Washington D.C. Aids/Hiv Rate Surpass that of W. Africa. Epidemic?

[FidelisAdMortem]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/14/AR2009031402176_pf.html

[sgtmac_46]

They need to quit teaching abstinence only in Washington DC schools, and start passing out condoms and teaching safe sex.......oh wait.....:doh:

Hey, I thought Washington DC's '1 Million condoms' campaign was supposed to slow the spread of HIV......what gives? :eh:

[BillyBobUSA]

And that is just among the Congressmen and their pages.

[sgtmac_46]

And that is just among the Congressmen and their pages.
:)) :doh: :clap:

[gdoane]

Of course the answer by the liberals in charge of that total Hellhole is "More Needle Exchanges! More Free Condoms!"

Instead of preventing the behaviors that transmit the disease, liberals want to make the behaviors safer and cheaper. Getting rid of the drug dealing and prostitution doesn't even enter into the equation.

[nortman]

Of course the answer by the liberals in charge of that total Hellhole is "More Needle Exchanges! More Free Condoms!"

Instead of preventing the behaviors that transmit the disease, liberals want to make the behaviors safer and cheaper. Getting rid of the drug dealing and prostitution doesn't even enter into the equation.

I love the liberal answer for this "we just aren't throwing enough money at the problem yet".

[sgtmac_46]

I love the liberal answer for this "we just aren't throwing enough money at the problem yet". Their answer to everything.

[gdoane]

I love the liberal answer for this "we just aren't throwing enough money at the problem yet".

I don't think liberals understand the concept of "enablers" so they're doomed to become them.

If you've got a heroin addict, and you throw money at him, that doesn't exactly solve the problem. It just enables him to buy more heroin and kill himself faster.

If you've got a prostitute, and you throw money at her, she'll just snort it up her nose and buy tighter dresses to lure more Johns.

Saying "Yes" is not always a kindness and saying "No" is not always a cruelty. Liberalism seems to be about saying "Yes" to every beggar and saying "No" to nobody.

Tossing cash into a bad situation usually makes it worse. We're tossing more cash at our government now than at any time in history, and is it better or worse? The right answer would be less cash and saying "No" but liberals, as usual, can never find the right answer.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I wanted to weep as I read the site article...my God...3% rates! That's huge! What really dropped my jaw was the statment that people in DC (as in the public) do not talk about it... I can't buy that it's a race thing as to why it's not discussed in homes, in schools ...what have you. It's just mind blowing.

Needle exchange....I don't believe that's gonna drop any rates significantly enough to bring down that percentage. Free condoms...ppfffttt....they won't get used or will rot in some guys wallet. Re-education in sleeping around verses not sleeping around should be paramount. There are many ways to skin a cat...as my Grandmother used to say..without using a blade. :whistle: It's as true then as it is today.

Abstinence only programs obviously are not working for this population...so...a educated approach of giving all the gross details is in order...and no..not with condoms being thrown at the class like candy!

This would be so much easier if a moral or ethical standard was applied. I don't care what your belief is in...just have one and stick to it for heavens sake!

This is so sad...so disheartening...it breaks my heart.

~Mysty

[FidelisAdMortem]

The quotes in that article are priceless about throwing more money at the problem.

Right there you know the problem is only going to grow.

[JudasGoat]

The quotes in that article are priceless about throwing more money at the problem.

Right there you know the problem is only going to grow.

the crickets are deafening from the libs side...

[FidelisAdMortem]

Yea you would think such a huge story like this would garner some responses, but I havent seen one.................

[gdoane]

Yea you would think such a huge story like this would garner some responses, but I havent seen one.................

It's D.C. which is a liberal heaven. Since the 23rd Amendment to the Constitution giving D.C. three electoral votes in 1961, how many times has that disgusting place voted for a Republican? The answer is NEVER. Not even when "One State Walter" Mondale lost 49 States to Ronald Reagan did D.C. go for the Republican.

The 1984 election results for D.C were Mondale 180,408 and Reagan 29,009. D.C. is so totally out of touch with reality that Mondale got six votes to one in a nation where 49 out of 50 States rejected the worthless Carter administration flunkie.

If D.C. represents this nation, it sure doesn't reflect it. In the Presidential elections since 1964 when D.C. was added to the Electoral College, they've voted Democrat every time. They were wrong in 1968, they were wrong in 1972, they were wrong in 1980, they were wrong in 1984, they were wrong in 1988, they were wrong in 2000 and they were wrong in 2004. They've been wrong seven times out of ten. Batting .300 may be good in baseball but it ain't good if you're not playing a ballgame.

Washington D.C. doesn't reflect America and doesn't represent America. The average D.C. guy is a millionaire white lawyer. Is that what Americans are? Hardly. The city they run is often the murder capital of the world. The mayor of the city is on youtube smoking crack.

D.C. brought its curse upon itself. I don't see why I have any obligation to pay for the aftermath of their stupidity.

[JudasGoat]

It's D.C. which is a liberal heaven. Since the 23rd Amendment to the Constitution giving D.C. three electoral votes in 1961, how many times has that disgusting place voted for a Republican? The answer is NEVER. Not even when "One State Walter" Mondale lost 49 States to Ronald Reagan did D.C. go for the Republican.

The 1984 election results for D.C were Mondale 180,408 and Reagan 29,009. D.C. is so totally out of touch with reality that Mondale got six votes to one in a nation where 49 out of 50 States rejected the worthless Carter administration flunkie.

If D.C. represents this nation, it sure doesn't reflect it. In the Presidential elections since 1964 when D.C. was added to the Electoral College, they've voted Democrat every time. They were wrong in 1968, they were wrong in 1972, they were wrong in 1980, they were wrong in 1984, they were wrong in 1988, they were wrong in 2000 and they were wrong in 2004. They've been wrong seven times out of ten. Batting .300 may be good in baseball but it ain't good if you're not playing a ballgame.

Washington D.C. doesn't reflect America and doesn't represent America. The average D.C. guy is a millionaire white lawyer. Is that what Americans are? Hardly. The city they run is often the murder capital of the world. The mayor of the city is on youtube smoking crack.

D.C. brought its curse upon itself. I don't see why I have any obligation to pay for the aftermath of their stupidity.

I've heard that a significant portion of DC is a toilet.

[FidelisAdMortem]

DC is like Mexico. You only see the resort part when you visit. The majority of the area is filled with guns, drugs, gangs, and what not.

Another liberal controlled utopia.

[gdoane]

I've heard that a significant portion of DC is a toilet.

A toilet could be flushed. D.C. is backed up raw sewage.

To illustrate how bad it is, the population of D.C. in 1950 was 802,178. By the 2000 Census, the population of D.C. was 572,059, a drop of 230,119 residents, A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION FLED.

A city so bad that it has driven out 1 out of 4 citizens in the past 50 years is worse than Mexico.

[JudasGoat]

A toilet could be flushed. D.C. is backed up raw sewage.

To illustrate how bad it is, the population of D.C. in 1950 was 802,178. By the 2000 Census, the population of D.C. was 572,059, a drop of 230,119 residents, A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION FLED.

A city so bad that it has driven out 1 out of 4 citizens in the past 50 years is worse than Mexico.


:))....
except, it's not.

[FidelisAdMortem]

A toilet could be flushed. D.C. is backed up raw sewage.

To illustrate how bad it is, the population of D.C. in 1950 was 802,178. By the 2000 Census, the population of D.C. was 572,059, a drop of 230,119 residents, A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION FLED.

A city so bad that it has driven out 1 out of 4 citizens in the past 50 years is worse than Mexico.

Sounds a great place to live..............NOT!

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Gee Davey, it might be that the Baltimore/DC area has the highest HIV infection rates because they have the highest rates of intravenous drug use in the country.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

A toilet could be flushed. D.C. is backed up raw sewage.

To illustrate how bad it is, the population of D.C. in 1950 was 802,178. By the 2000 Census, the population of D.C. was 572,059, a drop of 230,119 residents, A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION FLED.

A city so bad that it has driven out 1 out of 4 citizens in the past 50 years is worse than Mexico.

Yeah, they fled all the way to Fairfax and Arlington.:rolleyes:

Pittsburgh had a population of 750,000 in 1950. Now it's 250,000. We still rank among the country's most livable cities.

It's because they moved to the suburbs. Pittsburgh metro area has almost three million people.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Gee Davey, it might be that the Baltimore/DC area has the highest HIV infection rates because they have the highest rates of intravenous drug use in the country.

Actually according to the statistics, that is not the reason for the highest rate of infection.

[gdoane]

Yeah, they fled all the way to Fairfax and Arlington.:rolleyes:

Pittsburgh had a population of 750,000 in 1950. Now it's 250,000. We still rank among the country's most livable cities.

It's because they moved to the suburbs. Pittsburgh metro area has almost three million people.

I always kind of figured that the reason so many people live in the D.C. area is because they think the mailman will get their welfare checks to them faster if they lived near the source.

Once they got on direct deposit it didn't matter so much so they had no reason to stick around.

[Rorus Raz]

Of course the answer by the liberals in charge of that total Hellhole is "More Needle Exchanges! More Free Condoms!"

Instead of preventing the behaviors that transmit the disease, liberals want to make the behaviors safer and cheaper. Getting rid of the drug dealing and prostitution doesn't even enter into the equation.This is a nice vacuum you have, but I'm stepping out of it.

Condoms, sex education and needle exchange are just part of dealing with it. Throwing people in prisons is also, of course, a solution for drug dealing and will naturally throw more tax dollars in the toilet.

Legalizing prostitution and thus making it adhere to standards that other businesses have would start to divorce it from the other illegal elements associated with it.

What really is going to change rates is education at a young age. Good luck teaching a crack addict about HIV without spending some cash. It's a lost cause if you aren't going to invest in it, and you might as well just hand out needles and rubber. In time, it'll do a small part to stave off increases, but an ounce of prevention and so forth.

But enlighten me: how do you solve this problem without spending money? "They just want to throw money at it!" is all I hear, but I'm not hearing these cheap alternatives.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Spending money is fine. However more money doesn't equal better results.

Thats something I never see liberals address.

Its how money is spent that imo makes it effective, its not necessarily the amount.

[gdoane]

This is a nice vacuum you have, but I'm stepping out of it.

Condoms, sex education and needle exchange are just part of dealing with it. Throwing people in prisons is also, of course, a solution for drug dealing and will naturally throw more tax dollars in the toilet.

They BELONG in prisons. They're not the kind of people we should even be allowed to talk to, much less the kind of people who should be on our streets. They're dopers, the worst kind of villains in existence. They commit crimes for good times. They enjoy being crooks.

Legalizing prostitution and thus making it adhere to standards that other businesses have would start to divorce it from the other illegal elements associated with it.

You can't make it adhere to standards other businesses have.

What are you going to do, call a pregnancy an on-the-job injury? Give disability to the hookers who wind up with AIDS? Prosecute sexual harassment on the job? Legalizing Prostitution is the second dumbest idea ever right after legalizing drugs.

What really is going to change rates is education at a young age. Good luck teaching a crack addict about HIV without spending some cash. It's a lost cause if you aren't going to invest in it, and you might as well just hand out needles and rubber. In time, it'll do a small part to stave off increases, but an ounce of prevention and so forth.

Basic rule: NEVER REWARD BAD BEHAVIOR. The result of a rewarded behavior is more of the same behavior, all the time, every time.

I don't care about staving off increases. I want these villains punished and punished hard. I do not believe in rehabilitation, I think it's a stupid idea and punishment works to let these criminals know we don't like their kind. They can shape up on their own or spend FOREVER in jails, and I don't really care which choice they make. It's THEIR CHOICE. If they choose wrong, THEY PAY FOR IT.

But enlighten me: how do you solve this problem without spending money? "They just want to throw money at it!" is all I hear, but I'm not hearing these cheap alternatives.

We can make jails cheap. Tent cities clean across the desert if we need to. We're pulling out of Iraq so we'll have plenty of tents. Throw the despicable criminals in those and let them enjoy the same hardships the military in Iraq did. Fences, concertina wire and armed snipers if one of the idiot convicts get too close to the fence isn't all that expensive.

[ImNewHere]

I always kind of figured that the reason so many people live in the D.C. area is because they think the mailman will get their welfare checks to them faster if they lived near the source.

That's awesome!! :))

[Rorus Raz]

They BELONG in prisons. They're not the kind of people we should even be allowed to talk to, much less the kind of people who should be on our streets. They're dopers, the worst kind of villains in existence. They commit crimes for good times. They enjoy being crooks.The topic here is AIDS. AIDS from people who take illegal drugs. Not to paint with broad strokes, but most of them are committing crimes out of desperation. They got AIDS because of the their "good times". What they need is help.

You can't make it adhere to standards other businesses have.Yes you can. Requiring testing for both employees and customers and just having decent health standards is better than what we have now. Would you rather go to the street corner or to a public where if you DO end up with something, you can at least take legal action?

What are you going to do, call a pregnancy an on-the-job injury? Give disability to the hookers who wind up with AIDS? Prosecute sexual harassment on the job? Legalizing Prostitution is the second dumbest idea ever right after legalizing drugs.Pregnancy can be dealt with and porn already has examples of testing for STDs. Seriously, pregnancy could be a sticky wicket, but AIDS? You don't get tested, you don't get service.

Your sexual harassment issue doesn't give me any pause. If your boss wants sex in exchange for job benefits or just keeping it period, it's sexual harassment. The fact you are a whore doesn't magically change its meaning.

Basic rule: NEVER REWARD BAD BEHAVIOR. The result of a rewarded behavior is more of the same behavior, all the time, every time.It's facilitating bad behavior. Rewarding it would be akin to handing out cash for people who bring proof of their dirty sex and coke. It's a needle exchange, after all. And handing out condoms doesn't encourage it. They'll just have sex unprotected. We're not dealing with remotely reasonable people here.

I don't care about staving off increases. I want these villains punished and punished hard. I do not believe in rehabilitation, I think it's a stupid idea and punishment works to let these criminals know we don't like their kind. They can shape up on their own or spend FOREVER in jails, and I don't really care which choice they make. It's THEIR CHOICE. If they choose wrong, THEY PAY FOR IT.Wow. You don't care about reducing or even limiting this problem? Just your own petty need to reinforce your own petty sense of moral superiority?

This deal about people magically lifting themselves out of the morass is a crock. When you live in the gutter, when the gutter is all you know...you're going to likely end up in the damn gutter. Exceptions are made and to be applauded, but what we need to clean up the gutter, and that is with prevention via good schools and encouraging supportive families.

We can make jails cheap. Tent cities clean across the desert if we need to. We're pulling out of Iraq so we'll have plenty of tents. Throw the despicable criminals in those and let them enjoy the same hardships the military in Iraq did. Fences, concertina wire and armed snipers if one of the idiot convicts get too close to the fence isn't all that expensive.Go to church and come back when you've grown a sense of humanity. You don't want to help this city. You just want to continue the suffering.

[BillyBobUSA]

It's D.C. which is a liberal heaven. Since the 23rd Amendment to the Constitution giving D.C. three electoral votes in 1961, how many times has that disgusting place voted for a Republican? The answer is NEVER. Not even when "One State Walter" Mondale lost 49 States to Ronald Reagan did D.C. go for the Republican.

The 1984 election results for D.C were Mondale 180,408 and Reagan 29,009. D.C. is so totally out of touch with reality that Mondale got six votes to one in a nation where 49 out of 50 States rejected the worthless Carter administration flunkie.

If D.C. represents this nation, it sure doesn't reflect it. In the Presidential elections since 1964 when D.C. was added to the Electoral College, they've voted Democrat every time. They were wrong in 1968, they were wrong in 1972, they were wrong in 1980, they were wrong in 1984, they were wrong in 1988, they were wrong in 2000 and they were wrong in 2004. They've been wrong seven times out of ten. Batting .300 may be good in baseball but it ain't good if you're not playing a ballgame.

Washington D.C. doesn't reflect America and doesn't represent America. The average D.C. guy is a millionaire white lawyer. Is that what Americans are? Hardly. The city they run is often the murder capital of the world. The mayor of the city is on youtube smoking crack.

D.C. brought its curse upon itself. I don't see why I have any obligation to pay for the aftermath of their stupidity.


DC is the model that libruls plan to bring to us all.

A white elite running a brown-black poorly educted working population with high crime rates, confiscatory taxes and anti-gun laws and everyone treated like a suspect.

Yes, DC is only representative of what the libruls want to do to us all.

[gdoane]

The topic here is AIDS. AIDS from people who take illegal drugs. Not to paint with broad strokes, but most of them are committing crimes out of desperation. They got AIDS because of the their "good times". What they need is help.

Prisons are chock full of help. Send them to where the help is.

Yes you can. Requiring testing for both employees and customers and just having decent health standards is better than what we have now. Would you rather go to the street corner or to a public where if you DO end up with something, you can at least take legal action?

Trial lawyers don't need more work. I'd rather not be around women who do that kind of business at all, no matter where they happen to be.

Pregnancy can be dealt with and porn already has examples of testing for STDs. Seriously, pregnancy could be a sticky wicket, but AIDS? You don't get tested, you don't get service.

AIDS tests don't work for months and an infection can happen after the test was taken. It's not a guarantee of any consequence.

Your sexual harassment issue doesn't give me any pause. If your boss wants sex in exchange for job benefits or just keeping it period, it's sexual harassment. The fact you are a whore doesn't magically change its meaning.

Nope, it's the boss inspecting the service his customers get.

It's facilitating bad behavior. Rewarding it would be akin to handing out cash for people who bring proof of their dirty sex and coke. It's a needle exchange, after all. And handing out condoms doesn't encourage it. They'll just have sex unprotected. We're not dealing with remotely reasonable people here.

There's no reason to deal with such people. Let the prisons deal with them, that's why we have them.

Wow. You don't care about reducing or even limiting this problem? Just your own petty need to reinforce your own petty sense of moral superiority?

It's not MY problem. I have no responsibility in this problem whatsoever and I've got enough of my own problems to worry about. I couldn't care less what happens to idiots who use dirty needles.

This deal about people magically lifting themselves out of the morass is a crock. When you live in the gutter, when the gutter is all you know...you're going to likely end up in the damn gutter. Exceptions are made and to be applauded, but what we need to clean up the gutter, and that is with prevention via good schools and encouraging supportive families.

Prison encourages supportive families. They have visiting hours and everything.


Go to church and come back when you've grown a sense of humanity. You don't want to help this city. You just want to continue the suffering.

I don't want anything but the status quo. I'm a conservative, of course I resist any and all policy changes.