PROOF OF GOD: Complete Blindness

[Jacob_Rising]

Who would ever believe the stories in the Old Testament about the birth of the nation of Israel?

The Bible would have me believe that God talked to Moses and worked his miracles through Moses in the Midst of the Egyptians people.

The Bible would have me believe that God turned all of Egypt pitch black where the Egyptians were but daylight where Israel was.

The Bible would have me believe in all these Miraculous plagues.

Most outstanding of all which is unbelievable is that God parted the sea, and the sea built up tremendous walls of water while a million people walked dry shod through a dry path made in the ocean.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, Don't get me wrong.

I certainly believe in a God and I believe that God could have done all these miracles by the hands of Moses, I believe he could have parted the Ocean.

That's not the unbelievable part though, What follows after is the part that lacks any logic whatsoever.

I have a cumpulsive movie disorder where I have to watch a movie over and over until I figure out why logic fails, I have to find the fault in the scheme of things because somebody always makes a mistake.

Example- '' Dejavu'' With Denzel Washington.

I realized the flaw in this movie the second time I watched it.

It's a great movie, and if you haven't seen it, Get up and run to the movie store.

Denzel Washington goes back in time to save this pretty girl, but before he goes back in time, they commit the dumbest act in the movie.

They decide to send a piece of paper back in time first, and they decide to send that message to Denzel Washington who would know nothing about a time machine at that time.

It ruined the movie for me because I found the flaw and absence of logic.

If they were gonna send a note back, Logically, they would have sent it to themselves, The people who were running the time machine.

The movie stops being valid to me because it lacked logic, It was stupid for them to make us think that we would buy this one stupid event.

THAT'S WHAT GETS ME ABOUT THE LACK OF LOGIC IN PARTING THE SEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe that God did part the waters, I believe that mountains of waters stood straight up and stayed that way for a very long time, enough time for a million people to pass.

WHAT IS COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE: After the Egyptians witnessesed all the miracles God performed through Moses, That they would chase the Israelis through a dry path in the Ocean.

It just doesn't make sense to me, It never has until recently.

The Bible wants me to believe that these Egyptians witnesses all these miracles and that they were still so hard hearted and so blind lacking any Logic , THAT THEY FOOLISHLY CHASED ISRAEL INTO THE OCEAN.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

The proof of God is in the pudding right now in our current events.

The nations, all toungues, groups, races and peoples by the millions are Just as blind and illogical as these same stupid Egyptians that followed Israel into the sea.

Genisis 14:13 And Moses said to the people,'' DO NOT BE AFRAID''. STAND STILL, AND SEE THE SALVATION OF THE LORD. ....For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall no more see again forever.

God has told us in the scriptures time and time and time and time again, that he will bring all nations against Israel so that he can come and fight for them.

BUT HOW MANY CHRISTIANS ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WHO ARE AGAINST ISRAEL, AND WHO HATE ISRAEL?

The complete blindess that the world and all the nations are showing torwards Israel should be enough to convince anybody that there is a God and it is the God of Israel.

Congradulations, We have arived, all nations are now against Israel in my opinion and it is such a complete blindness, and lacking complete logic but it is nonetheless true.

We have finally outdone any stupidity that the Egyptians could have ever committed in a thousand lifetimes.

We have now become so stupid in chasing Israel that we are willing to chase them like idiots right into a trap.

We have just given a billion dollars to Palistine and earmarked 300 million for Hamas.

We have allready been through this a hundred times.

The entire world gave billions upon billions of dollars years ago to make Palistine a garden of eden, To establish a society free of any other religion, free of any Jew, free of any Christian, free of any Hindu. Pretty much the most racist society I can possibly imagine.

But what did they do with all these Billions of dollars?

Instead of building an even Racist society, They chose to continue war, why stop now, that's what they get paid for,Terrorism?

Now after Israel takes in over 6000 missles in the last few years, Israel finally goes to war trying to defend their right to live.

America, Secretary of State Clinton, and the whole world are talking about the cruelty of Israel.

And as Americans, WE just happened to be obligated to rebuild Palistine, and no matter how many times it will be destroyed, we are obligated to rebuild it.

But it never gets rebuilt does it?

Everyone allready well knows what that billion bucks is going for that we just handed over to the biggest world famous named Terrorist organization in the world.

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE, THE SHEER BLINDNESS PROVES THAT GOD IS A FACT.

HE WROTE IT DOWN MANY, MANY TIMES EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

''I WILL BRING ALL NATIONS AGAINST ISRAEL''

WE ARE THERE!

THE BLINDNESS IS SO COMPLETE THAT WE ARE NOW ENGAGED IN THE WAR AGAINST ISRAEL.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU THINK IT MEANS WHEN WE ARM THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL?

NO ATHIEST CAN LOOK ME IN THE EYES AND TELL ME THAT THIS DOESN'T PROVE THE GOD OF ISRAEL.

Not only won't we allow Israel to destroy Iran's{ Our biggest enemy} Nuclear capabilities, But now we are arming Israel's enemies who are the same enemies we are fighting in Global terror.

We have Now entered the dry path in the Ocean chasing Israel into the ocean and I'm very afraid for America and for any civil society out there.

Sheer and utter Blindness, Nothing less, It was foretold and it has happened.

All nations are against Israel no matter how illogical it is.

'' The Egyptians whom you see now, you will see no more again forever.''

That is very frightning.

[RedheadedTexan]

And they will stay blind until the day Christ returns.

[PercyVere]

The bible is true cos it says so.

[Jacob_Rising]

The bible is true cos it says so.
No it's not because it says so, It's because it's the original.

I'm just guessing but it's like 99.9 of the people in the world believe in a God.

I would guess that 80 percent of the people who believe in God are of the 3 Major religions.

But only one is the original, Because there is no Quaran, or New Testament withought the Law and the Prophets.

The Bible is the foundation of the 3 major religions and so, to 80 percent of the people who believe in the 3 major religions, These people no matter how they resist, must testify that the bible is true.

Or else you lose the majority of all the people who believe in a God.

To the People who don't believe in a God, It doesn't matter because nothing is true to them.

[TaylorW65]

No it's not because it says so, It's because it's the original.

I'm just guessing but it's like 99.9 of the people in the world believe in a God.

I would guess that 80 percent of the people who believe in God are of the 3 Major religions.

But only one is the original, Because there is no Quaran, or New Testament withought the Law and the Prophets.

The Bible is the foundation of the 3 major religions and so, to 80 percent of the people who believe in the 3 major religions, These people no matter how they resist, must testify that the bible is true.

Or else you lose the majority of all the people who believe in a God.

To the People who don't believe in a God, It doesn't matter because nothing is true to them.

I know many Christians who have strong faith yet they don't view the Bible as being literally true. I am not a Biblical literalist.

I think the Bible has spiritual truth but I don't take all the events described within as being stories of actual historical events. Sure, some historical events are in the Bible but not all stories are historically accurate.

The Genesis creations tories are not actual history not is Noah and the Ark actual history.

[PercyVere]

No it's not because it says so, It's because it's the original.

I'm just guessing but it's like 99.9 of the people in the world believe in a God.

I would guess that 80 percent of the people who believe in God are of the 3 Major religions.

But only one is the original, Because there is no Quaran, or New Testament withought the Law and the Prophets.

The Bible is the foundation of the 3 major religions and so, to 80 percent of the people who believe in the 3 major religions, These people no matter how they resist, must testify that the bible is true.

Or else you lose the majority of all the people who believe in a God.

To the People who don't believe in a God, It doesn't matter because nothing is true to them.I have no belief in god for the simple reason that truth matters to me, even if the truth is a little uncomfortable.

[terri910]

I have no belief in god for the simple reason that truth matters to me, even if the truth is a little uncomfortable.
Interestingly, that reason is the same for many that believe in God!

[PercyVere]

Interestingly, that reason is the same for many that believe in God!Yep, I can see how that would be the case, except I don't agree that belief in God puts you in an uncomfortable position ... quite the opposite in fact.

[Amallek]

The bible is true cos it says so.

Cheney and Bush used the same logic. How did that work out for ya?

[Chuangtzu]

I see only proof that you're able to read text in a manner favorable to your pre-existing outlook and worldview.

[Snagglepuss]

Yep, I can see how that would be the case, except I don't agree that belief in God puts you in an uncomfortable position ... quite the opposite in fact.
I can think of several scenarios where a belief in God can put one in an uncomfortable position....

[lwdc]

I can think of several scenarios where a belief in God can put one in an uncomfortable position....+1 x 1000%

[PercyVere]

I can think of several scenarios where a belief in God can put one in an uncomfortable position....I'm all ears and open to ideas ...

[Snagglepuss]

I'm all ears and open to ideas ...Do you believe that all believers in God look forward to, or even desire an afterlife?

[PercyVere]

Cheney and Bush used the same logic. How did that work out for ya?Horribly.

[PercyVere]

Do you believe that all believers in God look forward to, or even desire an afterlife?I beleive that, in general, a belief in the afterlife is comforting, even if you are not fully convinced you are destined for heaven.

[lwdc]

I'm all ears and open to ideas ...Credit goes to RayMan for citing this passage in another thread:

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

- Luke 18The tax collector was uncomfortable, almost inconsolable, in his position as a sinner before a righteous God.

[Snagglepuss]

I beleive that, in general, a belief in the afterlife is comforting, even if you are not fully convinced you are destined for heaven.
You are speaking to a believer that would much rather that life be the end of existence. How do I fit in with your stated belief?

Further, several believers believe in a fire and brimstone type Hell (I am not of this type). Why on earth would they find the prospect of an afterlife even remotely comforting if they felt they might not be headed to Heaven?

[lwdc]

I'm all ears and open to ideas ...Here is another:

4 He said to Simon, “Launch out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch.”
5 But Simon answered and said to Him, “Master, we have toiled all night and caught nothing; nevertheless at Your word I will let down the net.” 6 And when they had done this, they caught a great number of fish, and their net was breaking. 7 So they signaled to their partners in the other boat to come and help them. And they came and filled both the boats, so that they began to sink. 8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!”

- Luke 5Simon Peter was more than just "uncomfortable" when he believed he was in the presence of God.

[PercyVere]

The tax collector was uncomfortable, almost inconsolable, in his position as a sinner before a righteous God.Yep, but the implication is that his life will be better if he now turns to god. True?

[PercyVere]

You are speaking to a believer that would much rather that life be the end of existence. How do I fit in with your stated belief.I don't know enough about your viewpoint to comment. Tell me more.

There are always people out there with non-conforming viewpoints. That is a good thing. However, that fact says nothing about another fact ... human beings invented religion as a means of coping with a very complex and scary reality. It brought them comfort, and to their minds, it explained the world around them.

[lwdc]

Yep, but the implication is that his life will be better if he now turns to god. True?No.

He was uncomfortable because he had already accepted the fact that God was in his life.

Were he an unbeliever, he would not have been so upset about being sinful. He would have had no reason to be upset or even uncomfortable about it.

[PercyVere]

Here is another:
Simon Peter was more than just "uncomfortable" when he believed he was in the presence of God.Do you have any real world, modern day examples?

[lwdc]

Do you have any real world, modern day examples?Yes, definitely.

I will defer to the OP to respond to that, drawing from his experiences.

[Snagglepuss]

I don't know enough about your viewpoint to comment. Tell me more.

There are always people out there with non-conforming viewpoints. That is a good thing. However, that fact says nothing about another fact ... human beings invented religion as a means of coping with a very complex and scary reality. It brought them comfort, and to their minds, it explained the world around them.
What else is there to tell? It would be my preference that death would be the end. The idea of living forever makes me very uncomfortable, regardless of the circumstances.

And you never really answered my second question.

Further, you are using the word "fact" a bit ....liberally.

[PercyVere]

No.

He was uncomfortable because he had already accepted the fact that God was in his life.

Were he an unbeliever, he would not have been so upset about being sinful. He would have had no reason to be upset or even uncomfortable about it.Isn't this why Christians do good deeds? Out of fear of god? But if they truly believe in god and love him, then they are brough great comfort.

Belief in a big, cuddly god, a god who will punish evil, is a comforting concept, even if that god is a fearsome being.

[Snagglepuss]

Isn't this why Christians do good deeds? Out of fear of god? But if they truly believe in god and love him, then they are brough great comfort.

Belief in a big, cuddly god, a god who will punish evil, is a comforting concept, even if that god is a fearsome being.
"Cuddly" and "fearsome" are not adjectives well suited for each other...

[PercyVere]

Do you believe that all believers in God look forward to, or even desire an afterlife?The vast majority ... yes, certainly. All, no ... there are always going to be some exceptions.

Satisfied?

[Snagglepuss]

The vast majority ... yes, certainly. All, no ... there are always going to be some exceptions.

Satisfied?I don't know....are you now satisfied that there are indeed circumstances where a belief in God can cause discomfort, contrary to your original supposition?

[PercyVere]

"Cuddly" and "fearsome" are not adjectives well suited for each other...That's pretty much god though. He loves us all, but commit one of any number of obscure wrongs, you will be done for, Leviticus-style.

It's possible to be a cuddly and fearsome human being ... a gentle giant dad, might be a fearsome person if crossed in the wrong way.

[lwdc]

Isn't this why Christians do good deeds? Out of fear of god?To some extent, yes. But if they truly believe in god and love him, then they are brough great comfort.Yes, that too.

Is that hard to understand? Would not sons and daughters who love their father also fear their father if he had disciplined them growing up, but also feel comfort as they get older in knowing that they have a great dad?

Belief in a big, cuddly god, a god who will punish evil, is a comforting concept, even if that god is a fearsome being.Likewise is the belief in a righteous God who punishes evil. But that concept also makes people uncomfortable.

[Snagglepuss]

That's pretty much god though. He loves us all, but commit one of any number of obscure wrongs, you will be done for, Leviticus-style.

It's possible to be a cuddly and fearsome human being ... a gentle giant dad, might be a fearsome person if crossed in the wrong way.
I never said that the two adjectives were impossible to use together. I was merely making a tongue-in-cheek statement pointing out an improbable combination. I suppose I should have used the ;) to make my point a bit clearer.

Additionally, not all who believe in God believe he is ready to thrust people straight into the fires of Hell at the slightest offence.

[PercyVere]

Additionally, not all who believe in God believe he is ready to thrust people straight into the fires of Hell at the slightest offence.No one would question that there are all shades of belief in all sorts of gods, and such has been the case throughout history.

[Snagglepuss]

No one would question that there are all shades of belief in all sorts of gods, and such has been the case throughout history.

And yet you made a fairly definitive statement as to what you believe our concept of God to be...

[Snagglepuss]

Anywhoo...you asked, I answered, and now I'm off to bed. You can continue to take comfort in your belief that the only reason believers exist is that they receive comfort from their beliefs if you choose. But you should know that it is a hollow belief. ;)

And with that...I'm off to bed.

[PercyVere]

And yet you made a fairly definitive statement as to what you believe our concept of God to be...About Christians? Yes, a general statement that is generally true.

Play the semantic game if you want, but I'm off to bed, so you can play on your own.

[PercyVere]

You can continue to take comfort in your belief that the only reason believers exist is that they receive comfort from their beliefs if you choose.Now who's making assumptions?

[terri910]

Yep, I can see how that would be the case, except I don't agree that belief in God puts you in an uncomfortable position ... quite the opposite in fact.
But....as you don't believe in God, it is entirely possibly you don't know everything all believers feel.

[terri910]

I can think of several scenarios where a belief in God can put one in an uncomfortable position....
Same here. More than a few times.

[stoked]

I don't know what's getting worse day by day, the blindness or the overt deception. It's just sick enough to signal our end of time here.

[PercyVere]

But....as you don't believe in God, it is entirely possibly you don't know everything all believers feel.However, as an outsider, I can form objective opinions on religion, opinions that might be difficult for believers to formulate.

[Meriweather]

However, as an outsider, I can form objective opinions on religion, opinions that might be difficult for believers to formulate.

If I were to go to New York, I would seek out the objective opinion of someone who actually lived there and knew all the ins and outs of the place. As interesting as an outside Oregonian's "objective" opinion of New York might be, it is of lesser value to me.

Where your opinion works best for me is your objectiveness in the area you know best, which is outside religion. That I can value and respect.

[smyrna]

However, as an outsider, I can form objective opinions on religion, opinions that might be difficult for believers to formulate.

Think about what you just said...at one time, we were all outsiders. Under your umbrella of 'objective opinion' some became believers.

[Snagglepuss]

Now who's making assumptions?
*sigh*

And I even used the ;) emoticon...

Ah well...some people just don't get my sense of humor. :neutral:

[Meriweather]

*sigh*

And I even used the ;) emoticon...

Ah well...some people just don't get my sense of humor. :neutral:


Perhaps we can form a club: The "No One Gets My Sense of Humor" Club. There are two of us already. What do you think? Should we draw up a list of qualifications?

[terri910]

However, as an outsider, I can form objective opinions on religion, opinions that might be difficult for believers to formulate.
We weren't talking about religion, were we? We were talking about how the truth matters to us, even if the truth is a little uncomfortable.

For some reason, you seem to think that you know better than those who believe in God, whether or not the truth as we know it may put us in an uncomfortable position -- or, to keep the context entirely accurate, "a little uncomfortable."

When other believers respond that they agree with me, and not your assessment of how we feel, rather than accept the truth of our words (i.e., "all ears and open to ideas") you apparently figure you know us better than we know ourselves.

It rather makes one wonder exactly who is more accepting of "uncomfortable" truth..... :think:

[HardHammer]

However, as an outsider, I can form objective opinions on religion, opinions that might be difficult for believers to formulate.

The difficultty is not in the formulation, but the accute sin associated to that which is not in the Will of God.

To introspectively formulate what YOU believe to be fact, does not predicate YOUR belief to be fact.

We're all outsiders at one point, outside of the Will of God, it is not until we hear His Word that we can begin to know Him.

Ephesians 1:13-14 (New King James Version)

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

[Jacob_Rising]

Yes, definitely.

I will defer to the OP to respond to that, drawing from his experiences.I'm trying to follow the conversation but I am a little slow.

Does the belief in God make some people feel uncomfortable?

It certainly does in my case, I would estimate that there is a great percentage of people who feel very uncormfortable like myself.

I wished to God that I would never started studying the bible in the first place and I wished to God that My mother had never drilled religion in me.

Some people walk around their whole entire lives absolutely miserable BECAUSE they believe in God.

Every room you walk into you distance yourself from people because you know they are better than you.

I don't much go out in public anymore because I'm scared of taking my eyes off the floor.

All of my imagination are evil, Everyday I do something that I feel I should be whipped, tortured and killed for.

Yesterday some poor girl called on the phone at the wrong time and I was like a monster to her. The rest of the day and this morning I'm hoping she will call back so's I can apologize.

It's a very sad thing when you realize that you can't find all the people you have hurt to apologize to them.

If I were completely selfish, I would wish that there was no God at all, I wished I didn't believe in God.

I tried suicide the first time at age 5 because I knew I was going to hell, They had to pump my stomach after I swallowed 100 pills.

Religion has brought me nothing more than madness, delusions, and regret all my life from my earliest memories.

I don't think I'm going to hell but I don't believe I'll be in the kingdom of God either, I'm not an overcomer.

The Only reason I'm glad there is a God is because I do expect justice to take place.

When God comes to fight for Israel for what all the world has done to them, I'm going to point and say,'' I told you so''

They are the only nation in history that all nations have hated at one time.

All nations are against them, It makes them unique.

There does need to be justice for them.

Please, Nobody try to tell me I'm a good guy, You do not know me.

[Jacob_Rising]

I know many Christians who have strong faith yet they don't view the Bible as being literally true. I am not a Biblical literalist.

I think the Bible has spiritual truth but I don't take all the events described within as being stories of actual historical events. Sure, some historical events are in the Bible but not all stories are historically accurate.

The Genesis creations tories are not actual history not is Noah and the Ark actual history.There are over 700 different names for Noah found all over the world.

In most all these cases, The first man remembered to have lived was Noah because their first stories are of a single man and his family being lone survivors.

This can only mean two things.

# 1 The flood happened because of the fact you can find it amongst most any country.

# 2 A regional flood happened and it traces all mankind back to that very small region.

In either case, The flood is proved because if it's number two, it means that you can trace all mankind back to the same small region and how could that possibly be?

If evolution took place then humans would have been all over the world.

How would you explain all mankind being traced back to one very small region without a flood and global death?

But those stories don't have to be true at all, what matters is what they point to.

The bible points to one outcome.

The whole world tries to kill Israel, they are exiled for a very long time and then made a nation again.

Their coming out of a Egypt becoming a nation only points to them coming out of a global Egypt and again becoming a nation and everyone who fights against them, they will see no more again forever.

Everyone has allready forgotten about 9-11 but at the time it was extreemly traumatizing and extreemly frightning.

Everyone has forgotten the Holocaust in the same way, it was traumatizing to the entire world just to see what happened to those poor people.

In 1850 a.d. If you would have asked the whole world if Israel had any chance of becoming a nation again, The whole world would have said no.

But the Holocaust was so traumatizing and so frightning that the world did something that could never have been done without the Holocaust happening.

They helped Israel become a nation again, without the Holocaust it was impossible.

[flowercopter]

There are over 700 different names for Noah found all over the world.

In most all these cases, The first man remembered to have lived was Noah because their first stories are of a single man and his family being lone survivors.

This can only mean two things.

# 1 The flood happened because of the fact you can find it amongst most any country.

# 2 A regional flood happened and it traces all mankind back to that very small region.

In either case, The flood is proved because if it's number two, it means that you can trace all mankind back to the same small region and how could that possibly be?

If evolution took place then humans would have been all over the world.

How would you explain all mankind being traced back to one very small region without a flood and global death?

But those stories don't have to be true at all, what matters is what they point to.

The bible points to one outcome.

The whole world tries to kill Israel, they are exiled for a very long time and then made a nation again.

Their coming out of a Egypt becoming a nation only points to them coming out of a global Egypt and again becoming a nation and everyone who fights against them, they will see no more again forever.

Everyone has allready forgotten about 9-11 but at the time it was extreemly traumatizing and extreemly frightning.

Everyone has forgotten the Holocaust in the same way, it was traumatizing to the entire world just to see what happened to those poor people.

In 1850 a.d. If you would have asked the whole world if Israel had any chance of becoming a nation again, The whole world would have said no.

But the Holocaust was so traumatizing and so frightning that the world did something that could never have been done without the Holocaust happening.

They helped Israel become a nation again, without the Holocaust it was impossible.


are you familier with Zermatism? It might just be the mad ramblings of an eccentric genious for you!

[Meriweather]

I'm trying to follow the conversation but I am a little slow.

Does the belief in God make some people feel uncomfortable?

It certainly does in my case, I would estimate that there is a great percentage of people who feel very uncormfortable like myself.

I wished to God that I would never started studying the bible in the first place and I wished to God that My mother had never drilled religion in me.

....

Please, Nobody try to tell me I'm a good guy, You do not know me.

You are my brother. Jacob, maybe my story will help you, although it took place many years ago when I was a teenager. Imagine a teenager who was on the school honor roll, held down a job, bought her own clothes, took care of her younger brothers and sisters...but whose mother absolutely detested her--to the point of trying to put her into foster care. Then I got hold of a Bible passage which (I thought) described me well--and how God absolutely detested people like me. In both instances, Mother and God, I knew it couldn't be what I was DOING, I was doing all of that so well--therefore it had to be who I WAS/am.

Even as a teenager I knew God cared about me (He was God, He had to), but I questioned why He had given me the talents He had if He despised them. The only thing that made sense at that point is that God had set Himself a challenge to make the most unlovable person ever and then try to love her. He had made someone not even a mother could love.

I decided God and I needed to have a chat. I told Him I had free will, and I was NOT going to stand for this--He had to re-create me over into someone He could love. Ever feel God trying hard not to laugh? I thought it was because I was determined to give Him orders, but I've re-thought that since then. The communication I got back was pretty much, Creation is an ongoing activity--and I could become co-creator of the person I wished God (and Mother) to love.

I eventually did get back to the Bible and Bible Study (it helped me understand the passage that had prompted all of this). But Jacob--sweetheart--these (your life) are your Bible times. Sometimes one really must lay the Bible aside and concentrate on the creation of one's own self and one's own life.

If you are someone you don't think you, God, or others in this world can/should accept, remember that you are co-creator--and that your Partner is Awesome. Together there is time for the both of you to create a marvelous being. I think the foundation for that work has already been laid. Construction can be a messy business, and the bigger the mansion, the bigger the mess building. I think you may well become a castle.

[TaylorW65]

You are my brother. Jacob, maybe my story will help you, although it took place many years ago when I was a teenager. Imagine a teenager who was on the school honor roll, held down a job, bought her own clothes, took care of her younger brothers and sisters...but whose mother absolutely detested her--to the point of trying to put her into foster care. Then I got hold of a Bible passage which (I thought) described me well--and how God absolutely detested people like me. In both instances, Mother and God, I knew it couldn't be what I was DOING, I was doing all of that so well--therefore it had to be who I WAS/am.

Even as a teenager I knew God cared about me (He was God, He had to), but I questioned why He had given me the talents He had if He despised them. The only thing that made sense at that point is that God had set Himself a challenge to make the most unlovable person ever and then try to love her. He had made someone not even a mother could love.

I decided God and I needed to have a chat. I told Him I had free will, and I was NOT going to stand for this--He had to re-create me over into someone He could love. Ever feel God trying hard not to laugh? I thought it was because I was determined to give Him orders, but I've re-thought that since then. The communication I got back was pretty much, Creation is an ongoing activity--and I could become co-creator of the person I wished God (and Mother) to love.

I eventually did get back to the Bible and Bible Study (it helped me understand the passage that had prompted all of this). But Jacob--sweetheart--these (your life) are your Bible times. Sometimes one really must lay the Bible aside and concentrate on the creation of one's own self and one's own life.

If you are someone you don't think you, God, or others in this world can/should accept, remember that you are co-creator--and that your Partner is Awesome. Together there is time for the both of you to create a marvelous being. I think the foundation for that work has already been laid. Construction can be a messy business, and the bigger the mansion, the bigger the mess building. I think you may well become a castle.
I just want to say i really loved your testimony. It was beautiful.

[Jacob_Rising]

You are my brother. Jacob, maybe my story will help you, although it took place many years ago when I was a teenager. Imagine a teenager who was on the school honor roll, held down a job, bought her own clothes, took care of her younger brothers and sisters...but whose mother absolutely detested her--to the point of trying to put her into foster care. Then I got hold of a Bible passage which (I thought) described me well--and how God absolutely detested people like me. In both instances, Mother and God, I knew it couldn't be what I was DOING, I was doing all of that so well--therefore it had to be who I WAS/am.

Even as a teenager I knew God cared about me (He was God, He had to), but I questioned why He had given me the talents He had if He despised them. The only thing that made sense at that point is that God had set Himself a challenge to make the most unlovable person ever and then try to love her. He had made someone not even a mother could love.

I decided God and I needed to have a chat. I told Him I had free will, and I was NOT going to stand for this--He had to re-create me over into someone He could love. Ever feel God trying hard not to laugh? I thought it was because I was determined to give Him orders, but I've re-thought that since then. The communication I got back was pretty much, Creation is an ongoing activity--and I could become co-creator of the person I wished God (and Mother) to love.

I eventually did get back to the Bible and Bible Study (it helped me understand the passage that had prompted all of this). But Jacob--sweetheart--these (your life) are your Bible times. Sometimes one really must lay the Bible aside and concentrate on the creation of one's own self and one's own life.

If you are someone you don't think you, God, or others in this world can/should accept, remember that you are co-creator--and that your Partner is Awesome. Together there is time for the both of you to create a marvelous being. I think the foundation for that work has already been laid. Construction can be a messy business, and the bigger the mansion, the bigger the mess building. I think you may well become a castle.I feel so sad that your mother was like that.

When a parent doesn't like their own child, there is no hiding it.

You know how I feel about you Meri.

I would estimate and be most likely correct in saying that you are the not only the most careing kind person in this forum, But Your sweet disposition and bedside manner in dealing with people is way above 99 percent of the world.

Now that I know what you went through as a child & teenager, I can understand why your so sweet.

You don't run across genuine people who sincerely love their neighbor without having been through sincere hard hardships.

Like you said, you are a creature that is made through trials and expeirences.

I am known for being the most mean child anyone had ever seen.

I was a worthless teenager, grew up rich.

I did have a bad childhood and there was only one thing that made it better, It was knowing how much my mother loved me.

Your mother reminds me of my exwife, There is no explaining why a parent for some reason doesn't like their child.

I excuse her many times because I know that she can't help it.

There is no hiding it either, The best actor in the world couldn't pull it off and the child knows it.

But there is a big difference between you and I Meri.

I have hurt alot of people and I continue to hurt people and there isn't much I can do about it.

I act from the flesh all the time.

Cain always wins the battle inside me.

Some poor girl woke me up at 8 am yesterday and I cursed her and probably made her cry.

It could have been you Meri.

It's just not right being unkind and I believe in a God of justice and mercy.

I should have been horse whipped for what I said to that girl and that's just all there is to it.

That stuff happens all the time Meri.

How do you atone for something like that when you can't even find the people and apologize?

If you and I were standing together and somebody talked to you like I talked to that girl, Man they would be in trouble.

But at least I would had made them pay for their misdeeds right there and then, They would have apologized, no doubt about it.

Maybe I should have a keeper.

Justice does need to be served.

[Gem]

I feel so sad that your mother was like that.

When a parent doesn't like their own child, there is no hiding it.

You know how I feel about you Meri.

I would estimate and be most likely correct in saying that you are the not only the most careing kind person in this forum, But Your sweet disposition and bedside manner in dealing with people is way above 99 percent of the world.

Now that I know what you went through as a child & teenager, I can understand why your so sweet.

You don't run across genuine people who sincerely love their neighbor without having been through sincere hard hardships.

Like you said, you are a creature that is made through trials and expeirences.

I am known for being the most mean child anyone had ever seen.

I was a worthless teenager, grew up rich.

I did have a bad childhood and there was only one thing that made it better, It was knowing how much my mother loved me.

Your mother reminds me of my exwife, There is no explaining why a parent for some reason doesn't like their child.

I excuse her many times because I know that she can't help it.

There is no hiding it either, The best actor in the world couldn't pull it off and the child knows it.

But there is a big difference between you and I Meri.

I have hurt alot of people and I continue to hurt people and there isn't much I can do about it.

I act from the flesh all the time.

Cain always wins the battle inside me.

Some poor girl woke me up at 8 am yesterday and I cursed her and probably made her cry.

It could have been you Meri.

It's just not right being unkind and I believe in a God of justice and mercy.

I should have been horse whipped for what I said to that girl and that's just all there is to it.

That stuff happens all the time Meri.

How do you atone for something like that when you can't even find the people and apologize?

If you and I were standing together and somebody talked to you like I talked to that girl, Man they would be in trouble.

But at least I would had made them pay for their misdeeds right there and then, They would have apologized, no doubt about it.

Maybe I should have a keeper.

Justice does need to be served.

Jacob,
From reading your post I would say you have a big battle going on inside you between God and Satan.

God wants to save you and He cant because you are holding on to somethings that you need to let go of, but for some reason you cant turn those things loose.

Jacob, You could be an awesome tool for God to use.
Go to a quite place and think your life through.
Find out within your self what it is that you wont let go of.
Then pray and ask God to help you with these things.
He wants to help you so you have to let go and let Him do His work in you.

Only you know what those things are, no one else does.
If you don't then God is going to loose this battle between you and Satan. God can not do His work in you because of these things.

Jacob, God loves you and He does not want to loose you, but He can't do the work on you He wants to do because of the things you will not let go of.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
I surely hope you don't take this the wrong way.
But this is what I feel about your situation you are describing here.

[Jacob_Rising]

are you familier with Zermatism? It might just be the mad ramblings of an eccentric genious for you!
No I had not heard of him before.

:D I did look it up though, YETTI huh?

I'm not surprized at his conclusion to tracing all mankind back because you have to arrive at this conclusion no matter where you come from, no matter which road leads you to this conclusion.

I don't know if Evolution happened or didn't happen, I'm not saying it didn't.

But the obvious questions are right there that lead people to believe that all mankind can be traced back to a small region.

There is no denying the common threads that bind the world together.

This year as every year in Egypt, they will carry the boat of Osirus in the streets because he is supposedly the father and oldest person in the world to them.

His name mean,'' Taken from the water'' and the book of the dead will show you his culture and his history where he was taken from the water.

2000 years ago Josephus Flavius proved from the words of manetho that Moses was called ,'' Osirus''

Moses was taken from the water and thus he was called Osirus.

So not only is the Egyptian culture based on a perverted worship of Noah, But it also proves Israel's plight in Egypt.

No where you go in the world, you come back to Noah.

The knowledge found of him in just about all cultures could not be that they were living in North America and heard of his fame.

The same story proves that all men come from him because there are no other beginnings.

When you look into Myan cultures there isn't anyone in the world who can seperate them from the Egyptians because of their common beliefs.

You look on the last page of the Dresdon codex of the mayans and your gonna find their flood right there.

We know that these Mayans shared in the same common beliefs as Egyptians and in the same deluge story.

How did they come by this knowledge?

Either the Egyptians came from them or they came from the Egyptians.

No matter where it's at in the world, cultures do share common stories that do trace them back and binds them together.

[TaylorW65]

Jacob,
From reading your post I would say you have a big battle going on inside you between God and Satan.

God wants to save you and He cant because you are holding on to somethings that you need to let go of, but for some reason you cant turn those things loose.

Jacob, You could be an awesome tool for God to use.
Go to a quite place and think your life through.
Find out within your self what it is that you wont let go of.
Then pray and ask God to help you with these things.
He wants to help you so you have to let go and let Him do His work in you.

Only you know what those things are, no one else does.
If you don't then God is going to loose this battle between you and Satan. God can not do His work in you because of these things.

Jacob, God loves you and He does not want to loose you, but He can't do the work on you He wants to do because of the things you will not let go of.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
I surely hope you don't take this the wrong way.
But this is what I feel about your situation you are describing here.


As a therapist I would say Jacob is suffering from depression with low self esteem and possibly what some have called Toxic shame which is a severe form of self-hatred. He internalized his mother's hatred and is directing it at himself.

The problem with blaming Satan is that Jacob can continue feeling like a victim and won't have to look inward at himself and see his role in his problems.

[Jacob_Rising]

Jacob,
From reading your post I would say you have a big battle going on inside you between God and Satan.

God wants to save you and He cant because you are holding on to somethings that you need to let go of, but for some reason you cant turn those things loose.

Jacob, You could be an awesome tool for God to use.
Go to a quite place and think your life through.
Find out within your self what it is that you wont let go of.
Then pray and ask God to help you with these things.
He wants to help you so you have to let go and let Him do His work in you.

Only you know what those things are, no one else does.
If you don't then God is going to loose this battle between you and Satan. God can not do His work in you because of these things.

Jacob, God loves you and He does not want to loose you, but He can't do the work on you He wants to do because of the things you will not let go of.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
I surely hope you don't take this the wrong way.
But this is what I feel about your situation you are describing here.
Your exactly correct Gem, It's obvious.

It's a huge battle that I am losing and the sad thing is that I know myself, I know that even if I do change it's not going to be enough and it's just about too late.

That's what suks, My knowing.:D

It's ok , I accepted it a few years ago.

I know my sins.

[TaylorW65]

Your exactly correct Gem, It's obvious.

It's a huge battle that I am losing and the sad thing is that I know myself, I know that even if I do change it's not going to be enough and it's just about too late.

That's what suks, My knowing.:D

It's ok , I accepted it a few years ago.

I know my sins.

Have you ever tried therapy?

[Gem]

As a therapist I would say Jacob is suffering from depression with low self esteem and possibly what some have called Toxic shame which is a severe form of self-hatred. He internalized his mother's hatred and is directing it at himself.

The problem with blaming Satan is that Jacob can continue feeling like a victim and won't have to look inward at himself and see his role in his problems.

He really needs to see his role in himself. and stop putting the blame on himself.
And he really needs to lay that down at the alter and give them to God. It is never to late unless you don't want to help yourself.

And if you don't want to help yourself then that puts a stop on God from helping you.

I think we all should pray for Jacob that God will do a miracle with him. nothing is impossible with God. but God will not cross Jacobs free will unless Jacob lets him. I don;t believe Jacob has done anything so bad that God can't take care of it if Jacob will let him.

[TaylorW65]

He really needs to see his role in himself. and stop putting the blame on himself.
And he really needs to lay that down at the alter and give them to God. It is never to late unless you don't want to help yourself.

And if you don't want to help yourself then that puts a stop on God from helping you.

I think we all should pray for Jacob that God will do a miracle with him. nothing is impossible with God. but God will not cross Jacobs free will unless Jacob lets him. I don;t believe Jacob has done anything so bad that God can't take care of it if Jacob will let him.

I completely agree. Jacob is battling self hatred and he really needs to find away to stop his self hatred. I think turning to God is an excellent way to go about learning to find inner peace and the love from God.

A Catholic priest once told me this prayer. Dear Lord please give to me today some of the love you have for me for I don't seem to have any right now.

[Meriweather]

I fail, Jacob--I fail all of the time. I just don't let it stop me. (It is sometimes a cause of further chagrin: "Oh, no! God help us! She's trying again!")

You ask how you can atone.

If you were unkind to an unsuspecting stranger, then you owe a kindness to an unsuspecting stranger. If harsh words were spoken, you must look for an opportunity to speak gentle words. That opportunity might not come for weeks, days, years.

Learn from your experience and plan for the next time. For example, the next time you get that unwanted 8 a.m. call, plan to gently hang up without saying a word. (Saying nothing at all is a good start, wouldn't you say?)

The emotions you are feeling over that phone call, are a good thing, a guiding force. They are meant to point you in a direction of your choice, not beat and whip you until you cannot act at all.

You wrote kind words to me, that is an atonement. Maybe you will smile at someone today. That is another atonement. You have told this entire board you wish to do better. Atonement.

You are forgiven. You know this. :hug: Be well, Jacob.

[Jacob_Rising]

Have you ever tried therapy?My problems might seem complicated but it's not at all.

It's very simple, I'm insane.

That's exactly what's wrong with me.

My natural instict, and response is insane, I know this.

It's not that I'm an unkind person at all and alot of people would tell you I'm the kindest person they ever met.

My problem is remembering my insanity before I open my mouth.

If I just had somebody reminding me that I'm insane every hour, I would be fine.

I'm a creature of habit and my first response is always revenge or anger when I'm irritated with whomever I'm talking to.

So my response comes from my evil side before I can realize my insanity.

I've been thinking about getting a tattoo on my forehead written backwards saying, '' Your insane remember'', so that I could read it in the mirror every morning.

I just forget, that's all.

I just forget how to act in love everytime somebody Pises me off.

My first response is to slap back and it shouldn't be.

All I need is a constant reminder

[TaylorW65]

My problems might seem complicated but it's not at all.

It's very simple, I'm insane.

That's exactly what's wrong with me.

My natural instict, and response is insane, I know this.

It's not that I'm an unkind person at all and alot of people would tell you I'm the kindest person they ever met.

My problem is remembering my insanity before I open my mouth.

If I just had somebody reminding me that I'm insane every hour, I would be fine.

I'm a creature of habit and my first response is always revenge or anger when I'm irritated with whomever I'm talking to.

So my response comes from my evil side before I can realize my insanity.

I've been thinking about getting a tattoo on my forehead written backwards saying, '' Your insane remember'', so that I could read it in the mirror every morning.

I just forget, that's all.

I just forget how to act in love everytime somebody Pises me off.

My first response is to slap back and it shouldn't be.

All I need is a constant reminder

Even though I do not know you and as a therapist I would say insanity is such a vague generalized term and it is more of a description the culture uses than a scientific diagnosis. I believe the old adage to be true, if you think you're crazy then you're not. People who have serious mental disorders often do not think they have a problem.

The fact that you recognize their is a problem is a positive sign that you're not crazy.

You sound like someone who really has a case of low self-esteem and much self-hatred.

I am a big advocate of support groups and therapy. I know a spiritually based 12 step support group called Emotions Anonymous (modeled after AA) which helps people who battle with emotional issues. Recovery is always an ongoing process but finding inner peace and serenity is possible.

[Gem]

Our God is an awesome God.
There are many ways to know that God is real through some of His creations. Here are just a few that I thought is interesting.

God's accuracy can be observed in many ways. for example.

1- The eggs of a potato bug hatch in 7 days;
2- The Canary in 14 days;
3-The barnyard hen in 21 days;
4-The ducks and geese in 28 days;
5-The mallard in 35 days;
6- the parrot, ostrich in 42 days.
( Notice they are all divisible by seven. )

God's wisdom is seen in the making of animals:

1- The elephant- The 4 legs of this great beast all bend forward in the same direction. No other quadruped is so made. God planed that this animal would have a huge body, to large to live on 2 legs. for this reason He gave it 4 fulcrums so that it can rise from the ground easily.

2- The horse rises from the ground on its 2 front legs first.
3- the cow rises from the ground on its 2 hind legs first.

God's wisdom is revealed in his arraignments of sections and segments, as well in the number of grains.

each watermelon has an even number of strips on the rind.
each orange has an even number of segments.
each ear of corn has an even number of rows.
each stalk of wheat has an even number of grains.
each bunch of bananas has on its lowest row an even number of bananas.and each row decreases by one, so that one row has an even number and the next row an odd number.

the waves of the sea roll in on shore.....26 to the minute in all kinds of weather.

All grains are found in even numbers on the stalks, and the Lord specified... 30fold, 60fold, 100fold... all even numbers.

I also believe that the Lord in His wonderful grace can arrange the life that is entrusted to His care in such a way that it will carry out His purpose and plans, and will be fragrant with His presence.

How wise the Lord is in all His works of creation !

[Jacob_Rising]

As a therapist I would say Jacob is suffering from depression with low self esteem and possibly what some have called Toxic shame which is a severe form of self-hatred. He internalized his mother's hatred and is directing it at himself.

The problem with blaming Satan is that Jacob can continue feeling like a victim and won't have to look inward at himself and see his role in his problems.My Mother never mistreated and she loved me and does love me more than anyone else in this world.

I asked nobody to try to tell me I'm a good guy because I don't want this to sound like a poor me thing.

I do have self hate and a low self esteem but that's the only good part of me.

The only thing wrong with the world is that everyone is insane, some more than others.

We are all born into a rotting evil minded insanity that lives in darkness instead of light.

It's when I act in love that the world thinks I'm insane.

When somebody walks up and slaps you as hard as they can for no reason, The sane response would be to offer up your other cheek.

The insane response is to get angry and slap back.

But the world would say your justified for slapping back.

The belief in Christianity should be viewed as insanity to the world.

If you came after me to harm me when I have done nothing nothing to you, I should allow it.

If you cut of my right arm and burned my house down and we both came to court, The sane thing would be to press charges, put you in jail and make you pay me restitution.

That's what's wrong with the whole world, There isn't enough forgiveness.

But law and order does need to reign in alot of cases, because justice is justice.

But if you cut my arm off and burned my house down, and I was sure that you weren't going to hurt anyone else like that.

I wouldn't bring charges against you and I would forgive you, Not only that, we would probably become friends.

That's insane to the world.

Revenge and restitution is the worlds biggest problem.

[Jacob_Rising]

Even though I do not know you and as a therapist I would say insanity is such a vague generalized term and it is more of a description the culture uses than a scientific diagnosis. I believe the old adage to be true, if you think you're crazy then you're not. People who have serious mental disorders often do not think they have a problem.

The fact that you recognize their is a problem is a positive sign that you're not crazy.

You sound like someone who really has a case of low self-esteem and much self-hatred.

I am a big advocate of support groups and therapy. I know a spiritually based 12 step support group called Emotions Anonymous (modeled after AA) which helps people who battle with emotional issues. Recovery is always an ongoing process but finding inner peace and serenity is possible.
First time I went to a therapist it was a team, I man and a woman, My wife made me go after a bad night.

All the talk in the world could not make the woman therapist understand anything but the man understood me right off.

The reason this was true is because the majority of women have no propencity to think as evil as the most gentle man does.

Let's say you and I run across each other at water world and you have a young 16 year old daughter.

We are standing in a line together and I happen to look over at your daughter for a brief few seconds.

You notice that I'm looking at her and then our eyes meet.

Do you look at me with disgust because I lusted after your 16 year old in her bathing suit?

You should but why?

Did I do anything in the least wrong?

Yes.

If you lined a thousand men up and watched all their eyes and everyone of them lusted for a brief few seconds, How many would admit that they did something wrong?

Probably none of them because people are blind to their own evil imaginations.

[Jacob_Rising]

Our God is an awesome God.
There are many ways to know that God is real through some of His creations. Here are just a few that I thought is interesting.

God's accuracy can be observed in many ways. for example.

1- The eggs of a potato bug hatch in 7 days;
2- The Canary in 14 days;
3-The barnyard hen in 21 days;
4-The ducks and geese in 28 days;
5-The mallard in 35 days;
6- the parrot, ostrich in 42 days.
( Notice they are all divisible by seven. )

God's wisdom is seen in the making of animals:

1- The elephant- The 4 legs of this great beast all bend forward in the same direction. No other quadruped is so made. God planed that this animal would have a huge body, to large to live on 2 legs. for this reason He gave it 4 fulcrums so that it can rise from the ground easily.

2- The horse rises from the ground on its 2 front legs first.
3- the cow rises from the ground on its 2 hind legs first.

God's wisdom is revealed in his arraignments of sections and segments, as well in the number of grains.

each watermelon has an even number of strips on the rind.
each orange has an even number of segments.
each ear of corn has an even number of rows.
each stalk of wheat has an even number of grains.
each bunch of bananas has on its lowest row an even number of bananas.and each row decreases by one, so that one row has an even number and the next row an odd number.

the waves of the sea roll in on shore.....26 to the minute in all kinds of weather.

All grains are found in even numbers on the stalks, and the Lord specified... 30fold, 60fold, 100fold... all even numbers.

I also believe that the Lord in His wonderful grace can arrange the life that is entrusted to His care in such a way that it will carry out His purpose and plans, and will be fragrant with His presence.

How wise the Lord is in all His works of creation !I love stuff like this, I can tell you the habits of most any insect or bird around me.

I love sparrows because they will chirp for all the other birds when they find food, But a grackel wont say a word while he's eating but he will bark at you demanding food, they are as selfish as a monkey.

You know how they catch monkeys?

They put a fruit inside of a pot with an opening just not big enough for the fruit to come out.

The monkey sticks his hand in the pot and grabs the fruit but he wont let it go no matter what.

A monkey is so selfish and greedy thinking everything belongs to him, They will steal everything they can get their hands on.

A monkey will watch a human walking up to capture him and he still wont let go of that fruit.

[Gem]

My Mother never mistreated and she loved me and does love me more than anyone else in this world.

I asked nobody to try to tell me I'm a good guy because I don't want this to sound like a poor me thing.

I do have self hate and a low self esteem but that's the only good part of me.

The only thing wrong with the world is that everyone is insane, some more than others.

We are all born into a rotting evil minded insanity that lives in darkness instead of light.

It's when I act in love that the world thinks I'm insane.

When somebody walks up and slaps you as hard as they can for no reason, The sane response would be to offer up your other cheek.

The insane response is to get angry and slap back.

But the world would say your justified for slapping back.

The belief in Christianity should be viewed as insanity to the world.

If you came after me to harm me when I have done nothing nothing to you, I should allow it.

If you cut of my right arm and burned my house down and we both came to court, The sane thing would be to press charges, put you in jail and make you pay me restitution.

That's what's wrong with the whole world, There isn't enough forgiveness.

But law and order does need to reign in alot of cases, because justice is justice.

But if you cut my arm off and burned my house down, and I was sure that you weren't going to hurt anyone else like that.

I wouldn't bring charges against you and I would forgive you, Not only that, we would probably become friends.

That's insane to the world.

Revenge and restitution is the worlds biggest problem.


I agree with you in that the world ( in which the Christians should have no part in the way the world thinks. ) do think we Christians are insane.

I have a daughter-in-law that says to me all the time, ( mom, you are crazy) she tells me that when I tell her things about God, when I witness to her of all the things God has done for me and my husband in 47 years of marriage.

But I do not let that bother me. we as Christians do not think as the world does, we think in and on the ways of God.

If I didn't then it would make it very hard to live every day.

For example, My younger son has been married for 11 years.
He and his wife have 2 beautiful children, boy and a girl.
the oldest one is almost 9 years old now.

My son had to work last Saturday, when he was at work one of his friends went over to his house to see my son. my son was not home.
But his friend caught his wife in his living room with another man.
My grand daughter answered the door and let him in and that's what he saw.

And to cap it of, the man that was with my sons wife was his best friend. and the mans wife was supposed to be my sons wife's best friend.

The friend that came to my sons house to see him asked his wife, are you going to tell Norman about this ? If you don't then I will.

She told my son about the afar she had been having with his best friend for a year behind his back.

My son lost it. he didn't hit his wife ,but he did hit the door with his fist and broke the door of its hinges and into when he hit it.
then he turned around and punched the wall and put a big hole in it , his fist went through the plaster, lath board, he was so angry.

He didn't tell my husband and I till yesterday about. It was my birthday on the 3rd and he didn't want to spoil it for me, so he kept all this to himself.

That young man is heart broken now, it just breaks my heart to see him like this. all I can do is pray that God will give him peace in his mind and his sole. He loved his wife more than anything.

she told him she was tired being married, after all those years. she was his high school sweet heart. My heart hurts with him in this thing. what else can a mother do ? nothing that I know of.

[lwdc]

If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God- Paul the Apostle
2 Corinthians 5:13

One of my favs.

[Gem]

I love stuff like this, I can tell you the habits of most any insect or bird around me.

I love sparrows because they will chirp for all the other birds when they find food, But a grackel wont say a word while he's eating but he will bark at you demanding food, they are as selfish as a monkey.

You know how they catch monkeys?

They put a fruit inside of a pot with an opening just not big enough for the fruit to come out.

The monkey sticks his hand in the pot and grabs the fruit but he wont let it go no matter what.

A monkey is so selfish and greedy thinking everything belongs to him, They will steal everything they can get their hands on.

A monkey will watch a human walking up to capture him and he still wont let go of that fruit.

I like stuff like this to Jacob. I find it very interesting.
I feed the little birds here in the winter time because it is so hard for them to find food in the winter. in the snow anyways.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Our God is an awesome God.



I really hate that song.

[Jacob_Rising]

I agree with you in that the world ( in which the Christians should have no part in the way the world thinks. ) do think we Christians are insane.

I have a daughter-in-law that says to me all the time, ( mom, you are crazy) she tells me that when I tell her things about God, when I witness to her of all the things God has done for me and my husband in 47 years of marriage.

But I do not let that bother me. we as Christians do not think as the world does, we think in and on the ways of God.

If I didn't then it would make it very hard to live every day.

For example, My younger son has been married for 11 years.
He and his wife have 2 beautiful children, boy and a girl.
the oldest one is almost 9 years old now.

My son had to work last Saturday, when he was at work one of his friends went over to his house to see my son. my son was not home.
But his friend caught his wife in his living room with another man.
My grand daughter answered the door and let him in and that's what he saw.

And to cap it of, the man that was with my sons wife was his best friend. and the mans wife was supposed to be my sons wife's best friend.

The friend that came to my sons house to see him asked his wife, are you going to tell Norman about this ? If you don't then I will.

She told my son about the afar she had been having with his best friend for a year behind his back.

My son lost it. he didn't hit his wife ,but he did hit the door with his fist and broke the door of its hinges and into when he hit it.
then he turned around and punched the wall and put a big hole in it , his fist went through the plaster, lath board, he was so angry.

He didn't tell my husband and I till yesterday about. It was my birthday on the 3rd and he didn't want to spoil it for me, so he kept all this to himself.

That young man is heart broken now, it just breaks my heart to see him like this. all I can do is pray that God will give him peace in his mind and his sole. He loved his wife more than anything.

she told him she was tired being married, after all those years. she was his high school sweet heart. My heart hurts with him in this thing. what else can a mother do ? nothing that I know of.Boy do I know what that's like and so does my mother.

I was married twice and it was the same story with both as it was for your son.

First time I went crazy for 3 years and I mean crazy.

Maybe it was in preperation for the second time:D

Didn't take me too long to get over that one.

So I have kids with two different women.

My daughter is 25 married divorced and now she's pregnant.

She has been living with her boyfriend since she was 12. She married him at 16 or 17 and then got divorced.

I've been paying 300 bucks a month child support on here for two decades and her mother wont even throw her 20 bucks of that money.

My daughter has recieved no benifits or money from her mother for over a decade.

I will say a prayer for your son because things are liable to get worse if they divorce.

But the most angry and hurt is not him, It's you.

It's a hard thing for a mother to see another woman treat her son like crap and not to be able to do anything about it.:pray:

It's a long hard road, I hope reconciliation is in the works because believe me, things can get much worse.

[Meriweather]

I really hate that song.

Why? And which song is your favorite hymn?

[Koushi Shinigami]

I love stuff like this, I can tell you the habits of most any insect or bird around me.

I love sparrows because they will chirp for all the other birds when they find food, But a grackel wont say a word while he's eating but he will bark at you demanding food, they are as selfish as a monkey.

You know how they catch monkeys?

They put a fruit inside of a pot with an opening just not big enough for the fruit to come out.

The monkey sticks his hand in the pot and grabs the fruit but he wont let it go no matter what.

A monkey is so selfish and greedy thinking everything belongs to him, They will steal everything they can get their hands on.

A monkey will watch a human walking up to capture him and he still wont let go of that fruit.


That's how they caught their first racoon in the book "Where the Red Fern Grows". After the racoon was caught, they clubbed it to death and then used the hide to train the dogs to chase racoons.

[lwdc]

i really hate that song.+1

[Gem]

I really hate that song.


Why ? I love that song, man I can really get happy with that song.

[Gem]

Boy do I know what that's like and so does my mother.

I was married twice and it was the same story with both as it was for your son.

First time I went crazy for 3 years and I mean crazy.

Maybe it was in preperation for the second time:D

Didn't take me too long to get over that one.

So I have kids with two different women.

My daughter is 25 married divorced and now she's pregnant.

She has been living with her boyfriend since she was 12. She married him at 16 or 17 and then got divorced.

I've been paying 300 bucks a month child support on here for two decades and her mother wont even throw her 20 bucks of that money.

My daughter has recieved no benifits or money from her mother for over a decade.

I will say a prayer for your son because things are liable to get worse if they divorce.

But the most angry and hurt is not him, It's you.

It's a hard thing for a mother to see another woman treat her son like crap and not to be able to do anything about it.:pray:

It's a long hard road, I hope reconciliation is in the works because believe me, things can get much worse.

Wow Jacob, no wonder you think you are insane.
I know it could really be a bad situation.

[Gem]

Looks like we are getting our first thunder storm of the season here now.
If it gets to bad I will get this comp off. I do not like lighting at all.

Seen to much harm that it can do .

[Jacob_Rising]

Wow Jacob, no wonder you think you are insane.
I know it could really be a bad situation.

There is only two paths in dealing with divorce.

One path is to feel victimized, and to hate the woman you had kids with for the rest of your life.

Hate or love, There are other paths but they are all intolerable and lead to hate and misery everytime.

I started cutting my wife's grass because she hated me and I hated her.

When I'm killing weeds and sweating at my exwife's house, it's not for her in the least.

I had to find a way to somehow love for her again and that was impossible.

Hate is a miserable way to live especially when it's your own family, I dealt with my hate by doing things for her but man it makes my Mom mad.

No matter what she does, She is family.

Just keep your perpective right now Gem, There isn't any worse hate in the world worse than divorce.

Your family has to find a way to love that girl or you and your son and their children will suffer because of it.

[Jacob_Rising]

Looks like we are getting our first thunder storm of the season here now.
If it gets to bad I will get this comp off. I do not like lighting at all.

Seen to much harm that it can do .I wished we were getting rain, They are talking about tornadoes right now though sweeping across indian and other places.

[Jacob_Rising]

That's how they caught their first racoon in the book "Where the Red Fern Grows". After the racoon was caught, they clubbed it to death and then used the hide to train the dogs to chase racoons.Coons are just like that, I had one walk up within 3 feet of me last week and started eating the catfood, O'll cat was hissing spraying , mad :D

Some racoons have a habit of wanting to wash food if they are around water.

Give them a sugar cube ten tens in a row and it will dissolve and they come back for another one.

They are weird animals.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Why? And which song is your favorite hymn?

Too bublegum.

Eagles Wings is a good one. Not really sure I can come up with a "favorite" right now.

[Gem]

There is only two paths in dealing with divorce.

One path is to feel victimized, and to hate the woman you had kids with for the rest of your life.

Hate or love, There are other paths but they are all intolerable and lead to hate and misery everytime.

I started cutting my wife's grass because she hated me and I hated her.

When I'm killing weeds and sweating at my exwife's house, it's not for her in the least.

I had to find a way to somehow love for her again and that was impossible.

Hate is a miserable way to live especially when it's your own family, I dealt with my hate by doing things for her but man it makes my Mom mad.

No matter what she does, She is family.

Just keep your perpective right now Gem, There isn't any worse hate in the world worse than divorce.

Your family has to find a way to love that girl or you and your son and their children will suffer because of it.

Oh I don't hate her. she has some personal problems I know that stays on her mind a lot. and i can understand that.

She had to have brain surgery a few years back . she has twisted blood vessels in her head. by them being twisted they made a big bubble of blood that was seeping out in her brain.

The doctors took care of the one but she had 3 of them.
they told her that one was so deep in her brain that if it started seeping blood out that it would kill her because they wouldn't be able to do surgery on it to help her because it was to deep in her brain.

I know she is worried about it. She wants me to raise her 2 children if anything happens to her. She does not want her mother to get her children. I told her I would if I was still living and able to raise them.

So, I understand she has an awful lot on her mind all the time.
I really feel bad for her . I tried to get her in church but to no avail. all I can do is pray for her.

[Jacob_Rising]

Why ? I love that song, man I can really get happy with that song.It used to be my favorite song, But I must confess that I do hate that song, It gives me the creeps.

It used to make me cry though.

[Gem]

I wished we were getting rain, They are talking about tornadoes right now though sweeping across indian and other places.

Ohio is the next state from Indian .

I live in Ohio. but the city I live in we never get any tornadoes.
sometimes we may get a little of the wind from them but nor much. in other cities close to Cincinnati gets tornadoes .
but we don't.

[Jacob_Rising]

Oh I don't hate her. she has some personal problems I know that stays on her mind a lot. and i can understand that.

She had to have brain surgery a few years back . she has twisted blood vessels in her head. by them being twisted they made a big bubble of blood that was seeping out in her brain.

The doctors took care of the one but she had 3 of them.
they told her that one was so deep in her brain that if it started seeping blood out that it would kill her because they wouldn't be able to do surgery on it to help her because it was to deep in her brain.

I know she is worried about it. She wants me to raise her 2 children if anything happens to her. She does not want her mother to get her children. I told her I would if I was still living and able to raise them.

So, I understand she has an awful lot on her mind all the time.
I really feel bad for her . I tried to get her in church but to no avail. all I can do is pray for her.I didn't figure you did hate her yet, I'm just saying you really have to keep perspective in the beginning of traumatizing events and this event is right up there at the top.

Once the train gets rolling you can't hardly stop it.

I lived with rage and hate for 15 years until I finally realized that I had to deal with it.

I sure hope things work out now and she comes to her senses and I hope your son has enough forgiveness to get past it.

It's not that hard to get past the infidelity if both parties are willing.

However it turns out, Don't let it make you guys miserable.

[Gem]

I didn't figure you did hate her yet, I'm just saying you really have to keep perspective in the beginning of traumatizing events and this event is right up there at the top.

Once the train gets rolling you can't hardly stop it.

I lived with rage and hate for 15 years until I finally realized that I had to deal with it.

I sure hope things work out now and she comes to her senses and I hope your son has enough forgiveness to get past it.

It's not that hard to get past the infidelity if both parties are willing.

However it turns out, Don't let it make you guys miserable.


I will remember that Jacob.