This is a PROM invitation??????? [Archive]

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 3:07 pm

Hmm... obviously in poor taste (depending on the demographics of the student body).

What would you like us to do about it though? Isn't this still covered under freedom of speech?

While it has supposed demonic imagery, it really isnt proselytizing people to join another faith.

Did you see the picture of the woman in the red dress with the word "Lust" at the bottom? For a junior prom???????? You can't be that obtuse. This is disgusting.

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 3:08 pm

Is the prom a school-sponsored event?

Yes, indeed it is.

Mimiheart

March 16th, 2009, 3:15 pm

Yes, indeed it is.Weird. Different schools/school districts usually have different policies regarding themes. I would have thought that a school-sponsored one would have had to go through administration to be supported like that. I also have never heard of after-prom parties being supported events. Those were always smaller things that happened at people's houses.

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 3:25 pm

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 3:32 pm

bump for the disturbing prom invitation.

cowboy

March 16th, 2009, 3:34 pm

Hmmm....sounds like a fun time.

Mimiheart

March 16th, 2009, 3:35 pm

No reason to bump in a forum as slow as this one.

Dancer

March 16th, 2009, 3:41 pm

Weird. Different schools/school districts usually have different policies regarding themes. I would have thought that a school-sponsored one would have had to go through administration to be supported like that. I also have never heard of after-prom parties being supported events. Those were always smaller things that happened at people's houses.
Schools have started sponsoring after prom party lock ins to cut down on drunk driving problems. It has become a common practice in my area to have a 'lock in' until breakfast the next day. Parents in the class and the school usually work together with SADD to sponsor them.

Regarding the OP, I agree that it is tasteless and I am surprised that the administration allowed the students to advertise their prom in such a way. I am also surprised there hasn't been more of an uproar about it.

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 4:58 pm

Schools have started sponsoring after prom party lock ins to cut down on drunk driving problems. It has become a common practice in my area to have a 'lock in' until breakfast the next day. Parents in the class and the school usually work together with SADD to sponsor them.

Regarding the OP, I agree that it is tasteless and I am surprised that the administration allowed the students to advertise their prom in such a way. I am also surprised there hasn't been more of an uproar about it.

Apparently, there is quite an uproar brewing. The school administrator apologized to the student body in case any of them were offended, but he isn't changing anything. Besides the obvious issues with the invite, I think it is crass and just plain hoosier. I wouldn't spend $20K a year to send my kid there. They can get tacky for free!!!

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 4:59 pm

No reason to bump in a forum as slow as this one.

Thanks, but I think I will do what I want to do.

Dem

March 16th, 2009, 5:16 pm

I'm I the only one who finds the theme pretty neat. Except for the Pentagram, it's not that bad. The parents don't seem to have a problem with it either, since they are hosting the event.

Mimiheart

March 16th, 2009, 5:21 pm

Thanks, but I think I will do what I want to do.
I think you don't understand the purpose of bumping. There were no posts between your first post and your second one on this forum. The purpose of bumping is to keep a thread at the top. It's annoying and can be considered spamming. Do what you want, but it's rude.

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 5:58 pm

I think you don't understand the purpose of bumping. There were no posts between your first post and your second one on this forum. The purpose of bumping is to keep a thread at the top. It's annoying and can be considered spamming. Do what you want, but it's rude.

I will do as I please since it is none of your business. I think it is pretty rude to stick your nose where it doesn't belong, but that is just me.

ExDem

March 16th, 2009, 6:04 pm

I'm I the only one who finds the theme pretty neat. Except for the Pentagram, it's not that bad. The parents don't seem to have a problem with it either, since they are hosting the event.

A lot of the parents that are now seeing the invitations have a big problem with it. Most parents don't like sending their 16 year old kids to a prom that has LUST on the invitation with a picture of a woman with a tacky dress on showing half of her breasts. Many women don't like WOMEN protrayed that way, and would prefer their daughters not think that is the way women should be portrayed. Many parents don't wish to send their kids to an event that is inviting "sinners" to "sin" some more. The parents are hosting the after party, but they did not have anything to do with the theme of the prom. That was 2 kids and 2 teachers initially, but the administration did sign off on it. They just apologized to the students in case anyone was offended, but they are not changing anything. There is LOTS of outrage. Believe me.

megs280

March 16th, 2009, 6:11 pm

I swore this was a joke, but apparently it isn't. This is a prom invitation for John Borroughs School in St. Louis. This is a very prestigious school that has been in the top 25 high schools nation wide. My sister was going to send my nieces there....until now.
This is so disturbing.

http://www.kmox.com/pages/66659.php

I would protest it and if I had kids that age they would not be going. It shows a lack of respect for the beliefs of religious people who do not think sin, hell, etc. are to be mocked in this fashion and they should not have to tolerate the agenda of the group who is promoting this theme.

Usually prom themes aren't just limited to the invitations, also.

angelicmadrigal

March 16th, 2009, 8:52 pm

It's little more than an attempt to be edgy and cool, trust me, nothing real is meant by it.

roger teekell

March 16th, 2009, 9:09 pm

It's little more than an attempt to be edgy and cool, trust me, nothing real is meant by it.

It's just vile!!

That is ALL...

The part that bothers me most is that the ivitation says the Prom will be hosted by the PARENTS of the Junior Class???

If I read that right...

Disgusting realyy...

angelicmadrigal

March 16th, 2009, 11:44 pm

It's just vile!!

::chuckles::
Please. I've heard far far worse in my life. Personally, I'm amused by the whole thing. Teenagers trying to be edgy and cool, and sqaure ass adults giving in to just what they were trying to do... raise eyebrows and cause "controversy".

I've done enough freaking out the mundanes in my day to know an attempt at being shocking.

megs280

March 17th, 2009, 12:59 am

There are probably some teens who don't think the idea is cool and would prefer their prom theme did not include sin, hell, and Satan. If the prom committee follows through with the theme than it would seem logical to have satanic symbols and other decorations reflecting that theme at the prom and afterparty. Where should the line be drawn?

Religiously based themes and symbolism do not belong at the prom. Its not the group of teens who are trying to shock who are the problem here..its the adult teachers and administrators who approve of their idea and force it on the rest of the class and their parents. The teens may love the controversy but the administrators probably don't and should have been more sensitive.

BobB

March 17th, 2009, 2:47 am

The parents obviously but one cant learn common sense no matter how long you go to school! The School of White Trash!

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 12:51 pm

Did you see the picture of the woman in the red dress with the word "Lust" at the bottom? For a junior prom???????? You can't be that obtuse. This is disgusting.

Have you ever been to a prom in the past four years?

I've helped a friend dj several Junior and Senior proms in the past year, and, trust me, this invitation is TAME compared to what the kids actually DO on the dance floor.

These were private and public schools; no difference between them. To claim that the invitations were "inviting" that behavior is just like saying that the final piece of straw was the only one responsible for breaking the camel's back.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 1:54 pm

Have you ever been to a prom in the past four years?

I've helped a friend dj several Junior and Senior proms in the past year, and, trust me, this invitation is TAME compared to what the kids actually DO on the dance floor.

These were private and public schools; no difference between them. To claim that the invitations were "inviting" that behavior is just like saying that the final piece of straw was the only one responsible for breaking the camel's back.

Where did I claim the invitations were "inviting" that behavior?

Talk2Bill

March 17th, 2009, 2:05 pm

I know it is being reported as an official school event but I doubt it.

and if it is: I hope someone sues to shut it down. It is clearly a violation of the establishment clause.

Talk2Bill

March 17th, 2009, 2:10 pm

Have you ever been to a prom in the past four years?

i went to ONE 7th and 8th graders dance 11 years ago....and the way they were allowed to dance was disgusting. I suggested stopping them and the principal and other teachers laughed at me... i never went to another dance.

I've helped a friend dj several Junior and Senior proms in the past year, and, trust me, this invitation is TAME compared to what the kids actually DO on the dance floor.

and the school officials should be fired if the allow any lewd behavior to occur.

edit

To claim that the invitations were "inviting" that behavior is just like saying that the final piece of straw was the only one responsible for breaking the camel's back.

of course it is inviting it. "calling all sinners" and "let the sin being"

I hope someone sues to shut it down. But i do not believe it is school sponsored.

Talk2Bill

March 17th, 2009, 2:12 pm

oh it is a private school...

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 2:19 pm

I know it is being reported as an official school event but I doubt it.

and if it is: I hope someone sues to shut it down. It is clearly a violation of the establishment clause.

It is a school-sponsored event.

M&Mpolitcs

March 17th, 2009, 2:29 pm

Alright, some of you people really need to relax a bit. This is a PRIVATE school, meaning you're complaints mean nothing to them. It would be different if this was your son/daughter's school, but its not. With that being said, you all need to look at this for what it is, a gimmick. Its a way to appeal to their generation not yours. Let them have their fun, it is their party, their dance, their night. None of this has anything to do with you.

Now then, lets look at this from the school point of view. The student body or student council came up with the idea. Their parents then endorsed the idea and offered to sponsor the after party. With this in hand, they offered it to the school admin and then in turned approved of the theme. So now, we have students with approval of both their parents and the school for this theme. Now tell me, who do you think you are to tell them they need to change everything last minute? Just let them have their night, ok?

I will do as I please since it is none of your business. I think it is pretty rude to stick your nose where it doesn't belong, but that is just me.

Why don't you take your own advise? This is not your school or mine. Let the parents and the school admin do their jobs and you do yours; that way, everyone is happy.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 2:53 pm

Alright, some of you people really need to relax a bit. This is a PRIVATE school, meaning you're complaints mean nothing to them. It would be different if this was your son/daughter's school, but its not. With that being said, you all need to look at this for what it is, a gimmick. Its a way to appeal to their generation not yours. Let them have their fun, it is their party, their dance, their night. None of this has anything to do with you.

Now then, lets look at this from the school point of view. The student body or student council came up with the idea. Their parents then endorsed the idea and offered to sponsor the after party. With this in hand, they offered it to the school admin and then in turned approved of the theme. So now, we have students with approval of both their parents and the school for this theme. Now tell me, who do you think you are to tell them they need to change everything last minute? Just let them have their night, ok?

Why don't you take your own advise? This is not your school or mine. Let the parents and the school admin do their jobs and you do yours; that way, everyone is happy.

It is the school my nieces WERE going to go to, that is why it is my business. Two students and two teachers came up with the idea and there are many students and parents that are upset about it. The parents that sponsored the after party DID NOT approve the theme of the prom, although the invite makes it appear that they did.

M&Mpolitcs

March 17th, 2009, 3:47 pm

It is the school my nieces WERE going to go to, that is why it is my business

Yeah, but your nieces AREN'T your kids. They are your sister's children, so its your opinion and not your decision. As much as you love your nieces, the decisions will always be your sister's. Plus they were not attending the school at the time, so therefore you were still not funding the school. So its still not your business as to what those students, parents, and school admin allow to happen. If you wish to use it as an excuse to not allow your nieces to attend the school, that is your right, but do not push your morality onto the school or others. I don't push my atheist beliefs on anyone, so it is only fair to ask the same of you.

Remember the First Amendment is freedom of speech and religion. I also believe that if the invitations had been angelic in nature that you would have nothing to say about it and your nieces would be enrolled there now. It is a shame that you would so intolerant of others that are not like you. I only ask you to take it as it is, at face value. It is a gimmick, a way to sell tickets to an overpriced school dance. Its an old advertisement tactic, that sex sells and it sells well.

Two students and two teachers came up with the idea and there are many students and parents that are upset about it. The parents that sponsored the after party DID NOT approve the theme of the prom, although the invite makes it appear that they did.

Ok, I admit that in that way it is wrong. But in all honesty, it is their problem, not others nor ours. This is a private school thus makes the issue a private matter between the school/faculty and parents/students. Now had this been a public school, then I would be with you in demanding it be removed.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 3:55 pm

Yeah, but your nieces AREN'T your kids. They are your sister's children, so its your opinion and not your decision. As much as you love your nieces, the decisions will always be your sister's. Plus they were not attending the school at the time, so therefore you were still not funding the school. So its still not your business as to what those students, parents, and school admin allow to happen. If you wish to use it as an excuse to not allow your nieces to attend the school, that is your right, but do not push your morality onto the school or others. I don't push my atheist beliefs on anyone, so it is only fair to ask the same of you.

Remember the First Amendment is freedom of speech and religion. I also believe that if the invitations had been angelic in nature that you would have nothing to say about it and your nieces would be enrolled there now. It is a shame that you would so intolerant of others that are not like you. I only ask you to take it as it is, at face value. It is a gimmick, a way to sell tickets to an overpriced school dance. Its an old advertisement tactic, that sex sells and it sells well.

Ok, I admit that in that way it is wrong. But in all honesty, it is their problem, not others nor ours. This is a private school thus makes the issue a private matter between the school/faculty and parents/students. Now had this been a public school, then I would be with you in demanding it be removed.

You do not know the relationship between me and nieces at all, so you are talking out your ass. You do not know my relationship with this school at all, so you might want to choose subjects that you know something about. Where have I brought anything about religion into this??? You are the only one talking about religion. Intolerent? Typical left-----if you don't agree with everything I say then YOU are intolerent. Doesn't work here. Go sell it somewhere else. I have said this is nothing but hoosier and very offensive to women. YOU are the one talking religion.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 3:57 pm

.......Now had this been a public school, then I would be with you in demanding it be removed.

Where am I demanding anything be removed?? Do you know what reading comprehension is? You might want to look into it. I'm just saying.

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:09 pm

Where did I claim the invitations were "inviting" that behavior?

I assumed it based on the context of this post:

Did you see the picture of the woman in the red dress with the word "Lust" at the bottom? For a junior prom???????? You can't be that obtuse. This is disgusting.

Were you instead arguing over the supposedly satanic theme? Or the tackiness of the woman's dress?

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:18 pm

A lot of the parents that are now seeing the invitations have a big problem with it. Most parents don't like sending their 16 year old kids to a prom that has LUST on the invitation with a picture of a woman with a tacky dress on showing half of her breasts. Many women don't like WOMEN protrayed that way, and would prefer their daughters not think that is the way women should be portrayed. Many parents don't wish to send their kids to an event that is inviting "sinners" to "sin" some more. The parents are hosting the after party, but they did not have anything to do with the theme of the prom. That was 2 kids and 2 teachers initially, but the administration did sign off on it. They just apologized to the students in case anyone was offended, but they are not changing anything. There is LOTS of outrage. Believe me.

Ah, here we go. So you feel that the theme DOES invite the behavior?

Male and Female associated dancing has always been associated with sexual contact. Not necessarily as explicitly as it has been in modern times, but even in the Victorian era it was associated with sexual intercourse.

Having said that, the invitation is explicitly stating what we try to "politely" keep as innuendo. This is counter to our cultural desires to keep sexual contact as a private and intimate act, and it inspires more rage in people who want to protect their children from sexual knowledge.

If you were to ask the kids though... you might be surprised that they are far more candid about sexual activity than most people would like to believe. It makes sense too, considering the fact that teenagers are basically hormone factories at that age. It also doesn't help the fact that adults LOVE sexual themes and innuendo.

Really, the theme of the prom is not the issue; it's the portrayal of sexual activity in society. Hiding sex from kids, and pretending that they won't do it if we just "hint" at it, doesn't work. Also, glamorizing it doesn't prevent them from doing it. Perhaps we need to review our obsession with sexual activity and our hang-ups about it from another perspective and make clear and rational decisions on its place in our society.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 4:18 pm

I assumed it based on the context of this post:

Were you instead arguing over the supposedly satanic theme? Or the tackiness of the woman's dress?

Then you ASSumed wrong, didn't you? Read through my post and you will have your answer. However, no where will you see that I said the invitation invited any particular behavior. That was you that brought that up. Not me.

megs280

March 17th, 2009, 4:19 pm

Remember the First Amendment is freedom of speech and religion. I also believe that if the invitations had been angelic in nature that you would have nothing to say about it and your nieces would be enrolled there now. It is a shame that you would so intolerant of others that are not like you. I only ask you to take it as it is, at face value. It is a gimmick, a way to sell tickets to an overpriced school dance. Its an old advertisement tactic, that sex sells and it sells well.

I am intolerant of Satanism or even mock Satanism..I admit it. I even knew kids in high school who claimed to be Satanists and were known to sacrifice animals and have rites. Yeah maybe they were just trying to shock and be different but it doesn't mean people should tolerate that or think its all fun and games. I wouldn't want to attend an event with large Pentagram decorations on the walls. I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a nice dress and dancing with my boyfriend with Satanic imagery and mentions of how great sin is all around us and how we are in hell.

They don't need to advertize for the prom. Almost everyone wants to go.

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:20 pm

It is the school my nieces WERE going to go to, that is why it is my business. Two students and two teachers came up with the idea and there are many students and parents that are upset about it. The parents that sponsored the after party DID NOT approve the theme of the prom, although the invite makes it appear that they did.

So if the school has excellent academic credentials and programs, why wouldn't you send your nieces to it?

Do you think that this prom theme reflects upon the entirety of the school and that such an incident is unforgivable?

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:22 pm

I am intolerant of Satanism or even mock Satanism..I admit it. I even knew kids in high school who claimed to be Satanists and were known to sacrifice animals and have rites. Yeah maybe they were just trying to shock and be different but it doesn't mean people should tolerate that or think its all fun and games. I wouldn't want to attend an event with large Pentagram decorations on the walls. I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a nice dress and dancing with my boyfriend with Satanic imagery and mentions of how great sin is all around us and how we are in hell.

They don't need to advertize for the prom. Almost everyone wants to go.

You can dislike other peoples' beliefs, but the Constitution protects their rights to practice them (so long as it does not involve the destruction of another person's rights).

Legally, you must tolerate them. That doesn't mean that you can't dislike their faith.

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:24 pm

Then you ASSumed wrong, didn't you? Read through my post and you will have your answer. However, no where will you see that I said the invitation invited any particular behavior. That was you that brought that up. Not me.

I read through your OP, and found no reason why you disliked the Prom theme or Invitation, here is the text of your op:

I swore this was a joke, but apparently it isn't. This is a prom invitation for John Borroughs School in St. Louis. This is a very prestigious school that has been in the top 25 high schools nation wide. My sister was going to send my nieces there....until now.
This is so disturbing.

http://www.kmox.com/pages/66659.php

The only sign that you disproved of the invitation was in your thread title (a copious amount of "?'s") and the sentence: "this is so disturbing."

So what is your issue with the theme/invitation? Sexual glamorization? Satanic imagery? The word "lust?"

megs280

March 17th, 2009, 4:26 pm

You can dislike other peoples' beliefs, but the Constitution protects their rights to practice them (so long as it does not involve the destruction of another person's rights).

Legally, you must tolerate them. That doesn't mean that you can't dislike their faith.

Right and those beliefs (or any beliefs) don't really belong at the prom that has a mix of teens from different backgrounds.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 4:29 pm

So if the school has excellent academic credentials and programs, why wouldn't you send your nieces to it?

Do you think that this prom theme reflects upon the entirety of the school and that such an incident is unforgivable?

The handling of it has been abysmal to date. In addition, I have read many of the posts of students and alumni and have been shocked----one by the arrogance and snobbery but mostly the spelling and grammar displayed. Awful! And this is a academically prestigious school.......or so I thought. The main problem with me is the tackiness, the disregard for the feelings of others, and foremost, the portrayal of women.

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:36 pm

The handling of it has been abysmal to date. In addition, I have read many of the posts of students and alumni and have been shocked----one by the arrogance and snobbery but mostly the spelling and grammar displayed. Awful! And this is a academically prestigious school.......or so I thought. The main problem with me is the tackiness, the disregard for the feelings of others, and foremost, the portrayal of women.

Alright, cool.

Just keep in mind that High school only matters insofar as it is used to obtain a College degree :D. (that is, if you wish to make above $30,000 a year for the rest of your life and you are not one of the rare cases of non-college graduates who make it big).

Greyclouds

March 17th, 2009, 4:37 pm

Right and those beliefs (or any beliefs) don't really belong at the prom that has a mix of teens from different backgrounds.

That is perfectly acceptable, but can we make allowances for classical portrayal of religious figures that noone worships anymore? Greco-Roman gods come to mind.

M&Mpolitcs

March 17th, 2009, 4:53 pm

You do not know the relationship between me and nieces at all, so you are talking out your ass. You do not know my relationship with this school at all, so you might want to choose subjects that you know something about. Where have I brought anything about religion into this??? You are the only one talking about religion. Intolerent? Typical left-----if you don't agree with everything I say then YOU are intolerent. Doesn't work here. Go sell it somewhere else. I have said this is nothing but hoosier and very offensive to women. YOU are the one talking religion.

I only used logic in that your sister's children belonged to her not you. If I'm wrong and you have legal custody of the children, then it is your business and I apologize whole-heartedly. Otherwise, this is your sister's decision about where your nieces go to school. Just like if this was an issue for my brother, I could give my opinion but the decision is still his to make. Now for the school, I am only working with what you have presented. So if you wish to clarify things for me, then do so.

Religion, I thought was the reason you had an issue with this invitation. You know the whole "lust", "sin", "sinner" thing, but I could be wrong. I still don't see how this is offensive to women at all. Is it offensive because, in our society, sex/lust/beauty correlates to women? It is not like she is being portrayed as a slave to a man or being subservient. It seems to me that it is a woman trying to be seductive, hence the term lust. Also, how is this any awkward, unsophisticated person, or rustic? I'll say it again, sex sells for both sides. It is everywhere you look; magazines, billboards, tv ads, etc. I see no big difference between the invitation and say a typical beer ad on tv.

Lastly, I called you intolerant because of how you are reacting to the invitation. Was I wrong in thinking that if it was an angel on the invitation, you would be ok with it? Not to mention, there are religions that have different views on sins, such as Wiccas/Atheists/Pagans/Satanists. Just to let you know, I'm a republican, atheist, pro gay rights, pro pledge of alliance with "God" in it and pro choice kind of guy. So I tend of thinking myself more of in the middle not the left.

janer

March 17th, 2009, 4:54 pm

The timeless art of romance.

M&Mpolitcs

March 17th, 2009, 4:57 pm

You can dislike other peoples' beliefs, but the Constitution protects their rights to practice them (so long as it does not involve the destruction of another person's rights).

Legally, you must tolerate them. That doesn't mean that you can't dislike their faith.

Thank you, my point exactly. You can hate me or my beliefs, but I do have the right to them.

megs280

March 17th, 2009, 5:32 pm

That is perfectly acceptable, but can we make allowances for classical portrayal of religious figures that noone worships anymore? Greco-Roman gods come to mind.

That seems fine. I think when deciding on a theme the adminstrators should be sensitive to the beliefs of others. I get that it isn't a public school which is usually careful about keeping church and state separate but I think in general (unless the private school is advertized as a Satanic school or a Christian school ), its better to keep religious beliefs out of school functions that are supposed to be for the entire student body.

It doesn't seem fair for students to have to choose between missing the school prom or attending an event with Satanic imagery (which may be the exact opposite of everything they stand for) all around them.

megs280

March 17th, 2009, 6:09 pm

Thank you, my point exactly. You can hate me or my beliefs, but I do have the right to them.

no one said otherwise

roger teekell

March 17th, 2009, 6:17 pm

roger teekell

March 17th, 2009, 6:19 pm

Thank you, my point exactly. You can hate me or my beliefs, but I do have the right to them.

I don't "Hate" anyone for their beliefs...

I may disagree with them...

But I would love them....pray for them...and treat them respecrfully...

That's what Christians SHOULD always do....IMO.

ExDem

March 17th, 2009, 6:23 pm

I only used logic in that your sister's children belonged to her not you. If I'm wrong and you have legal custody of the children, then it is your business and I apologize whole-heartedly. Otherwise, this is your sister's decision about where your nieces go to school. Just like if this was an issue for my brother, I could give my opinion but the decision is still his to make. Now for the school, I am only working with what you have presented. So if you wish to clarify things for me, then do so.

Religion, I thought was the reason you had an issue with this invitation. You know the whole "lust", "sin", "sinner" thing, but I could be wrong. I still don't see how this is offensive to women at all. Is it offensive because, in our society, sex/lust/beauty correlates to women? It is not like she is being portrayed as a slave to a man or being subservient. It seems to me that it is a woman trying to be seductive, hence the term lust. Also, how is this any awkward, unsophisticated person, or rustic? I'll say it again, sex sells for both sides. It is everywhere you look; magazines, billboards, tv ads, etc. I see no big difference between the invitation and say a typical beer ad on tv.

Lastly, I called you intolerant because of how you are reacting to the invitation. Was I wrong in thinking that if it was an angel on the invitation, you would be ok with it? Not to mention, there are religions that have different views on sins, such as Wiccas/Atheists/Pagans/Satanists. Just to let you know, I'm a republican, atheist, pro gay rights, pro pledge of alliance with "God" in it and pro choice kind of guy. So I tend of thinking myself more of in the middle not the left.

You seem obsessed with religion. I guess that is your thing. Again, I have not mentioned a word of religion. I am not surprised that you do not understand why women would not like this portrayal, especially for a school to present to their young girls. These are 16 and 17 year old girls we are talking about. It has nothing to do with subservience. Sheesh. Move along. You are annoying because you do not listen or try to comprehend what folks have written.

M&Mpolitcs

March 17th, 2009, 6:54 pm

Just a thought..

I wonder what the response would be from the left if the prom theme had been..."Siants and Angels request your presence in Heaven"......???

Seperation of Church and state and all???

Well since ExDem sees me as a Lefty, I'll give you my reply. I found it good fun, nothing else. Just a plain simple gimmick to sell tickets.

M&Mpolitcs

March 17th, 2009, 6:59 pm

I don't "Hate" anyone for their beliefs...

I may disagree with them...

But I would love them....pray for them...and treat them respecrfully...

That's what Christians SHOULD always do....IMO.

You sound like my aunt when she found out I was an atheist. But you would be surprised at the number of my friend's parents that would not allow me into their homes for my beliefs. Then again, I did grow up in the Bible belt.

Haplo

March 18th, 2009, 7:15 am

Sounds like truth in advertising to me

AmericanSpirit

March 18th, 2009, 7:26 am

Finally! An invitation that shows what the prom REALLY is about! Giving teenagers the opportunity to have sex. Nice to see some honesty about this stupid prom thing.

Greyclouds

March 18th, 2009, 12:05 pm

Just a thought..

I wonder what the response would be from the left if the prom theme had been..."Siants and Angels request your presence in Heaven"......???

Seperation of Church and state and all???

I'm a moderate who's all for the separation of church and state, and I wouldn't be offended.

It'd be in poor taste to impose religious figures on a school prom (when the exact opposite behavior will be going on!), but its all in good fun.

I can see the SAME number of people protesting that theme as have protested THIS theme. (alright, maybe less since there are far fewer atheists in this country)

Chucky

March 18th, 2009, 3:09 pm

It fits in with the 'logic' of the pro-free-condom crowd: you "know" they're going to do it anyway, so why not help them do it "safely"?

:rolleyes:

AmericanSpirit

March 18th, 2009, 7:05 pm

It fits in with the 'logic' of the pro-free-condom crowd: you "know" they're going to do it anyway, so why not help them do it "safely"?

:rolleyes:

Might as well pass out condoms at the door during prom.

angelicmadrigal

March 18th, 2009, 7:46 pm

You do not know my relationship with this school at all, so you might want to choose subjects that you know something about.

Did you attend this school? Did you donate money to the school?

angelicmadrigal

March 18th, 2009, 7:48 pm

Just a thought..

I wonder what the response would be from the left if the prom theme had been..."Siants and Angels request your presence in Heaven"......???

Seperation of Church and state and all???

If it's a private school, what they do is their bussiness, and it's their problem to deal with irate parents, if the administration is cool with something (that isn't breaking the law) why should I think I have some say in what a PRIVATE institution is doing, if I'm not paying for it?

angelicmadrigal

March 18th, 2009, 7:52 pm

Just a plain simple gimmick to sell tickets.

It's actually a very lame one. But, what could I expect from the generation that considers "Twilight" an acceptable portrayl of vampires. ::eyeroll:: They shame me.

Mimiheart

March 18th, 2009, 9:51 pm

It's actually a very lame one. But, what could I expect from the generation that considers "Twilight" an acceptable portrayl of vampires. ::eyeroll:: They shame me.But they SPARKLE!!!

angelicmadrigal

March 18th, 2009, 11:05 pm

But they SPARKLE!!!

Oh great, every blasted one is a Toreador....just what the world needs.

I can't stand "glitter goths" btw.

My opinion on what should be done to the writer of that garbage....as well as anyone who was involved with the flim is FAR FAR too horrible for words. Soul binding to a NYC subway urinal would be high high on my list....after other unpleasantries.

Mimiheart

March 18th, 2009, 11:29 pm

Oh great, every blasted one is a Toreador....just what the world needs.

I can't stand "glitter goths" btw.

My opinion on what should be done to the writer of that garbage....as well as anyone who was involved with the flim is FAR FAR too horrible for words. Soul binding to a NYC subway urinal would be high high on my list....after other unpleasantries.
:))

angelicmadrigal

March 19th, 2009, 1:10 am

:))

::giggles::
Unfortunately, I can't take credit for that imagery. It's updated from something else, but somehow I figured in thsi day and age a chamber pot doesn't see much use, but a NYC subway urinal....bwaahahahha.

There are just somethings people should NEVER do. Writing poor vampire fiction is one of them....the other is making movies based on poor vampire fiction. Not to mention the words "sparkle", "sparklie", or any other variation thereof should not be seen anywhere near the same vacinity as the word vampire....it's a travesty.

I take my "geekdoms" very seriously.

Mimiheart

March 19th, 2009, 1:27 am

::giggles::
Unfortunately, I can't take credit for that imagery. It's updated from something else, but somehow I figured in thsi day and age a chamber pot doesn't see much use, but a NYC subway urinal....bwaahahahha.

There are just somethings people should NEVER do. Writing poor vampire fiction is one of them....the other is making movies based on poor vampire fiction. Not to mention the words "sparkle", "sparklie", or any other variation thereof should not be seen anywhere near the same vacinity as the word vampire....it's a travesty.

I take my "geekdoms" very seriously.I'm in enough fandoms/geekdoms to know. I'm not in any vampire-related ones though. (Unless you count HP, which only mentions vampires off-handedly.) I also teach 7th and 8th graders. Do you have any idea how much I know about Twilight?

Haplo

March 19th, 2009, 7:40 am

Oh great, every blasted one is a Toreador....just what the world needs. Could be worse..they could all be Ventru.

My girls are wanting to watch Twilight but I haven't decided about it yet...haven't read or seen any of it yet

Mimiheart

March 19th, 2009, 10:55 am

Could be worse..they could all be Ventru.

My girls are wanting to watch Twilight but I haven't decided about it yet...haven't read or seen any of it yetI did read the books. I haven't seen the movie. It doesn't have much to offer in the way of literature. That said, I think some of my twelve-year-old students are too young to read it, and some of them are fine to read it. Can't comment on the movie.

Greyclouds

March 19th, 2009, 11:45 am

Might as well pass out condoms at the door during prom.

Here's the funny thing that people do not take into account:

You pass out condoms to everyone at the door, and NOT EVERYONE will get a chance to use them! Its a sad fact of life, but even teenagers exercise discretion.

The same kids who were GOING to have sex in the first place, will do it regardless of whether or not they'll get free condoms.

Greyclouds

March 19th, 2009, 11:51 am

It's actually a very lame one. But, what could I expect from the generation that considers "Twilight" an acceptable portrayl of vampires. ::eyeroll:: They shame me.

I shiver with disgust when I even see the promo of that movie.

You're supposed to make the trailer out of the best portions of the movie to attract viewers right? Well, the acting in the trailer is horrible and the kids look so pale as to be freakin' disgusting!

Chucky

March 19th, 2009, 1:11 pm

....
It doesn't seem fair for students to have to choose between missing the school prom or attending an event with Satanic imagery ...
Good point - the ad claims to represent all the "Sophmore Class Parents", but I'll bet it's some self-absorbed, self-impressed clique that decided to do it all on their own and had no care whatsoever what might appeal to, or offend, anyone else.

countmein

March 19th, 2009, 2:07 pm

Could be worse..they could all be Ventru.

My girls are wanting to watch Twilight but I haven't decided about it yet...haven't read or seen any of it yet

How old are they? That would be my deciding factor in letting them watch it. My 15 year old read (and re-read) the books and her "religous" aunt took her to the movie. She was okay with the movie, which tells me it wasn't too awefully bad.

angelicmadrigal

March 19th, 2009, 6:24 pm

Could be worse..they could all be Ventru.

My girls are wanting to watch Twilight but I haven't decided about it yet...haven't read or seen any of it yet

I prefer Ventrue to Toreador ANY day of the week.

angelicmadrigal

March 19th, 2009, 6:26 pm

I shiver with disgust when I even see the promo of that movie.

Well you can probably guess how angry I get.

angelicmadrigal

March 19th, 2009, 6:30 pm

I'm in enough fandoms/geekdoms to know. I'm not in any vampire-related ones though. (Unless you count HP, which only mentions vampires off-handedly.) I also teach 7th and 8th graders. Do you have any idea how much I know about Twilight?

My cousin's are teenagers/young adults..and I had to lay into my one cousin about how it really isn't anything special, it's ALL been done before. A lot of stuff in that movie has been World of Darkness, home campaign plot fodder since the 90's. Also, the writing is lackluster in my opinion too.

I have several geekdoms:
Vampires
Star Wars (my BF is a mild Trekkie)
Fading Suns (roleplaying game setting)
Certain 80's cartoons

khigh

March 20th, 2009, 12:01 am

It's actually a very lame one. But, what could I expect from the generation that considers "Twilight" an acceptable portrayl of vampires. ::eyeroll:: They shame me.

Hey, hey, this 22 year old looooooves Twilight. Hated the movie, but loved the book, but that is usually how it works. The vampires in the movie didn't sparkle right and Robert Pattinson is not Edward. :)) I spent the whole movie saying stuff like "That's not what they say" and "That's not right". I see why some people don't care for it, though.

Haplo

March 20th, 2009, 7:16 am

... but I'll bet it's some self-absorbed, self-impressed clique that decided to do it all on their own and had no care whatsoever what might appeal to, or offend, anyone else. How does that differ from any other prom event? :confused:

Admittedly I'm one on the outside looking in as I was never part of any in-crowd and had no interest in any school dances

Haplo

March 20th, 2009, 7:18 am

How old are they? That would be my deciding factor in letting them watch it. My 15 year old read (and re-read) the books and her "religous" aunt took her to the movie. She was okay with the movie, which tells me it wasn't too awefully bad.The only one that's interested is 12. I'll watch it first before letting her. I'm not expecting too much out of a teenybob vampire story so maybe I wont be too disapointed.

angelicmadrigal

March 20th, 2009, 8:44 am

Hey, hey, this 22 year old looooooves Twilight. Hated the movie, but loved the book, but that is usually how it works. The vampires in the movie didn't sparkle right and Robert Pattinson is not Edward. :)) I spent the whole movie saying stuff like "That's not what they say" and "That's not right". I see why some people don't care for it, though.

The book in my opinion isn't good either. The writing is at best mediocre. Meyer's grasp on the literary tradition and role of vampires is shoddy at best. Though a gaming freind of mine will argue it's a kinder gentler version of vampires for an age of people bombarded by fear everywhere they turn, I simply see it as a diservice to the entire genre and a slap in the face to those of us who have been interested in vampires/vampirism. I'm sorry, I will not tolerate this pathetic attempt to make something mainstream that has no bussiness bieng mainstream simply because most people in my opinion lack the understanding of the literary tradition their beloved "Twilight" is screwing with.

The whole idea of vampires having "sparkle" is ludicrous, same as the notion of a "glitter goth". You would have to be a VERY VERY skilled writer to put those things together in a way that is NOT an abomination. Unfortunately, Meyer's is not that skilled of a writer.

angelicmadrigal

March 20th, 2009, 8:45 am

Good point - the ad claims to represent all the "Sophmore Class Parents", but I'll bet it's some self-absorbed, self-impressed clique that decided to do it all on their own and had no care whatsoever what might appeal to, or offend, anyone else.

I don't care what offends other people, and honestly I think don't think other people should sit around worrying about it either. The reason I feel this way because it is OBVIOUS to me, that no one gives a damn about what offends me.

countmein

March 20th, 2009, 9:14 am

The only one that's interested is 12. I'll watch it first before letting her. I'm not expecting too much out of a teenybob vampire story so maybe I wont be too disapointed.

That is the best solution dad. I always try to view a movie before the kids do if there is any question about it. I actually read the books before I let my daughter read them. I let my 15 year old see this because she is 15, because I read the books so I knew what to expect, and her aunt was with her. If it had gone too far off track, she would have had no problem getting my daughter and walking out.