What's different now? Did our ancestors cower like we are now?

[cautiousamerican]

Why don't we do anything about what's going on? No marching to speak of...no taking control of our own property along the border...we even pay for Border Patrol that gets imprisoned when they actually do their job.

It's not like a civil war would break out. We just want the illegals out of our Country. Our Gov't pretends it isn't happening and blames us (calling us racist) and takes our money and gives it to these creeps who suck off our system and lower our own benefits...this WE PAY FOR.

Where is our backbone?

Would our fathers before us be proud? All they went through to build this land...what would they think of us...us politically correct apathetic lemmings muttering under our breath?

Shame on us.

We need to take back our Country!!!!!!!!

[StemcellFajita]

We need to take back our Country!!!!!!!!

Fortunately the US Constitution has you back: Vote in like minded politicians in 2010 and 2012. There ya go!

[Miss America]

Why don't we do anything about what's going on? No marching to speak of...no taking control of our own property along the border...we even pay for Border Patrol that gets imprisoned when they actually do their job.

It's not like a civil war would break out. We just want the illegals out of our Country. Our Gov't pretends it isn't happening and blames us (calling us racist) and takes our money and gives it to these creeps who suck off our system and lower our own benefits...this WE PAY FOR.

Where is our backbone?

Would our fathers before us be proud? All they went through to build this land...what would they think of us...us politically correct apathetic lemmings muttering under our breath?

Shame on us.

We need to take back our Country!!!!!!!!

It just might be coming...look at the people protesting in the "new American Tea party"..when is the last time that you saw people other than the normal cast of characters and rent a mob's physically taking to the streets in protest?

[ModerateVoice]

It just might be coming...look at the people protesting in the "new American Tea party"..when is the last time that you saw people other than the normal cast of characters and rent a mob's physically taking to the streets in protest?

Even Jimmy Carter was a popular president for a wee short while...people eventually return to their senses.

[cautiousamerican]

Fortunately the US Constitution has you back: Vote in like minded politicians in 2010 and 2012. There ya go!
Oh you mean like the "hispanics" are? Voting in all "their kind"? To get "their way"?

[ModerateVoice]

Oh you mean like the "hispanics" are? Voting in all "their kind"? To get "their way"?

Why don't you just imply more stuff that wasn't said?!...I want this to go on record that this is the only time I will ever defend Stemcell on this site!

[Blarb]

Politicians don't get serious about it because when it hits the floor of Congress it dies. It dies because the US economy is dependant on illegal immigrants to do menial aggricultural and service industy work. It drives down the cost to the American consumer across the board and keeps industries in America that would otherwise be increasingly subsidized by your tax dollars (farming) or outsourced overseas (service industry).

[rckirby]

Why don't you just imply more stuff that wasn't said?!...I want this to go on record that this is the only time I will ever defend Stemcell on this site!

Me too...I was actually shocked when I agreed. I had to go back and re-read it a couple times!!!

So put me on record too!!!!

Maybe there are some (what I thought) were 'lefties' that actually want to go back to the Constitution.

Then again, maybe he was being sarcastic.......:((

[rckirby]

Politicians don't get serious about it because when it hits the floor of Congress it dies. It dies because the US economy is dependant on illegal immigrants to do menial aggricultural and service industy work. It drives down the cost to the American consumer across the board and keeps industries in America that would otherwise be increasingly subsidized by your tax dollars (farming) or outsourced overseas (service industry).

Gee, maybe that whole "minimum wage" thingie isn't such a good idea........

But as long as you have welfare programs paying more than these immigrants get paid......guess what???????????

Let the FREE MARKET rule.

[cautiousamerican]

Why don't you just imply more stuff that wasn't said?!...I want this to go on record that this is the only time I will ever defend Stemcell on this site!

I was just going off of my first impression of Stem when he "seemed" to defend an illegal murderer on another thread.

[Blarb]

Gee, maybe that whole "minimum wage" thingie isn't such a good idea........

But as long as you have welfare programs paying more than these immigrants get paid......guess what???????????

Let the FREE MARKET rule.

The minimum wage isn't a bad idea, it just needs to be set by economists and not politicians. Illegal immigrants are simply willing to work for a lower wage than the American because the expectations on standards of living are so radically different. You can't pay an American a minimum "living wage" to pick produce in Arizona and if you did your produce would cost 10x what it does now. Or that buisness )and its American employees) and investments and tax dollars will go overseas.

I'm not sure what you mean with the welfare comment. Welfare reform killed most of what I'm asuming you're implying.

[zantax]

The minimum wage isn't a bad idea, it just needs to be set by economists and not politicians. Illegal immigrants are simply willing to work for a lower wage than the American because the expectations on standards of living are so radically different. You can't pay an American a minimum "living wage" to pick produce in Arizona and if you did your produce would cost 10x what it does now. Or that buisness )and its American employees) and investments and tax dollars will go overseas.

I'm not sure what you mean with the welfare comment. Welfare reform killed most of what I'm asuming you're implying.

No produce would not cost 10x what it does now, that's a lame myth. Farmers would mechanize and the few crops that couldn't be mechanized would be genetically modified until they could be mechanized, it's possible a few, very few, couldn't be and would become luxury items, no big deal. For instance, lettuce harvesters were invented forty years ago, they just weren't ever used because labor was cheaper.

[cautiousamerican]

The minimum wage isn't a bad idea, it just needs to be set by economists and not politicians. Illegal immigrants are simply willing to work for a lower wage than the American because the expectations on standards of living are so radically different. You can't pay an American a minimum "living wage" to pick produce in Arizona and if you did your produce would cost 10x what it does now. Or that buisness )and its American employees) and investments and tax dollars will go overseas.

I'm not sure what you mean with the welfare comment. Welfare reform killed most of what I'm asuming you're implying.

Most of the produce already comes from other countries...africa, mexico, and such. (reminds me of the tainted foods as of late, too)
Also, it is a misconception that we Americans cannot grow our own food without this illegal immigrant labor force.
It was brought up in a Time Magazine article about illegal aliens approx 2 yrs ago that machines are available to do the exact same work as a person on the ground could do and it is more
efficient, too.

We do not need illegals from Mexico coming here at all. If a Mexican National wants to live in America, he can go about it the same way every single person on the planet does...the LEGAL way.
Funny how they claim they're so poor...but spend 5 thousand on getting here alone...sometimes more. Please...I feel absolutely NO PITY for these criminals...none whatsoever.
And when the President aids them (the Mexican President) in how to "get over" on our system and how to cross illegally and obtain free this and that...just to rid himself of his countries poor and indigent, well, I consider that an invasion. We should MILIATRIZE OUR BORDERS. Shoot to kill. Unless you want to support them. Each one cost each of us 20K a year in services.

[PheonixOps]

Oh you mean like the "hispanics" are? Voting in all "their kind"? To get "their way"?

What are you talking about? What's wrong with voting for your interests as long as it's legal? Isn't that what this Republic is supposed to be about?

[andrewR]

No produce would not cost 10x what it does now, that's a lame myth. Farmers would mechanize and the few crops that couldn't be mechanized would be genetically modified until they could be mechanized, it's possible a few, very few, couldn't be and would become luxury items, no big deal. For instance, lettuce harvesters were invented forty years ago, they just weren't ever used because labor was cheaper.


How long would you say it would take? So let's say 5 years. Let's say even 3 years. During that time the price will go up unless otherwise subsidized by the government. So afterwards in a free market system, who is anyone to force them to make the price go back down when automation begins.

Moreover I understand digging for potatoes may be mechanized but how do you mechanize picking oranges, a tree shaking machine?

[zantax]

How long would you say it would take? So let's say 5 years. Let's say even 3 years. During that time the price will go up unless otherwise subsidized by the government. So afterwards in a free market system, who is anyone to force them to make the price go back down when automation begins.

Moreover I understand digging for potatoes may be mechanized but how do you mechanize picking oranges, a tree shaking machine?


Yep.

from http://www.agclassroom.org/teen/ars_pdf/tech/1998/03harvester.pdf

By shaking a citrus tree’s foliage,
it can harvest a 90-pound field
box of citrus for 50 cents—compared
to the $1.50 it now costs. And it can
harvest the 300 to 400 field boxes of
fruit from each orchard acre 15 times
faster than hand laborers.

[andrewR]

Yep.

from http://www.agclassroom.org/teen/ars_pdf/tech/1998/03harvester.pdf


WOW That is so cool.

[penner01]

Fortunately the US Constitution has you back: Vote in like minded politicians in 2010 and 2012. There ya go!

I hope it's that simple, stemcell. I keep looking for that nice big pool of like-minded politicians that feel like they have some grit to choose from.

[penner01]

It just might be coming...look at the people protesting in the "new American Tea party"..when is the last time that you saw people other than the normal cast of characters and rent a mob's physically taking to the streets in protest?

I don't know how effective the tea parties have been - even with a good crowed it didn't get much traction here. Still, you may be right. This site can't be the only place we see people starting to frisky about fighting back. We could well see some movement -

[cautiousamerican]

What are you talking about? What's wrong with voting for your interests as long as it's legal? Isn't that what this Republic is supposed to be about?
The only thing I love about Obama being elected is that I felt it proved that Whites are not the racist slugs they have been demonized as being.
What I do hate is that illegals are voting and voting in those hispanics who are aiding in thier plight. They receive:

*Food Stamps
*Welfare
*Legal Services to fight when caught being here illegally
*Free Education (College included)
*Free Healthcare-even receiving car seats, diapers, cribs when giving birth
*Freedom from paying taxes
*They drive in unregistered unsafe vehicles.
*While I practically strip at the airport, they waltz right in anywhere they choose with law enforcement practically ignoring them in fear of where would they take them, if they arrested them
*Free transportation back to their Country
*They have whole cities called "Sanctuary Cities" where no one questions them
*They hold up in our Churches (like a thief is soooo religious???? I call them thieves as thats what they are. On a GRAND SCALE)
*They receive home mortgages using no verification of Social Security no#'s, Tax Records, Employment records.
*Speaking of Soc. Sec. No#'s...they ruin our credit when THEY STEAL our numbers.
*They are allowed to break the housing codes and live with many many people in one home and they ruin neighborhoods.

Isn't that enough?
Nope...then they vote in people who only have their welfare in mind.
They do not want to be Americans. They want to strip us of what is ours...stealing is what they know and what they do.
They vote NOT for people who will help ALL AMERICANS, but for those who will ONLY help them. That's un-American and I would think ILLEGAL.

[penner01]

The only thing I love about Obama being elected is that I felt it proved that Whites are not the racist slugs they have been demonized as being.
What I do hate is that illegals are voting and voting in those hispanics who are aiding in thier plight. They receive:

Isn't that enough?
Nope...then they vote in people who only have their welfare in mind.
They do not want to be Americans. They want to strip us of what is ours...stealing is what they know and what they do.
They vote NOT for people who will help ALL AMERICANS, but for those who will ONLY help them. That's un-American and i would think ILLEGAL.

I was going to give this some time to figure out how I wanted to respond to that question. Thanks for taking the pressure off - you pretty much said it all. In a nutshell, although there are no doubt some highly responsible voters in their midst, on the whole they vote for those features that make it easier for them to continue to change what culture we have left to fit theirs. Part of why they voted for Obama is the perception that it will be easier for them to perservere and easier to inflate the already burgeoning migration across the border.

[cautiousamerican]

I was going to give this some time to figure out how I wanted to respond to that question. Thanks for taking the pressure off - you pretty much said it all. In a nutshell, although there are no doubt some highly responsible voters in their midst, on the whole they vote for those features that make it easier for them to continue to change what culture we have left to fit theirs. Part of why they voted for Obama is the perception that it will be easier for them to perservere and easier to inflate the already burgeoning migration across the border.

For our Gov't to force us to support Mexican Nationals, with no conscience, is treason. Especially when they (Mexicans & our Gov't) insult us and ruin our lifestyles in the process.

I say REVOLT.....REVOLT NOW

[penner01]

For our Gov't to force us to support Mexican Nationals, with no conscience, is treason. Especially when they (Mexicans & our Gov't) insult us and ruin our lifestyles in the process.

I say REVOLT.....REVOLT NOW

oh, throw "cautious" to the wind, huh? :)

[PheonixOps]

The only thing I love about Obama being elected is that I felt it proved that Whites are not the racist slugs they have been demonized as being.
What I do hate is that illegals are voting and voting in those hispanics who are aiding in thier plight. They receive:

*Food Stamps
*Welfare
*Legal Services to fight when caught being here illegally
*Free Education (College included)
*Free Healthcare-even receiving car seats, diapers, cribs when giving birth
*Freedom from paying taxes
*They drive in unregistered unsafe vehicles.
*While I practically strip at the airport, they waltz right in anywhere they choose with law enforcement practically ignoring them in fear of where would they take them, if they arrested them
*Free transportation back to their Country
*They have whole cities called "Sanctuary Cities" where no one questions them
*They hold up in our Churches (like a thief is soooo religious???? I call them thieves as thats what they are. On a GRAND SCALE)
*They receive home mortgages using no verification of Social Security no#'s, Tax Records, Employment records.
*Speaking of Soc. Sec. No#'s...they ruin our credit when THEY STEAL our numbers.
*They are aowed to break the housing codes and live with many many people in one home and they ruin neighborhoods.

Isn't that enough?
Nope...then they vote in people who only have their welfare in mind.
They do not want to be Americans. They want to strip us of what is ours...stealing is what they know and what they do.
They vote NOT for people who will help ALL AMERICANS, but for those who will ONLY help them. That's un-American and i would think ILLEGAL.

How many "illegals" actually vote? Do you have any statistics?

[BasicGreatGuy]

For our Gov't to force us to support Mexican Nationals, with no conscience, is treason. Especially when they (Mexicans & our Gov't) insult us and ruin our lifestyles in the process.

I say REVOLT.....REVOLT NOW

I don't like the proposal anymore than you do. However, it is not Treason, as defined in our Constitution.

We have a Republic filled with political cowards and appeasers, who show contempt for freedom and liberty. They sell their freedom away to the highest political bidder time and time again, hoping that somehow some way, they won't continue to get the government they deserve.

[cautiousamerican]

How many "illegals" actually vote? Do you have any statistics?
I was told flat out by my Representative that it is happening. Illegals do vote.
And how hard would it be for them to? Not very...they obtain Drivers Licenses in NC and other states. Thats all you need and in some places, not even that.

[rhet 2]

Whose cowering?

The UNELECTED Lords of the Democrat Empire in DC may be.

But they are NOT America. And they sure as hell don't speak for the rest of us.

[cautiousamerican]

I don't like the proposal anymore than you do. However, it is not Treason, as defined in our Constitution.

We have a Republic filled with political cowards and appeasers, who show contempt for freedom and liberty. They sell their freedom away to the highest political bidder time and time again, hoping that somehow some way, they won't continue to get the government they deserve.
You're a smart guy. Tell me, doesn't the Constitution say that our taxes are for our people...our common areas, defense, things like that? This isn't for the good of the people..the American people, that is.
This is America. Mexico has the responsibility to care for its own welfare.

[BasicGreatGuy]

You're a smart guy. Tell me, doesn't the Constitution say that our taxes are for our people...our common areas, defense, things like that? This isn't for the good of the people..the American people, that is.
This is America. Mexico has the responsibility to care for its own welfare.
If the employers of this Republic had any intestinal fortitude, they would demand that all Treaties in Force with Mexico be removed, and treat them as hostile, so long as the government of Mexico continues doing what it has been.

When you have treaties with other countries, your tax dollars get used outside the country at times.

[PheonixOps]

I was told flat out by my Representative that it is happening. Illegals do vote.
And how hard would it be for them to? Not very...they obtain Drivers Licenses in NC and other states. Thats all you need and in some places, not even that.

What state are you from? I have to admit, that I do see a lot of Hispanics that have NC plates here in Virginia.............
Is it that easy to get a DL in NC???

[cautiousamerican]

Whose cowering?

The UNELECTED Lords of the Democrat Empire in DC may be.

But they are NOT America. And they sure as hell don't speak for the rest of us.
We cower by allowing these things to happen. Our people are cowards, in that they don't even know their voice is needed. I made a bumper sticker saying, "call the White House 202-456-1111"
Everyone asked me, "Well, I can't just call the White House, can I?"
I am amazed at how our fellow Americans are so in the dark and are apathetic to everything the Gov't does. And when they do find out about things, they still do nothing. Well, it's getting as bad as it can (or soon to, when commercial real estate goes under in Sept).
Will it take famine to get their attention? We need all Americans keeping Washington in line. Things are escalating in intensity.
Where is everyone?

[cautiousamerican]

what state are you from? I have to admit, that i do see a lot of hispanics that have nc plates here in virginia.............
Is it that easy to get a dl in nc???
nc

[PheonixOps]

nc

va here. Tons of nc plates here!!!!!!

[andrewR]

I was told flat out by my Representative that it is happening. Illegals do vote.
And how hard would it be for them to? Not very...they obtain Drivers Licenses in NC and other states. Thats all you need and in some places, not even that.

You need to be on the voting rolls in most states.

[PheonixOps]

I will also say that Va is pretty tight with their DL requirements.....................

[cautiousamerican]

If the employers of this Republic had any intestinal fortitude, they would demand that all Treaties in Force with Mexico be removed, and treat them as hostile, so long as the government of Mexico continues doing what it has been.

When you have treaties with other countries, your tax dollars get used outside the country at times.

I appreciate your information. What ables our Gov't to spend our tax dollars IN our Country on those who shouldn't be here though...those who are breaking in?

[BasicGreatGuy]

I appreciate your information. What ables our Gov't to spend our tax dollars IN our Country on those who shouldn't be here though...those who are breaking in?

In regards to the illegal criminals coming here, the Congress is not authorized via the Constitution, to provide for them.

[cautiousamerican]

In regards to the illegal criminals coming here, the Congress is not authorized via the Constitution, to provide for them.

Help me then, BGG

Can you tell me where you found that information? This drives me nuts...frick-frackin' nuts and I would be sooooooo in your debt if you could instruct me on where that bit of information would be located.

(I'm putting Swing Vote in the dvd player) Back in a while

[cautiousamerican]

BGG: Could you help me find it?

[wonderingrover]

Why don't we do anything about what's going on? No marching to speak of...no taking control of our own property along the border...we even pay for Border Patrol that gets imprisoned when they actually do their job.

It's not like a civil war would break out. We just want the illegals out of our Country. Our Gov't pretends it isn't happening and blames us (calling us racist) and takes our money and gives it to these creeps who suck off our system and lower our own benefits...this WE PAY FOR.

Where is our backbone?

Would our fathers before us be proud? All they went through to build this land...what would they think of us...us politically correct apathetic lemmings muttering under our breath?

Shame on us.

We need to take back our Country!!!!!!!!



Not to get too technical here, but our ancestors fought the Revolutionary War due to taxation without representation in the English parlaiment. Today's situation is totally different - the nation as a whole voted for these goons to represent us.


Want to take the country back? The best way to do it is to fire these goons during the next election.

[Joe Howell]

I just want to say some of us are doing things. Tea Parties are springing up nationwide. Have you checked out Glenn Beck's website for the 912 Project? I started my own website The Right Viewpoint at REMOVED BY MODERATOR to promote the values of the Founding Fathers. I had to do something. I look at my 10year old daughter and wonder if the country we give her will be what my father gave me. He went to war against Nazi Germany to preserve freedom. We have to stand up.

On Wednesday I will post a call at my site for a July 4th event. Check it out. Check out a local Tea Party or start one if your area doesn't have one. Check out the 912 Project, there is link at my site.

Stand up America for America. They can't win if we don't let them and we can't wait for the next election, we have to stand up now so some of the politicians on the fence will break the right direction. We have to get enough of them now to stop this agenda. Two years from now will be too late.

Joe Howell

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[cautiousamerican]

Gonna sound corny, but...
brother, I love you! (oh, I'm a girl, so it's not so corny). You are what makes this Country hopeful and I do...

I LOVE YOU

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Immigration wishes: Long on sentiment, short on practicality.

[cautiousamerican]

Immigration wishes: Long on sentiment, short on practicality.

We don't need no stinkin' illegals

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

We don't need no stinkin' illegals

Like I said.