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msny
March 8th, 2009, 11:28 am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506810,00.html

Karzai Welcomes Obama Call to Reach Out to Taliban
Sunday, March 08, 2009

KABUL — President Hamid Karzai on Sunday welcomed President Barack Obama's call to identify moderate elements of the Taliban and encourage them to reconcile with the Afghan government.

Obama's call "was good news because this has been the stand of the Afghan government," Karzai told a gymnasium full of Afghan women during a speech to commemorate International Women's Day.

Obama said in an interview with The New York Times published Sunday that there may be opportunities to reach out to moderates in the Taliban, but the situation in Afghanistan is more complicated than the challenges the American military faced in Iraq.

"There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and in the Pakistani region," Obama said, while cautioning that solutions in Afghanistan will be complicated.

U.S. troops were able to persuade Sunni Muslim insurgents in Iraq to cooperate in some instances because they had been alienated by the tactics of Al Qaeda terrorists.

Karzai warned that there are Taliban fighters who are beyond reconciliation — those who have joined with Al Qaeda, for instance. But he said talks should go forward "with those who are afraid to come back to their country, or who feel they have no choice but to stay with the Taliban for various reasons. They are welcome."

Obama cautioned that Afghanistan is a less-governed region than Iraq with a history of fierce independence among tribes, creating a tough set of circumstances for the United States to deal with.

Obama last month ordered 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan to bolster the record 38,000 American forces already in the country. Obama has promised to increase the U.S. focus on Afghanistan and away from Iraq, as the U.S. begins to draw down its forces there.

In the latest violence, a roadside blast killed a NATO service member and wounded two U.S. coalition members in eastern Afghanistan on Sunday, the NATO-led force said. The alliance did not disclose the troops' nationalities or the exact location of the attack, but the majority of troops in eastern Afghanistan are American.

Another roadside blast in central Ghazni province hit a police vehicle, killing three officers and wounding another three, said Ismail Jahangir, the spokesman for the provincial governor.

A joint Afghan-coalition patrol, meanwhile, killed two Afghan police officers late Friday who opened fire on their team in northeastern Kapisa province, the coalition said in a statement Sunday.

The joint patrol, which was on foot, attempted to identify themselves as friendly forces to the police without success, the statement said. "In self-defense, the patrol returned fire killing two individuals," it said.

The string of deaths continues an upward spike in violence that has spread throughout Afghanistan the last three years even as Obama's administration is trying to come up with a new approach to dealing with the Afghan war.

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Are we on the verge of surrender?
So will this end like Vietnam?
Iraq, now Afghanistan?

What say you?

My thoughts, how can you negotiate with evil, when that
evil wants you dead in the first place.

Amallek
March 8th, 2009, 11:32 am
No, it is not being lost. It was a mistake to call it a war and make everyone think it would end with a surrender on a battleship in the Indian Ocean. These situations cannot be won through military might - Bush proved that. They can only be won with a skillful combination of military power and artful diplomacy. That is what is finally starting to happen. Hopefully we can get substantially out of Afghanistan by the end of Obama's second term on terms better than the Russians had.

Oddball
March 8th, 2009, 11:38 am
The war on "terror(ism)" cannot now or ever be won, simply because you cannot defeat an enemy that defies quantification.

It is, however, a great strategy for a never-ending series of gubmint program, just like the war on the equally unquantifiable "poverty".

msny
March 8th, 2009, 11:43 am
No, it is not being lost. It was a mistake to call it a war and make everyone think it would end with a surrender on a battleship in the Indian Ocean. These situations cannot be won through military might - Bush proved that. They can only be won with a skillful combination of military power and artful diplomacy. That is what is finally starting to happen. Hopefully we can get substantially out of Afghanistan by the end of Obama's second term on terms better than the Russians had.

Then you have redefined "won" as surrender.

That makes no sense and in my view, it dishonors
our soldiers who have fought for victory from day one.

We should not repeat the Vietnam experience, and abandon
our principles.

We are now viewed as weak both economically and
militarily.

Its a sad day for America, that this bozo the clown,
pretender to the thrown wants to ruin America. I hope
some sensible Democrates oppose this crap for what it
is...crap.

Even FDR Democrates wanted victory over Germany...

Oddball
March 8th, 2009, 11:48 am
Even FDR Democrates wanted victory over Germany...Defeating the German army was a quantifiable goal.

Winning a "war" against a tactic and/or an emotion is a fool's errand.

msny
March 8th, 2009, 12:14 pm
Defeating the German army was a quantifiable goal.

Winning a "war" against a tactic and/or an emotion is a fool's errand.

Giving up our principles is also a quantifiable goal, that does not make it right either.

Oddball
March 8th, 2009, 12:18 pm
What principles, and who made them "ours"??

fjccommish
March 8th, 2009, 12:21 pm
"hey can only be won with a skillful combination of military power and artful diplomacy. That is what is finally starting to happen."

If diplomacy wasn't happening under Bush, then how is Obama copying the diplomacy that happened in Iraq under Bush?

BTW, under Bush we were already talking with some taliban in Afghanistan. At that time the libs said it was the wrong thing to do.

msny
March 8th, 2009, 12:25 pm
What principles, and who made them "ours"??

Hmmm...one only needs to read the Constitution, Bill
of Rights, and Declaration Of Independance.

These are our principles, that all enemies would like to
take away from us. But maybe, I'm naive to think you
already know about these things?...:rolleyes:

Oddball
March 8th, 2009, 12:36 pm
Why don't you just tell me "they hate us because they're evil" next?? :rolleyes:

Amallek
March 8th, 2009, 3:57 pm
Then you have redefined "won" as surrender.

That makes no sense and in my view, it dishonors
our soldiers who have fought for victory from day one.

We should not repeat the Vietnam experience, and abandon
our principles.

We are now viewed as weak both economically and
militarily.

Its a sad day for America, that this bozo the clown,
pretender to the thrown wants to ruin America. I hope
some sensible Democrates oppose this crap for what it
is...crap.

Even FDR Democrates wanted victory over Germany...


world war II was the last of the conventional wars. It is no longer about winning and losing. It is a question of how much you lose because you have to go to war. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan - none could be "won" they way you want to win a war. We went into Vietnam after the French had their heads handed to them, and got ours handed to us. We go to Afghanistan after the Russians got humiliated, and we expect a different result by trying to win with force? Forget it. I am glad our president is trying to actually stop wars, instead of start them.

Antrel
March 8th, 2009, 4:02 pm
AQ lost its function in Afghanistan, OEF-A was a military success. The problem is unrealistic, and unnecessary goals like eradicating the Taliban.

H-minus
March 8th, 2009, 4:05 pm
This is all so Nixonion.

Almost expect to hear 'Afghanization' next.

mark23
March 9th, 2009, 1:24 am
There is no "war on terror". Terror is just one tactic. The War is Islam vs. the world. Tactics of islam include terror, stelth Jihad, financial Jihad, and demographic jihad.