Lowest scumbags on earth. Fight club where mentally handicapped were forced to fight

[samurai7]

Six employees of a Texas home for mentally disabled adults have been charged with encouraging residents to fight each other. The "fight club" ring at the Corpus Christi State School was discovered by cops after investigators obtained cell phone videos showing the workers goading residents to brawl in common areas of dormitories at the state facility. Police have identified the six arrestees, who have been charged with felony indecency to a disabled person, as: Guadalupe Delarosa, 21; Timothy Dixon, 30; Stephanie Garza, 21; Vince Johnson, 22; Dangelo Riley, 22; and Jesse Salazar, 25. According to court complaints, copies of which you'll find on the following pages, a Samsung phone was found March 3 at a Corpus Christi clothing store and turned over to police, who discovered videos showing "mentally disabled residents engaged in physical fights that were being recorded by staff members." Some of the fights (which caused injuries to facility residents) were allegedly filmed by Dixon, who also narrated the fisticuffs. On one video, Riley can be seen "kicking at a resident during an encouraged fight," according to one complaint. (4 pages)


Arrest warrant, etc, here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0312093fight1.html

What is a matter with some people? And then liberals say we don't need religion because you can be moral without it!

Yeah, you can sure tell that by the way society has gone down hill. Just look at television on any given night.

:rolleyes:

[signcut]

Arrest warrant, etc, here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0312093fight1.html

What is a matter with some people? And then liberals say we don't need religion because you can be moral without it!

Yeah, you can sure tell that by the way society has gone down hill. Just look at television on any given night.

:rolleyes:

Bernie Madoff was religious.

How moral was he?

Religion sets moral standards, it does not mean that people who go to church are thereby magically imbued with those same morals. And, if that's the case, then not going doesn't magically strip one of morality. Gee, that must mean that it is up to the individual to live morally, and that religiousity is not the ultimate key...

:rolleyes:

[FidelisAdMortem]

I'd love to see those videos, im sure they are hilarious.

[noose4]

Arrest warrant, etc, here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0312093fight1.html

What is a matter with some people? And then liberals say we don't need religion because you can be moral without it!

Yeah, you can sure tell that by the way society has gone down hill. Just look at television on any given night.

:rolleyes:

this happened in the most conservative state in the union and you put the blame on liberals?

[sgdp]

Arrest warrant, etc, here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0312093fight1.html

What is a matter with some people? And then liberals say we don't need religion because you can be moral without it!

Yeah, you can sure tell that by the way society has gone down hill. Just look at television on any given night.

:rolleyes:

I agree with you up until the religious bit. Religion and politics have little if anything to do with this incident.

One of my best friends lives in a "home" like this. I honestly do worry about her, because crazy things happen in environments like this. I've made a point to meet as many people there as possible, and all I can do is trust them at this point.

I check up on her as much as possible, and send her letters to brighten her day.

This is terribly, terribly sad.

[Dreamy]

this happened in the most conservative state in the union and you put the blame on liberals?

I was thinking the same thing Noose. I don't brag about or diss about whole states cos I know there are jerks and criminals in them all. Texas has their fair share of both. Liberals AND Conservatives do too.

Must everything be tied into something political? Can't people just be heartless morons?


http://www.dads.state.tx.us/services/stateschools/corpuschristi.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/031109dntexcorpusschool.1ffecbee.html

[RogerDodger]

Some of the fights (which caused injuries to facility residents) were allegedly filmed by Dixon, who also narrated the fisticuffs.

Looks like somebody forgot the first rule of Fight Club.

[angelicmadrigal]

What is a matter with some people?
Some people are just *******s.
And then liberals say we don't need religion because you can be moral without it!


Hate to tell you but religion doesn't always make a person moral. Religious people can be just as big of *******s as non religious folks.

[angelicmadrigal]

Must everything be tied into something political?
For some people yes. They'll take any opportunity to take a stab at the "other side" even if it has nothing to do with the issue.


Can't people just be heartless morons?



Of course they can, some people just can't admit that.

[Theranna]

Some of the biggest idiots I know are religious and some of them are pastors and priests so religion has nothing to do with this nastiness.

The torture I'd inflict on these employees would make Gitmo seem like a day camp.

[Justus]

Bernie Madoff was religious.

How moral was he?




He was also a democrat.

Sad stuff... :frown:

[FidelisAdMortem]

Looks like somebody forgot the first rule of Fight Club.

Hahahahahahaha. +1.

[gdoane]

this happened in the most conservative state in the union and you put the blame on liberals?

It happened in a school and schools are dominated by liberals. It may not be a liberal State but it is a liberal Job. After all, liberals want to help the helpless, house the homeless, empower the powerless, enrich the poor and all that schlock.

Proper conservatives wouldn't hold such a job. That's a job for bleeding heart libs, not for decent cold-blooded get-a-haircut and get-a-real-job conservatives.

[Hereintheusa]

It happened in a school and schools are dominated by liberals. It may not be a liberal State but it is a liberal Job. After all, liberals want to help the helpless, house the homeless, empower the powerless, enrich the poor and all that schlock.

Proper conservatives wouldn't hold such a job. That's a job for bleeding heart libs, not for decent cold-blooded get-a-haircut and get-a-real-job conservatives.

So you dont think society has a duty to help those who through no fault of their own are unable to help themselves. The weakest and most vulnerable in society must be able to rely upon the rest of the society to take care of them.

I am not talking about people on welfare or people who through their own choices have landed on hard times but people born with real physical and mental disabilities or those who have received them in later life.

I am sure Jesus Christ would be so pleased that those who shout loudest about being a christian are the same people that dont have a charitable bone in their body or even any sort of social responsbility except its everyone on their own.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Those people are the weak link. GOODBYE!

[gdoane]

So you dont think society has a duty to help those who through no fault of their own are unable to help themselves. The weakest and most vulnerable in society must be able to rely upon the rest of the society to take care of them.

I don't think GOVERNMENT is synonymous with SOCIETY.

Heck our government doesn't even LOOK like our society. If our society were like our government we'd all be a bunch of fat old drunk white lawyers.


I am not talking about people on welfare or people who through their own choices have landed on hard times but people born with real physical and mental disabilities or those who have received them in later life.

Which part of the United States Constitution makes that a Federal issue?

I am sure Jesus Christ would be so pleased that those who shout loudest about being a christian are the same people that dont have a charitable bone in their body or even any sort of social responsbility except its everyone on their own.

Jesus Christ wouldn't even be eligible to be our President. Dude wasn't even born in America.

[noose4]

It happened in a school and schools are dominated by liberals. It may not be a liberal State but it is a liberal Job. After all, liberals want to help the helpless, house the homeless, empower the powerless, enrich the poor and all that schlock.

Proper conservatives wouldn't hold such a job. That's a job for bleeding heart libs, not for decent cold-blooded get-a-haircut and get-a-real-job conservatives.

of course schools are dominated by liberals, conservatives and education dont mix.

[gdoane]

of course schools are dominated by liberals, conservatives and education dont mix.

Liberals and ignorance are fine companions, though.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Settle down keyboard commando.

[gb2004]

Settle down keyboard commando.

What I Have In My Heart, I'll Take To My Grave.

What exactly do you have in your heart?

[FidelisAdMortem]

You're making this personal, take a step back.........My one and only warning to you.

[JudasGoat]

I think it takes a special kind of person to commit an atrocity like this and it deserves a special kind of punishment.:mad:
I bet Bolshevik Hunter could come up with something appropriate for these walking diaper nuggets.

[FidelisAdMortem]

They serve a purpose, fight club.

[sgtmac_46]

I'd love to see those videos, im sure they are hilarious.

'And in this corner......weighing in at 145lbs......RAINMAN!'...:eek:..........:))

[sgtmac_46]

Looks like somebody forgot the first rule of Fight Club. And the second one, too......:))

[sgtmac_46]

You're making this personal, take a step back.........My one and only warning to you.

You're a monster, Mr. Grinch.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Grinch.

:))

[sgtmac_46]

In reality, this is quite awful.........but the concept is also awful funny in a black humor sort of way.......I mean, seriously.......

[Remus Lupin]

Talk about dispicable....

[sgtmac_46]

"Life is a comedy for those who think... and a tragedy for those who feel." -Horace Walpole

[KYCutlassGuy]

What I am trying to figure out is what is the master plan? I'm sure the organizer of this fight club is flying around the country to all of the waffle house sleeper cells to organize the rest of the members.

[Old_Mil]

Bernie Madoff was religious.

How moral was he?

Bernie Madoff was a Democrat who contributed 25,000 dollars to one of the most anti-religious organizations in the United States.

[FidelisAdMortem]

'And in this corner......weighing in at 145lbs......RAINMAN!'...:eek:..........:))

Oh no you didnt...........lol.

[davetexas]

Bernie Madoff was religious.

How moral was he?

Religion sets moral standards, it does not mean that people who go to church are thereby magically imbued with those same morals. And, if that's the case, then not going doesn't magically strip one of morality. Gee, that must mean that it is up to the individual to live morally, and that religiousity is not the ultimate key...

:rolleyes:

Charles Carroll - signer of the Declaration of Independence | Portrait of Charles Carroll
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure...are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]
Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

John Jay:
“ Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393

[FidelisAdMortem]

What I am trying to figure out is what is the master plan? I'm sure the organizer of this fight club is flying around the country to all of the waffle house sleeper cells to organize the rest of the members.

Haha.......I went to a wafflehouse in florida a month ago. Wow, Im sure some of the people I saw there were definitely in the videos.

[jimjames418]

I'd love to see those videos, im sure they are hilarious.
You are one sick puppy, IMHO.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Im not a puppy.

[Chuangtzu]

The two posters laughing at this are...

...cops.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Shhhh........Thats a secret.

[gb2004]

The two posters laughing at this are...

...cops.

Great. That's reassuring, isn't it?

[Chuangtzu]

Great. That's reassuring, isn't it?

I've no opinion either way. I just thought it was an interesting little factoid.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Its the most interesting factoid EVER!

[jimjames418]

Its the most interesting factoid EVER!
And then you complain that people on the board don't always defend the actions of the police. :think:

[gb2004]

And then you complain that people on the board don't always defend the actions of the police. :think:

Some people want the badge and the gun for all the wrong reasons.

[Chuangtzu]

Its the most interesting factoid EVER!

This local cop I knew and worked with took a bullet to the brain. His wife had enough time to be rushed to his side down a route 93 cleared of all traffic, say her goodbyes, and let him go. This guy was such a good, solid joe he had perps writing from prison to sing his accolades. Guys he put there. Guys he arrested.

A class act in everything he did.

He's why people weep when an officer is killed in the line of duty. He's why strangers line the street to say goodbye. He's why notorious gangsters refused to hurt honest, decent cops just keeping the peace.

I doubt Briggs ever laughed at the plight of retarded victims.

[gb2004]

This local cop I knew and worked with took a bullet to the brain. His wife had enough time to be rushed to his side down a route 93 cleared of all traffic, say her goodbyes, and let him go. This guy was such a good, solid joe he had perps writing from prison to sing his accolades. Guys he put there. Guys he arrested.

A class act in everything he did.

He's why people weep when an officer is killed in the line of duty. He's why strangers line the street to say goodbye. He's why notorious gangsters refused to hurt honest, decent cops just keeping the peace.

I doubt Briggs ever laughed at the plight of retarded victims.

:clap::clap:Thank you. I rarely agree with you, but that was an excellent post.

[Chuangtzu]

:clap::clap:Thank you. I rarely agree with you, but that was an excellent post.

Ne rien. As much as I personally disagree with the death penalty (I afford no state the authority to kill its own), I must confess a certain silence on the subject, when his murderer was sentenced to die:

http://www.odmp.org/officer/18543-officer-michael-leland-briggs

"In an odd twist, it was discovered that the suspect was the same man who's life Officer Briggs had saved in 2003 following a shooting. The suspect was convicted in November 2008 of Capital Murder."

Gunned down by the man who's life he saved.

[gb2004]

Ne rien. As much as I personally disagree with the death penalty (I afford no state the authority to kill its own), I must confess a certain silence on the subject, when his murderer was sentenced to die:

http://www.odmp.org/officer/18543-officer-michael-leland-briggs

"In an odd twist, it was discovered that the suspect was the same man who's life Officer Briggs had saved in 2003 following a shooting. The suspect was convicted in November 2008 of Capital Murder."

Gunned down by the man who's life he saved.

wow.

[CID_0687]

Wow...This has go to be one of the most ****ed up things I've ever heard about...Maybe that's because growing up with a sister with CP and being around disabled people my entire life, they have a special place in my heart. They didn't ask to be this way, but you know I'm sure if you asked a lot of them, they wouldn't want to be any other way. Because of the challenges they face they should be bitter, and angry with society, with themselves, with their families, with God...but you know, mentally challenged people are some of the most humble and loving people you'd ever want to meet...Sure not all of them are, but if they're not, well, IMO they've got every right to be ****ed.

And then these workers in this facility, that are suppose to care for them treat these human beings as if they're nothing more than rabid pitbulls....this really chaps my ass.

And then, to read some of the comments in this thread making this whole thing be a big joke...well, let's just say I've lost some respect for some folks on this board today.

And no, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, and I'm just your everyday guy that knows there are some things that we can joke about...and those of you who know me know that I love to joke...but some things can't be laughed about, and this is one of those things.

[sgdp]

Wow...This has go to be one of the most ****ed up things I've ever heard about...Maybe that's because growing up with a sister with CP and being around disabled people my entire life, they have a special place in my heart. They didn't ask to be this way, but you know I'm sure if you asked a lot of them, they wouldn't want to be any other way. Because of the challenges they face they should be bitter, and angry with society, with themselves, with their families, with God...but you know, mentally challenged people are some of the most humble and loving people you'd ever want to meet...Sure not all of them are, but if they're not, well, IMO they've got every right to be ****ed.

And then these workers in this facility, that are suppose to care for them treat these human beings as if they're nothing more than rabid pitbulls....this really chaps my ass.

And then, to read some of the comments in this thread making this whole thing be a big joke...well, let's just say I've lost some respect for some folks on this board today.

And no, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, and I'm just your everyday guy that knows there are some things that we can joke about...and those of you who know me know that I love to joke...but some things can't be laughed about, and this is one of those things.

I understand. My best friend who is in a home right now has CP. Like I said, I have tried to meet all the people there. Her personal helper seems okay, but I'm so wary.

Too many cases of abuse and neglect happen. Far..too...many.

Though my friend tends to get angry at jokes on Family Guy and such, I have to admit I can laugh at fantasy situations, or even harmless real ones.

However, something as vile as these videos is totally...unfunny.

[Chuangtzu]

I understand. My best friend who is in a home right now has CP. Like I said, I have tried to meet all the people there. Her personal helper seems okay, but I'm so wary.

Too many cases of abuse and neglect happen. Far..too...many.

Though my friend tends to get angry at jokes on Family Guy and such, I have to admit I can laugh at fantasy situations, or even harmless real ones.

However, something as vile as these videos is totally...unfunny.

Family Guy is a cartoon - and PG is deliberately a boorish pig. He's a mockery of himself.

These were real victims. And some honored guests saw their victimhood as humorous.

[sgdp]

Family Guy is a cartoon - and PG is deliberately a boorish pig. He's a mockery of himself.

These were real victims. And some honored guests saw their victimhood as humorous.

I fully understand. I'm just saying that even truly harmless things can be very offensive. My friend has even written into "Drawn Together" after they said, "You're in a wheelchair. You don't matter."

Well, like I said, there's a line between humor and abuse, and it's not as fine as some might think.

[Chuangtzu]

I fully understand. I'm just saying that even truly harmless things can be very offensive. My friend has even written into "Drawn Together" after they said, "You're in a wheelchair. You don't matter."

I understand the sentiment, waste of mortal hours as I think that fight to be.

Well, like I said, there's a line between humor and abuse, and it's not as fine as some might think.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Much of what passes for civilization is cruelty, and mayhap we should allow for the humanity of cruelty.

But - it takes a special callousness to delight in the abuse of the folks in the OP.

[sgdp]

I understand the sentiment, waste of mortal hours as I think that fight to be.



Perhaps. Perhaps not. Much of what passes for civilization is cruelty, and mayhap we should allow for the humanity of cruelty.

But - it takes a special callousness to delight in the abuse of the folks in the OP.

Yeah, but I think the general consensus, especially in the name of comedy, is "words can never hurt you".

With physical harm, I don't know how it can be found funny.

[Chuangtzu]

Yeah, but I think the general consensus, especially in the name of comedy, is "words can never hurt you".

I think words can cause harm - but words in our culture tend to be exempt from the calumny associated with laughing at abused handicap people.

With physical harm, I don't know how it can be found funny.

Self-inflicted harm is often accepted. I submit, Jackass, AFV, American Idol. When the weaker inadvertently hurts the stronger (child throws baseball into father's groin): also appears acceptable.

[CID_0687]

I understand. My best friend who is in a home right now has CP. Like I said, I have tried to meet all the people there. Her personal helper seems okay, but I'm so wary.

Too many cases of abuse and neglect happen. Far..too...many.

Though my friend tends to get angry at jokes on Family Guy and such, I have to admit I can laugh at fantasy situations, or even harmless real ones.

However, something as vile as these videos is totally...unfunny.
I get that...I've been guilty myself of an innocent joke about a type of disability...I think most of us have...I've got no problem with that.

All of us at one point or another has said to someone, "Are you blind?" or "Are you deaf?" Or something of the sort...not meaning it in a derogatory fashion towards people with these disabilities...just saying it in jest.


But the people at this institution have no heart...If they are making these people do these acts then God only knows what other acts they are trying to get them to do, or have had them do.

And the people laughing about this are no better than these people that did it...Think of it like this, if it was your loved one that this happened to, how would you feel?

[Chuangtzu]

I get that...I've been guilty myself of an innocent joke about a type of disability...I think most of us have...I've got no problem with that.

All of us at one point or another has said to someone, "Are you blind?" or "Are you deaf?" Or something of the sort...not meaning it in a derogatory fashion towards people with these disabilities...just saying it in jest.


But the people at this institution have no heart...If they are making these people do these acts then God only knows what other acts they are trying to get them to do, or have had them do.

And the people laughing about this are no better than these people that did it...Think of it like this, if it was your loved one that this happened to, how would you feel?

My wife's sister has Down's Syndrome. For my wife and her kin, this can sometimes be a real drag. My wife's childhood was devoted to protecting her older sister and acting as her translator. She missed out on a lot, because of the simple fact of birth order. She will speak in exasperation, of her sister. Because it can be exasperating to interact with someone who's brain is less flexible (and I summarily reject the false theory that DS is a kind of stupidity).

But, I pity an outsider who does the same.

[sgdp]

I think words can cause harm - but words in our culture tend to be exempt from the calumny associated with laughing at abused handicap people.



Self-inflicted harm is often accepted. I submit, Jackass, AFV, American Idol. When the weaker inadvertently hurts the stronger (child throws baseball into father's groin): also appears acceptable.

I did immediately think of AFV and Jackass after I posted. Then I thought of putting "unwilling participants", then figured some might argue the rallying didn't mean it was done unwillingly.

Eh. You make good points.

[Chuangtzu]

I did immediately think of AFV and Jackass after I posted. Then I thought of putting "unwilling participants", then figured some might argue the rallying didn't mean it was done unwillingly.

Eh. You make good points.

Then there's this funny as hell guy:

[/URL][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9-VNOTJa4 (http://www.jokeroo.com/video/funny/cerebral-palsy-comedian.html)

Is he funny because he's the one doing it?

[sgdp]

Then there's this funny as hell guy:

[/URL][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9-VNOTJa4 (http://www.jokeroo.com/video/funny/cerebral-palsy-comedian.html)

Is he funny because he's the one doing it?

I remember seeing him somewhere. I respect him tremendously.

[KYCutlassGuy]

For the record: I was not making jest at the victims in all of this, but rather people who work at the waffle house. Some people are so sensitive. I think Johnny Knoxville did a service to the mentally handicapped when "The Ringer" was made. They had people that were afflicted with various handicaps throughout the whole movie. From what I understand from the articles and interviews from that movie, alot of them do not want pity and they can also laugh at themselves as well. There are lessons to be learned in Family Guy, South Park and alot of other off-color shows.

[FidelisAdMortem]

And then you complain that people on the board don't always defend the actions of the police. :think:

I do, show me where I ever said that.

I cant wait to see it.............Im all giddy in anticipation.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Some people want the badge and the gun for all the wrong reasons.

Awwww........

[FidelisAdMortem]

I doubt Briggs ever laughed at the plight of retarded victims.

Too bad, he missed out on some good laughs then.

[AvgGuyIA]

It happened in a school and schools are dominated by liberals. It may not be a liberal State but it is a liberal Job. After all, liberals want to help the helpless, house the homeless, empower the powerless, enrich the poor and all that schlock.

Proper conservatives wouldn't hold such a job. That's a job for bleeding heart libs, not for decent cold-blooded get-a-haircut and get-a-real-job conservatives.Bad form, boss. We're talking about mentally handicapped people here; not welfare cheats and lazy liars who stand around with "Will work for food" signs. Perhaps if more conservatives did take on those jobs, the people would get the help they need and decent treatment.

[AvgGuyIA]

This local cop I knew and worked with took a bullet to the brain. His wife had enough time to be rushed to his side down a route 93 cleared of all traffic, say her goodbyes, and let him go. This guy was such a good, solid joe he had perps writing from prison to sing his accolades. Guys he put there. Guys he arrested.

A class act in everything he did.

He's why people weep when an officer is killed in the line of duty. He's why strangers line the street to say goodbye. He's why notorious gangsters refused to hurt honest, decent cops just keeping the peace.

I doubt Briggs ever laughed at the plight of retarded victims.:clap:

[FidelisAdMortem]

Its a drain on our economy in form of wasted healthcare.

They arent being cured or rehabiliated.

This is simply care driven and only drains the wallet of the taxpayer.

Survival of the fittest and let those that cannot survive on their own, simply wither away.

[AvgGuyIA]

Its a drain on our economy in form of wasted healthcare.

They arent being cured or rehabiliated.

This is simply care driven and only drains the wallet of the taxpayer.

Survival of the fittest and let those that cannot survive on their own, simply wither away.Please burn your conservative humanitarian card.

[CID_0687]

Its a drain on our economy in form of wasted healthcare.

They arent being cured or rehabiliated.

This is simply care driven and only drains the wallet of the taxpayer.

Survival of the fittest and let those that cannot survive on their own, simply wither away.
So treat them like dogs in a pound??

Yeah cause that's how you'd want your loved one to be treated. :rolleyes:

Unreal.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Please burn your conservative humanitarian card.

Conservative Humanitarian?

LOL..........thats an oxymoron.

[FidelisAdMortem]

So treat them like dogs in a pound??

Yeah cause that's how you'd want your loved one to be treated. :rolleyes:

Unreal.

Dogs can live on their own much more efficiently than some of the people discussed.

To equate dogs with them really is unfair.

[CID_0687]

Dogs can live on their own much more efficiently than some of the people discussed.

To equate dogs with them really is unfair.
Wow. Thank God the vast majority, cons and libs alike don't think like you. This would be one sad and ****ed up world.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Its a factual statement which you quoted.

People being discussed cannot live on their own without longterm/lifetime care.

Dogs however can live on their on without ever having contact with a human.

That is the quote of mine you quoted and made the above response to.

Therefore, simply addressing the dog/human comment, feel free to debate how what I stated it not factually correct.

I await.

[CID_0687]

Its a factual statement which you quoted.

People being discussed cannot live on their own without longterm/lifetime care.

Dogs however can live on their on without ever having contact with a human.

That is the quote of mine you quoted and made the above response to.

Therefore, simply addressing the dog/human comment, feel free to debate how what I stated it not factually correct.

I await.
Be it that it's factual or not doesn't change the fact that it's a ****ed up thing to say.

Yes many dogs can survive on their own, it's called animal instinct. Most humans can survive on their own, but there is that small percentage that can't. It's not their fault, they didn't askto be this way. They aren't criminals, who are the only people that deseve to be compared to animals.

These are good people that life and or genetics was unkind to. Do they deserved to be punished and treated like animal? Hell no.

I'm all for saving on my taxes, but this ain't one of the ways I'd choose to do so.

[bella-day]

Wow. Thank God the vast majority, cons and libs alike don't think like you. This would be one sad and ****ed up world.

Yes, thank God that the average individual has enough respect for their fellow human beings to not make such comments.

Could it a lack of respect for oneself that compels someone to make such a sickeningly stupid comment?

Or could it a complete lack of compassion?

Could it be a lack of maturity?

Or it could be a horrible combination of all the above...

[KYCutlassGuy]

Wait a second. Fidelis has obviously got something wrong with him. Would a lack of compassion be any different than a lack of mental or physical strength? He has obviously had some sort of traumatic experience in his life that makes him spout such cruel and hurtful things about another person. Maybe it's time for a group hug and we'll let him know that he is different in his own special way and though his hurtful words may be ugly to us, he is still a unique snowflake.

[neoINDIE]

In reality, this is quite awful.........but the concept is also awful funny in a black humor sort of way.......I mean, seriously.......

Gee.. you and FAM must be cops with that sense of humor you have...I had the same thought...

[bella-day]

Gee.. you and FAM must be cops with that sense of humor you have...I had the same thought...


I don't think sarg was commenting on FAM's comparing people who have mental disabilities to dogs.

Are you?

[neoINDIE]

Be it that it's factual or not doesn't change the fact that it's a ****ed up thing to say.

Yes many dogs can survive on their own, it's called animal instinct. Most humans can survive on their own, but there is that small percentage that can't. It's not their fault, they didn't askto be this way. They aren't criminals, who are the only people that deseve to be compared to animals.

These are good people that life and or genetics was unkind to. Do they deserved to be punished and treated like animal? Hell no.

I'm all for saving on my taxes, but this ain't one of the ways I'd choose to do so.

Why do you hate dogs?

Why is it unkind to compare a human to a dog? Dogs are more capable of unconditional love than most humans I know. They are loyal. They forgive. And they can lick their own nuts.

Whats your problem?

[neoINDIE]

I don't think sarg was commenting on FAM's comparing people who have mental disabilities to dogs.

Are you?

No, the quote I responded to was before all the dog stuff started.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Be it that it's factual or not doesn't change the fact that it's a ****ed up thing to say.

Yes many dogs can survive on their own, it's called animal instinct. Most humans can survive on their own, but there is that small percentage that can't. It's not their fault, they didn't askto be this way. They aren't criminals, who are the only people that deseve to be compared to animals.

These are good people that life and or genetics was unkind to. Do they deserved to be punished and treated like animal? Hell no.

I'm all for saving on my taxes, but this ain't one of the ways I'd choose to do so.

I live in reality, just b/c you dont agree with it being said doesn't mean it shouldnt be said. Its a fact, why shouldn't facts be discussed? B/c they aren't popular?

I dont base my opinion on the popularity of them, rather the factual content of them, and how I derived my opinion from those facts.

Such as they are, is how I form my opinion.

You brought up dogs, I didn't. I simply took what you stated and offered a factual rebuttle to it.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I don't think sarg was commenting on FAM's comparing people who have mental disabilities to dogs.

Are you?

I never did such a thing. I responded to someone who brought up dogs, I then offered an opinion that dogs can live on their own, whereas those who we are speaking about cannot. Its a factual statement.

You should read posts in order, then you would know I responded to someone who brought up dogs, I wasnt the one who brought it up, I responded to it.

Thanks for participating in this thread.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Gee.. you and FAM must be cops with that sense of humor you have...I had the same thought...

People are being oversensitive and overdramatic in this thread, just roll with it.

You see I am.

The same people who watch southpark, family guy, and what not getting all sensitive b/c we are joking around in this thread and rolling with it.

The comedic value of that on its face of hypocricy is enough to keep this thread going on and on and on......................

[bella-day]

I never did such a thing. I responded to someone who brought up dogs and offered an opinion that dogs can live on their own, whereas those who we are speaking about cannot. Its a factual statement.

You should read posts in order, then you would know I responded to someone who brought up dogs, I wasnt the one who brought it up, I responded to it.

Thanks for participating in this thread.

I did read the posts in order.

It did nothing to help make your post anything other than what it is.

If it embarrasses you to be called on it...try thinking before posting in the future.

It may help...

But then...it may not.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I did read the posts in order.

It did nothing to help make your post anything other than what it is.

If it embarrasses you to be called on it...try thinking before posting in the future.

It may help...

But then...it may not.

Well then maybe you need help with your eyes, I have no idea, Im not there with you. All I can offer you is the post numbers and the order the posts are posted.

If you look you will see CID brought up dogs, I offered a counter to that post.

Its a factual statement. Theres nothing embarassing on it and I stand by it. Dogs can live on their own without human help, whereas people discussed in this thread cannot.

Im sorry reality is soft subject for some on here, but its reality nonetheless.

And I have yet for anyone to prove me wrong.

Only heartfelt outrage of it being said, nothing of the sort in the form of a rebuttle.

[neoINDIE]

People are being oversensitive and overdramatic in this thread, just roll with it.

You see I am.

The same people who watch southpark, family guy, and what not getting all sensitive b/c we are joking around in this thread and rolling with it.

The comedic value of that on its face of hypocricy is enough to keep this thread going on and on and on......................

Oh, I'm rolllin all right... :))

[Ballygrl]

Its a drain on our economy in form of wasted healthcare.

They arent being cured or rehabiliated.

This is simply care driven and only drains the wallet of the taxpayer.

Survival of the fittest and let those that cannot survive on their own, simply wither away.

I've actually kept my mouth shut because a few posts in this thread were insulting, so I let it go, not now though.

I have a half sister, and through no fault of her own, which I won't go into, she was born when she was 6 months along in her mother's pregnancy, she was born in the 1950's and they didn't think she'd survive, they put her in an incubator, turns out she was born retarded, and the incubator caused her to be blind. All I'll say about her situation is that my father divorced that woman and got custody of my sister.

In the 1960's my sister had to be institutionalized, she was sent to Willowbrook on Staten Island, you're a New Yorker and I assume you're old enough to remember the horrors of Willowbrook, where my sister like other patients were abused.

My sister has every right to be in this world, and the world I want to live in is a world where people are compassionate towards people like my sister.

[bella-day]

Well then maybe you need help with your eyes, I have no idea, Im not there with you. All I can offer you is the post numbers and the order the posts are posted.

If you look you will see CID brought up dogs, I offered a counter to that post.

Its a factual statement. Theres nothing embarassing on it and I stand by it. Dogs can live on their own without human help, whereas people discussed in this thread cannot.

Im sorry reality is soft subject for some on here, but its reality nonetheless.

And I have yet for anyone to prove me wrong.

Only heartfelt outrage of it being said, nothing of the sort in the form of a rebuttle.


Yet to prove you wrong on what?

You have offered nothing but insipid little insults pointed at people who have mental disabilities.

If that makes you a big man in your universe...good for you.

You've offered nothing worth debating. All you have done is post the types of comments that most 13 year olds would avoid.

If you want a pat on the back for that...it's all yours.

[FidelisAdMortem]

And you have every right to have your sister live with you and you take care of her.

What we have in this society is time after time people dumping their unwanted siblings in the care of the govt, b/c its too much work for them to care for them.

Everyone cares and loves their relatives so much, im sure they show it the few times a year they visit them at the homes.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Yet to prove you wrong on what?

You have offered nothing but insipid little insults pointed at people who have mental disabilities.

If that makes you a big man in your universe...good for you.

You've offered nothing worth debating. All you have done is post the types of comments that most 13 year olds would avoid.

If you want a pat on the back for that...it's all yours.

Again, I responded to someone who brought up dogs and offered a factual statement in regards to dogs vs humans with the disabilities mentioned in the op.

The statements are fact.

Reality isnt nice all the time.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

There are state facilities working with bare-bones staffing because of budget restraints, private facilities that hire caregivers with little or no training for barely over minimum wage, and foreign nurses hired and housed for less than average wages, overworked and abused by management that knows they can take advantage of them. What the heck do people expect is going to happen?

[bella-day]

Again, I responded to someone who brought up dogs and offered a factual statement in regards to dogs vs humans with the disabilities mentioned in the op.

The statements are fact.

Reality isnt nice all the time.


What you posted had nothing to do with reality; it had more to do with your need to make snide little one liner style comments.

The lack of respect for your fellow human beings shines through.

But hey, someone had to post some really stupid comments. It's good you were here for that serve that purpose.

Better now?:rolleyes:

[FidelisAdMortem]

What you posted had nothing to do with reality; it had more to do with your need to make snide little one liner style comments.

The lack of respect for your fellow human beings shines through.

But hey, someone had to post some really stupid comments. It's good you were here for that serve that purpose.

Better now?:rolleyes:

Its a factual statement, feel free to offer something that disproves my statement in regards to dogs living on their own vs these people if you feel I'm wrong with that statement.

Stop making it personal, and rebuff the content of what was posted if you think I'm wrong in the statement.

[Ballygrl]

And you have every right to have your sister live with you and you take care of her.

What we have in this society is time after time people dumping their unwanted siblings in the care of the govt, b/c its too much work for them to care for them.

Everyone cares and loves their relatives so much, im sure they show it the few times a year they visit them at the homes.

Actually, my sister had to be removed from the home. I was born in the 60's, when I was a baby and would cry my sister would feel her way into my room, the doctors said that she wouldn't intentionally hurt me, but she could accidently hurt me, they also told my parents that she needed to be institutionalized because she had "fits", this is the 60's, maybe if it was 20 years later they would've recommended something else, but the doctors told my parents that she needed to be put away so that I could have a normal childhood. If you saw the movie Rainman, it was eerily similar to my situation.

My Father tried, til the day he died to find an institution here in NJ for her, no 1 would take her because she wears a diaper. If I could have her here with me I would, but no 1 will take her here, they won't release her from NY.

You don't always know the backstory to a situation. And your views sound eerily similar to past world leaders this world has seen.

[FidelisAdMortem]

And your views sound eerily similar to past world leaders this world has seen.

Can you expand on this please?

[Dreamy]

There are state facilities working with bare-bones staffing because of budget restraints, private facilities that hire caregivers with little or no training for barely over minimum wage, and foreign nurses hired and housed for less than average wages, overworked and abused by management that knows they can take advantage of them. What the heck do people expect is going to happen?

And all of the above causes a person to treat people in this manner?

Do you know all of the above to be true at this facility Emma?

What explains abuse that happens in facilities where the above scenario is not present?

My grandmother worked as a nurse's aide making very little money and received very little respect from RNs and her superiors but she never took that as an excuse to harm or cause disrespect to her patients.

[Ballygrl]

Can you expand on this please?

No!

[FidelisAdMortem]

No!

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

We will just guess the rest of what you meant....................

[neoINDIE]

What you posted had nothing to do with reality; it had more to do with your need to make snide little one liner style comments.

The lack of respect for your fellow human beings shines through.

But hey, someone had to post some really stupid comments. It's good you were here for that serve that purpose.

Better now?:rolleyes:

Again, what is wrong with being compared to a dog? Dogs rule!

Humans have such a superiority complex.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Again, what is wrong with being compared to a dog? Dogs rule!

Humans have such a superiority complex.

The human species are one of the most self centered, criminal, murderous, calous group known to the world as we know it.

Compare them to dogs, and whoa the dramatics comes out.

LOL..........ya gotta laugh at the highhorse some people ride into town on.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Showing once more why cops don't usually make jokes around non-cops.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Showing once more why cops don't usually make jokes around non-cops.

Very true.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Very true.

Civilians just don't get gallows humor. I learned that lesson the hard way.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Civilians just don't get gallows humor. I learned that lesson the hard way.

Dont be fooled, they get it. Which is why family guy and the likes are so popular as shows.

This is faux outrage moreso b/c of the person putting forth the posts rather than what it is poster.

Typical overdramatics...........the sky is falling.

[Dreamy]

Dont be fooled, they get it. Which is why family guy and the likes are so popular as shows.

This is faux outrage moreso b/c of the person putting forth the posts rather than what it is poster.

Typical overdramatics...........the sky is falling.

Fam you do not know the posters here who have made comments so your comments may be directed at the masses but you have no clue what any poster here finds humorous or not. I will take them at their word. Stop painting the world with your personal view of the world brush. I have never even seen Family Guy.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Thanks for your input Dreamy.

[JimGP20]

I don't, for one second, believe that the folks here poking a bit of fun actually condone what the OP posted about. People have different ways of dealing with things... while some may show their compassion outwardly, others do not, but that doesn't mean that compassion isn't present within them.

[Ballygrl]

I don't, for one second, believe that the folks here poking a bit of fun actually condone what the OP posted about. People have different ways of dealing with things... while some may show their compassion outwardly, others do not, but that doesn't mean that compassion isn't present within them.

I personally CHOSE NOT to comment in this thread until I saw this comment:

Its a drain on our economy in form of wasted healthcare.

They arent being cured or rehabiliated.

This is simply care driven and only drains the wallet of the taxpayer.

Survival of the fittest and let those that cannot survive on their own, simply wither away.

Yes that comment bothered me. I thought the initial jokes were tacky so I ignored it, but yes, it bothers me when people think disabled people have no right to exist, which is how I took that comment.

FAM has no idea how my family has felt about my sister, the guilt we've had because she's merely existing and not able to participate in life the way the rest of us do, all she has is an existence, and she has every right to be here.

[bella-day]

Dont be fooled, they get it. Which is why family guy and the likes are so popular as shows.

This is faux outrage moreso b/c of the person putting forth the posts rather than what it is poster.

Typical overdramatics...........the sky is falling.


Yeah, shows like family guy does tend to attract folks that have a love for bathroom humor and the types of jokes told on middle school campuses.

I do not fit either category...for that reason I do not watch the show.

So you are a fan?:mrgreen:

And no, no one said the sky is falling...other than you.

Oh the drama...:mrgreen:

[Dreamy]

I don't, for one second, believe that the folks here poking a bit of fun actually condone what the OP posted about. People have different ways of dealing with things... while some may show their compassion outwardly, others do not, but that doesn't mean that compassion isn't present within them.


The jokes don't concern me. And honestly I have no idea what are in people's hearts and souls here. We only have the words we offer and some of them are simply one or two person's point of view. Nothing more. They represent their take on life. We all have our own takes. No one here speaks for me.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

And all of the above causes a person to treat people in this manner?

Do you know all of the above to be true at this facility Emma?

What explains abuse that happens in facilities where the above scenario is not present?

My grandmother worked as a nurse's aide making very little money and received very little respect from RNs and her superiors but she never took that as an excuse to harm or cause disrespect to her patients.
No, I'm not saying that causes people to abuse, but the risks are higher IMO. My daughter worked for a facility for people with mental illness. She was great in her job, and they loved her.

All I'm saying is if staffing is stretched so thin, then residents and those who care for them are not being monitored, and if staff is mistreated or taken advantage of or treated as expendable, don't be surprised if they don't act compassionate in their job.

[JimGP20]

I personally CHOSE NOT to comment in this thread until I saw this comment:



Yes that comment bothered me. I thought the initial jokes were tacky so I ignored it, but yes, it bothers me when people think disabled people have no right to exist, which is how I took that comment.

FAM has no idea how my family has felt about my sister, the guilt we've had because she's merely existing and not able to participate in life the way the rest of us do, all she has is an existence, and she has every right to be here.


I cannot speak for any of those who have found humor in this.... I can say that I have seen sad stories before and have found humor in them. Perhaps I was coping with the circumstances in the best way for me to be able to deal with them. Most folks see a story like this, and personalize it by attaching it to something in their own life. I think that law enforcement folks try to detach themselves to such things, for if not, the job would overwhelm them. I'm not saying that's what the posters here were doing, I have no idea what their motives are, but I've known enough cops and firefighters personally to make an educated guess as to why they would look for the humor in things.

[Dreamy]

No, I'm not saying that causes people to abuse, but the risks are higher IMO. My daughter worked for a facility for people with mental illness. She was great in her job, and they loved her.

All I'm saying is if staffing is stretched so thin, then residents and those who care for them are not being monitored, and if staff is mistreated or taken advantage of or treated as expendable, don't be surprised if they don't act compassionate in their job.

Sure it can happen. But abuse can happen in the private facilities and in private homes with a family member too and does. It is the abuser I blame. But they do love those who make excuses for their bad behavior. I do not. You abuse,you get the blame. Children blame others. Adults accept responsibility.

[Dreamy]

I cannot speak for any of those who have found humor in this.... I can say that I have seen sad stories before and have found humor in them. Perhaps I was coping with the circumstances in the best way for me to be able to deal with them. Most folks see a story like this, and personalize it by attaching it to something in their own life. I think that law enforcement folks try to detach themselves to such things, for if not, the job would overwhelm them. I'm not saying that's what the posters here were doing, I have no idea what their motives are, but I've known enough cops and firefighters personally to make an educated guess as to why they would look for the humor in things.

Perhaps but sometimes the high road is the better road when you know there are people here with loved ones in facilities or suffering from mental illness etc....

Sometimes the classy thing to do is take your gallows humor to a PM with those who share it. And that is my take.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Sure it can happen. But abuse can happen in the private facilities and in private homes with a family member too and does. It is the abuser I blame. But they do love those who make excuses for their bad behavior. I do not. You abuse,you get the blame. Children blame others. Adults accept responsibility.

Dreamy, I'm not making excuses for the abuser. All I'm saying is those circumstances increase the risk that someone who is so inclined will do so.

[Dreamy]

Dreamy, I'm not making excuses for the abuser. All I'm saying is those circumstances increase the risk that someone who is so inclined will do so.


And I say possibly but that opinion would not explain abuse by family members or abuse in upscale private facilities where some of those issues are not a factor.

I don't do this type of work because I am not cut out for it. I would leave the job before harming a person. You see this as some stress induced behavior by the workers? I see it closer to a personality defect. They suck.

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

And I say possibly but that opinion would not explain abuse by family members or abuse in upscale private facilities where some of those issues are not a factor.

I don't do this type of work because I am not cut out for it. I would leave the job before harming a person. You see this as some stress induced behavior by the workers? I see it closer to a personality defect. They suck.

Both, actually. And I'm not saying those are the sole reasons people abuse, but it can be a factor.

[Ballygrl]

Dreamy, I'm not making excuses for the abuser. All I'm saying is those circumstances increase the risk that someone who is so inclined will do so.

Seems to me, in this particular case, these people found it amusing. If people lash out because of job frustrations they don't come up with something like a fight club to watch disabled people fight.

[Dreamy]

I have a cousin who has Asperger Syndrome. He lives on his own because we help him as a family to do so. I think once you place the face of a loved one in the mix of this behavior it loses it funny for some of us. Well actually I never found it funny but the thought of my sweet cousin ever being treated this way makes my heart ache and my anger rise.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Arrest warrant, etc, here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0312093fight1.html

What is a matter with some people? And then liberals say we don't need religion because you can be moral without it!

Yeah, you can sure tell that by the way society has gone down hill. Just look at television on any given night.

:rolleyes:

I'll not touch the religion or morality of libs or conservatives...as I don't believe it fits this situation. How many threads have we had in the past months and years showing both sides of the political aisle to be...well human? To many to count..that's how many.

Dreamy posted this facility/campus web page. By all appearances, it looks like a nice place, with qualified staff and programs for the mentally retarded/impaired. Like most modern campuses, the programs, staff and residents are in a home type environment that appears like any college campus today...with dorms and common area's attached. Many of the residents choose to be there for training....and...to have some independence from their parent(s). Others are wards of the court, with no were else to go.

This isn't some horrific State run facility like Bryce, Spencer, Clairmount and others that ran the institutions like some horrific medieval torture chamber. Family's would by coercion from the medical profession, (ie doctors) would convince the family that this was for the best. :rolleyes: As Bally posted, it was common all through the 60's and into the early 70's.

The only way through this specific stupidity is a group mentality of some staff who thought it would be funny to see mentally challenged individuals fight. Very mature..... :confused: However; had a few of the males residence asked one or more of the staffers to show them how to 'protect 'themselves...then who is to say that this is how this all started?

Hey...it could have started out innocent enough...turning into something grotesque down the line. Until there is more information...I'm gonna stick with poor judgment from immature staffers who thought they'd get a kick or two by taking advantage of those in our society that needs our compassion, love and understanding. It's not an easy job...challenges abound when working in this area...challenges that can tax you to your very last nerve.....:silenced:

~Mysty

[JimGP20]

Perhaps but sometimes the high road is the better road when you know there are people here with loved ones in facilities or suffering from mental illness etc....

Sometimes the classy thing to do is take your gallows humor to a PM with those who share it. And that is my take.

I am in agreement with you here.

[Ballygrl]

Hey...it could have started out innocent enough...turning into something grotesque down the line. Until there is more information...I'm gonna stick with poor judgment from immature staffers who thought they'd get a kick or two by taking advantage of those in our society that needs our compassion, love and understanding. It's not an easy job...challenges abound when working in this area...challenges that can tax you to your very last nerve.....:silenced:

~Mysty

I think it depends on where you're from, my 1st instinct was these employees were betting money against another employee and their "fighter", just like people do with pitbulls, it's in-humane either way.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I think it depends on where you're from, my 1st instinct was these employees were betting money against another employer and their "fighter", just like people do with pitbulls, it's in-humane either way.

I agree...that's just twisted. :wall: Makes one wonder just how well supervised these few employee's were while this type of thing went on.

My Aunt, who is mentally retarded, never had to live in a group campus type setting like this one. She and her husband do live in a private group home setting now....they are older/aging, and need supervision for day to day activities. I can't imagine what I would do if something like this happened to them...just makes your stomach turn. :confused:

~Mysty

[FidelisAdMortem]

FAM has no idea how my family has felt about my sister, the guilt we've had because she's merely existing and not able to participate in life the way the rest of us do, all she has is an existence, and she has every right to be here.

I never personally addressed until you posted towards me.

Then you refused to answer my question when the seat got hot you were sitting in.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Yeah, shows like family guy does tend to attract folks that have a love for bathroom humor and the types of jokes told on middle school campuses.

I do not fit either category...for that reason I do not watch the show.

So you are a fan?:mrgreen:

And no, no one said the sky is falling...other than you.

Oh the drama...:mrgreen:

The intellect weighs in. Thank you.

[ValricoKate]

FidelisAdMortem;

I hope Karma doesn't come around and bite you in your ass.

And thank you for your eugenic outlook on the matter.


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Don't bother responding ... I won't be able to read it.


PSIYB.:pray:

[Buffalo]

Its a drain on our economy in form of wasted healthcare.

They arent being cured or rehabiliated.

This is simply care driven and only drains the wallet of the taxpayer.

Survival of the fittest and let those that cannot survive on their own, simply wither away.
I'd like to think that one thing that separates man from animal is the ability to rise above the constraints of nature, ie survival of the fittest, and take care of their fellow man.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I'd like to think that one thing that separates man from animal is the ability to rise above the constraints of nature, ie survival of the fittest, and take care of their fellow man.

Thats great to say, doing it is another story. How much does it take of man to dump their relative to be cared for /payed for by others?

Ive probably saved more lives in 5 years than anyone judging me has in their entire lifetime.

Difference is I did it, I saved them, I put myself above others to do it.

I didn't standby and have others do it then clap for it happening, claiming I support taking care of my fellow man.

Its easy to talk the talk, walking the walk.......well.........the keyboard commandos are in full effect in this thread.

[FidelisAdMortem]

FidelisAdMortem;

I hope Karma doesn't come around and bite you in your ass.

And thank you for your eugenic outlook on the matter.


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Don't bother responding ... I won't be able to read it.


PSIYB.:pray:

God is not gonna punish me b/c Im giving a diff side to things on a messageboard.

Settle down Ms. Self Righteous.

Ive done enough in my lifetime to carve my spot in Heaven.

But I thank you for your concern.

[Buffalo]

Thats great to say, doing it is another story. How much does it take of man to dump their relative to be cared for /payed for by others?

Ive probably saved more lives in 5 years than anyone judging me has in their entire lifetime.

Difference is I did it, I saved them, I put myself above others to do it.

I didn't standby and have others do it then clap for it happening, claiming I support taking care of my fellow man.

Its easy to talk the talk, walking the walk.......well.........the keyboard commandos are in full effect in this thread.
Thanks for saving those people. That is what I am speaking of. And I extend that to those who cannot possibly survive in our world without the help of others. Specifically the young, severely handicapped and elderly. I will not budge from that. It would be a better world if individuals stepped up on their own to do this, as many have, but unfortunately that is not the case.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Thanks for saving those people. That is what I am speaking of. And I extend that to those who cannot possibly survive in our world without the help of others. Specifically the young, severely handicapped and elderly. I will not budge from that. It would be a better world if individuals stepped up on their own to do this, as many have, but unfortunately that is not the case.

I respect your opinion and I have no gripe with you.

My gripe is with those that scream bloody murder over my comments, while behind a computer screen on their pedistal.

Its laughable. I'll put up my record as a first responder against their record of a lifetime anytime they want to.

Especially those claiming I have to worry about karma. Give me a break. Nothing more I detest then dogooders passing judgement on others.

Laughable.

[Buffalo]

<snip>

Its easy to talk the talk, walking the walk.......well.........the keyboard commandos are in full effect in this thread.
I don't know you personally, just as you don't know me. You do not know what efforts I or any of these other posters have put forth to help their fellow man.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I don't know you personally, just as you don't know me. You do not know what efforts I or any of these other posters have put forth to help their fellow man.

That comment was to you, however it was my generalization of those who have gone after me in this thread.

Saying karma and what not is gonna hit me b/c of my posts in this thread.

I'm confident that my life and how I live it off this board, I'll be just fine with karma on my side.

[Buffalo]

I respect your opinion and I have no gripe with you.

My gripe is with those that scream bloody murder over my comments, while behind a computer screen on their pedistal.

Its laughable. I'll put up my record as a first responder against their record of a lifetime anytime they want to.

Especially those claiming I have to worry about karma. Give me a break. Nothing more I detest then dogooders passing judgement on others.

Laughable.
I take no offense to what you are writing here. As a NYPD, and having seen your district, I'm sure that you have done alot and I am thankful to all the police officers who serve their communities. I would never judge the lifes worth of a person based upon a message board thread. That said, I think some of the posters are reacting because of their own personal situations. And truly, the first quote of yours I responded to was very close to Eugenics, which I will never support.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I take no offense to what you are writing here. As a NYPD, and having seen your district, I'm sure that you have done alot and I am thankful to all the police officers who serve their communities. I would never judge the lifes worth of a person based upon a message board thread. That said, I think some of the posters are reacting because of their own personal situations. And truly, the first quote of yours I responded to was very close to Eugenics, which I will never support.

I will admit some of my posts are over the top. Its a humor that many cops have, that people should realize doesn't make us bad people or incapable of emotion. I'd give my life for anyone at anytime. I took an oath. However, I'm allowed to spout off with unpopular opinions on a messageboard without some keyboard hero questioning my integrity or telling me I have to worry about karma. Its laughable, and its overdramatic.

[Buffalo]

I will admit some of my posts are over the top. Its a humor that many cops have, that people should realize doesn't make us bad people or incapable of emotion. I'd give my life for anyone at anytime. I took an oath. However, I'm allowed to spout off with unpopular opinions on a messageboard without some keyboard hero questioning my integrity or telling me I have to worry about karma. Its laughable, and its overdramatic.
Understand. One of my good friends is an Erie County Sheriffs' Deputy who works at the holding center. What is said in private is much farther out there than what you posted here. Like I said, I would not judge a person based upon what they have written on a message board. This place is not life.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Understand. One of my good friends is an Erie County Sheriffs' Deputy who works at the holding center. What is said in private is much farther out there than what you posted here. Like I said, I would not judge a person based upon what they have written on a message board. This place is not life.

This is true, this thread is mild compared to private joking around among first responders. Just imagine if the people in this thread were privy to that, lol. They would have a coronary over it.

Thanks for your understanding and your responses.

[Dreamy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dreamy2/_476165_soapbox.jpg

Just pass it around.

Until we meet and walk in each others shoes or stillettos none of us know each other or each others lives. So calling someone a keyboard commando cos they respond to comments on a message board is a bit over dramatic in itself.

[FidelisAdMortem]

They were a bit more than responses to comments. Several people decided to make this personal and come at me directly. For that, they are keyboard commandos. I stand by that comment.

But I appreciate you pming me, then in the next breath posting a jab.

Now take a seat next to the rest of the women who posted in this thread and GROUP HUG TIME!

[Dreamy]

They were a bit more than responses to comments. Several people decided to make this personal and come at me directly. For that, they are keyboard commandos. I stand by that comment.

But I appreciate you pming me, then in the next breath posting a jab.

Now take a seat next to the rest of the women who posted in this thread and GROUP HUG TIME!

:)) Darling dial down the testosterone just a tad. Its just us silly wimmen getting all emotional and all....right?

By the way there was no jab. It was me doing what I always do with you,PM or here. I am what I am. Like my style or not. It ain't changing.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Take a seat, sweetheart.

Time for the men to speak.

[Dreamy]

Take a seat, sweetheart.

Time for the men to speak.

haha You know better than to try that tactic on me. I stopped being obedient at age 3....that's if I ever started.

[FidelisAdMortem]

You're the reason whips were invented.

[Dreamy]

You're the reason whips were invented.

Pffft.

Didn't these imbecile employees have some giggly foolish "Girls Gone Wild Women" they could throw into a wrestling mud pit for kicks?

[FidelisAdMortem]

Now we're talking..............

[jimjames418]

Now we're talking..............
Hey you two, get a room. :whistle:

[FidelisAdMortem]

Hey you two, get a room. :whistle:

Im a "sick puppy". I don use rooms.

[jimjames418]

Im a "sick puppy". I don use rooms.
I know, that is why we have decency laws. :razz:

[FidelisAdMortem]

Laws are meant to be broken.

[CID_0687]

Thats great to say, doing it is another story. How much does it take of man to dump their relative to be cared for /payed for by others?

Ive probably saved more lives in 5 years than anyone judging me has in their entire lifetime.

Difference is I did it, I saved them, I put myself above others to do it.

I didn't standby and have others do it then clap for it happening, claiming I support taking care of my fellow man.

Its easy to talk the talk, walking the walk.......well.........the keyboard commandos are in full effect in this thread.
So, what about children in an orphanage?

Old folks in a retirement home or nursing home?

If they were treated in a way such as this would you find that funny as well?

I think it's great that you are a law enforcement officer...and for that I respect you, as I do every man and woman that puts themselves on the line everyday for the sake of others.

But don't accuse people of being over dramatic, don't say that some talk the talk but don't walk the walk...Many do, yes...but you don't know the people on this board...you don't know what we've had to deal with.

Walking the walk doesn't matter if you've made a difference in one person's life or one million. Either way, you've walked the walk.

I mentioned earlier in the thread, perhaps you missed it...My sister had CP, and severe brain damage...we didn't have to put her in a home...my parents had decent jobs and good insurance and we were able to have around the clock nursing for her...We had a couple of nurses over the years that were pieces of ****...one stole some of my mother's jewelery...another neglected my sister while we were at work and school...leaving her in a soiled diaper, not bathing her, not feeding her...Needless to say, these nurses didn't last very long around our house.

As someone who knows first hand how worthless some people can be when it comes to tending to the sick and needy, you would think it would make me sour towards the people of the health care profession...But, we're talking two out of 40-50 nurses that we had over that 12 years. There are *******s everywhere.

If you knew what it's like to have a loved one in this condition, and having to place your trust in strangers for their care, you wouldn't think this was such a humorous topic.

Over dramatic? No...****ed? You better believe it.

[FidelisAdMortem]

But don't accuse people of being over dramatic, don't say that some talk the talk but don't walk the walk...Many do, yes...but you don't know the people on this board...you don't know what we've had to deal with.

Yet Ive had handful in this very thread attack me personally and assume they know what Ive had to deal or not deal with and tell me karma is headed my way. You then say this...........


If you knew what it's like to have a loved one in this condition, and having to place your trust in strangers for their care, you wouldn't think this was such a humorous topic.

You assume Ive never had a loved one in such a condition. Pot meet kettle.

Over dramatic? No...****ed? You better believe it.

You and a handful of others made this personal with me over my comments.

Thats fine and dandy.

Posting on a messageboard is easy. Going out anyday of the week knowing you might not come home that night, that takes real dedication to your fellow man.

I didnt ask for all this banter, it was brought to me by you and others who made this a personal matter.

At any point if you and your ilk want to make this no longer personal towards me and discuss the issue at hand, Im game for that as well.

Do a group huddle and get back to me.

[CID_0687]

Yet Ive had handful in this very thread attack me personally and assume they know what Ive had to deal or not deal with and tell me karma is headed my way. You then say this...........



You assume Ive never had a loved one in such a condition. Pot meet kettle.



You and a handful of others made this personal with me over my comments.

Thats fine and dandy.

Posting on a messageboard is easy. Going out anyday of the week knowing you might not come home that night, that takes real dedication to your fellow man.

I didnt ask for all this banter, it was brought to me by you and others who made this a personal matter.

At any point if you and your ilk want to make this no longer personal towards me and discuss the issue at hand, Im game for that as well.

Do a group huddle and get back to me.

First of all, if you had dealt with such a situation you wouldn't be so quick to make a joke of it and not think that others may not see the humor in what you post.

Second, none of us made this personal...you made it personal when you posted the childish comments that you did. And like a child, you can't own up to it and you're placing blame on everyone around you.

Third, you don't need to keep reminding everyone that you're a cop...As I said before, I respect you for that...but it doesn't make you Superman.

[FidelisAdMortem]

First of all, if you had dealt with such a situation you wouldn't be so quick to make a joke of it and not think that others may not see the humor in what you post.

Actually you're wrong, this is how cops and those in my line of work deal with such tragedies. We joke about things that you would probably cringe, even our own mortality and those we love. Its not normal it is what it is. Its what we do. You again assume I never dealt with it b/c of my reaction. This is where now I have to talk about my personal tribulations so you can retract that statement by me showing you how wrong you are, but I wont, this thread has got personal enough, I wish not to share my personal dealings with such a subject. But if you look through this thread, other cops and others who know cops have posted humor in the biggest of tragedy is not uncommon for first responders.

Second, none of us made this personal...you made it personal when you posted the childish comments that you did. And like a child, you can't own up to it and you're placing blame on everyone around you.

Really nobody made this personal to me? One person just ate a 3 day ban for making it personal and Ive been personally quoted by a handful including you, speaking to me directly rather than the subject matter at hand. And you sit there and say nobody has made this personal with me? Thats laughable on its face.

Third, you don't need to keep reminding everyone that you're a cop...As I said before, I respect you for that...but it doesn't make you Superman.

Well obviously this page is in double digits mostely people questioning my integrity over my comments, one eating a ban for getting too personal to me, and another telling me karma is coming my way, so yea sorry to keep harping that Im a cop, but when people tell me my words on a messageboard will dictate karma in my personal life, I have to bring up such, b/c my real life dictates karma, not my opinion driven posts on a messageboard.

[neoINDIE]

Actually you're wrong, this is how cops and those in my line of work deal with such tragedies. We joke about things that you would probably cringe, even our own mortality and those we love. Its not normal it is what it is. Its what we do.

....


Thats no ****. I've been on the street for only 2 years and I understand this. Like standing in a room where the floor is covered in blood, chuckling at the sounds of the drunk female upchucking off the front porch...

Better a warped sense of humor than the alternatives. Some people will never understand, though.

[CID_0687]

Actually you're wrong, this is how cops and those in my line of work deal with such tragedies. We joke about things that you would probably cringe, even our own mortality and those we love. Its not normal it is what it is. Its what we do. You again assume I never dealt with it b/c of my reaction. This is where now I have to talk about my personal tribulations so you can retract that statement by me showing you how wrong you are, but I wont, this thread has got personal enough, I wish not to share my personal dealings with such a subject. But if you look through this thread, other cops and others who know cops have posted humor in the biggest of tragedy is not uncommon for first responders.



Really nobody made this personal to me? One person just ate a 3 day ban for making it personal and Ive been personally quoted by a handful including you, speaking to me directly rather than the subject matter at hand. And you sit there and say nobody has made this personal with me? Thats laughable on its face.



Well obviously this page is in double digits mostely people questioning my integrity over my comments, one eating a ban for getting too personal to me, and another telling me karma is coming my way, so yea sorry to keep harping that Im a cop, but when people tell me my words on a messageboard will dictate karma in my personal life, I have to bring up such, b/c my real life dictates karma, not my opinion driven posts on a messageboard.
I didn't question your integrity, I only questioned your childish comments...

I've been around cops my entire life...my dad was a cop, all his friends that I spent much time around for years were cops...I know the cop sense of humor, I understand finding humor in things that some people wouldn't find funny...I myself can find humor in obscure places...but there are some lines that shouldn't be crossed.

I'm not one of the ones that said karma will make you pay for your comments...I was simply appalled by the story in the OP and then your's and others comments that followed...I voiced my opinion as such.

You think whatever you want to, that's your right...but when it gets right down to it, everybody "ganged up on you" because of what you posted...Maybe you're liking all the attention you're getting because of this...

You posted earlier that people are being over dramatic...were you in some way posting to yourself? :think:

[FidelisAdMortem]

I've been around cops my entire life...my dad was a cop, all his friends that I spent much time around for years were cops...I know the cop sense of humor, I understand finding humor in things that some people wouldn't find funny...I myself can find humor in obscure places...but there are some lines that shouldn't be crossed.

Sure there are lines that shouldnt be crossed. Children. This thread doesn't rise to the level of being immune from cop humor.

You think whatever you want to, that's your right...but when it gets right down to it, everybody "ganged up on you" because of what you posted...Maybe you're liking all the attention you're getting because of this...


One post you're saying you didn't see anyone posting personally to me, then after I show you they did, which I dont know how you missed it, this thread is 16 pages of people personally making issues with me, but heh maybe you dont see things that are in front of you, I dont know, anyways, now you say I was ganged up on and I like it. Wow talk about a 180, you're like barney frank when it comes to AIG, for it, now against it LOL.

[CID_0687]

Sure there are lines that shouldnt be crossed. Children. This thread doesn't rise to the level of being immune from cop humor.



One post you're saying you didn't see anyone posting personally to me, then after I show you they did, which I dont know how you missed it, this thread is 16 pages of people personally making issues with me, but heh maybe you dont see things that are in front of you, I dont know, anyways, now you say I was ganged up on and I like it. Wow talk about a 180, you're like barney frank when it comes to AIG, for it, now against it LOL.
You apparently misunderstood what I typed...let me break it down for you.

People did not make this personal until you posted the immature things that you did...Then it became personal, therefore, YOU made it personal.

Do you understand now, ok thanks.

[FidelisAdMortem]

You apparently misunderstood what I typed...let me break it down for you.

People did not make this personal until you posted the immature things that you did...Then it became personal, therefore, YOU made it personal.

Do you understand now, ok thanks.

Yes, in your opinion I made it personal by posting my opinions not directed at any individual, however since it offended people, those individuals then made it personal towards me when they became offended, therefore its my fault.

Do you also blame rape victims who dress sexy?

[sgtmac_46]

Yes, in your opinion I made it personal by posting my opinions not directed at any individual, however since it offended people, those individuals then made it personal towards me when they became offended, therefore its my fault.

Do you also blame rape victims who dress sexy?

People still being overly sensitive and ****y?

[CID_0687]

Yes, in your opinion I made it personal by posting my opinions not directed at any individual, however since it offended people, those individuals then made it personal towards me when they became offended, therefore its my fault.

Do you also blame rape victims who dress sexy?
I don't know, do you blame abused orphans for not eating their pudding? :rolleyes:

[FidelisAdMortem]

People still being overly sensitive and ****y?

I shut down most, but CID now has a new tactic.

If you make a unpopular comment/view, and someone is offended and goes after you for that comment rather than the comment itself, according to CID its your fault if things get personal, its not the fault of the person going after you personally for your view.

I know, its strange, but I think we just entered bizarro world w/ CID.

[sgtmac_46]

The two posters laughing at this are...

...cops. <yawn> Spare me the faux righteous indignation......I'm not the guy operating a mental handicapped fight club, NOR am I selling the videos on the internet. Excuse the hell out of me for commenting that 'Handicapped fight club' has a certain black humor to it........carry on with your hyper-sensitive self. :))

[sgtmac_46]

This local cop I knew and worked with took a bullet to the brain. His wife had enough time to be rushed to his side down a route 93 cleared of all traffic, say her goodbyes, and let him go. This guy was such a good, solid joe he had perps writing from prison to sing his accolades. Guys he put there. Guys he arrested.

A class act in everything he did.

He's why people weep when an officer is killed in the line of duty. He's why strangers line the street to say goodbye. He's why notorious gangsters refused to hurt honest, decent cops just keeping the peace.

I doubt Briggs ever laughed at the plight of retarded victims. Now we get to hear anonymous anecdotes of cops so great that even the criminals they arrested loved and adored them.......all because you got upset at a little black humor. How easily your passions are aroused! Gets your little jabs, because you know JACK**** about me or fidelis.

And you want to know what else? I bet 'Briggs' DID laugh about things you never heard about, either. ;)

By the way, are you a defense attorney?

[CID_0687]

I shut down most, but CID now has a new tactic.

If you make a unpopular comment/view, and someone is offended and goes after you for that comment rather than the comment itself, according to CID its your fault if things get personal, its not the fault of the person going after you personally for your view.

I know, its strange, but I think we just entered bizarro world w/ CID.
The thing is, if it was one comment ok, two, meh....but several comments making the whole thing a joke, that's what ****ed me off...You can ask anyone on here that knows me, I joke about everything...but mentally disabled people and children are two lines that should never be crossed.


And as far as the Bizzaro World thing goes, well, yeah maybe my world compared to your's is bizarre...but apparently your's is bizarre to me as well.

[FidelisAdMortem]

The thing is, if it was one comment ok, two, meh....but several comments making the whole thing a joke, that's what ****ed me off...You can ask anyone on here that knows me, I joke about everything...but mentally disabled people and children are two lines that should never be crossed.


And as far as the Bizzaro World thing goes, well, yeah maybe my world compared to your's is bizarre...but apparently your's is bizarre to me as well.

Ok so CID has qualified. One comment its not my fault, but more than one comment and people are not required to have personal restraint, they can go after someone personally, of no fault of their own.

Thanks for clarifying, bizarro world in full effect.

[sgtmac_46]

The thing is, if it was one comment ok, two, meh....but several comments making the whole thing a joke, that's what ****ed me off...You can ask anyone on here that knows me, I joke about everything...but mentally disabled people and children are two lines that should never be crossed.


And as far as the Bizzaro World thing goes, well, yeah maybe my world compared to your's is bizarre...but apparently your's is bizarre to me as well. Let me translate.....had the hyper-sensitivity crowd not went nuclear, nothing more than a passing comment would have been made.......but once righteous indignation turned in to aspersions on character, and ultimately, to asinine stories about cops, and what constitutes a good one or a bad one, based on some black humor, it kind of becomes an involved discussion.

Let me break it down for all of you........dirt bags abused their position, encouraged folks under their care to engage in activity that could have caused the to be seriously injured, for their own amusement, and are now RIGHTLY BEING PROSECUTED!

I didn't have jack **** to do with creating the situation at this facility......nor did fidelis......so our crime was a couple of less than sensitive off the cuff black humor comments? BRING OUT THE LYNCH MOB!

[FidelisAdMortem]

Sgt, karma will get us for messageboard comments.

So no need to be a good cop anymore, you're comments in this thread dictates karma to you.

[sgtmac_46]

Sgt, karma will get us for messageboard comments.

So no need to be a good cop anymore, you're comments in this thread dictates karma to you. :))

We need to remember that we're talking to sensitive souls, and learn to get in touch with our feminine side more......s.e.n.s.i.t.i.v.e.

Want to start an encounter group? :doh:

[CID_0687]

Ok so CID has qualified. One comment its not my fault, but more than one comment and people are not required to have personal restraint, they can go after someone personally, of no fault of their own.

Thanks for clarifying, bizarro world in full effect.
Here's an idea FAM...why don't we just drop it...you're not impressing anyone here but yourself....and I've grown tired of it.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Translation = You showed me up, lets just end it.

/end bizarro world.

[jimjames418]

Here's an idea FAM...why don't we just drop it...you're not impressing anyone here but yourself....and I've grown tired of it.
Careful there, FAM will accuse you of losing and running away. :whistle:



j/k FAM, don't hit me again, I'll just go over here and shut the hell up.

[CID_0687]

Translation = You showed me up, lets just end it.

/end bizarro world.
Nope, that's not the translation at all....but, I don't feel like getting banned so I won't share the translation.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Haha, he did lose.

He cant back up his statements.

And no matter if you like me, dislike me, agree/disagree with me, I never run away, I go at it, and always defend my comments.

The same cant be said for those who debate me.

I know im great like that, *pats self on back*.

[Stuball]

I will admit some of my posts are over the top. Its a humor that many cops have, that people should realize doesn't make us bad people or incapable of emotion. I'd give my life for anyone at anytime. I took an oath. However, I'm allowed to spout off with unpopular opinions on a messageboard without some keyboard hero questioning my integrity or telling me I have to worry about karma. Its laughable, and its overdramatic.
Why do you feelthe need to disparage those that disagree with you by refering to them as "keyboard Heros"'
Why not just accept the fact that some peoples views differ from yours. Being a police officer does not make you a better person than anyone else
Other people here have saved lives without wearing a blue uniform

[sgtmac_46]

Haha, he did lose.

He cant back up his statements.

And no matter if you like me, dislike me, agree/disagree with me, I never run away, I go at it, and always defend my comments.

The same cant be said for those who debate me.

I know im great like that, *pats self on back*. Yeah, well have fun......i've got to go make fun of some orphans, and kill some stray cats.

[sgtmac_46]

Why do you feelthe need to disparage those that disagree with you by refering to them as "keyboard Heros"'
Why not just accept the fact that some peoples views differ from yours. Being a police officer does not make you a better person than anyone else
Other people here have saved lives without wearing a blue uniform Probably for the same reason quite a few folks took the opportunity in this conversation, simply because they found a couple comments insensitive, to declare fidelis a bad cop, an evil human being, and generally corrupt and malignant.

'Why do you feel the need to disparage those that disagree with you?' indeed!

[Dreamy]

Did any of you guys order a truckload of mud? :whistle:

[FidelisAdMortem]

Why do you feelthe need to disparage those that disagree with you by refering to them as "keyboard Heros"'
Why not just accept the fact that some peoples views differ from yours. Being a police officer does not make you a better person than anyone else
Other people here have saved lives without wearing a blue uniform

Stu you're a interesting poster. You ignore 17 pages of people taking personal jabs at me, one resulting in a ban, and post about my RESPONSES to those who ADDRESSED me first.

The question is why do those people feel the need to go after me personally for I never addressed anyone with my comments, they were general and made as such.

Why can't those people accept the fact I hold unpopular views that some might not agree with?

Why did they make it personal?

Funny Stu, you take issue with my keyboard comment, very odd, but not surprising, its shows bias.

My keyboard comment was directed at those who came at me personally. Why should I accept someone taking personal jabs at me for my views?

Why would you ask me to do such a thing?

[sgtmac_46]

Hmm,....wonder what kind of fight card they had...
Now you've done it! :doh:

[Stuball]

Probably for the same reason quite a few folks took the opportunity in this conversation, simply because they found a couple comments insensitive, to declare fidelis a bad cop, an evil human being, and generally corrupt and malignant.

'Why do you feel the need to disparage those that disagree with you?' indeed!
I didnt disparage FAM
He put himself up on a high horse acting as if he is better than other people here
You dont have to be a Police Officer to save lives

[sgtmac_46]

Did any of you guys order a truckload of mud? :whistle: God knows there's enough slinging........would have been easier if we'd all just stopped taking things so seriously laughed at the black humor in the title 'Handicapped Fight Club'.......

[sgtmac_46]

I didnt disparage FAM
He put himself up on a high horse acting as if he is better than other people here
You dont have to be a Police Officer to save lives No, I didn't say you were......I said that the people that FAM was referring to were.


Here's a point some folks miss........you CAN be BOTH.....a GOOD MAN.....AND......an *******!

Conversely, one can be BOTH the 'nicest guy I ever met' and, at their core, an evil bastard....as evidenced by most of the pedophiles and child molesters i've ever dealt with.


Some of the best men I ever knew in my life.......were overbearing, egotistical, crude, crass, insensitive, SOBs.......and at the end of the day, there when the **** hit the fan!

Conversely, some of the most likable folks i've ever know, were secretly snakes in the grass.

[Stuball]

Stu you're a interesting poster. snip>You ignore 17 pages of people taking personal jabs at me?
thanks so are you
BTW I have my PPG set at 40 so its been just over 4 pages for me

[FidelisAdMortem]

I didnt disparage FAM
He put himself up on a high horse acting as if he is better than other people here
You dont have to be a Police Officer to save lives

Do you read the threads you post in?

Every post of mine is a response to someone who personally either took a jab at me, or for some other personal reason.

And you take offense at my responses LOL.

Thats priceless STU.

You really are a "funny" guy.

[Dreamy]

Hmm,....wonder what kind of fight card they had...

Roland! Woodshed now!!:twisted:

And the mud Sarge, was the "prop" for the entertainment that is more suited for you testosterone overloaded men of obvious refinement and culture.:whistle:

[Stuball]

snip<
You really are a "funny" guy.
I try

[CID_0687]

Haha, he did lose.

He cant back up his statements.

And no matter if you like me, dislike me, agree/disagree with me, I never run away, I go at it, and always defend my comments.

The same cant be said for those who debate me.

I know im great like that, *pats self on back*.
Says the little man with the extremely large ego. :rolleyes:


I can back up my statements all day long...but what good is it going to do...you can't accept the fact that you may be wrong in anything...whatever.

[sgtmac_46]

Roland! Woodshed now!!:twisted:

And the mud Sarge, was the "prop" for the entertainment that is more suited for you testosterone overloaded men of obvious refinement and culture.:whistle:

HEY! What makes you think I like watching mud wrestling?

Alright, I do! :))

[FidelisAdMortem]

CID is back, getting personal again.

He just cant help it.

[sgtmac_46]

CID is back, getting personal again.

He just cant help it. You just better watch yourself......'little man'.....:))

[JimGP20]

This thread sure has turned into a train wreck. Please folks.... the comments made here were in jest. I seriously doubt that any posters here would support or condone the behavior of those who were the subject of the OP. As it has been said many times by the Mod staff here, no one has the right not to be offended, and if it is a comment by a fellow poster that offends you, just ignore the comment. In reality, everyone here is on the same page regarding the subject of the thread, so most of the arguing is just about words that haven't actually hurt anyone. I hope the tone here lightens up, as I would not want to be anymore penalties given to you fine folks.

[CID_0687]

This thread sure has turned into a train wreck. Please folks.... the comments made here were in jest. I seriously doubt that any posters here would support or condone the behavior of those who were the subject of the OP. As it has been said many times by the Mod staff here, no one has the right not to be offended, and if it is a comment by a fellow poster that offends you, just ignore the comment. In reality, everyone here is on the same page regarding the subject of the thread, so most of the arguing is just about words that haven't actually hurt anyone. I hope the tone here lightens up, as I would not want to be anymore penalties given to you fine folks.
You're right Jim...that's probably the sanest post on this thread in several pages.

I don't change my view about the OP or the comments that were posted, but I do offer an apology to FAM for getting personal.

I'm done with this thread.

[Dreamy]

HEY! What makes you think I like watching mud wrestling?

Alright, I do! :))


Watch? Hey darling you and the other men folk are going into the mud.:twisted:

We wimmin folk will be watching.:whistle: I'll show you a fight card. My money's on you Sarge. Now off with the shirts gentlemen and stop this bickering like little school girls.:razz:

[JimGP20]

Watch? Hey darling you and the other men folk are going into the mud.:twisted:

We wimmin folk will be watching.:whistle: I'll show you a fight card. My money's on you Sarge. Now off with the shirts gentlemen and stop this bickering like little school girls.:razz:


Dayam girl !!! You're over 50 K now. :clap:

[Dreamy]

Dayam girl !!! You're over 50 K now. :clap:

100k PMs:))


Its mostly from that thread that no longer exists.:whistle:And I think I'll blame FAM while I am at it.

[neoINDIE]

<yawn> Spare me the faux righteous indignation......I'm not the guy operating a mental handicapped fight club, NOR am I selling the videos on the internet. Excuse the hell out of me for commenting that 'Handicapped fight club' has a certain black humor to it........carry on with your hyper-sensitive self. :))

How did I get left out? There were 3 of us laughing...

[neoINDIE]

Now we get to hear anonymous anecdotes of cops so great that even the criminals they arrested loved and adored them.......all because you got upset at a little black humor. How easily your passions are aroused! Gets your little jabs, because you know JACK**** about me or fidelis.

And you want to know what else? I bet 'Briggs' DID laugh about things you never heard about, either. ;)

By the way, are you a defense attorney?

You are right, Briggs probably did laugh at **** like this, and thats why he was able to keep his sanity and treat people decent.

[goodlife]

I'm shutting this thread down to save several of you from yourselves.
I do believe it's run its course.