The Marxist Imam Obama: US should reach out to Taliban moderates w/his toady Gates

[Maxstake]

Which one is "Dumb" and which one is "Stupid" you pick between Obama and Gates? ? ? ?

A moderate won't Kill his wife he just brakes both her arms for talking to an Infidel. A Moderate wont have his daughter raped by her brothers before he has her stoned for having an infidel boy friend. Moderates have mercy on Infidels, they just shoot them instead of torturing them to death, dragging them through the streets and hanging them by their heels.



Obama: US should reach out to Taliban moderates
AP News
Sunday, March 08, 2009

President Barack Obama says he hopes U.S. troops can identify moderate elements of the Taliban and move them toward reconciliation.

Asked in an interview with The New York Times if the United States is winning in Afghanistan, Obama said "no," while adding "our troops are doing an extraordinary job in a very difficult situation."

"But you've seen conditions deteriorate over the last couple of years. The Taliban is bolder than it was. I think ... in the southern regions of the country, you're seeing them attack in ways that we have not seen previously," Obama said in the interview, which was posted Saturday on the Times' Web site.

"The national government still has not gained the confidence of the Afghan people," he said. "And so it's going to be critical for us to not only, get through these national elections to stabilize the security situation, but we've got to recast our policy so that our military, diplomatic and development goals are all aligned to ensure that al-Qaida and extremists that would do us harm don't have the kinds of safe havens that allow them to operate."

There may be opportunities to reach out to moderates in the Taliban, but the situation in Afghanistan is more complicated than the challenges the American military faced in Iraq, Obama said.

U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida terrorists.

Obama cautioned that Afghanistan is a less-governed region with a history of fierce independence among tribes, creating a tough set of circumstances for the United States to deal with.

The idea of cooperation with some in the Taliban has been talked about for many months by American military commanders including Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command.

"If you talk to Gen. Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us," said Obama.

"There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region, but the situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex," Obama added.

Last month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Washington could accept a political agreement between the Afghan government and the Taliban if the insurgents will lay down their arms and accept the government's terms.

At the same time, Obama left open the possibility that U.S. operatives might capture terror suspects abroad without the cooperation of a country where they were found.

"There could be situations _ and I emphasize 'could be' because we haven't made a determination yet _ where, let's say that we have a well-known al-Qaida operative that doesn't surface very often, appears in a third country with whom we don't have an extradition relationship or would not be willing to prosecute, but we think is a very dangerous person," he said.

Obama added that the U.S. doesn't torture its suspects and noted in some cases those being held would have an opportunity to challenge their detention in federal courts.

[wicked1]

I really hope America wakes up and see what's happening with our country and to the freedom we take for granted. Look around. For years now the mex. border states were at risk. Arizona for one. Please, people wake up.

[geauxtohell]

Which one is "Dumb" and which one is "Stupid" you pick between Obama and Gates? ? ? ?


Gates is probably one of the best SECDEFs we have had in modern history, and yes, I said the same and gave Bush credite for the pick before Obama got into office.

As for your perjoratives, you thread title and intro post certainly doesn't make you out to be a great thinker.

[Loyal American]

Gates is probably one of the best SECDEFs we have had in modern history, and yes, I said the same and gave Bush credite for the pick before Obama got into office.

As for your perjoratives, you thread title and intro post certainly doesn't make you out to be a great thinker.
geaux, Obama thinks tactics used to win over sunni in Iraq will work with the Taliban in A-stan

........do you think it's possible?

[geauxtohell]

geaux, Obama thinks tactics used to win over sunni in Iraq will work with the Taliban in A-stan

........do you think it's possible?

Just started a thread on it.

I am skeptical. However, I am mindful that GEN Petreaus and Secretary Gates have his ear on this issue.

I am more curious, and we probably won't know this for years, if ever, but where this idea originated.

Karzai has pushed for this for a long time. Karzai believes the Taliban can be brought into the fold.

I don't know if they can. The Taliban is not an organization that was founded by great political minds. It is, at heart, a violent organization that takes power and holds it at the barrel of a gun.

[kenpoman]

geaux, Obama thinks tactics used to win over sunni in Iraq will work with the Taliban in A-stan

........do you think it's possible?

not a chance on Earth.

two very different types of crazy, wanting two very
different goals.

[kenpoman]

Which one is "Dumb" and which one is "Stupid" you pick between Obama and Gates? ? ? ?

A moderate won't Kill his wife he just brakes both her arms for talking to an Infidel. A Moderate wont have his daughter raped by her brothers before he has her stoned for having an infidel boy friend. Moderates have mercy on Infidels, they just shoot them instead of torturing them to death, dragging them through the streets and hanging them by their heels.



Obama: US should reach out to Taliban moderates
AP News
Sunday, March 08, 2009

President Barack Obama says he hopes U.S. troops can identify moderate elements of the Taliban and move them toward reconciliation.

Asked in an interview with The New York Times if the United States is winning in Afghanistan, Obama said "no," while adding "our troops are doing an extraordinary job in a very difficult situation."

"But you've seen conditions deteriorate over the last couple of years. The Taliban is bolder than it was. I think ... in the southern regions of the country, you're seeing them attack in ways that we have not seen previously," Obama said in the interview, which was posted Saturday on the Times' Web site.

"The national government still has not gained the confidence of the Afghan people," he said. "And so it's going to be critical for us to not only, get through these national elections to stabilize the security situation, but we've got to recast our policy so that our military, diplomatic and development goals are all aligned to ensure that al-Qaida and extremists that would do us harm don't have the kinds of safe havens that allow them to operate."

There may be opportunities to reach out to moderates in the Taliban, but the situation in Afghanistan is more complicated than the challenges the American military faced in Iraq, Obama said.

U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida terrorists.

Obama cautioned that Afghanistan is a less-governed region with a history of fierce independence among tribes, creating a tough set of circumstances for the United States to deal with.

The idea of cooperation with some in the Taliban has been talked about for many months by American military commanders including Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command.

"If you talk to Gen. Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us," said Obama.

"There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region, but the situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex," Obama added.

Last month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Washington could accept a political agreement between the Afghan government and the Taliban if the insurgents will lay down their arms and accept the government's terms.

At the same time, Obama left open the possibility that U.S. operatives might capture terror suspects abroad without the cooperation of a country where they were found.

"There could be situations _ and I emphasize 'could be' because we haven't made a determination yet _ where, let's say that we have a well-known al-Qaida operative that doesn't surface very often, appears in a third country with whom we don't have an extradition relationship or would not be willing to prosecute, but we think is a very dangerous person," he said.

Obama added that the U.S. doesn't torture its suspects and noted in some cases those being held would have an opportunity to challenge their detention in federal courts.

pathological rants are ugly things.

[geauxtohell]

pathological rants are ugly things.

You mean Obama is not really a "Marxist Imam"?

I didn't know Marxism had "Imams". I thought Marx was a somewhat secular individual.

[Antrel]

Gates is the man, but it's a lost cause. This really needs to be left to the Afghans.

[Crossriflesonblue]

Obama is an ultra liberal who ho pefully will keep Gates at his job for a couple of more years....Obama will need someone like Gates to reign him in.....

[obomanation]

Can't they just impose another no fly zone like they did in Iraq?

Oh, wait, Taliban don't have planes do they?

Negotiate with them then or bomb their poppy fields.

[Antrel]

Can't they just impose another no fly zone like they did in Iraq?

Oh, wait, Taliban don't have planes do they?

Negotiate with them then or bomb their poppy fields.Or leave...

[rhet 2]

Obama is an ultra liberal who ho pefully will keep Gates at his job for a couple of more years....Obama will need someone like Gates to reign him in.....

Obama is a total fool -- an out of control total fool, at that.

The culture of islamic extremist INTOLERANCE -- sexism, racism, religious brutality without limits -- is at war with the culture of egalitarianism.

How do we coexist with a Religious Cult that believes our tolerance of women's rights and gay rights and atheism, etc., is pure evil, to be destroyed at any cost?

The Taliban are not nice little humanitarianists looking for a way to coexist with anybody.

They are a DEATH CULT far worse than Jim Jones or David Koresh ever cooked up.

A radicalized, devout, dedicated bunch of RACE HATERS and WOMEN HATERS who are determined to destroy multiculturalism and liberalism, itself.

[Maxstake]

Or leave...

If we were to leave we would be Dishonoring by reneging on the promises we made to these people as well as those American Heroes that have given their all in this commitment to Democracy.

We have twice dishonored several generations of our Military by dishonoring and reneging on promises given to other peoples in modern times, Korea giving away half that country to the Communists and all of Vietnam.

We must stop this shameful loss of Honor that Blackens the very soul of Our constitutional America.

[rhet 2]

If we were to leave we would be Dishonoring by reneging on the promises we made to these people as well as those American Heroes that have given their all in this commitment to Democracy.

We have twice dishonored several generations of our Military by dishonoring and reneging on promises given to other peoples in modern times, Korea giving away half that country to the Communists and all of Vietnam.

We must stop this shameful loss of Honor that Blackens the very soul of Our constitutional America.

More than that: it isn't our country.

It belongs to the Afghan citizens -- with Karzai in charge at the moment.

Whether or not Karzai CAN and WOULD welcome Taliban back into A-stan, it's HIS decision, not Obama's.

Where the hell does this Master of the Universe JERK get off making deals for the Afghan people?

[geauxtohell]

If we were to leave we would be Dishonoring by reneging on the promises we made to these people as well as those American Heroes that have given their all in this commitment to Democracy.

We have twice dishonored several generations of our Military by dishonoring and reneging on promises given to other peoples in modern times, Korea giving away half that country to the Communists and all of Vietnam.

We must stop this shameful loss of Honor that Blackens the very soul of Our constitutional America.

We shouldn't make foreign policy decisions based on "honoring" or "dishonoring" the fallen soldiers. That's a recipie for disaster and the kind of thinking that kept us in Viet Nam far too long (thanks to Johnson and McNamara).

We honor our fallen soldiers for serving in their countries uniform regardless of what the policies of the time where, of which they had no control over.

[Maxstake]

We shouldn't make foreign policy decisions based on "honoring" or "dishonoring" the fallen soldiers. That's a recipie for disaster and the kind of thinking that kept us in Viet Nam far too long (thanks to Johnson and McNamara).

We honor our fallen soldiers for serving in their countries uniform regardless of what the policies of the time where, of which they had no control over.


Foreign Policy has nothing to do with it. In both cases our Military were forced to retreat from the Battle Field and denied the Laurelss of Victory after they had won the battle that was asked of them. Foreign Policy that scrafices the young due to the whims of their leaders, just for political purposes, is typical Marxist Madness. This 'p'resident and congress are apparently ready to repeat this shabby history.

[Maxstake]

More than that: it isn't our country.

It belongs to the Afghan citizens -- with Karzai in charge at the moment.

Whether or not Karzai CAN and WOULD welcome Taliban back into A-stan, it's HIS decision, not Obama's.

Where the hell does this Master of the Universe JERK get off making deals for the Afghan people?

Am I to understand that just because this JERK is now president, its ok for America to Reneg on our Promise to the Afganistan People? ? ?

[obomanation]

Am I to understand that just because this JERK is now president, its ok for America to Reneg on our Promise to the Afganistan People? ? ?

Who? We can't even save our southern states from the drug lords.

And if these people took a vote today, they would have us packing. It is a no win situation. Ask Russia who we had the idiocy of defeating in all places. We should have just butt out. But no. We like to get over involved.

Reneg on a promise? Wasn't ever ours to make.

[geauxtohell]

Foreign Policy has nothing to do with it. In both cases our Military were forced to retreat from the Battle Field and denied the Laurelss of Victory after they had won the battle that was asked of them. Foreign Policy that scrafices the young due to the whims of their leaders, just for political purposes, is typical Marxist Madness. This 'p'resident and congress are apparently ready to repeat this shabby history.

How can you say, with a straight face, that foreign policy has nothing to do with combat operations?

Finally, all war is an extension of politics, by other means.

Sorry to break the hard truth to you.

[free2B]

taliban ideology spawned such as obl and his minions, the 7th century philosophy of sharia and oppression and suppression and conquest, can not be a viable option for the thinking man or woman in the 21st century

[rhet 2]

How can you say, with a straight face, that foreign policy has nothing to do with combat operations?

Finally, all war is an extension of politics, by other means.

Sorry to break the hard truth to you.

Truth

War IS a diplomat's final and strongest argument -- totally political.

Sorry, Hippies. But you're absolutely wrong.

[repchick]

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U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida terrorists.

Haven't the libs told us time and time again ther was no al -Qaida in Iraq.:eek:

[Hereintheusa]

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U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of al-Qaida terrorists.

Haven't the libs told us time and time again ther was no al -Qaida in Iraq.:eek:

Actually no they didnt, I cant recall any prominent liberal saying AQ was never in Iraq.

[AmericanPower]

Gates is the man, but it's a lost cause. This really needs to be left to the Afghans.

The problem with leaving it to the Afghans? It was under their watch that the Taliban grew into what they were on 9/11.

[Hereintheusa]

The problem with leaving it to the Afghans? It was under their watch that the Taliban grew into what they were on 9/11.

We should have dealt with the Taliban when we had the opportunity. I supported the Iraq war but now I can see that we allowed ourselves to get sidetracked. We should have concentrated on Afghanistan and finished the Taliban off.

They are a far bigger threat with radical Islam than Saddam ever was.