very fond memories of these nighttime escapades! Most people would simply have exterminated them all or bashed them in with bricks and other blunt objects lying around. No! Not Chris! He would claim that rats have the same range of emotions that humans do. That and the fact that they are also mammals and that is why they are inhumanely studied in labs- they are similar to humans in those regards.

At least he is trying to make the world a better place for our fellow lifeforms. Do not get me wrong- I enjoy ham and bacon as much as the next guy. However, I do not support and never will support torture of animals. There are little or no laws governing animal cruelty in regards to agricultural livestock. Yes it is Chris's ultimate goal to put an end to meat eating in general. Though that may be far off in the future, however, his efforts today are a start in the right direction. Animal Rights is this generation's Civil Rights Movement. Chris is not a loser. He's a stand up guy that will not look the other way while torture and injustice prevail.


:lol:

That was hilarious.

Did one of the mods pose here as an animal rights wacko just for the laughs?

[BillyBobUSA]

The trouble with these folks is they worship the created rather than the creator.


Bingo.

St Paul described this known cycle to degeneracy in the first chapter of the book of Romans.

It applies even to modern Americans in the Twenty-first century.

Imagine that.

[birddog1]

Judging from your photo of a unborn child you are opposed to death and suffering.

Other than their inability to speak, pigs are quite intelligent animals. Why is is cruel to kill an unborn fetus that isn't even self aware yet baby piglets must be tortured on factory farms?

The idea that animals are routinely tortured on "factory farms" is idiotic!!!!! The fact is that most farmers take pride in raising healthy animals and wouldn't be cruel in the first place, secondly causing stress to livestock is counter productive and would cost them significant money.

So in summary it is just more lies put out by the animal rights extremist.

[rhet 2]

Stupid romantic FOOLS who refuse to grow up and deal with reality.

Educated on Walt Disney cartoons, their heads full of myths, they haven't got clue one.

Anyone who has ever dealt with a full grown pig knows that Charlotte's Web is a TOTAL LIE. Grown pigs can be very vicious, very dangerous, to each other as well as to humans dumb enough to get in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Controlling to prevent natural savagery toward each other and even their own piglets is a big part of raising them for market.

"Pete" is a TOTAL INFANT who refuses to grow up, demanding that the entire universe change to fit his Never Never Land Peter Pan imaginary world.

"Natural" can be as brutal, cruel, and savage as brutal, cruel and savage ever gets.

And controlling "natural" to PREVENT the NATURAL SAVAGERY is the entire focus of livestock management, from preventing NATURAL starvation and NATURAL destructive violence toward each other to preventing overgrazing and the spread of hell-born diseases that can wipe out entire herds in a matter of days to preventing Kill or Be Killed situations from ever developing in the first place.

[jimjames418]

Judging from your photo of a unborn child you are opposed to death and suffering.

Other than their inability to speak, pigs are quite intelligent animals. Why is is cruel to kill an unborn fetus that isn't even self aware yet baby piglets must be tortured on factory farms?
If the baby piglets were not seperated from their mom at birth, most of them would be eaten by her for dinner. I have seen that happen many times.

If you had two brain cells to rub against each other you might be able to learn something. :twisted:

[rhet 2]

If the baby piglets were not seperated from their mom at birth, most of them would be eaten by her for dinner. I have seen that happen many times.

If you had two brain cells to rub against each other you might be able to learn something. :twisted:

Animals are NOT by nature kind, gentle, sweet little darlings -- they need training just as much and more than even human children to tame their wild and destructive natural instincts into far less destructive behaviors.

Anyone who's ever raised even dogs and cats knows that Walt Disney cartoons are the exact opposite of reality.

[birddog1]

If the baby piglets were not seperated from their mom at birth, most of them would be eaten by her for dinner. I have seen that happen many times.

If you had two brain cells to rub against each other you might be able to learn something. :twisted:

I have heard protein is very important for brain development. Is it a real surprise that animal rights extremist arguments are so retarded?

[Joeybear23]

I have heard protein is very important for brain development. Is it a real surprise that animal rights extremist arguments are so retarded?

That explains a lot...

[F9thRet]

LOL, at the timing of this post.

My father in law has came down to spend Summer at Ranch Stephen. He came in around 10 Monday night.

Well, at 5am he came outside where I was piddling around doing my daily stuff, and told me, to go butcher a hog. well, I have no domestic pigs here, but I handed him the 7mm mag, and told him follow me.

We went out quite a ways on my property where there is valleys and cricks flowing through. Sure enough, we found a boar within half an hour. Took it down, and then spent the rest of the morning butchering it.

He then decided he wanted a chicken coop built so I through one together for him (although I loathe Chicken).

This is going to be a great Summer I think.

Joey, my friend, I find ignoring those animal idiots are the best medicine. Otherwise, I wind up wishing for a farm accident to overcome them, and that's just not right.

Stephen

[Ardathair]

Chris is no loser. He is one of the most devoted and driven person I have ever known. I had the pleasure of working with him at a no-kill shelter early on when he first got the animal rights bug. He is an extremely compassionate guy that loves dogs, cats, and all other walks of life. We also worked together and saved all kinds of varmits from an untimely death including rats that infested the place. Many-a-night we would set live traps and relocate the rats to the woods. I have very fond memories of these nighttime escapades! Most people would simply have exterminated them all or bashed them in with bricks and other blunt objects lying around. No! Not Chris! He would claim that rats have the same range of emotions that humans do. That and the fact that they are also mammals and that is why they are inhumanely studied in labs- they are similar to humans in those regards.

At least he is trying to make the world a better place for our fellow lifeforms. Do not get me wrong- I enjoy ham and bacon as much as the next guy. However, I do not support and never will support torture of animals. There are little or no laws governing animal cruelty in regards to agricultural livestock. Yes it is Chris's ultimate goal to put an end to meat eating in general. Though that may be far off in the future, however, his efforts today are a start in the right direction. Animal Rights is this generation's Civil Rights Movement. Chris is not a loser. He's a stand up guy that will not look the other way while torture and injustice prevail.

If he were pointing out real cruelty you would have a point, but he didn't. Instead he assumes that all livestock is treated cruely and goes after farmers who are doing nothing wrong, making false accusations with no evidence to support him as well as making frivolous law suits against decent people.

[Ardathair]

This guy probably wouldn't look twice at someone who owned dozens of dogs, he just has a vendetta against farmers. People like Michael Vic and his former crowd doesn't have to worry about groups like this because they own so many pets they must be animal lovers. :rolleyes:

[BillyBobUSA]

Stupid romantic FOOLS who refuse to grow up and deal with reality.

Educated on Walt Disney cartoons, their heads full of myths, they haven't got clue one.

Anyone who has ever dealt with a full grown pig knows that Charlotte's Web is a TOTAL LIE. Grown pigs can be very vicious, very dangerous, to each other as well as to humans dumb enough to get in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Controlling to prevent natural savagery toward each other and even their own piglets is a big part of raising them for market.

"Pete" is a TOTAL INFANT who refuses to grow up, demanding that the entire universe change to fit his Never Never Land Peter Pan imaginary world.

"Natural" can be as brutal, cruel, and savage as brutal, cruel and savage ever gets.

And controlling "natural" to PREVENT the NATURAL SAVAGERY is the entire focus of livestock management, from preventing NATURAL starvation and NATURAL destructive violence toward each other to preventing overgrazing and the spread of hell-born diseases that can wipe out entire herds in a matter of days to preventing Kill or Be Killed situations from ever developing in the first place.


Well said.

I could not agree more.

[rhet 2]

If he were pointing out real cruelty you would have a point, but he didn't. Instead he assumes that all livestock is treated cruely and goes after farmers who are doing nothing wrong, making false accusations with no evidence to support him as well as making frivolous law suits against decent people.


He's also, at one and the same time, making it IMPOSSIBLE to feed people, dogs, cats, and KIDS a healthy and nourishing diet that people other than the extremely wealthy can actually afford.

And all because he romanticizes pigs and cows and chickens into something THEY ARE NOT, never were, and never can become, little imitation human beings.

Pigs ARE NOT puppies and kittens -- nor are bears, wolves, moose, deer, elk, goats, sheep, coyotes, squirrels, skunks, pheasants, ducks, geese, trout, tuna fish, etc.etc.etc.

He IGNORES the basic natural configuration of the animals, making them into romanticized HUMAN BEINGS in a grotesque form of anthropomorphism dangerous as hell the the animals, deadly to balanced environmentalism that MUST CONTROL Dear Old VICIOUS AND BRUTAL Mother Nature, and harmful as hell to real human beings, all at the same time.

Dogs are dogs with their own unique, special properties -- and they need to be RESPECTED as dogs, not imitation human beings, and given those living conditions that maximize their positive potentialities and minimize their destructive potentialities in a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

Ditto porkers -- another UNIQUE creature with UNIQUE properties VERY DIFFERENT than those of dogs -- requiring a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT where men and women who know what the hell a pig REALLY is control to prevent destruction and maximize benefits.

This jerk is the kind of freaked out romantic that causes bird flu epidemics and malaria epidemics and ends up costing thousands of animal and human deaths every year BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO RESPECT EACH CREATURE AS A UNIQUE SET OF PROPERTIES WITH UNIQUE POTENTIALITIES and obstinately refuses to control the environment to prevent destructive factors while maximizing potentialities.

In short, he's a damned romantic fool with huge emotional hyper-drive, with zero brains and even less RESPECT for other creatures, including his own species. :wall:

I've known dogs who felt guilty over anti-social behaviors. Anybody ever see a porker who felt guilty for savaging a human being or another porker? Pigs do NOT have the capacity for imaginative interaction with even their own species, much less others. Never met one with the capacity for affection and loyalty, either.

[BillyBobUSA]

He's also, at one and the same time, making it IMPOSSIBLE to feed people, dogs, cats, and KIDS a healthy and nourishing diet that people other than the extremely wealthy can actually afford.

And all because he romanticizes pigs and cows and chickens into something THEY ARE NOT, never were, and never can become, little imitation human beings.

Pigs ARE NOT puppies and kittens -- nor are bears, wolves, moose, deer, elk, goats, sheep, coyotes, squirrels, skunks, pheasants, ducks, geese, trout, tuna fish, etc.etc.etc.

He IGNORES the basic natural configuration of the animals, making them into romanticized HUMAN BEINGS in a grotesque form of anthropomorphism dangerous as hell the the animals, deadly to balanced environmentalism that MUST CONTROL Dear Old VICIOUS AND BRUTAL Mother Nature, and harmful as hell to real human beings, all at the same time.

Dogs are dogs with their own unique, special properties -- and they need to be RESPECTED as dogs, not imitation human beings, and given those living conditions that maximize their positive potentialities and minimize their destructive potentialities in a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

Ditto porkers -- another UNIQUE creature with UNIQUE properties VERY DIFFERENT than those of dogs -- requiring a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT where men and women who know what the hell a pig REALLY is control to prevent destruction and maximize benefits.

This jerk is the kind of freaked out romantic that causes bird flu epidemics and malaria epidemics and ends up costing thousands of animal and human deaths every year BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO RESPECT EACH CREATURE AS A UNIQUE SET OF PROPERTIES WITH UNIQUE POTENTIALITIES and obstinately refuses to control the environment to prevent destructive factors while maximizing potentialities.

In short, he's a damned romantic fool with huge emotional hyper-drive, with zero brains and even less RESPECT for other creatures, including his own species. :wall:

I've known dogs who felt guilty over anti-social behaviors. Anybody ever see a porker who felt guilty for savaging a human being or another porker? Pigs do NOT have the capacity for imaginative interaction with even their own species, much less others. Never met one with the capacity for affection and loyalty, either.


Man, Rhet, you are on a roll today!

:clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[waynevan]

Chris is no loser. He is one of the most devoted and driven person I have ever known. I had the pleasure of working with him at a no-kill shelter early on when he first got the animal rights bug. He is an extremely compassionate guy that loves dogs, cats, and all other walks of life. We also worked together and saved all kinds of varmits from an untimely death including rats that infested the place. Many-a-night we would set live traps and relocate the rats to the woods. I have very fond memories of these nighttime escapades! Most people would simply have exterminated them all or bashed them in with bricks and other blunt objects lying around. No! Not Chris! He would claim that rats have the same range of emotions that humans do. That and the fact that they are also mammals and that is why they are inhumanely studied in labs- they are similar to humans in those regards.

At least he is trying to make the world a better place for our fellow lifeforms. Do not get me wrong- I enjoy ham and bacon as much as the next guy. However, I do not support and never will support torture of animals. There are little or no laws governing animal cruelty in regards to agricultural livestock. Yes it is Chris's ultimate goal to put an end to meat eating in general. Though that may be far off in the future, however, his efforts today are a start in the right direction. Animal Rights is this generation's Civil Rights Movement. Chris is not a loser. He's a stand up guy that will not look the other way while torture and injustice prevail.

He is a LOSER. Those rats probably went on to someone's home and spread some disease to a child. Actions have CONSEQUENCES.

Rats are disgusting creatures and were instrumental in killing half the population of Europe during the black plague. To this day they spread disease throughout the world. About the only thing they are good for is laboratories and as food items for birds of prey.

[BillyBobUSA]

He is a LOSER. Those rats probably went on to someone's home and spread some disease to a child. Actions have CONSEQUENCES.

That should be obvious to anyone with a brain, but it still needs to be explained to some.

Ever feel like you are practicing psychiatry when you answer someone?


Rats are disgusting creatures and were instrumental in killing half the population of Europe during the black plague. To this day they spread disease throughout the world. About the only thing they are good for is laboratories and as food items for birds of prey.

Except for Mickey Mouse!

There are many rats on TV and movies that do not spread disease and that should count too!

/sarcasm

These people are idiots, confusing their childhood entertainment shows with reality.

It is a shame that people have to endure this kind of thing.

Almost makes me want to see a return of the art of dueling.

[Darkblade]

beef is yummy! pork is yummy! chcicken rabbits and kittens is yummy. i like penguins too. tastes like chicken.

[Darkblade]

ducklings are adorable ...deep fried and lightly seasoned!

[Darkblade]

yeah and that guy is a worthless loser schmuck and so are the braindead twits that defend his misanthropic sociopathic actions.

[CnyJames]

I remember my grandparents raising pigs when I was a little boy. I remember how they would wallow in manure and slop. I recall they would take the pig out doors and grandpa would take a knife and cut their throat and the pigs would run until they bleed out. Then they would put them in a large kettle of boiling water to lossen the hair.
I watched the HBO movie by Pete. And I'm very surprise how clean the hogs were. There wasn't any manure on any of the pig that I saw. So thanks Pete for opening my eyes, because for Easter, I'm going to buy three hams. One for Easter and the others because I now have a better outlook on the sanitary conditions pigs are raised in ! As for rats. I poison them with RAT POISON.

[rhet 2]

I remember my grandparents raising pigs when I was a little boy. I remember how they would wallow in manure and slop. I recall they would take the pig out doors and grandpa would take a knife and cut their throat and the pigs would run until they bleed out. Then they would put them in a large kettle of boiling water to lossen the hair.
I watched the HBO movie by Pete. And I'm very surprise how clean the hogs were. There wasn't any manure on any of the pig that I saw. So thanks Pete for opening my eyes, because for Easter, I'm going to buy three hams. One for Easter and the others because I now have a better outlook on the sanitary conditions pigs are raised in ! As for rats. I poison them with RAT POISON.

My dad and granddad kept their pigs clean -- daily hose down with me on the other end of the line, pumping the pump handle as hard as I could -- and it was HARD -- we kids weren't allowed in the pens -- the risk of being attacked was too high -- they used a bullet to the brain and then a hoist to hang from a strong mesquite tree limb.

And cruelty to any animal -- unnecessary pain and fear for fun -- that would have gotten beaten to within an inch of our lives.

And one of our jobs was to locate animal nests and mark them so the wildlife manager could watch it and people knew to stay away and not disturb the whatevers unless they were too close to the house and had to be relocated -- TO PREVENT HARM TO THE WILDLIFE.

Knuckleheads that have never actually LIVED with Mother Nature have no business commenting about what they don't understand and DO NOT APPRECIATE.

Ever see Bambi during rutting season? Or see what Bambi's mom can do to the garden in a single night, if she jumps the fence, wiping out an entire year's food for the family? Or a rabid coyote or skunk?

DEADLY stuff happens -- and we were raised to KNOW that CONTROLLING to prevent UNNECESSARY destruction was our job, our only way to survive. And sometimes the only way to stop the destruction is to remove the potential destroyers before they go on a rampage.

Havalina pigs, for example -- their ancestors escaped, live wild. Wild, destructive, deadly, especially when they overbreed their natural food supplies and begin to invade human habitats.

Mice, cockroaches and termites are also living creatures -- so are bacteria, fleas, and ticks -- and spiders. I would not advise trying to cohabitate with them.

[Creefer]

I got news for these people...we're animals too, and we need to eat. I'm not apologizing to anyone for our spot on top of the food chain. If any of them would like to voluntarily move themselves farther down the food chain, feel free. Me, I like my position on the top of it just fine, thank you.

[i8uwithalime]

Your the looser! How do you like that! Maybe you should get hung!:clap:

[Darkblade]

...Moo!

[dannyg79]

I got news for these people...we're animals too, and we need to eat. I'm not apologizing to anyone for our spot on top of the food chain. If any of them would like to voluntarily move themselves farther down the food chain, feel free. Me, I like my position on the top of it just fine, thank you.

I dont think most people, including most vegetarians, have a problem with people killing animals for food. They just want it done in the most humane way possible. I dont really have an issue with that. Now, I dont know about this guy or this story, so I am not defending him or condemning him. But I do think that animal rights activists are often times unfairly judged, because people dont understand their reasonings. Even PETA overall I think is a good organization, but the few nutjobs that are part of it give the whole organization a bad name.

[Panhead0422]

Snipped quote.

Other than their inability to speak, pigs are quite intelligent animals. Why is is cruel to kill an unborn fetus that isn't even self aware yet baby piglets must be tortured on factory farms?


May I presume that you believe FACTORY FARMS are a business? (news flash: farming is a business)

I will make the presumption that you are not a businessman.

A businessman does not deliberately take actions that will decrease the value of the product that he or she is selling. Torture and maltreatment of the animals decreases the value of those commodities. Please engage your brain before engaging your voice or keyboard.

[Panhead0422]

Chris obviously doesn't care about money. He has devoted his life to a cause and is in no way jealous of anyone. I know him personally and can vouch for that. He won't be forgotten. He's just getting started. He already has two docs on HBO and we'll be seeing great things from him in the near future. You just watch and see.

I am betting that his picture is going to appear on post office walls around the nation like the pictures of the ELF, PETA and other domestic terrorists being sought by law enforcement nationwide. (I named only a couple of the domestic ecowacko organizations)

[Joeybear23]

Your the looser! How do you like that! Maybe you should get hung!:clap:

:rolleyes:

I won't even point out how you can't spell "loser" properly...

Wait, I just did. :doh:

[Joeybear23]

May I presume that you believe FACTORY FARMS are a business? (news flash: farming is a business)

I will make the presumption that you are not a businessman.

A businessman does not deliberately take actions that will decrease the value of the product that he or she is selling. Torture and maltreatment of the animals decreases the value of those commodities. Please engage your brain before engaging your voice or keyboard.

Even my kids understand that we are raising little Jose (our bull calf, soon to be steer calf) with kindness and love so that he can have as pleasant and stress-free a life as possible before we eat him. The more stress cattle go through, the less value they have. (i.e. the beef is not as good).

[Joeybear23]

What the morons who defend this loser do not underastand is that his ENTIRE CASE rests on the assumption that hanging a full-sized, downed sow is "inhumane" or "torture". That assumption is far from fact. Actually, asphyxiation is the preferred method of euthanizing a full grown pig, because other methods are less consistently effective, and can potentially cause much longer trauma to the dying animal.

Let's look at the options:

1. Chemical injection: a nerve agent is injected into the muscle tissue where it enters the blood stream, slows down the heart and denies oxygen to the brain. This is not as shocking to watch, because the slowed heart keeps the animal from being able to writhe around, but there is no evidence that the animal feels any different than any other method of denying oxygen to the brain. This is very expensive, and a downed animal may have to wait days before a vet can come onsite to administer the injection, thus it may be in pain for a long time while waiting for the "humane" method of euthanasia.

2. Carbon Dioxide Poisoning: The animal is suffocated by not allowing it to breathe oxygen. This is a very slow method of euthanasia, because there is still oxygen in the blood flowing to the brain even though no new oxygen is being inhaled. An argument can be made that this more traumatic for the animal because it takes much longer for the animal to die.

3. Firearm: An attempt is made and shooting the animal at the base of the head in order to destroy the brain stem. This is very dangerous for the worker and can be very painful for the animal since it is very common fo rthe first shot to miss its mark and seriously wond the animal, which then begins to lash out uncontrollably, which can hurt the worker. Also a ricochet of the bullet also puts the worker in danger. This type of euthanasia is best kept in the movies.

4. Hanging: a rope is tied around the animal's neck and it is lifted from the ground, allowing its own weight to cause the blood flow and oxygen to be cut off from the brain. This is shocking to watch, because the animal's muscles are still able to function, and the animal will writhe around even several minutes after death, but there is no evidence to suggest it is mor eor less painful or traumatic for the animal than any other method of asphyxiation.

5. Do Nothing: most downed animals wll eventually die on their own. Leave it for several days and just haul off the carcass later. This is very unsanitary and cruel, but it is the method intended by Mother Nature, for those naturalists out there.

Clearly, the best methods are 1 and 4, with 4 being the most humane, since a downed animal can quickly be hung onsite without having to schedule a vet.

[troy]

My wife and I raise a couple pigs every year and trade meat with friends who raise cows. That guy wouldn't make it on the front porch. We also have a sign at the beginning of our driveway that reads "You Are Now In Range". Last year the names of our pigs were Osama Pig Laden and Charlotte. Any suggestions for names this year?

[Joeybear23]

.. Any suggestions for names this year?

Brack Forest oHAMa

[Joeybear23]

Wow, I am getting an amazing hatemail response to my blog by detractors from all over the internet.

http://joeybear23.blogspot.com/2009/03/raise-livestock-be-on-lookout-for-this.html

Of course I won't publish these comments, since my blog isn't a sounding board for morons and idiots.

But I will post them here...

[Joeybear23]

I believe you are the true loser considering you state your 'opinions' via this forum. "Pete" was not masquerading so as not to face up to whatand who he uncovered, but to remain incognito for future investigations. Yes, there are others who share the views of the HFA and producers of "Death..." Just because you don't share those views doesn't make you right. Some people might actually respect the life of those animals that become food. Remember, I didn't label you a loser for your beliefs, but for you cowardice in posting your views in such a benign forum.

:))

This guy didn't even watch the show he's defending...

[Joeybear23]

I have seen the Knoldt footage and I have to say that people seem to want to either put the focus on the economic business of producing food, or the outrageous idea that some people would step up as an advocate of a produce animal.

At no point have I heard anyone on this issue (except Knoldt and the HFA) try and give light to the issue of the ethical treatment of animals. No one said the animals shouldn't be eaten, or that the business of producing live-stock as food for human consumption should end. The point is that regardless of if they are going to become food or not, how they are treated in the process counts.

Not offering an animal food, water, proper veterinary care, or humane euthanasia because it isn't cost effective, or the animal is going to die anyway, is an out-rage. The Wiles farm absolutely abused their stock and treated them with callous disregard: not as a life to be respected, but a bottom line: income. Income that doesn't have feelings or feel pain, and is not regarded as a life to be treated with concern.

However, I have less of an issue with the farmers who carry on these practices than I do the legislation in states that allow it, and lazy, apathetic, consumers who allow it go on with no moral compass what-so-ever. We don't have to see it, so it doesn't matter. Let someone else deal with it, and be responsible for it.

Mr. Knoldt should be commended, regardless of his current legal name, for the work that he does. Someone HAS to stand up where most of us would rather ignore how our food is brought to our plates. I eat meat, but I do not approve of my meat being tortured before I eat it. I alone can do nothing. I am no animal rights activist. I am a human being capable of understanding that all life has value. There is no economic, or even reasonable, justification for the way these animals were treated.

:((